[Various] AMD Ryzen Reviews (Official)

[StyM]

http://i.imgur.com/FTEIak1.jpg

XS (chew)
Ryzen - Return of the Jedi (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5254423#post5254423)

Youtube
Ryzen Tech Talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UasmBgBLznw)
The AMD Ryzen™ Processor Ecosystem (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2AAx1Or6Pg)
Overclocking the AMD Ryzen™ Processor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRiWY1xiqFM)
AMD SenseMI Technology – Pure Power (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-zo82fDL6k)
AMD SenseMI Technology – Smart Prefetch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weu2BxbvOtE)

AMD RYZEN 7 REVIEW... WE DROP IT (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQEHNYE7M)
Helium - AMD Ryzen Gaming PC Build (2017) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enr7xqAUvUg)
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X Review: An i5 in Gaming, i7 in Production (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7UBHjtCXhU)
#0156 - Ryzen 1800x vs 5960x vs 7700k in the ultimate showdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0jQ_gUqtgI)
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X & 1700X Review: Live Up to The Hype? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW1pzcdZxKc)
The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Review: Now and Zen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-CnNPk0CI)
ZEN BENCHMARKS! Ryzen 7 1800X Review vs 6850K, 7700K & FX-8350 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXbOC_OyvG4)
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yk-izRf2Ro)
FIRST OFFICIAL Ryzen 7 1800X Benchmarks! Is AMD BACK? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cznxigESBo)
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Review - Finally, Competition! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7_1AQc6Xf8)
Ryzen 7 1700X: The new sweet spot CPU? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYjbVXkoC50)
AMD Ryzen 7 - Launch Review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sciuiEcrnzg)
RYZEN 1800X vs INTEL 6900K (1700X vs 6800K) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkI84ZWjARA)

AnandTech
The AMD Zen and Ryzen 7 Review: A Deep Dive on 1800X, 1700X and 1700 (http://www.anandtech.com/show/11170/the-amd-zen-and-ryzen-7-review-a-deep-dive-on-1800x-1700x-and-1700)

HardwareCanucks
The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Performance Review (http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/74814-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-performance-review.html)

Guru3D
A New Era Has Ryzen (https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-processor-review,1.html)
AMD Ryzen 7 1700X Review (http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review,1.html)

KitGuru
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review (http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu-review/)

Hexus
Review: AMD Ryzen 7 1800X (14nm Zen) (http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/)
Review: AMD Ryzen 7 1700X (14nm Zen) (http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/103078-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-14nm-zen/)

PcPer
The AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Review: Now and Zen (https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Review-Now-and-Zen)

ArsTechnica
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X review: Good, but not for gamers (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/amd-ryzen-review/)

Bit-tech
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X and AM4 Platform Review (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/03/02/amd-ryzen-1800x-and-am4-platform-review/1)

TweakTown
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review - Intel Battle Ready? (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8072/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu-review-intel-battle-ready/index.html)

HardwareZone
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X vs. Intel Core i7-7700K: Next-gen flagship CPU matchup! (http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/review-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-next-gen-flagship-cpu-matchup)

OC3D
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review (https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_ryzen_7_1800x_cpu_review/1)

TomsHardware
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU Review (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-cpu,4951.html)

GamersNexus
AMD Ryzen R7 1800X Review: An i5 in Gaming, i7 in Production (http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/2822-amd-ryzen-r7-1800x-review-premiere-blender-fps-benchmarks)

Legit Reviews
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 1700X and 1700 Processor Review (http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-and-1700-processor-review_191753/4)

TechSpot
AMD Ryzen Review: Ryzen 7 1800X & 1700X Put to the Test (http://www.techspot.com/review/1345-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/)

Phoronix
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X Linux Benchmarks (https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=1)

eTeknix
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X AM4 8-Core Processor Review (http://www.eteknix.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-am4-8-core-processor-review/)

ServeTheHome
AMD RYZEN 7 1700X LINUX BENCHMARKS (https://www.servethehome.com/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-linux-benchmarks/)

HardOCP
AMD Ryzen 1700X CPU Review (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/02/amd_ryzen_1700x_cpu_review)

HotHardware
AMD Ryzen 7 1800X, 1700X, And 1700 Review And Benchmarks: Zen Brings The Fight Back To Intel (http://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x-1700-benchmarks-and-review)

[FlanK3r]

thanks for updates!

[Ket]

I was right on the money opting for a 1700 to review, I knew nobody would be that interested in it just because it didn't have a "X" on the end of it :rolleyes: Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5 is still delayed because of Gigabyte falling behind (thanks for that Giga :rolleyes: ) but maybe thats a blessing in disguise, gives them a bit more time to churn out a extra UEFI or two prior to me starting to review it.

Now I can say something though, (just seen its 5pm here :D ) I will say at lower resolutions for gaming Ryzen isn't so hot, but I'm confident thats because of memory latency which should be addressed as UEFIs mature.

[AliG]

Seems about right. I found it suspicious that AMD only released benchmark data for a small set of tests, and now these confirm Ryzen has tons of raw compute - but the instruction logic needs to be refined for edge cases.

Curious to see how many people still keep their pre-orders after seeing this (I know of a few who already cancelled due to the game performance).

[Dimitriman]

I find the lower gaming performance weird compared to the rest of the tests. But in essence I see two problems: bad overclocking and too low clocks to compete in gaming. Both of these can be ironed out with new revisions and better process tweaking. This is a brand new arch and I remember even the old Athlons were not stellar at launch. This needs some time and AMD needs to get their quad/hex cores well beyond 4.0 Ghz to compete will with 7700k.

[Sparky]

Maybe it will help me feel better about not being able to upgrade right away anyway lol

[AliG]

I find the lower gaming performance weird compared to the rest of the tests. But in essence I see two problems: bad overclocking and too low clocks to compete in gaming. Both of these can be ironed out with new revisions and better process tweaking. This is a brand new arch and I remember even the old Athlons were not stellar at launch. This needs some time and AMD needs to get their quad/hex cores well beyond 4.0 Ghz to compete will with 7700k.

I think the gaming performance has a lot more to do with the memory latency and lack of bandwidth. Probably doesn't help too much that L1 cache isn't stellar either (though their L2 is rather impressive).

[Ket]

Seems about right. I found it suspicious that AMD only released benchmark data for a small set of tests, and now these confirm Ryzen has tons of raw compute - but the instruction logic needs to be refined for edge cases.

Curious to see how many people still keep their pre-orders after seeing this (I know of a few who already cancelled due to the game performance).

I'll be keeping my Zen system, I'm confident with UEFI maturity (lets be honest current UEFIs are still in beta stages) and some old fashioned thermal improvements to key areas on mainboards that 1700s and the 1800X will see around 4.3GHz which is very impressive for a Octacore. I'd still even hedge my bets on slightly higher clocks than that albeit with some actual tweaking on the manufacturing side of Zen. I've already got some specialist 10W/m-K thermal pads on their way so if overheating board components are a problem (they will be, stock pads are always crap) there won't be with the pads I'm going to use. I might even go insanity overkill and get some 1750W/m-K pads, those things are so good you basically don't need heat pipes or fans, assuming the heatsink design is at least competent and good quality.

[Metroid]

I was right on the money opting for a 1700 to review, I knew nobody would be that interested in it just because it didn't have a "X" on the end of it :rolleyes:

I was also in the 1700 groupie since the very beginning hehe


I find the lower gaming performance weird compared to the rest of the tests. But in essence I see two problems: bad overclocking and too low clocks to compete in gaming. Both of these can be ironed out with new revisions and better process tweaking. This is a brand new arch and I remember even the old Athlons were not stellar at launch. This needs some time and AMD needs to get their quad/hex cores well beyond 4.0 Ghz to compete will with 7700k.

I'm very certain that there are many things to improve, Ryzen 7 was kind rushed.

[chew*]

For the 6 core crowd the cheaper 65w is likely a good candidate as well.


Some of the lower game performance can be attributed possibly to what i said. better performance fixed vs dyanamic speeds. But i dont think that will help all games. Some like raw speed.

[Metroid]

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X-Review-Now-and-Zen/Clock-Clock-Ryzen-Broadwell-E-Kaby-Lake

a good clock for / per clock comparison, 1800x x 6900k both at 3.5ghz.

Well for gaming, Ryzen 1800x is not as good as 6900k but for almost all the others apps, Ryzen is better at fixed 3.5ghz, given the price, its a no brainer, so Ryzen 7 is the clear winner, now if Intel equalize 6900k price to x1800 then Intel wins the battle, so far Ryzen is much better overall. So my point is, for gaming buy a i7 7700, for everything else buy a Ryzen 7 1700.

[chew*]

Id like to see game tests done with core only on ryzen.

Smt off. If you game 16t is pointless. Thats exactly how i plan to use it.

I have no clue if it makes a difference but the chip 4c8t is not as fast as it is in 8c mode in MT.

I have no clue if it will gain any clock headroom either like that. Ran out of time.

There are many variables and ways to use it however.

[NEOAethyr]

On intel most of the time smt/ht is just fine, in some instances in linux it can hold you back a little bit, it's generally just scheduling issues.
I would use it with 16threads dude...
The more the better...
Gaming wise, 8t's are fine but if you wanna dl or something while gaming, even communicating in multiplayer, it could help a little.
I don't think it's generally gonna cut your perf in half.
If you wanna check that I would recommend the old call of duty's, they are all single threaded games.
Found that out big time when messing with 3d vision.
If you got say mw2 or even mw3, check with afterburner the cpu stuff and fps with smt on/off.
I'm not sure what other games I would recommend for single thread testing, mafia2 would be one but I don't know if it uses more then one core or not.
Farcry obviously not one to check with, but why not I guess.
Just check with whatever games you have and report back on what you eventually do :).

[Metroid]

Smt off. If you game 16t is pointless.

Yeah smt is pointless, so to rephrase, dont buy a 7700, buy a 7600k for gaming.

I'm trying to find a review with smt off, still no luck.

[xlink]

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/?page=9

However, and somewhat interesting to note, switching off the chip's SMT capability increased the average frame rate from 79fps to 85.8fps, suggesting that code is not running efficiently when there's SMT involved. Hopefully this problem will be fixed by a game-patch update.

Going back to SMT, switching it off also increases the Hitman score, from 91.4fps to 95.6fps, suggesting, once again, that having it active is definitely hindering performance. In fact, running Ryzen in non-SMT mode offers more performance in every scenario, and this is something that AMD needs to be concerned about.



There are some bugs still.

Regardless, this is a movement in the RIGHT direction. AMD is no longer "embarrassing" from a gaming perspective and is VERY competitive in other domains.
As threading gets better, and we're starting to get to that point, it'll do better and better in newer games relative to the 7700ks of the world. At the same time, older games run well enough and even if there isn't heavy threading it's "good enough" such that it isn't outclassed by a dual core i3.

Also all the AMD fanboys can now safely say bulldozer sucks.

I'm excited. I might wait a little bit before pulling the trigger though.

[AliG]

Also all the AMD fanboys can now safely say bulldozer sucks.


lol that made my day

[Metroid]

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/?page=9



There are some bugs still.

Regardless, this is a movement in the RIGHT direction. AMD is no longer "embarrassing" from a gaming perspective and is VERY competitive in other domains.
As threading gets better, and we're starting to get to that point, it'll do better and better in newer games relative to the 7700ks of the world. At the same time, older games run well enough and even if there isn't heavy threading it's "good enough" such that it isn't outclassed by a dual core i3.

Also all the AMD fanboys can now safely say bulldozer sucks.

I'm excited. I might wait a little bit before pulling the trigger though.

Thanks, in the Intel side it was the same on my old i7 920, smt off gave a performance boost in games and single threads apps. Not sure if that issue still on intel cpus after i7 920 as I did not test. I guess I will have to conduct few tests with the Ryzen 7 1700 concerning that. I mean to have smt turned off --> 8 cores as in 8 cores is amazing if given performance improves at least 5%.

[NEOAethyr]

@Metroid
Yeah it has a small effect on newer intel's, I believe it to be mostly a os scheduling issue.
Take windows for ex., there's times were it will lock on a single task, and make you wait on window handles and other interrupt types.
Been that way since we had dual cores, if you guys want better smt perf, it's not necessarily the games fault, but most likely the os.

It's something I've been watching for the last year on linux, it's still a mess really.
Windows doesn't generally bounce the threads around as much (losing context and cache by doing so).
But there's definitely times where it screws up because it's not a true multi tasking os.

5% is normal in my opinion, because that's probably about around what I've seen on my ivy-e.
What's more worth it?, %5 or 45%... (45% going for stuff like cinebench with smt on)

One issue on my intel though is if you hammer the crap out of the cpu, all threads, it'll stutter everything.
That was in windows though, haven't messed with that in linux, I generally try to stay around 80% max or so.
I noticed the other day my cpu usage wasn't that high when gaming so it's all good :) (I need a new vga card though so who knows).

[chew*]

Nope shutting smt off lowered tdp. They were using a stock setting right? Well lower tdp the chip will turbo up just fine all cores.

This is why i ignored all that turbo xfr dyanamic tdp and ran at a fixxed speed for testing.

But yes ipc in mt tasks when i compared cinebench 8c beat 4c/8t. I expected that.

No clue if carries over to games@ fixxed speeds but one can hope.

[Metroid]

@Metroid
Yeah it has a small effect on newer intel's, I believe it to be mostly a os scheduling issue.
Take windows for ex., there's times were it will lock on a single task, and make you wait on window handles and other interrupt types.
Been that way since we had dual cores, if you guys want better smt perf, it's not necessarily the games fault, but most likely the os.

It's something I've been watching for the last year on linux, it's still a mess really.
Windows doesn't generally bounce the threads around as much (losing context and cache by doing so).
But there's definitely times where it screws up because it's not a true multi tasking os.

5% is normal in my opinion, because that's probably about around what I've seen on my ivy-e.
What's more worth it?, %5 or 45%... (45% going for stuff like cinebench with smt on)

One issue on my intel though is if you hammer the crap out of the cpu, all threads, it'll stutter everything.
That was in windows though, haven't messed with that in linux, I generally try to stay around 80% max or so.
I noticed the other day my cpu usage wasn't that high when gaming so it's all good :) (I need a new vga card though so who knows).

Thanks for the info, when I conducted the tests, performance while smt was off was as much as 35% on Windows XP and as much as 8% on Windows 7 in 2009, Windows 10 was not around so probably the performance constraints might be less on Windows 10. Performance constraints was huge in the Windows XP as Windows XP was never really built for multi-threading. It supported and that was that.



This is why i ignored all that turbo xfr dyanamic tdp and ran at a fixxed speed for testing.

But yes ipc in mt tasks when i compared cinebench 8c beat 4c/8t. I expected that.

Exatcly, somehow is efficient, smt x the cpu raw cores is inefficient, however it gives perf boost with a lot more heating, for me the extra heating never justified the perf, Ryzen 7 1700 might overclock better with smt off. I wonder if somebody tested the overclock with smt off, in theory, less heat, more headroom for overclocking. Well that was what AMD stated about Ryzen. Ryzen 1700 with 8 cores, TDP at 65 watts with smt on is really incredible.

[KiSUAN]

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-7/impact-smt-ht.html

http://www.hardware.fr/getgraphimg.php?id=439&n=1

[StAndrew]

Seems about right. I found it suspicious that AMD only released benchmark data for a small set of tests, and now these confirm Ryzen has tons of raw compute - but the instruction logic needs to be refined for edge cases.

Curious to see how many people still keep their pre-orders after seeing this (I know of a few who already cancelled due to the game performance).
I wouldn't cancel my processor pre-order but I would cancel my moboard. I'm sure there will be much better offerings in the not too distant future. However, on the Anandtech review (IIRC) AMD already mentioned they are working on some short fall in the design and are coming out with a Re-Ryzen CPU... Yeah, I'll wait :p:

[xlink]

I wouldn't cancel my processor pre-order but I would cancel my moboard. I'm sure there will be much better offerings in the not too distant future. However, on the Anandtech review (IIRC) AMD already mentioned they are working on some short fall in the design and are coming out with a Re-Ryzen CPU... Yeah, I'll wait :p:


Saying that they're working on the next iteration of Ryzen isn't exactly surprising... that IS their main line of business.

[Metroid]

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-7/impact-smt-ht.html



Thanks, now all fits well. Ryzen team has something to fix. Intel 6900k arch is a lot more efficient with smt on.


I wouldn't cancel my processor pre-order but I would cancel my moboard. I'm sure there will be much better offerings in the not too distant future. However, on the Anandtech review (IIRC) AMD already mentioned they are working on some short fall in the design and are coming out with a Re-Ryzen CPU... Yeah, I'll wait :p:

I don't mind waiting as well, this performance degradation while smt is active/on should be top priority to be fixed on next Ryzen CPU's.

[StAndrew]

Saying that they're working on the next iteration of Ryzen isn't exactly surprising... that IS their main line of business.
But to admit there are some pretty critical improvements already identified and being worked on is pretty significant considering they mentioned this before NDA was even lifted...

Yes its too be expected given this is a very new architecture.

[Motiv]

isn't this the same problem Intel had with SMT in the beginning. Took them a year or two to sort out.

[StAndrew]

isn't this the same problem Intel had with SMT in the beginning. Took them a year or two to sort out.

I thought the issue with Intel's HT was the OS wasn't disseminating between HT and actual cores and double booking one core while another was dormant. The software fix to prioritize hardware cores over "HT" cores should work on AMD's hardware, no? It should be pretty easy to see if this is actually the case by observing the CPU utilization during light thread loads. If you observe a skewed load on one or two processors while the others are running at low utilization then software will probably need to be updated for AMD's SMT. Given the large disparity between different benchmarks, I have a feeling there is some optimization to be done on the software side to take advantage of AMD's architecture.

[Greg83]

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/?page=9
Also all the AMD fanboys can now safely say bulldozer sucks.

the only reference to bulldoser well vishera in all the reviews i saw in gaming, was linus of techtips, and that shown instead, at 4k gaming 8350 and everyone else, are hardly any different at all. and no one would notice. even with its pci-e 2.0 bottleneck.

making me sure of my choice, in my form of light gaming , web browsing. With goal being only end of system bottlenecks and feeling the lag, never frame rates and bullet candy. playing no first person shooters, only 4x and rts games. naples is the only thing that is gonna impress me, unless maybe zen+ is 16 cores already in 2018-2019.
Not that the benchmarks do not impress me.
But i guess in real world. to me bulldoser 8 interger units and 4 floating point units, was a real 8 core in my usages.
I still find my 8120 faster then my 8320. When i have not used the AMD patch to "fix" the issues in certain software, by using the same fpu twice for 2 threads.

[Ket]

I wouldn't cancel my processor pre-order but I would cancel my moboard. I'm sure there will be much better offerings in the not too distant future. However, on the Anandtech review (IIRC) AMD already mentioned they are working on some short fall in the design and are coming out with a Re-Ryzen CPU... Yeah, I'll wait :p:

Those improvements aren't exactly right around the corner, you won't see them until Zen+ which likely won't happen until mid-end 2018. Sure you can wait another 12-18 months? :p:

[chew*]

While i ran prime 95 and watched a live stream, on skype i ran cinebench. Not only did it barely impact results. There was not one hiccup in the video stream. I was on a crappy netgear usb wireless stick.

Anyway thats something you have to experience in person to grasp. I think back when amd showed a gamer running a livestream on same system he was gaming on they were trying to show this.

I took it to extremes and tbh while it was running had i installed steam i probably would have been playing a game np whatsoever.

[KiSUAN]

I thought the issue with Intel's HT was the OS wasn't disseminating between HT and actual cores and double booking one core while another was dormant. The software fix to prioritize hardware cores over "HT" cores should work on AMD's hardware, no? It should be pretty easy to see if this is actually the case by observing the CPU utilization during light thread loads. If you observe a skewed load on one or two processors while the others are running at low utilization then software will probably need to be updated for AMD's SMT. Given the large disparity between different benchmarks, I have a feeling there is some optimization to be done on the software side to take advantage of AMD's architecture.

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/?st=izt59mlv&sh=b217adad


Why there is huge discrepancy is gaming benchmarks for reviewers today? Is this something related to BIOS update?

Early motherboard BIOSes were certainly troubled: disabling unrelated features would turn off cores. Setting memory overclocks on some motherboards would disable boost. Some BIOS revisions would plain produce universally suppressed performance.

Ryzen benefits from disabling High Precision Event Timers (HPET). The timer resolution of HPET can cause an observer effect that can subtract performance. This is a BIOS option, or a function that can be disabled from the Windows command shell.

Ryzen benefits from enabling the High Performance power profile. This overrides core parking. Eventually we will have a driver that allows people to stay on balanced and disable core parking anyways. Gamers have been doing this for a while, too.

There are some games that are using code optimized for our competitor... we are confident that we can work through these issues with the game developers who are actively engaging with our engineering teams, this is strictly CPU scheduling within the game.

[StAndrew]

Those improvements aren't exactly right around the corner, you won't see them until Zen+ which likely won't happen until mid-end 2018. Sure you can wait another 12-18 months? :p:

Haha, I JUST "upgraded" to a used i7 980x. If I buy a Ryzen, it will be the first new and up to date piece of hardware I've purchased since I bought a Conroe X6800 and some 9800 GTX's. From there it was an i7 975 and some GTX285's (all used). My sig is my latest "update." I can wait for 12-18 months :D

[AliG]

Haha, I JUST "upgraded" to a used i7 980x. If I buy a Ryzen, it will be the first new and up to date piece of hardware I've purchased since I bought a Conroe X6800 and some 9800 GTX's. From there it was an i7 975 and some GTX285's (all used). My sig is my latest "update." I can wait for 12-18 months :D

Haha I was running an AM2 Athlon x2 4000 for years before I finally succumbed and bought a 2500k. Ran on a ATI 4850 for years as well until I "upgraded" to a used R9 280X LOL.

Thankfully, becoming an "adult" and having a "job" with "responsibility" has made it easier to not worry about playing the latest games :D.

[NEOAethyr]

In the review Linus did he said he couldn't get past 2666:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJQEHNYE7M

I thought the review on Paul's hardware was decent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXbOC_OyvG4


I can't load some of the pages from this review:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-1800x-linux&num=1

However I can get access to some of the info from here:
http://openbenchmarking.org/system/1703021-RI-AMDZEN08075/Ryzen%207%201800X
Not much really...

In the forums there's some talk about smt and bios issues.
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/935508-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-linux-benchmarks

The gigabyte auros or whatever it's called supposedly the acpi tables are causing linux not to boot.
Also the audio chip isn't supported in the current repo'd kernel, you have to build your own.
It's in v4.11, just not in the repo yet, I think ubuntu variants of 17.04 get 4.10 if I remember right.
Just so people know when they goto plug in there usb stick or dvd with linux on it.
It can be done, however it will be a little easier in a month or so.
I haven't checked the repo in a while, I haven't updated to 4.10 yet becauase I didn't feel like setting up grub again and adding a patch for exfat to build with it (I'm just lazy).
(Hmm I'm not seeing 4.10 in my repo..., I'm on 14.04 though)

And as for smt...
It could be scheduling software, or the sse/avx implementation maybe that accounts for the gaming perf.
That's what I'm thinking.

Edit:
Oh and no sensors in aida I heard, and nor linux yet.

One more edit:
Huh?!
http://openbenchmarking.org/system/1703021-RI-AMDZEN08075/Ryzen%207%201800X/scaling_available_frequencies
This can't be right... (There's only 3 base freq steppings...)

[BenchZowner]

From https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/?st=izt59mlv&sh=b217adad

HPET is disabled in Win10 by default...

[NEOAethyr]

Some random bcdedit cmd's for win7-win10'ish.

Helps for win8-10 for getting more consistent dpc latency, there's a similar kernel setup in linux called no hz (ie tickless).
bcdedit /set {current} disabledynamictick yes

You probably want a tick, a constant clock...

This enabled hpet, if you wanted to force it disabled then it would be false, or off possibly might work too.
bcdedit /set {current} useplatformclock true
I recommend it ON..., hpet is a fast timer... ^^, it's called high perf for a reason.. (Edit: duh it stands for precision not perf lol...)
It will get you lower dpc latency with it ON... ^^

Never execute blah blah
bcdedit /set {current} nx AlwaysOff

PAE 48bit addressing...
bcdedit /set {current} pae ForceEnable

This is the std for userspace/kernal space (ignore the kernel warning crap from the msdn)
bcdedit /set {current} IncreaseUserVa 4096
This is if you had 8gig in your system and you want your app to beable to use all of it:
bcdedit /set {current} IncreaseUserVa 8192
However there's also limits on apps, large address aware I think, it needs to be enabled in the admin security policies or something I forget (Edit: this one was lock memory pages I think), and lots of apps need patching blah blah (Edit: lol there could be a patch for this for windows it's self in theory since there is a patch for wine...).
Windows is kinda lame in that respect.
Lol, just ignore what I just posted lol, seriously... :\

Some other options that don't actually work I think lol (It'll say success but not have any effect):
bcdedit /set {current} loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS
bcdedit /set {current} nointegritychecks yes

Other misc ones:
enable avx
bcdedit /set {current} xsavedisable 0

disable avx
bcdedit /set xsavedisable 1

...
bcdedit /set {current} kernel ntkr128g.exe

bcdedit /set {current} quietboot on
bcdedit /set {current} quietboot off

bcdedit /set {current} bootmenupolicy legacy
bcdedit /set {current} bootmenupolicy standard


Anyways to the point...
Hpet should be on.
Core parking should be off.
If you want to take a 50% hit on mt and want a measly 5% improvement in gaming perf, disable smt.

In the power management settings in windows.
Set the min perf lv to 0%, and max to 100% and apply that, use a custom power profile baised on perf.
Windows even has this prob on my board/cpu, without changing power management for min and max cpu, I get a huge lose in perf in some areas.

Also, if your seriously gonna use win10 ^^, disable dynamic tick, it does help a little, it's just that you'll never get the low dpc latency of win7, and in that sense, win7 will never get the dpc latency of winxp... ^^

Some people are so confused over hpet, there's whole threads on why you should disable it lmao.
It's a faster tick then any other timer in the system lol.

Edit:
Looks like TastyPC is making vids again, here's another video for you guys :):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2brYnTGTSR8

[Andi64]

There is a Patch for Wine because Wine is an aplication. And you are recommending to mess with Windows memory management without knowing how it works (that as far as I know will apply only on 32bit aplications based on your recommendations). If I'm not mistaken, Windows has 8TB (terabytes) of user Virtual Address Space on Windows 64b.

If you have 8GB RAM and set the User Space or Virtual Address Space or whatever you wanna call it to 8GB, how much RAM do you reserve for Kernel space? Anyway, it is impossible to increase it to 8GB. "IncreaseUserVa" is a Windows 32b only value, and can be between 2GB and 3GB MAX (and will set 1GB remaining for Kernel space).

PAE on 64-bit Windows does not exist. Period.

Please, try to avoid throwing numbers and recommendations that you dont understand and can cause problems to an unexperienced user.

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBf0lwikXyU

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_6rs9cBzvE&t=992s

[NEOAethyr]

There is a Patch for Wine because Wine is an aplication. And you are recommending to mess with Windows memory management without knowing how it works (that as far as I know will apply only on 32bit aplications based on your recommendations). If I'm not mistaken, Windows has 8TB (terabytes) of user Virtual Address Space on Windows 64b.

If you have 8GB RAM and set the User Space or Virtual Address Space or whatever you wanna call it to 8GB, how much RAM do you reserve for Kernel space? Anyway, it is impossible to increase it to 8GB. "IncreaseUserVa" is a Windows 32b only value, and can be between 2GB and 3GB MAX (and will set 1GB remaining for Kernel space).

PAE on 64-bit Windows does not exist. Period.

Please, try to avoid throwing numbers and recommendations that you dont understand and can cause problems to an unexperienced user.

Patch wine, is not an app, it's the HAL... (Edit: sorry it was the kernel: https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=53156&action=edit )
And for 2 I told you to ignore that crap I posted...
For 3, it works on 64bit just as well as 32bit it's only 2 gb diff in config for user space.
And for 4, again told ya to ignore that section, it was mainly about hpet and dynamic tick since people starting bringing it up.

;; Edit:
There are 32bit apps that you run on 64bit windows you know right?
Directshow maybe... ^^ (not everything is 64bit good to go...)
And you do realize that there's tons of apps that don't use squat for ram and keep swapping for no reason?
This helped with my final decision of swap..., why bother swapping out when I'm just gonna read it from the drive again anyways? (Other then having low amounts of physical ram, like a vm and compiling with it or video editing or something)
Also, pae does too exist on 64bit lol, otherwise you wouldn't beable to access more then 3.5/4gb, it's the same exact thing that 32bit os'es "can" use to get access to all that ram...



I'm am so ticked off at amd.
I made a fool of myself promoting that pos.
There should class action lawsuit, for them lying about the l2 and l3 cache sizes, and for not giving us the spec for the interconnect, the darned chip is out and those specs are still unavail.
I'm so pissed off, I wanted this to work, but amd just had to design another freaking fail arc.
Now I gotta make a freaking phone call and warn people about this garbage :(.
Smt fail, not just in the normal way, but in a colossal way.
I wouldn't buy this crap for $100 now, I wouldn't even get it for my brother that's on a 1090t.
Why even bother with workstation cpu when it can't handle workstation loads (64 f'ing bit mother *...)

That's my 2 cents, and it's the last time I'm gonna post about this pos.
Amd, shove it.

Edit:
Sorry guys for going off the deep end for a bit.
Just I was up all night with a buddy discussing this.
I'm just disappointment that's all, I never expected a separate l3 cache on an interconnect fabric thing, with no bit rate specs.
Supposedly it's locked to 1/2 of the mem clock.
I knew avx might not be as good as intel, but this is just something else.
Amd will have to invest money on scheduler updates to keep code running in a single ccx.
And maybe invest code in general scheduler improvements as well.

This modular design was the cheap way to go in my opinion, great for business maybe but I think it was a mistake and after all this time..., that's why I went off an a rant :\.

[Monstru]

Ok, Ok, I know... the language is Klingon...but the graphs are universal and with english subtitles... so...

7350K vs 7600K vs 7700K vs 6800K vs 6900K vs 6950X vs 1800X (http://lab501.ro/featured-articles/review-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-welcome-back-amd)


7700K vs 6800K vs 6900K vs 1700 vs 1700X vs 1800X vs 1700 OC'ed + Gaming comparison in UHS, WQHD and Full HD (http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/review-amd-ryzen-7-1700-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-cpu-gaming)

[chispy]

Ok, Ok, I know... the language is Klingon...but the graphs are universal and with english subtitles... so...

7350K vs 7600K vs 7700K vs 6800K vs 6900K vs 6950X vs 1800X (http://lab501.ro/featured-articles/review-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-welcome-back-amd)


7700K vs 6800K vs 6900K vs 1700 vs 1700X vs 1800X vs 1700 OC'ed + Gaming comparison in UHS, WQHD and Full HD (http://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/review-amd-ryzen-7-1700-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-cpu-gaming)

Nice , well written articles Monstru. Great to see you back :)

[JAWS]

Maybe it will help me feel better about not being able to upgrade right away anyway lol

I feel the same way. Leave it to AMD to release a brand new product (that competes) when I have no money.

[techjesse]

AMD is back :D Now chew can start benching :up: YEAH!

[Monstru]

Nice , well written articles Monstru. Great to see you back :)

Thx brother!

[alpha0ne]

Ok, Ok, I know... the language is Klingon...but the graphs are universal and with english subtitles... so...


Thanks Monstru for the Klingon Ryzen review and especially for Adobe Photoshop CC 2017 which is the only bench I'm interested in these days :up:

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOXjao4QIqs

[StyM]

Premiere Pro CC 2017 AMD Ryzen 7 1700X & 1800X Performance (https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/)

[Monstru]

Thanks Monstru for the Klingon Ryzen review and especially for Adobe Photoshop CC 2017 which is the only bench I'm interested in these days :up:

Thx man!

[chew*]

AMD is back :D Now chew can start benching :up: YEAH!

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Coming%20soon2_zpsowtfxzwj.jpg

Is it me or do her boo err I mean shirt say chew* forever :rofl: I did not photo shop that lol...

After a learning curve and some preparations I think we will be seeing some of this again

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Coming%20soon_zpsmxolbj45.jpg

[dasa]

https://forums.bistudio.com/topic/202527-we-need-amd-ryzen-benchmarks-share-your-toughts/
2400 14-16-16 rest are at 16-16-16
~8% improvement not bad considering the sub timings get all nasty over 2400
http://i.imgur.com/gv1um51.png
https://www.io-tech.fi/artikkelit/ylikellotustesti-ilmalla-ryzen-7-1800x-1700x/#4

[NEOAethyr]

Here's a delid run:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_-Q5QzRqg

[chew*]

We went through this with deneb/thuban 5 years ago.

We even chopped cpu pots to clear the socket and run on ln2...gains were pitiful.

We found an easy way to do it to. We machined the lids off. 100% survival rates that way.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2008-02/thm80_mount%201_zps2njj9rm4.jpg

We had it down to a science. Never bothered sharing it since it was an epic fail. Theres alot of stuff we did behind the scenes.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170305_225809_zps9bc4zvvs.jpg

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-mMBbWHrwM

[chew*]

Someone who looks at the total aspect with reason like myself. I'm looking at the big picture not just gaming because that's what I need.

Like in his setup i'm running dual cards.

[ZenEffect]

fps scaling with memory is interesting. It would appear that the 2nd and 3rd timings are way too lax. hopefully those tuning options will be opened up in the near future as it could turn around the platform for gamers as well as educate them in what real tuning is about.

[AliG]

Someone who looks at the total aspect with reason like myself. I'm looking at the big picture not just gaming because that's what I need.

Like in his setup i'm running dual cards.

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

[chew*]

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

Yah he said for $500 and while he has to quote stock parts I don't and do not run stock. $329 sounds even better.

I have all 3 like I stated I reviewed the one I felt fit us the best.

I actually called AMD and told them that I was not going to recommend or review 1700x or 1800x. They said do as you please Brian. Wish all vendors responded like that.

[vario]

It seems the 1700 is rounding out to be a great bang for buck buy - assuming you use applications that utilize all 8 cores.

I don't think the average user would notice the gaming dropoff, but you would certainly feel the video encoding differences.

Truth is you need something along the lines of 1080 to see any differences.
But even then, people are most likely to just up the gfx settings , and you hit gfx ceiling again.
TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

[AliG]

Truth is you need something along the lines of 1080 to see any differences.
But even then, people are most likely to just up the gfx settings , and you hit gfx ceiling again.
TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

I want to see what Windows and bios optimizations bring to the table first. I really don't need to upgrade right now, but do like the idea of going octo-core.

If 3-4 months down the line we see the silicon has slightly improved and general optimizations are being made, I'll probably pull the trigger on a 1700. Otherwise, I really have no incentive to not wait on Cannon Lake/Zen+.

[chew*]

I want to see what Windows and bios optimizations bring to the table first. I really don't need to upgrade right now, but do like the idea of going octo-core.

If 3-4 months down the line we see the silicon has slightly improved and general optimizations are being made, I'll probably pull the trigger on a 1700. Otherwise, I really have no incentive to not wait on Cannon Lake/Zen+.

Least with AMD you know socket = same for at least 4 years.

[MattiasNYC]

TBH i only see 2 groups of people that MAY need skip ryzen, competetive gamers that need constant 144fps, or SLI guys.
All this "gaming performance" difference boils down to using such settings most people doesnt use, and not optimizing ryzen rigs.
I mean with my 5820K i encode dvds and play games at the same time, and mostly its unnoticable.Ryzen is just going to be better at such things.
I only have one thing against ryzen, memory latency.Theres something just wrong there.But, just install 3200mhz cas 14 ,and the "issue" is like half solved.

Well, for content creators of audio the latency issue can be an actual bottleneck in some cases, and for content creators of video the issue becomes that of the AM4 platform as a whole. More lanes, 256-bit AVX2 and Thunderbolt 3 may be hard to compete with, despite the price difference.

[AliG]

Least with AMD you know socket = same for at least 4 years.

lol Intel may give you 4 months - if you're lucky :ROTF:

[vario]

Well, for content creators of audio the latency issue can be an actual bottleneck in some cases, and for content creators of video the issue becomes that of the AM4 platform as a whole. More lanes, 256-bit AVX2 and Thunderbolt 3 may be hard to compete with, despite the price difference.

Well, it CAN be, but im pretty sure for most it wont be. But if someone really needs all the bells and whistles of full x99 platform with 6900K at least, yes, amd doesnt have competition and thats a bit disappointing, i was hoping for more pcie lanes coming from chipset, thats a segment they could do better. But maybe there will be workstation version of naples 1P, ive read about voltage/performance scaling of zen and 140W chip with with a abse clock around 3,5 and 16 cores should be feasible.It would bring 4 channel memory support also.
AVX2 is mostly a non issue , amd is able to do it albeit somewhat slower per clock than intel, but amd has more cores so it evens out.And where it is used exactly ?
Thunderbolt, arent there pcie cards for it ?

[MattiasNYC]

Well, again though, I'm referring not just to content creators, but to sub-sets of content creators. For audio it's a pretty darn narrow group.

For video/vfx however it's a bit of a different issue. I think the Thunderbolt issue has mostly "tradeoff" implications when it comes to running it off of PCIe. In other words, if you run it off of PCIe then that's one slot fewer, whereas if the platform has enough lanes and a built in interface you lose 'nothing'. And people doing video editing / color grading want to move from having to transcode media in order to work on it to working more closely to original/final resolution. In other words; there's a desire to film in 4k, edit and do vfx in 4k, and then output to 4k. Today many people are still capturing in 4k but then transcode to intermediate formats that are less taxing on the system and then do a final render at full quality. And so this requires a bunch of very fast video cards that eat up lanes, in conjunction with fast drives that also eat up resources.

My intention is to upgrade my system to one mainly for audio post and then start working on video a bit to see how it is and see if I want to branch out. So for me it is certainly a workable solution to use a Ryzen because it'll cover my audio needs and also allow me to begin doing video. But I think that if I was to end up doing video I would likely need an x99 system.

I too hope that AMD could churn out a chip that was more flexible in terms of workloads for workstations. I think right now that the 1800X is really impressive for the money, and so is the 1700 (which is probably what I'll get), but they do have some limitations in terms of tradeoffs. Naples might provide some added bonuses, like possibly performing really well in server farms for higher-end visual effects setups (think Avengers-level productions), and a workstation chip based on that might be very interesting indeed. The main question would be what speeds it would be able to run at.

[FlanK3r]

Look at this, still bad in Gaming? I dont think so...And as Brian said, gaming is not everything :) Maybe for "15 years old boys" (Im sorry for these sentence)

http://www.zolkorn.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-mhz-by-mhz-core-by-core/

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58SQ0CgkEA4

[ZenEffect]

hmmm nobody benching the civ games? seems fishy as that is where ryzen should really shine.

[dasa]

hmmm nobody benching the civ games? seems fishy as that is where ryzen should really shine.

1 this one is interesting its showing a improvement to min fps from smt in a few games
http://www.techspot.com/review/1348-amd-ryzen-gaming-performance/
2
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-19/jeux-3d-civilization-vi-total-war-warhammer.html
3
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=7&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://pclab.pl/art72996-30.html&usg=ALkJrhj5K_nMg2N243KUjWZs3beC6n3gzg
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/mbrzostek/amd_zen/r7_1800x/wykresy/oc_nv_civ6_dx12.png

[vario]

1 this one is interesting its showing a improvement to min fps from smt in a few games
....

As for min cpu, im seeing this kinda thing
http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/stilgarus/2017/luty/For%20Honor/wykresy/forhonor4CPU.png
techspot review shows it too, seems like somewhat properly configured ryzen systems (give it fast memory!) have a tendency to more fluid performance, less variance.

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfv5aF_GfWg

[StyM]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64AmlVIosAI