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chew*

03-02-2017, 03:43 AM

First lets discuss the name choice for this thread.

AMD has a long history k7 duron tbird athlon you know the models. That said and the era up to socket 754 would be episodes 1 and 2.

Socket 939 would take place in episode 3. Meanwhile as we all know the the emperor had a nasty plan. Its been dredged up from the past and discussed in the news section. The end of episode 3 would be core 2 duo launches.

Star wars ( episode 4 ) would take place during phenom 2 deneb thuban.

Sandybridge launch up until today would be episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back.

AMD launches RYZEN ( episode 6 Return of the Jedi ).
A competitive mainstream chip that is competitive in the real world, not just at ridiculously clocked speeds under ln2.

As we all know now episode 6 was just a battle that was won and not the war. The saga will continue lets see if it holds to that story line or not.
Enough of my inner geek lets move on.

What is Ryzen?

Ryzen is an intelligent chip that overclocks itself dyanamically by tdp. What that means for the mainstream is they don't need to do countless hours of testing, read forums, fumble around in a bios that they have no clue what settings actually do. Eventually they end up copying someone elses settings and crash because silicon is not equal.

What does that mean for Enthusiasts?

It means we need to see if AMD left any breadcrumbs or any performance on the board that we can squeeze out of the chip since we usually ignore and exceed TDP anyway.
Luckily that is the case. There is a breadcrumb trail and there are ways to get better performance.

The breadcrumb trail is there model list and TDP ratings. 65w 8c/16t (low leakage) 95w 8c/16t (high leakage).

To further confirm this a trait of low leakage is cooler chip. Higher leakage hotter chip.

At the identical voltage both the 1700x and 1800x are 20c hotter than the 65w 1700 at also the same voltage in my persosnal testing.

You guys may rememember TWKR that they sent out to ln2 overclockers? Failed TDP high leakage chips that ran HOT.

Another supporting factor is the LN2 results done inhouse by AMD. 1800x.

Lower leakage = better air water. Higher leakage = extreme cooling

Conclusion : Enthusiasts will most likely do best playing the silicon lottery in the 1700 flavor and or the lower tdp of the scale per core count if 6 4 or 2 is your flavor.

Use the $170 USD saved to get yourself some nice memory and some other stuff.

Performance left on the table.

First i need to explain how AMD's turbo works. Its not a typical fixed speed you ramp up to. Its dyanamic and TDP based. The higher the workload the less consistant speed it will maintain. You will see frequencies bouncing around. On top of that you will randomly see a peak frequency kick from one core to another (XFR). XFR works great in a single threaded task it will shoot right up and maintain a solid speed.

As an enthusiast dyanamic turbo and XFR is not for me but xfr can be usefull to us. It can put us in the ballpark range of what voltage our chip is going to like for 24/7 stability. Run the chip stock load cinebench, run, monitor peak voltage. Do it a few times. I saw my 1800x shoot up to 1.50v max. It likes 1.475 prime 95 stable.

Why would i do this?

As is stated while AMD may be better at ocing our chips than us we are always looking for performance. I noticed rather quickly that if i ran cinebench stock and if i ran it at 4.0 across the board 8c/16t I was beating AMD's dyanamic turbo and XFR scores in cinebench.

That said I am an enthusiast and as an enthusiast I reviewed the chip the way I would run my gaming rig 24/7.

I chose to use the 1700 as i feel it offers the best value and the best ocability on air water over stock speed. Reports floating around seem to be confirming this.

Quick look at Ryzen Master. Not much to say its software overclocking. I guess if i had time i could have checked to see if I had any better cores maybe one or a few can go a tad higher. Multiplier Increments per core are .25 which is usefull considering .25 can make a difference between prime stable and not on thses chips. Would prefer to have this option in bios though. I only use stuff like this when chasing high clocks on ln2 so i dont have to boot at high speeds which could unecessarily load chip possibly killing board and cpu.

As we can see these are my IDLE temps and clocks I will be using for the entire report.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Rzen%201700%20Idle%20temps%20OC_zps070dpwx8.jpg

Not the best of conditions to test in but I tore the lab apart 6 months ago after waiting for AMD for 4.5 years and shipped it home with a buddy to remodel.
I did not think this day was going to come.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170227_122257_zpsldzgir3y.jpg

For those of you that remember me. Yes the trackball lives.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170227_122607_zpsujvxjvt0.jpg

Take note that there is a fan on the PWM section and the shroud is removed. I will discuss this motherboard and other vendors boards later in this thread.
This is a cpu review and it my responsibilty as a enthusiast and Professional Overclocker to know and solve any issues my hardware may be causing to hinder the review.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170227_122629_zpsdgv3okhf.jpg

Anyone can throw clocks up run a few benches and call it stable. Its preety misleading so I usually take the time to run and show stability and temps while stress testing and the conditions I am testing in. Antartica outside in winter anyone? You get the idea. It's 74F in the house my wife likes it warm.

Prime 95 2hours in temp readings, I think now you can start to see one of the limitations. Oddly enough heat out of the heatsink feels like 40-45c. My 290x's in crossfire on water dump 50C loaded after a few hours. I'm very familiar with what the temp feels like. This feels cooler.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/3990%201700%20prime%20stable%202h%20temps_zpsqawja ewu.jpg

Prime 95 4 hours in. I decided to run some cinebench, watch the AMD stream and post on forums just to really make sure the speed was rock solid stable.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/3990%201700%20prime%20stable%204h_zpsle7jkfrx.jpg

Prime 95 18 hours stable. Usually I run 24h but with the PWM being a big concern I did not want to wake up to a house fire so i killed system to get some sleep as i was way behind and had no results yet with the 1700. Needless to say I think we can call this preety stable.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/3990%201700%20prime%20stable%2018h_zpsjev65coo.jpg

System specs for all tests.

Ancient PC power and cooling 1200w single rail 100 amp PSU. ( i tested multi rail no gains no loss fan died swapped it out, fury X does 10 mhz more on single rail, cpu 0mhz )
Sapphire R9 Fury X ( latest official driver)
Gigabyte x370 gaming 5 ( Modified for fire prevention )
Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 heatsink and fan ( I felt that if it came in reviewers box and it fit use it, water would have been a tad misleading for air guys...maybe )
Kingston something or other V1 ancient 120g ssd
Gskill 2x8g PC3200 14-14-14-34 1T XMP loaded
WIN 10 64bit non activated non tweaked. ( ok so I downloaded a skin to make it look like win 7. sorry new OS was confusing )

I have not gotten to actual game tests due to time restrictions however I ran a full 3dmark suite down to 03. Some of those old tests the GT's are very sensitive to IPC and clock speed not to mention lower resolutions tend to be less gpu dependant which those older tests run in by default. All screenshots have GT's in the picture and we will reference them as the testing continues. This will be an ongoing report When I have time to dismantle the water loop and install steam and windows 10 on the sandy bridge for the comparison. My fury X does not throttle stock with fanspeed up so the tests should be consistant.

Benchmarks

Synthetics

AIDA 64 memory. Keep in mind I kept getting a warning so an update may be necessary. I had latest version.
I am not an expert at analyzing scores in AIDA so im just gonna post them up.
Quick memory and cpu test
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20M_zpsbhpljgz3.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20C_zpsi4ufbmab.jpg

FPU
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FPU%20sinJulia_zps5fhscmwt.jp g
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FPU%20Mandel_zpsd8qx0vsb.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FPU%20VP8_zpsmsjlide8.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FPU%20Julia_zpssvbgadaw.jpg

Ray tracing
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FP64%20Ray-trace_zpslcyahtby.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20FP32%20Ray-trace_zpsnbdxalr4.jpg

CPU zlib
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20cpu%20zlib_zps40wsfbos.jpg

Cpu queen
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20Cpu%20Queen_zps05lxggnc.jpg

Cpu photo worx
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20CPU%20photo%20worxx_zpsnnxfdt ok.jpg

Cpu hash
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20cpu%20hash_zpsoc9rxz3v.jpg

CPu Aes
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Aida64%20cpu%20aes_zpsfe6bftmm.jpg

Sisoft Sandra

Image processing. This one was cool. The result ranked #9 although I did not submit it due to NDA. I was smart enough to kill my internet when i ran it unlike others.
Top spot is held by a 4.6 5960x and this score was hanging out with 4.2 gig chips. Im sure if I got this chip cold I could beat it and at less speed :)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20image%20processing_zpsxapka0ax.jpg

Cryptography
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20cryptography_zpscztkeikq.jpg

Processor multimedia
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20processor%20multi%20media_zpsxyx5ckfp.jpg

Processor arithmetic
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20processor%20arithmetic_zpsatcadqkk.jpg

Processor multi processor effeciency
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20processor%20multi%20core%20effeciency_zps oyyitnm6.jpg

Processor finacial analysis
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20processor%20financial%20analysis_zpsxhzuj 8k3.jpg

Processor scientific analysis
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/sandra%20processor%20scientific%20analysis_zps06eq 0018.jpg

Ok so in synthetics Ryzen looks really good. In sandra we saw it trade blows with comparitively clocked cpu's.

Multithreaded

Cinebench we already know how this one does. It favors Ryzen.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20Cinebench_zpsavqqdrej.jpg

Wprime. Here is one you dont know about. Ive checked scores on Hwbot 4gig untuned OS Ryzen is comparable to (I would hope tuned os) 4.3 gig intel results (8/16)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20wprime_zpsgkq7yxga.jpg

Pifast kind of a legacy test. Ran it out of curiosity. Asked my buddy on a haswell what he gets at his 4.6 OC He is in the 16's.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%20pifast_zps7fmbdsqb.jpg

Moving on to 3D from the most relevant and latest ( cpu tests ) to the less relavent until we reference fps in game tests.

Time spy (I actually ran a score up to compare vs a 5690X @ 4.6 with a fury x @ almost same clocks (i had less gpu power) on hwbot. It will be competetive = clocks )
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203dM%20time_zpsx8cuqgfv.jpg

Firestrike
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203dM%20fire_zpselttvkrp.jpg

3d11
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203d11_zpstsrxt3v6.jpg

3dmark Vantage ( latest edition used ) old edition inflates cpu score for those that don't know. It is considered a "tweak"
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203dmV_zpswoq9px8p.jpg

3dmark 06
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203d06_zpstk3qukwi.jpg

3dmark 05
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203d05_zpspkmzwyes.jpg

3mark 03
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/1700%20OC%203d03_zpst3hojpwg.jpg

That concludes the official part of the tests. I ran one unnoficial test because i know theres a few AMD enthusiasts dying to know.
I call it unnoficial because this is not the OS to be running it in. Scores are all over the place and inconsistant but it should give you a rough idea of how much faster IPC is vs previous designs

32m pi. This is the only test I did not toss from orginal testing on the 1800x. I have not taken the time to run it since.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/14-14-14-34%203200_zps2fcxp80m.jpg

Conclusion.

What ryzen is.

Its a huge improvement for AMD and has put them not only back as an alternative in the mainstream desktop market but in the competitve market and I applaud them for doing what many thought was "the impossible"

What Ryzen isn't.

Ryzen is clearly not a high overclocking chip. Competitors equivalently cored chips are not high overclockers either.

Our saving grace as enthusiasts is the 1700 is a decent value and appears to be a decent overclocker ( for ryzen chips )

chew*

03-02-2017, 03:44 AM

Motherboard im using and motherboard vendor rants in general.

This board is underpowered first off. Its also a gaming 5. theres already a 7 on the site. I hope it does not share the same pwm as this one.

This board has no clock gen chip therefore bclock is locked. Who cares right? wrong. In order to extract the most performance from Ryzen you will need to clock bclok up past 100. Max memory multipler is 32 and I can not confirm but in cpu-z NB is always equal to ram. If indeed that is NB frequency to extract even more performance will require us to push the memory to beyond 3200 to get the northbridge frequency up.

Boards in general. I was benching 3d game tests at 4.2 gig. I could not pass cpu tests at 4.2. Had the board had a simple tweak it or msi oc knob or any type of button to dial the bclock frequency up during game tests and down during cpu tests I could have gotten a better result.

Unfortunately vendors have decided to screen print boards add lights and install heat trapping devices over PWM sinks that don't even adhere to the simple law of HEAT RISES.

UPDATE
Lets rewind a little. 990FX, now I can understand that BD sucked ( yes I can say that now ) and the board could handle thuban Deneb just fine but lets look at the heat dissapation qualities.

Not bad not absolutely magical but not bad......Asus probably had the most sensible solution here with crisscross finned PWM sink.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/?Qwd=./blah&Qif=IMG_3751.jpg

How about crosshair 3?
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/?Qwd=./Crosshair%20III&Qif=IMG_1652.JPG

MSI 890
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/?Qwd=./MSI890FX&Qif=fullshot.JPG

gigabyte 890
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/?Qwd=./890FXA-UD7&Qif=giga%20comp.jpg

gigabyte 790
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/?Qwd=./955&Qif=IMG_1274.jpg

As we can see all these had common sense heatsinks that served a functional purpose. dissapate heat.

END

Im very dissapointed and when i was working with vendors i would reccomend at least a little common sense and funtional features that helped overclockers.

To be continued. I need some sleep. I will rattle off whatever bugs i forgot this board has when i get up and workarounds i have found to get around them.

Gigabyte G5

bclock not 100. no workaround up to bios team.

SMT disabling bug. When enabling SMT again posting and going to windows don't go Oh @#$% I think i killed my chip when threads do not come back in windows. simply shut down, power off psu till power light goes out. switch back on and boot.

UPDATE
New workaround for SMT disabled core 0 bug with 1700 non X cpu.

Here is what the bug looks like booting with OC from bios.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/garret%20new%20f5c_zpsw605kr1g.jpg

WORK AROUND

CPU ratio AUTO
Set everything else in bios as you would normally including voltages required for your known stable target cpu clock.
Boot. Once on desktop open Ryzen Master. set all core multi to desired frequency. verify all cores is cpu-z are at target frequency.
Yes I know this annoying but it works for now till we can fix it via multiplier from bios.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/garret%20new%20f5c%20multi%20AUTO%20with%20ryzen%2 0master_zpsxinv6lk1.jpg

Reported. Pending bios update

END

General gigabyte post cycles. Try not to change to many settings at once. example c and q off smt off set ram speed and tune timings. Do one at a time save reboot change next. for as long as i have used gigabyte boards they still do a funky reboot cycle dance. This gets around that unless you have a serious problem. I have gotten bclock up on boards that have hated bclock changes by doing this ( p67 ) all the way up to 110. 1 step up reboot. another step reboot.

Update
ALL VENDOR cpu-z bug. SMT disabled shows only 4c/4t tabbing the cores shows two physical and two logical. Workaround = dont use vendor cpu-z. The normal cpu-z reports it properly.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/vendor%20cpu-z%20bug_zpsjxdwwcey.jpg

END

More info to come but i need sleep

chew*

03-02-2017, 03:45 AM

Motherboard testing

Gigabyte x370 Gaming 5 (reviewers kit)
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170224_000513_zpsq6dzsa1e.jpg

Take note of dimm placement. Slots 2/4 will offer the best compatibility when only using 2 sticks.

OK I may not post everywhere but I read a lot of forums so time to post some info.

First off flashing bios. flash stock never oced, if ram is a pain to tune pull 1 stick when you flash. it will be more stable less chance of corruption.

After flashing successfully and posting I like To PSU the system off no power no lights pull battery jump clear cmos pin.

Now onto the bios and really the only important voltages you need worry about.

If voltage offsets is your thing you must have normal setting on cpu vcore and vcore soc

I don't use them but whatever.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170309_004008_zpsh47ckddt.jpg

Moving on

What is SOC? Think of it like the old NB voltage. use it to stabilize IMC ( 4 dims or higher than 3200 ). Range you want to be in on air/water is 1.0-1.2. silicon dependant. this board defaults at 1.1

vcore self explanatory

dram volts self explanatory

dram termination should always equal to half of your dram volts.

LLC this board on air water I recommend high on both settings and dropping SOC to 1.0

Anyway you should end up with something like this

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170309_004811_zpsnfeziwgt.jpg

ASUS Prime B350-PLUS $79.96 clearance rack open box buy (Microcenter)

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_151025_zpssq8glzkz.jpg
Detailed videon on settings voltages temps etc etc.
https://youtu.be/yrjxZQOoAdY

Final thoughts and conclusion on B350
https://youtu.be/ZAm-2NX_3mU

Take note of dimm placement. Slots 2/4 will offer the best compatibility when only using 2 sticks on this board.

Board seems limited to about 1.50v can only set via offsets ( I hate offsets )

Probably a smart move considering it's only a 4+2 phase arrangement.

I would not recommend prime 95 or comparable stress tests on this or probably any B350 board currently available.

You can get about 1.475v load with these settings. Vid dependant though vcore is maxxed in this shot they do not want you pushing it to hard.

I'm probably going to get a strongly worded message for recommending these settings on this board lol........Hi Gary :D

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_191402_zps7vshasyj.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_191519_zpsllykfwrd.jpg

ASUS PRIME X370 PRO $159.99 NIB (microcenter)

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170318_181404_zpsysymbugs.jpg

Detailed video going over voltages bios settings temps etc etc.
https://youtu.be/7dK0fJNH_Gg

Solder pads. Left SOC +/- Right VCORE +/-

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170324_114835_zps0p0ybv7d.jpg

Grounds on right side of pads. Positive on left sides of pads.
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2992766/

Soldered to a spare molex extender for ease of use. YMMV.
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2992767/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kWFhO7rnAg

CH6 $244.99 Microcenter in store pickup and one hell of adventure to finally get one.....:shakes:

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170328_165409_zps1omnd8ph.jpg

How to OC basics and how to use 32g memory with C6H

https://youtu.be/yAiW3IO-cIQ

Asrock Taichi $213 with tax and a journey to long island ny microcenter.

Currently i am dubbing this board the dual rank dimm champ. Look at that sexy set of 32gb sticks in that board. Tweak to get them working? Take pics of board with them installed :D

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-04/20170401_184922_zpshj8lafs7.jpg
Taichi unbox contents and impressions
https://youtu.be/8PmSPaJO10Q

Taichi OC basics and how to get 2x16g DR working
https://youtu.be/MwM7HmREc5Y

Stability testing 120 ref clock. Passive cooling VRM is realistic 50c average 55c peak worst case scenario testing.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/taichi%20120%20ref_zpsgsdrgapy.jpg

Gigabyte X370 Gaming K7 $228 with tax in store pickup Long island Ny.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/20170506_085434_zpsiwoijfjb.jpg

K7 unbox contents and impressions. Compare to gaming 5.
https://youtu.be/WzpekD3mbFo

How to OC basics K7 and 3600 ram
https://youtu.be/smjIH-FbW0o

Stability testing 120 ref clock. VRM runs extremely hot. 80c average 93c peak in worst case scenario testing..
Highly suggest actively cooling VRM.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Gaming%20K7%20120%20ref_zpsphyhx7w9.jpg

Msi X370 Xpower Titanium$262 with tax $20 mail in rebate. Open box buy Queens Ny.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/20170506_085818_zpsn6kvo3cm.jpg

Titanium unbox contents and impressions
https://youtu.be/oh0tvWfwmes

Temp testing load in prime and dmm testing which i will have to redo...meter caught a shadow.
https://youtu.be/E9yook-cIcA
video 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-ixDDzI2k

Stability testing 3.9 100 ref 3200 ram.
Boarder line passive cooling acceptable with 73c peak and 65C average vrm temps in worst case scenario
You could get away without actively cooling this vrm but I would recommend sticking a small fan over it.
Highlighted system temp which was equivalent to IR reading on back of board behind VRM ( in other versions the system temp is called motherboard temp )
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/titanium%20100%20ref%201_zpsk1yu2wvv.jpg

Retested with Active cooling over VRM. Pulled temps down considerably.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/titanium%20100%20ref%202_zps0hi0roa2.jpg

Biostar GT7 On loan from zeneffect $179? newegg bought board
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170521_132851_zps6dmtz3f5.jpg

Unbox thoughts etc etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6715MmWzw

Settings etc etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gq8IOp90oQ

Testing temps voltage etc etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1LkqkK16CI]

Retesting official bios for a bug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFay8uHw-OU

chew*

03-02-2017, 03:45 AM

Ryzen General Info and Guide

What we know about Ryzen so far.

Memory = high speed low latency 3200 or better. In my testing memory performance with tight timing (10-12-12-28 2t, 10-13-13-28-1T) and 2400 speeds was poor.

Timings not much to play with right now you have 5. You cant even adjust trc or command rate. This should change in the near future.

Bios is boring....nothing to turn off except leds :D

Bclck or ref clock matters. Board choice for this matters.
Solution buy a board with bclock adjustment

UPDATE

( Courtesy of Elmor )
This is confirmed even more so now and a workaround for rather low memory bandwidth.

Lamans terms it tricks subtimings we lack access to into running tighter.

2400 set in bios bclock up to get ram up to speeds of 3200-3400

http://forum.hwbot.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5393&stc=1&d=1488554236

http://forum.hwbot.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5394&stc=1&d=1488554236

My own personal testing in 32m pi confirms this.

Base 100
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/4.6%201333%20100%20ref_zpsriukn358.jpg

Realistic ref clock
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/4.6%201333%20125%20ref_zps72bh4mnk.jpg

Excessive ref clock and really not worth the gains over a moderate ref clock.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/4.6%201333%20142%20ref_zpszuvdxs8v.jpg

END

There appears to be a memory hole.(courtesy of massman)

Solution
Make sure when running in 3400+ range if you can that performance has not gone down. If having trouble with say 3450-3550 posting push up to 3600>
Im not sure which symptom is present as I lack a board with bclock adjustment.

-80 coldbug related to memory speed goes away full pot. (courtesy of massman)

Solution
DI reccomend 2400-2666 mem speeds. (courtesy of massman)
For ln2 just keep your memory speed low till you hit max temps.

PWM design matters. Board matters.

In my personal experience the chips do not like over 1.50v air.

The chips appear to be very resillient even at the excessive load temps overclocked.

Update

Hexus ran smt disabled gaming tests good read and expected that outcome. Next question was it turbo related or will we see more gains with fixxed cpu speed vs turbo/xfr.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/102964-amd-ryzen-7-1800x-14nm-zen/?page=9

UPDATE

Can Ryzen run 32gb of memory? Yes

With selective board choice and memory and selective configurations per selected board you can get it running at even rated speeds and timings.

Example
https://youtu.be/aXHlTMKyse8

chew*

03-02-2017, 03:45 AM

Reserved 4 Extreme Overclocking

Part 1 phase change

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170423_171134_zps8no0l5ab.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/20170423_203539_zpsezeilei1.jpg

R7 1700
1.45v
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/4.2%20cold%202_zpsc8zf6orn.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/32m%207-49_zpswgsrkkeh.jpg

R5 1400

1.4v
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/r5%201400%20phase_zpsii5hgnuj.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/32m%207-46_zps7eubmssp.jpg

Improved time...crazy latency/speed :D
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/32m%207-41_zpsjajv3li0.jpg

Not much left to extract from this chip at this speed.......
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/1400%20cache%202_zpshyauri2a.jpg

1800x

1.45

screwed around with the 1800x on phase.

NO BIAS
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/1800x%20phase%20no%20bias_zps7v4mrazv.jpg

improved my 4.6 fixed speed 32m time.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/7-29_zpstob1bunw.jpg

Ket

03-02-2017, 04:14 AM

More like rise of the Padowan :p: AMD have never reached the level of Jedi, come close a few times, but never quite got there. Heres hoping Zen makes them Jedi, we need a hero to stand against the dark forces of the intel Sith lords!

chew*

03-02-2017, 04:34 AM

Context matters. When report goes live it will make more sense.

FlanK3r

03-02-2017, 05:00 AM

I will watch you :P :)

StAndrew

03-02-2017, 05:22 AM

Gonna be a long 38 minutes...

bowman

03-02-2017, 05:49 AM

Good to know we can rely on XS for proper coverage, of the two Chinese sites that jumped the gun on the NDA one didn't bother overclocking at all and the other one just overclocked it to 4GHz without even talking about the cooling solution, voltage or anything else..

SkunkAlpha

03-02-2017, 06:01 AM

Still rocking a GA-MA790FXT-UD5P but did upgrade from a C2 955 to a 1090T about 18 months ago.

Have a set of OCZ Animals floating around here somewhere also thanks to Chew.

It's time to upgrade!

chew*

03-02-2017, 06:22 AM

I might add I referenced a score I was chasing a timespy score on hwbot for a comparison vs a 5960x. I tossed the best one away I guess at 6090 ish the target was 6170 ish iirc.

Whatever the case compare cpu score in review to this for scaling and once you do that you will see that I was doing CPU tests at 4.1 on the gaming 5.

Myth busted

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Untitled_zpssyodtvvl.jpg

UPDATE

As I had mentioned I ran a compare off the above, that was me just testing HBM scaling saving shots, its not worth much but if you run it in relation to core its worth something especially if you can't match someone elses core speed which is worth quite a bit. I claimed it was competitive but it's the internet anyone can SAY anything.

Anyway here you go. David vs goliath with a considereable clock disadvantage. Its not my intention to claim a hardware top score, submit score ( I changed my password on purpose to something I would not remember years ago ) and the ranking has like 7 scores...nothing spectacular for someone who is in pro league on hw bot or whatever class I was in.....

Intention and methods of cooling were something avg guys can do. Gave fury x an ice bucket challenge fought with a coldbug loading temps up before launching bench to at least come close to matching his gpu core. ( this card sux )

Tops score
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Timespy%20compare_zpsrrzq8eme.jpg

screenshot of score
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Timespy%20compare%202_zpsmb910uw5.jpg

Ryzen result. Note the cpu score. I'm seeing scaling of about 200+ per 100 MHz
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Timespy%20compare%203_zpsaeveftfu.jpg

FlanK3r

03-02-2017, 06:57 AM

u got AMD WR in Superpi now :)

cdawall

03-02-2017, 08:10 AM

Your review has so many more benchmarks than mine lol looks good man I am glad to hear I wasn't the only one with board issues. For those curious the chvi is as bad if not worse.

Oh and here are my current feelings on the asus board.

http://img.techpowerup.org/170302/received-10212683749353835.jpg

It died.

ZenEffect

03-02-2017, 10:10 AM

very nice review Brian!

chispy

03-02-2017, 10:13 AM

Thank you Chew for sharing your findings , well done and good job. I will keep coming and going into this tread. Keep up the good work , keep pushing ( As Oliver used to say )

techtrancer

03-02-2017, 10:19 AM

Thumbs up!
Realy nice Review Chew*

NEOAethyr

03-02-2017, 11:11 AM

@cdawall, you killed it!, how in the heck did you do that?

@chew, only 5 mem timings avail?
When looknig through guru3d's review I saw teh same on the asus board, but there was also an advanced timing section..
I wonder if that is just clock skews or something...

@ket
Sure there was a jedi, once, long ago and what seems like a far away galaxy...
It was called the K7.
It lost it's path, and went to the dark side during the bull-:banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: years..
Now it's back, though it never really recovered it seems...
I dn whatever lol :P.

I do like the results so far, the mem bandwidth is quite good looking.
The clocks are ok for those upgrade from thuban, in my opinion.
I don't like the idea it's 2 chips soldered together :\, a big wtf on that (what is this a p4 dual core... ???).
There's other things so far from what I've read that seems odd.

I believe the next rev's will be better.
Though it may take a long time before they get released.
But so far, pretty decent.
I gotta say though, wth on the mem timings :\.

DeViTTo

03-02-2017, 11:34 AM

Thanks Chew really good review. :)

If you had your choice of board and memory. Which would you or others choose?

Would you risk high rated memory and tighten timings?

chew*

03-02-2017, 11:45 AM

Currently the asus is supposed to be good. I have not tested hands on so really can not say. It does look like they will rehash it toss a few more compnents on the existing pcb hero is on and call it a formula.

I have noticed a few things. Think guru ran an oc in timespy @4.1 oddly enough the cpu score at 4.1 is my cpu score in review @ 3990. Mine at 4.1 is higher. Also that was alot of volts for 4.1 but that could be silicon related.

I know i would not use the g5 overclocked in a case with a 95w chip. That is out of the question unless active cooling is over pwm.

3600 15-15-15 is most likely same as pc3200 14-14-14 maybe even better. Can probably draw in timings on one and loosen timings on the other set

Harney

03-02-2017, 12:06 PM

Thx Chew

Fantastic in depth stuff exactly what i was looking for and found thx to you :)

So assume the g5 is not a good board then?

Keep up the great work

chew*

03-02-2017, 12:20 PM

I would definitely stay away from it oced 95w chip.

65w 8c/16t borderline when overclocked

Probably handle a 65w 6c/12t with no issues whatsoever.

Nelly

03-02-2017, 12:22 PM

Very enjoyable read Chew, thanks for the review.

I don't know if it will be much help to people, but remember the IC list at http://ramlist.i4memory.com/ ? Well it's been down since around June 2016, anyway I found an archive of it from that date and put it into spreadsheet (looks exactly the same) and added more sets of ram over the last week, with details of IC's, once I've finished it I'll share it.

techtrancer

03-02-2017, 12:26 PM

I would definitely stay away from it oced 95w chip.

65w 8c/16t borderline when overclocked

Probably handle a 65w 6c/12t with no issues whatsoever.

Maybe not with an big watercooling^^
Fan on picture is a normal 120mm fan :ROTF:

https://abload.de/thumb/img_35766axop.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_35766axop.jpg)

chew*

03-02-2017, 12:28 PM

That sir is awsome. I was trying to open that in my memory endeavors. :up:

chew*

03-02-2017, 12:30 PM

Maybe not with an big watercooling^^
Fan on picture is a normal 120mm fan :ROTF:

https://abload.de/thumb/img_35766axop.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_35766axop.jpg)

Just for the pwm maybe :p:

techtrancer

03-02-2017, 12:33 PM

These heat exchangers are normally installed in subways. Get two from a friend, but have been in the cellar for years
Maybe one time i will use them 4 cooling^^

Harney

03-02-2017, 01:29 PM

I would definitely stay away from it oced 95w chip.

65w 8c/16t borderline when overclocked

Probably handle a 65w 6c/12t with no issues whatsoever.

Thx chew....can that plastic be removed that is partially covering the fet heatsink

chew*

03-02-2017, 01:34 PM

4 screws and off it comes. Took like a minute to do.

msimax

03-02-2017, 02:28 PM

niceee review man :up:

chew*

03-02-2017, 02:39 PM

niceee review man :up:

I hope your ready. transam pmed me. Said i got a 35L dewar.:D

I have someone else chasing down my old protoype ln2 pot ( the massive load one).

Monstru

03-02-2017, 02:41 PM

Nice work man!

BTW...Illuminati confirmed!!!

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/11.jpg

chew*

03-02-2017, 02:46 PM

:up:

FlanK3r

03-02-2017, 02:47 PM

Good to read all and wating for next test in enxt days and months here. AMD is back, really back in game :)

chew*

03-02-2017, 02:53 PM

Be sure to check the hexus smt disabled gaming tests linked in my Ryzen info section.
:up:

KiSUAN

03-02-2017, 05:40 PM

Be sure to check the hexus smt disabled gaming tests linked in my Ryzen info section.
:up:

HWFR did the same but for all the games they tested plus comparison with 6900K with HT disable and for applications too http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-7/impact-smt-ht.html

Raiderman

03-02-2017, 05:52 PM

Thanks Brian for the great review! Long time no see bud!

lowdog

03-02-2017, 06:18 PM

Excellent work, thank you very much and very much appreciated :)

Enjoy the rest of your play time with AMD. Looking forward to mine with the 1700 and MSI X370 Titanium (no Asus ROG in stock)....hope fate swung me a winner and this mobo fairs well ;)

Went with Corsair Vengeance LED CMU64GX4M4C3000C15 64GB (4x16GB) DDR4 and Corsair Vengance LPX CMK32GX4B3200C16W 32GB to mess around with. Been a long time sine AMD cpu has been in the house, will be fun to get my mind around this new gaming rig for a while.

Good luck with it all and keep it coming :clap:

chew*

03-02-2017, 06:27 PM

HWFR did the same but for all the games they tested plus comparison with 6900K with HT disable and for applications too http://www.hardware.fr/articles/956-7/impact-smt-ht.html

I will read it later but i already chart plotted kaby lakes ipc for my own personal targets. Im aware its better but i think it will be hard for them to get that ipc in 8c/16t.

chew*

03-02-2017, 06:38 PM

Lowdog

I think the msi titanium could possibly have potential. It has input power going for it. All depends on the implemation and bios tuning from that point.

lowdog

03-02-2017, 07:07 PM

Had the MSI Z97 Xpower and MSI were pretty responsive with giving me beta bioses to try each time I contacted them regarding certain bugs I was experiencing with my setup so hopefully the same will happen this time around. Was a pretty solid board that one despite the ridiculous watercooling implementation they stuck on the board. :rolleyes:

Anyway sorry for thread crapping this is about AMD after all :D

punx223

03-02-2017, 07:42 PM

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:, Chew is back.... Welcome back brother

lowdog

03-02-2017, 08:13 PM

chew

what do you think max volts will be on these 1700's under water for any type of longevity.........till Ryzen + at least ;) I know it's all subjective but just take a guess based on your experience :)

chew*

03-02-2017, 08:21 PM

Amd reportedly told viewers 1.4v. Good thing im not a review site.

Depends if watercooling is actually effective. I honestly dont think it will gain much.

1.525v normal ambients is likely top of the scale. They seem to take abuse well.

Just dont see it gaining anything usefull per the bump in volts.

ZenEffect

03-02-2017, 08:31 PM

measure flatness of ihs

richierich

03-02-2017, 08:57 PM

Nice overview chew, and love the thread title.

chew*

03-02-2017, 11:52 PM

Waiting on a bios for smt disabled tests. Core 0 is still dropped. Up to f5b now.... F5chew* better work lol

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/garret%20new%20f5b_zpsw5ds4po6.jpg

BeepBeep2

03-03-2017, 01:25 AM

I hope your ready. transam pmed me. Said i got a 35L dewar.:D

I have someone else chasing down my old protoype ln2 pot ( the massive load one).
Would you like to meet up some time? I have one of the Aaron's copies but I think it's a lighter cut version, and a KPC Venom 5.0. Would love to come clock and hang with ya man.
Also been talking to Splave about a little northeast meetup - what ya got planned for the summer? :)

I still have a few Phenom II chips and a couple FX chips to get through for nostalgia purposes before I sink on Ryzen.

chew*

03-03-2017, 02:27 AM

:bsod:

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/garret%20new%20f5c_zpsw605kr1g.jpg

flashed enough bioses for one night. Bedtime...........

TheBlueChanell

03-03-2017, 02:50 AM

Long time no see chew*! Glad you're back (now that AMD finally is :D) and looking forward to seeing more results.

Will be joining in the Ryzen fun as soon as Amazon figures out their pre-order snafu business.

Waiting on an 1800X + Crosshair VI I've had on pre-order since like the 23rd. I may end up just cancelling and ordering from NE got a brand new WaterBlock and rebuilt loop waiting for it and it's killing me. Haven't been this excited for a build since my 1090T / 790FX-GD70 setup.

Raiderman

03-03-2017, 06:49 AM

Nice work Brian, looking forward to more updates. Get some sleep.

eagle101

03-03-2017, 07:42 AM

Chew from what I have seen you do Here, I Promote you to:
"General Chew Of Xtreme Systems AMD Division" :clap:

I myself have 2 Honorable Discharges US Army
101st Airborne Division(Air Assault Unit)

*I also Salute All the Other testers here for a Job well Done, I'm a nobody compared to you guys

I guess W7 64 is out for this Ryzen 1800x and Hero crosshair6-DDR4 TridentZ 2x8gb 2400
or could it work for a while ??? before I re-format to W10 Pro.
I was not ready to goto W10 but after talking to Mr. Bill last night he said get with the program man.
nuts :(

vario

03-03-2017, 08:21 AM

eagle101

03-03-2017, 08:49 AM

There are drivers for Win7 no prob.But set windows to high performance mode, amd has some quirks with their cnq again.

Thanks vario

I'm already set at high performance.....what I wana do is just unplug machine take off phase.change evaporator head off from cpu
take CHV-Z board out.....hopefully the Hero CH6 asus board all screws and connectors will line up the same as CHV-Z board.
and put the new 1800x and CH6-Hero board and push the start button....and just goof off and play around on W7 64 Pro that's existing now on my ocz Revo3x2 ssd pcie drive...

Im looking right now for the new W10 64 pro dvd / cd to get in the next few weeks, I have heard everything runs better on W10
Im just a little scared to have to change Immediately to W10
I don't know what: quirks cng is ? I'm not a gamer just so you know if that applies here

chew*

03-03-2017, 12:19 PM

I should note this so i will. Prime 95 is using bd k10 code or whatever you want to call it.It will need an update.The Stilt claims its not enough load currently. I have always respected his knowlege so if he said it its probably accurate.

I think like i did in review aggravating chip even more will be necessary to load it more to verify stability. So piss it off. Run cinebench. Literally spam it like i did back to back. Toss wprime 1024 at it. Open other stuff up. Just really annoy it. Cinebench prime 95 and wprime all at once.

IronBalls

03-03-2017, 12:46 PM

I'm a bit disappointed with Ryzen. I was looking forward at dumping my 5820K and build a AM4 PC. After the reviews and mostly the poor overclocking potential, I don't feel like doing it anymore. They are selling the CPU near it's limit. Still, it's a bargain for that price and performance and I do believe AMD will reclaim some market. Too bad Intel still has got the lead in games.

chew*

03-03-2017, 01:02 PM

Im not and i will explain why. In order to beat or be competive a reviewer needs to use intel 8/16 or 10/20 chip and board etc etc.

To beat it in ipc you need another chip and board. Pick one you cant have both.

To be best in games another chip

On this platform disable smt you get both in one socket at far less cost. One socket one platform.

So to game you need x chip on intel. But...at the cost of workstation performance. And vice versa

Ryzen is middle of the road happy balance.

BeepBeep2

03-03-2017, 01:11 PM

IronBalls

03-03-2017, 01:21 PM

I agree. Ryzen is a good overall CPU with very good price/performance ratio. I do believe it will gain the heart of many gamers. Nowadays CPU's are less important for gaming. With Ryzen you can put the extra cash on a better GPU and have far better performance than with Intel platform.
Something I was extremely surprised about, is the excellent energy consumption of Ryzen CPU's. A 8 core consuming less than Intel's 7700K (4 core). This was a big problem for AMD in the past.
The biggest deception is the overclockability of Ryzen. They do on average 4-4.1 Ghz from what I have seen. I was expecting something in the 4.4-4.5 range. But I am glad Intel is finally facing some serious competition.

chew*

03-03-2017, 01:21 PM

chew*

03-03-2017, 01:24 PM

I honestly dont feel it was a deception as far as overclocking goes. I think peoples expectations were deceptive to themselves. Amd only admitted they could be oced they would all be unlocked multis.

Amd showed or someone showed leaks of 5.2 on ln2. That was a preety good indicator for me at least.

IronBalls

03-03-2017, 01:30 PM

chew*

03-03-2017, 01:35 PM

pumero

03-03-2017, 02:02 PM

I was used of having huge headroom for oc with AMD. With thuban you could easily squeeze 1 Ghz more on the 1090T. With Vishera, you could even go past the magical 5 ghz limit on water. So I was expecting a little more of Ryzen. I mean, if you consider the turbo, you only win 200-300 mhz. It's very small margin. But who knows, they might work this out in future Ryzen stepping.
The chips you mention have one thing in common, they were both on a somewhat mature manufacturing process - Thuban on 45nm, Vishera on 32nm.

However, if you look at the first chips AMD made on new nodes, the picture is quite similar to what we see with Ryzen.
Deneb, 45nm, wasn't a really great clocker in the beginning but got much better with the C3 stepping
Llano, 32nm, even though a mature architecture, it was not particularly great for overclocking either
Kaveri, 28nm, improved over time but started rather slow too

I'm confident that Ryzen clocks and overclocking will improve over time, as the process and manufacturing matures.

chew*

03-03-2017, 02:14 PM

Yep. Search 955 unleashed on forums. Deneb launch 4 gig air was golden and my abilty to get it stable there was questioned.
That particular chip was just a lucky low leakage well balanced chip.

C3 saw chips up to 4.5-4.6 stable over time.

My expectations are somewhat conservative but i think 4.3 on ryzen with optimizations could be realistic.

Would not be surprised if we see a 4.2 4.3 xfr chip 6 months to a year down the road.

No clue if we will be doing that on 65w chips all cores stable though especially on current boards.

IronBalls

03-03-2017, 02:30 PM

It could definitely benefit from like a c3 revision like deneb did or a respin. Still clock speed is and always has been irrelavant. I know we like to see big numbers but if a 3gig chip beats a 5gig chip in application X the 5g clock is pointless.

This chip reminds me of llano minus the graphics. I loved llano. :D

I fully agree. For the average consumer, overclock doesn't matter. But for someone that loves to overclock and to squeeze every single mhz, it is somewhat disappointing. Going from 3.8 GHz to 4 GHz doesn't give you the thrill of going from 3.2 to 4.3 GHz. But I agree, it's only numbers. My FX 8320 would do 5 GHz with only 1.45v, yet it's beaten by a stock 5820k. But when seen trough the eyes of an overclocker, it matters :)

chew*

03-03-2017, 02:40 PM

Thats where i come into play. Im here to help you guys get the most performance out of the chips as i always have done in the past. We have oc restrictions so time to chase hardware configs memory speeds and whatever performance we can extract at our given clocks reliably.

Total system performance matters most.

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 02:58 PM

Those are optimized for intel code. They were never a good test for amd. Its also for guys who want to think a quick stress test = stable

Prime 95 uses BD k10 code. Optimized for amd. Just needs code for ryzen to be more reliable for stress testing.
Have you Test If the Stress Test oft AOD works?
With the FX i get more Heat with AOD whan Turbo was on
Without Turbo i get more Heat with Prime
Fastest and highest Heat with this Settings

https://abload.de/thumb/prime9ssvc.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=prime9ssvc.jpg)

Also an good Job to heat up with Turbo does the realy old Benchmark nuclearus!
With this Setting the FX heats with Turbo more up than AOD
But Start for every Core an extra nuclearus!!!!
So finaly 8x nuclearus was Running

https://abload.de/thumb/nuctestzfskg.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=nuctestzfskg.jpg)

chew*

03-03-2017, 03:17 PM

Thx techtrancer. I will look into this and run them at settings i used for review.

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 03:24 PM

But think is only good for max Heat Stress!
I also use Prime large & smal
And Maybe the best FFT for highest Heat with Ryzen is an other.
Also Maybe an other nuclearus Setting

An good way to See How much Power the CPU use at the Moment of Stress is SIW
There you can See How much Watt it use
It's not the right Watt, but you can See If it's most ore not.
Also if it's nonstop high ore if it goes up and down
So you can find the best FFT & nuclearus Setting for max Heat easier

chew*

03-03-2017, 03:42 PM

Im more concerned with imc tbh. Normally i can get a random thread drop if imc or memory has instability. I am unable to trigger this with current version. I can get heat up really good just pounding all threads simultaneously with multiple stress tests.

Id rather use 1700 for that with this board. Swapping to 95 watt part changes alot.

If one was to do pwm temps testing and analysis on gaming 5 without using 95w parts as well it would be rather inconclusive and misleading.

Temps are hot to the touch with 1700 no fan. Temps will burn you with 1800x no fan same volts same clocks.

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 03:50 PM

Charles Wirth

03-03-2017, 04:03 PM

Have you been able to complete a 32M?

chew*

03-03-2017, 04:08 PM

Have you been able to complete a 32M?

Yep np there.

Hynix and samsung

In fact new bios 2s faster. w/samsung.

Charles Wirth

03-03-2017, 04:09 PM

Hmm, I will change OS.

chew*

03-03-2017, 04:25 PM

You under cascade fugger- 80ish? Read my ryzen info part of thread.

chew*

03-03-2017, 04:44 PM

My normal 24/7 cooling setup^^
Works well since 939
Never distroy an MB, RAM ore CPU

https://abload.de/thumb/img_892082bom.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_892082bom.jpg) https://abload.de/thumb/img_1225kujo4.jpg (http://abload.de/image.php?img=img_1225kujo4.jpg)

That would be a smart common sense and realistic way to use the g5 in a case.

Keep in mind i test on a bench and i always must take into account that the community will be in a case.

If it hot on the bench a pc case real world is hotter.

Hell Hound

03-03-2017, 04:51 PM

can you vsr to 4k w/ the 290x's and note min fps please,I haven't seen multi monitor/gpu test

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 04:52 PM

That would be a smart common sense and realistic way to use the g5 in a case.

Keep in mind i test on a bench and i always must take into account that the community will be in a case.

If it hot on the bench a pc case real world is hotter.

Think most of the new MB has this Problems
Bad at default and dangerous with OC
MB in the far away past often has installed Fans on them
But without they are Maybe 0,01$ cheaper in producing ^^

For that are on the new more led the nobody is dived. And more spreader that heat accumulates more than cooling but looks good ^^

chew*

03-03-2017, 05:02 PM

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 05:23 PM

Think the DFI UT 790FX-M2R has One Of the best Voltage converter cooling for case use ever
And at 939 Time, most of the MB has Fan in the NB
And now everything is fanless
In my opinion not Innovation, not stagnation but backward

chew*

03-03-2017, 05:29 PM

Raiderman

03-03-2017, 05:39 PM

Hope you dont mind Brian, but I have been quoting some of your findings at notebookreview.com Of course you will have to wade through the earlier posts.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/amds-ryzen-cpus-formerly-zen.799348/

techtrancer

03-03-2017, 05:41 PM

Well they read forums more than most think. They are probably already in design on the next version gen whatever.

The time to be heard is now. They wont just change stuff once its laid out. To costly.
We well see in the Future, if we get good cooled MB with Fans again
I also can live without onboard Fans
With wather cooling it's easy to install them selve
But mostly use Air cooling, and mostly of them has Problems with to Hot NB & voltage converters and finaly unstable systems and dying MB

chew*

03-03-2017, 05:46 PM

Np Raiderman.

Welcome to port questions here ill answer them.

You can inform the user who said giga does 3400 with latest bios as innaccurate at least for g5. I have the latest beta possible from hq.

32x max no ref clock nor can ref clock be unlocked...it lacks physical hardware chip to do so.

You can inform the other person who said that smt disabled bug no issue can use ryzen master to change multi on core 0 as innacurate also. Yes hpet was enabled for ryzen master.

Might want to let them know my skill/knowledge lvl at ocing, effeciency, analysis and in general after reading some posts. Chuckled a few times at some comments.

I need to update that info upon verifying it is not a workaround for 1700 although it should have worked...

Ket

03-03-2017, 07:21 PM

Trying to pull a blanket over any vendors short comings in an effort to get continued free sample support does not help community nor does it spark innovation or changes.

I once told community publically during p67 craze that one board was only good for the motherboard box it came in to bench on top of. It died under rather light use.

Brutal honesty = innovation

Blankets = stagnation.

Agreed! :toast: A fair few manufacturers dislike me for taking this stance, particularly Sapphire, OCZ and Asus :D Given the demolition OCZ went under a while back though I'd be surprised if anyone is left there now from when that bad blood kicked up. Karmas a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: ain't it, OCZ? :p:

techjesse

03-04-2017, 12:03 AM

Great Review chew :up: Now Ln2 Benches :D

techtrancer

03-04-2017, 12:06 AM

@chew

Have you run any Benchmark under w7 also?
I read that w7 ist with Ryzen in different Benchmark up to 13% faster than w10 at the Moment
The stilt Write that in w10 is any Plugin who opimice w10 for the FX
So Ryzen Runs at the Moment with the FX Plugin and Plugin for Ryzen should come in around 1 month from MS

chew*

03-04-2017, 12:10 AM

Have not yet but i can. Running the timespy comparison i referenced in review. Waiting on bios to verify some stuff. Probably go grab some hd's this weekend for multi OS testing.

Time spy updated. Post #12

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5254468&viewfull=1#post5254468

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Timespy%20compare%203_zpsaeveftfu.jpg

techtrancer

03-04-2017, 04:40 AM

am i right that Ryzen scales good with low Temperature and Bad with v-Core?

chew*

03-04-2017, 04:44 AM

Looks like Ryzen scales good with low Temperature and Bad with v-Core?

ambients were 20C lower needed a little more cpu power for the comparison.

def not sub 0 idle was 40c. voltage is finicky like I said more crashes faster.

Fury x was cold though, dunked radiator in ice water.......didn't know they had cold slow bug, that made things a tad tricky lol.

Did not feel like flashing bios to card.

techtrancer

03-04-2017, 04:52 AM

did you plan also to test ryzen without HS?

chew*

03-04-2017, 04:54 AM

probably not. Its never benefitted cold in the past and I have a heavy load ln2 pot that I think can tame it but would certainly crush core.

SIOUX

03-04-2017, 06:06 AM

Lots of good info Chew..thx a lot :toast:

chew*

03-04-2017, 06:39 PM

Updated mother board rants. Tagged update in bold for easy reference.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5254424&viewfull=1#post5254424

For a blast from the past here is the main link to the gallery but the gallery is huge and kinda hard to navigate.

http://www.chew.ln2cooling.com/

chew*

03-04-2017, 07:36 PM

@ raiderman

For you buddies on notebook forum

Key thing to note is the best result was achieved by running bclock up with 2400 ram divider.

NB still is 1/1 with ram this way. Doing this tricks the timings that we have no access to into running tighter.

I suspected as much but since the board i'm stuck on for the moment lack bclock / ref clock whichever you prefer I could not confirm it. It's obviously confirmed now.

That is part of the performance deffeciency.

Furthermore yes there appears to be a scheduling issue in 10.....I personally have not upgraded myself to 10 ( I'm not a fan of anything MS till it has a SP1 under its belt ) but I have a copy for review purposes.

Those testing Win 7 are reporting 7-15% increase in performance.

I'm picking up a stack of spare hd's tomorrow to run multiple operating systems and compare MY own intel system in 3d applications across multiple OS.

Its antiquated by todays standards ( p67 2600K ) but it can do 4.5 4c/8t and 5.0 4c 24/7 reliably.

Pictures courtesy of elmor.
http://forum.hwbot.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5393&stc=1&d=1488554236

http://forum.hwbot.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5394&stc=1&d=1488554236

chew*

03-05-2017, 01:19 AM

can you vsr to 4k w/ the 290x's and note min fps please,I haven't seen multi monitor/gpu test

Totally missed this. I can get to the x fire 290xs eventually and i do have the right equipment to prevent throttling but its gonna be awhile. Must dismantle the case and water loop. Some idiot shoved it all in a 450D and made it fit :rolleyes: crappy pic http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/20170204_220429_zpsb0iwqfxx.jpg

Mine are not oced per say. I use LCS bios 1060/1350 and leave them alone. Both are high asic and do this without voltage. Peak is 1120/1500 no voltage which is why i use that bios. Puts me dead center middle of max stable.

Cant remember if my acer KG240A works @ 4k vsr but i will check.

You should keep in mind though that min gets worse oced max goes up when you get around throttling oced.

Tomb raider (rotr) benchmark is notorious for this. Drove me nuts

techtrancer

03-05-2017, 03:21 AM

Quote of TheStilt

In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

FlanK3r

03-05-2017, 04:26 AM

Briand, can you try last beta of AIDA, if memory tests are now fixed? (my CPU coming tomorow, but tomorow I must also finish some work with 7700K and Apex board)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?260770-Aida64&p=5254837#post5254837

chew*

03-05-2017, 04:28 AM

Would not surprise me but vulkan api/dx12 has everyone rushing to 10. Least on the amd front. Nvidia guys are not liking dx12 to much.

Yes flanker ill check it out. but most testing will be on hold till i get back from a trip. Have to shoot to PA overnight.

Raiderman

03-05-2017, 05:27 AM

@chew*

ajc9988 from @notebookreveiw

Yeah, I think he misread my post on the ryzen master. I was saying nevermind because the information originated from him, not because it didn't work. What brought it up was him talking of being tired and trying many different BIOS versions. I, too, was tired, hence not realizing my source of that information was him in the second post. A lot of miscommunication there (with me misreading causing the issue to begin with).

As to his abilities, I meant no offense. Thought I was addressing something he hadn't seen, not commenting on ability. I've seen his name floated places before and his reputation and regard with the overclocking community. So, please convey I meant no offense, just a miscommunication.

Edit:

Since I'm waiting for a binned chip, could you ask him to confirm the following info someone posted:

Well It turns out, its windows dault for the low performance!!!

Logical Processor to Cache Map:
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each zen thread is being registered as an individual core with its own L2 and L3 cache. i.e. totaling 136 MB cache!!. this is using Windows Sysinternals. This explains the SMT troubles in the event that a thread bounced to a HT thinking its the real deal.

Compare VS Intel

Logical Processor to Cache Map:
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chew*

03-05-2017, 05:31 AM

I look into it. This might explain a couple other weird issues.

Gorod

03-05-2017, 05:33 AM

chew* Thank you for testing Ryzen 1700 ! Time Spy physics score looking good , 4267MHz @ 9288 :up: If you have time please show Fire Strike physics score with maximum overclock :) Thank you

Andi64

03-05-2017, 09:39 AM

Hi Chew*

Quick question. Can you disable cores on UEFI? Or that option is not available yet?

chew*

03-05-2017, 09:54 AM

Yes down to 1 iirc lots of even combos

actually 2 my bad.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170305_134412_zpscmr8xjsf.jpg

Picked up some supplies from microcenter. Hopefully this stack of 5 hard drives is enough for now. Off to bed. need rest got a long drive early AM to beat traffic.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170305_134257_zpsx2ozxxwp.jpg

FlanK3r

03-05-2017, 11:48 AM

only 160 GB?:) (why 5x 160GB HDDs??)

I hope, you dont change trackball for a mouse ;):D

vario

03-05-2017, 12:06 PM

Did anybody did SMT off overclocking ? Any difference ?

Nelly

03-05-2017, 01:50 PM

chew*

03-05-2017, 03:22 PM

only 160 GB?:) (why 5x 160GB HDDs??)

I hope, you dont change trackball for a mouse ;):D

For testing only benching only. Cheaper the better

Raiderman

03-06-2017, 05:30 AM

lol, looks like the ole trackball has been replaced :shocked:

chew*

03-06-2017, 06:32 AM

Needed ps2 for something

chew*

03-06-2017, 06:35 AM

F3F Bios for the Gigabyte X370 Aorus Gaming 5 is available to download at the bottom of this review page >> https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/gigabyte_x370_aorus_gaming_5_aorus_review/16

F3F Bios link >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/i50bnuajzw6x0jk/AX370Gaming5.F3f?dl=0

F3f is old has base AMD agesa .
Despite date f3 is newer, f3n is newer.

F5c is newest with a change that did not work so can possibly cause an issue F5b is probably the safest and newest.

F3f was reviewers bios fyi.

I ditched it for publically available F3 for review.

F3n boots easier with certain modules

Bios after base agesa will have better effeciency

Aaronage

03-06-2017, 12:16 PM

Trying to track down these mythical AX370 Gaming 5 BIOS releases!

Gigabyte's website only offers the F3 BIOS at the moment - does anyone know where the other releases can be found?

chew*

03-06-2017, 03:15 PM

Ill ask if i can release tonight weekend they (HQ taiwan) were not responding.

They exist only in my emails :)

They are not magical btw so your not missing out on anything. As for mythical.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Timespy%20compare%203_zpsaeveftfu.jpg

StAndrew

03-06-2017, 05:49 PM

chew*

03-06-2017, 05:51 PM

40c idle cold air. Not sure i want to know what load was...
Keep in mind at 1.475 normal ambient i was seeing 60c idle with 1800x.

I am not afraid to find the breaking point. Its actually kind of the goal. Can it be broken and at what point. Dont know till you try.

Think the giga requires more volts to do xx frequency. It seems a tad more effec however. Thats a realistic outcome of that combination.

Or my chips just suck. @1.4 your looking at 3.9 1700,3.8 1700x, 3.9 1800x on my chips.

Then again i ran prime plus multiple threaded apps. I know im stable @ x volts x speeds

Lucky for me voltage is my friend

ZenEffect

03-06-2017, 05:54 PM

chew*

03-06-2017, 06:38 PM

Please do not pm for beta bios. The answer in pm is same here.

HQ gives ok i share. HQ says no i dont. If they saw no...likely a good reason..like killing hardware.

If I violate there trust. They dont work with me. I dont help to fix issues anymore. Domino effect ends up hurting community....want a good product with good bios support? Play by the rules

chew*

03-07-2017, 02:08 AM

F5c approved. Gaming 5 only....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6AQ-0rz14D5MGV1MWl0Ylp0MU0/view?usp=sharing

Aaronage

03-07-2017, 05:08 AM

F5c approved. Gaming 5 only....

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6AQ-0rz14D5MGV1MWl0Ylp0MU0/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for sorting that with Gigabyte, appreciate it :)

chew*

03-07-2017, 05:25 AM

Thanks for sorting that with Gigabyte, appreciate it :)

Np just need to be patient, giga does not work weekends and I need to be on Taiwan time to communicate with them and on eastern standard time so I usually have to sacrifice some sleep to do so.

chew*

03-07-2017, 06:20 AM

New workaround for SMT disabled core 0 bug with 1700 non X cpu.

CPU ratio AUTO
Set everything else in bios as you would normally including voltages required for your known stable target cpu clock.
Boot. Once on desktop open Ryzen Master. set all core multi to desired frequency. verify all cores is cpu-z are at target frequency.
Yes I know this is annoying but it works for now till we can fix it via multiplier from bios.
It will not be adjustable via ryzen master with a manual 40x multi.

This may work for other manufacturers, since I am not hands on yet obviously I can not confirm but some problems I have confirmed with others to be platform and not vendor specific.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/garret%20new%20f5c%20multi%20AUTO%20with%20ryzen%2 0master_zpsxinv6lk1.jpg

techtrancer

03-07-2017, 07:17 AM

Silicon Lottery:

Ryzen 7 1700
93% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
70% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1700X
100% reach 3.8GHz @ 1.360V CPU VCORE (Or less)
77% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.392V CPU VCORE (Or less)
33% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.424V CPU VCORE (Or less)

Ryzen 7 1800X
97% reach 3.9GHz @ 1.376V CPU VCORE (Or less)
67% reach 4.0GHz @ 1.408V CPU VCORE (Or less)
20% reach 4.1GHz @ 1.440V CPU VCORE (Or less)

chew*

03-07-2017, 07:23 AM

techtrancer

03-07-2017, 07:31 AM

chew*

03-07-2017, 07:40 AM

Still think 1700 is best. 93% do 100 MHz over rated turbo. that's a preety solid # not to mention lower leakage chips are more resilient to voltage and willing to accept voltage vs higher leakage. My 1700 can run stable at higher voltage.

The 1700x and 1800x reach a certain voltage and say FU after that point.

Of course this may change as I test more chips but for now.......

As we can see by that the % of higher models doing 100 MHz over there rated turbo drops significantly

Doing 4gig on a 1800x that has Xfr to 4.1 and turbo @4.0 is not spectacular. Not to mention the heat that will need to be dealt with.

Sux to be ln2 guys though. binning gonna be expensive.

chew*

03-07-2017, 08:20 AM

Think all Core, but don't know
And don't know How Silicon Lottery test them
Your Chip is preselected from AMD and the Chip's from Silicon Lottery are normal one
I think your can not compare with normal one

Long Time ago i bought 5 used Brisbane
Don't know before that they were Review samples
All of them scales better on v-Core than other Brisbane on hwbot

I've proved in the past and will prove it again. the chips amd sends me are nothing special.

Ill dig up an old thread to prove this and link it here, on my quest for 7 gig plus 955's I found them not in chips sent but in boxed OEM retails.

Myself and mad22 found our golden chips in retail.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?263319-Mythbusters-in-the-house/page2

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?264408-Finally-on-the-right-track

chew*

03-07-2017, 12:50 PM

Quote silicon lottery

Passed the ROG RealBench stress test for one hour with these settings:
40x CPU Multiplier
1.44VCPU VCORE (Or less)
LLC Level 3 (Asus Crosshair VI Hero)
Test equipment:
MotherboardAsus Crosshair VI Hero BIOS 0702
Memory: 2 X 8GB 2400MHz 15-15-15-35
Cooler: Corsair H105 AIO
Thermal Paste: Arctic MX-4
Ambient temperature: 22C

I'm going to DL this and correlate how it lines up with what I am doing for stress testing. In fact right now i'm retesting 1700 with smt off.

I know what is not stable so far so after I find what is stable I will start undervolting and see how low I can go with this "method" if at all.

BeepBeep2

03-07-2017, 01:52 PM

I've proved in the past and will prove it again. the chips amd sends me are nothing special.

Ill dig up an old thread to prove this and link it here, on my quest for 7 gig plus 955's I found them not in chips sent but in boxed OEM retails.

Myself and mad22 found our golden chips in retail.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?263319-Mythbusters-in-the-house/page2

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?264408-Finally-on-the-right-track
Got me feeling awfully nostalgic, never got to finish benching mine :o
http://hwbot.org/submission/2371807_beepbeep2_superpi___1m_phenom_ii_x4_955_be _9sec_875ms
http://hwbot.org/submission/2371818_beepbeep2_superpi___32m_phenom_ii_x4_955_b e_10min_15sec_547ms

Spring break in 2 weeks, might make a trip to airgas to finish what I started 4 years ago.

Ryzen has to wait for me, but I'm wondering how the 1700X and 1800X compare on LN2, considering 1700X is probably higher leakage bin(?)

cdawall

03-07-2017, 01:54 PM

Got me feeling awfully nostalgic, never got to finish benching mine :o
http://hwbot.org/submission/2371807_beepbeep2_superpi___1m_phenom_ii_x4_955_be _9sec_875ms
http://hwbot.org/submission/2371818_beepbeep2_superpi___32m_phenom_ii_x4_955_b e_10min_15sec_547ms

Spring break in 2 weeks, might make a trip to airgas to finish what I started 4 years ago.

Ryzen has to wait for me, but I'm wondering how the 1700X and 1800X compare on LN2, considering 1700X is probably higher leakage bin(?)

Both are high leak bins. The 1700X would be a weak clocking high leak bin, the 1800X a good clocking high leak bin and the 1700 being a low leakage part.

BeepBeep2

03-07-2017, 02:04 PM

Both are high leak bins. The 1700X would be a weak clocking high leak bin, the 1800X a good clocking high leak bin and the 1700 being a low leakage part.
You think so?

The Stilt ran tests with voltage scaling and it seems like 1800X are running higher than optimal voltage to reach those frequencies, so I'm not really sure if we can assume higher or lower leakage based on the clockspeed, TDP, and stock voltage differences. For example, I'm thinking an 1800X undervolted @ 1700 clocks could possibly run around the same power consumption as a 1700(?)
http://i.imgur.com/8Rch6JF.png
http://i.imgur.com/K9N5Aev.png

If the 1700X is just a part that can't meet the TDP target but scales with cold/higher voltage that's one thing, if it just clocks like s*it all around then I suppose that is another

chew*

03-07-2017, 02:08 PM

1700 has been doing very poor on ln2. Regardless of what testing on air proves it literally means nothing cold. Those who have had acess to bin alot of chips are using 1800x....not the 1700. Since they had acess to bin and they have been running cold. Id say they are better informed than those who have not run cold.

My 2c

High asic ( air water ) = low leakage

Low asic quality ( ln2 ) = high leakage

1800x choice chip used on ln2 thus far......

simple math 2+2 = 4

cdawall

03-07-2017, 02:13 PM

chew*

03-07-2017, 02:26 PM

OK well I got a baseline.........will be interesting. I ran prime and this. still running prime.

Regardless of possibly innacurate temp readings and all things aside......1700x and 1800x make my heatsink way hotter.

They make my pwm scorching hot.....the 1700 does not.......PWM cooking = power pulled is higher.....more power pulled is higher tdp....higher tdp at equal voltage .....high leakage parts

I am literally beating the crap out of the system and cpus way more than is recommended.

I clearly am not relying on one stress test I am combining them clearly to really piss these chips off so I am likely to be seeing more heat than most.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Rog%20whatever%20stress%20test_zpsbxxqxyoc.jpg

BeepBeep2

03-07-2017, 03:15 PM

To be fair they are all low leak chips the 1800x should however be more on the high leakage side than a 1700. I mean that is how binning works...

If you really look at the graph kicked out by stilt these chips shouldn't be clocked this high from the factory anyway. The vast majority of 1800X's would be equal to an Intel bin in the 3.3-3.4 range which is why they clock terribly.
Well, I think you know what I meant. 3.0-3.6 is a large difference, especially with the voltage scaling, so I don't think these necessarily have to be low-leakage binned parts to reach the 3.0 GHz base clock @ 65w TDP vs. the 3.6 @ 95w TDP, because those parts need to be rather efficient in the first place too to hit the 95w TDP target, and part of the reason they run hot is because the voltage is jacked sky high to hit those frequencies. What I was speculating was maybe that some of the 1700X can hit the same frequency, but higher leakage and can't meet TDP target or temperatures are too high on air and water, but might be gems under LN2(?)

Brian I'd be really interested in seeing 1700/1700X/1800X min voltage for 3.8 stable and temps at say, 3.8 1.35v if you have the time in the future.
I also heard about the 1700's not clocking well on LN2.

How bad is the VRM heat? I remember hitting ~100c on the VRM/PWMs with Bulldozer on water and 1.45v :eek:

Also, that is a bit of an odd trend with voltage tolerance, typically on Phenom II and Bulldozer parts the higher leakage CPUs were more tolerant to scaling with higher voltage whereas the low leakage chips would hit a wall and stop scaling sooner, at least on LN2. Maybe there is a temperature factor on air/water vs LN2? Like, my 6.9G 955 doesn't scale at all above 1.82v on LN2 but my 7G chip eats 1.9v easy.

cdawall

03-07-2017, 05:58 PM

Only time will tell, but with the clocks we are seeing on LN2 I don't know if any of the 1700X's are worth a :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

chew*

03-07-2017, 06:15 PM

Heat is bad enough to burn me with certain cpus installed.

Like i said my comparison is not by default vid. 1700 is way lower...im running all chips at identical volts...well +.0750mv on 1700 vs 1700x and 1800x.... Add 20c to my 1700 temps and those are my x chip temps equal volts.

Im not running a test at 3.8...time consuming i already ran 4.0 add 20c. Done.

Default vid is 1.2x on 1800x default vid is 1.0xx on 1700...

This just further supports my findings.

1700 scaling with voltage on air/water and likes it way more. Heat output despite this is less from heatsink...screw the temp monitor software..

1800x wants to be cold and refuses to scale otherwise. Yes i got to 4.2 at who knows how cold..for 40c idle with voltage highly advised against.

Between what im seeing and ln2 guys are seeing plus 1700 not liking voltage on ln2...the data is pretty compelling evidence.

The old way will no longer work. Turbo, dyanamic tdp, xfr and amd running a tight binning scheme has changed that method drastically.

Even BD was different...the way i had to bin changed and even then it was still somewhat of a crapshoot, turbo was most likely playing a factor in that...lowest vid sucked.

Old way worked for deneb thuban...

Ive played with enough silicon to understand it. Its a gift.

chew*

03-07-2017, 10:34 PM

Anyone want to question the validity of my idea of stable? speak now or forever hold your peace. Prime is running blend fwiw to stress cpu, imc and memory.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/smt%20disabled%20stable%20test_zpsjkb28jql.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/smt%20disabled%20stable%20test%20%202_zpsqfyiww1r. jpg

zanzabar

03-07-2017, 10:59 PM

do you think a micro code update can get you any more to play with or do we need a new stepping?

chew*

03-07-2017, 11:32 PM

Time with the process might see 100-200 but gonna need like a c3 type respin i'm thinking for anything significant without binning and luck.

Performance wise I'm preety certain an update can unlock hidden potential.

StAndrew

03-08-2017, 05:36 AM

do you think a micro code update can get you any more to play with or do we need a new stepping?

I've been thinking this as well. Overclocking Gulftown, I needed 1.45v to get 4.1 (HT on). Increasing clock amplitude and adjusting clock skew I was able to get to 4.2 on 1.37v :shrug:

I'm guessin when mobaord partners figure out the finner tuning of these CPU's we might see some marginal increase in clocks...

chew*

03-08-2017, 06:55 AM

Ok bored as hell stressing chip so figured i'd delve into this simple not really a big deal but otherwise annoying bug.

Seems it does not just effect gigabyte with smt off.

Anyway not sure if this is cpu-z issue or vendor issue but as you can see if effects all but normal cpu-z. Upon tabbing the core tab it shows only 2c/4t

obviously the normal cpu-z is reporting correctly.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/vendor%20cpu-z%20bug_zpsjxdwwcey.jpg

charged3800z24

03-08-2017, 08:14 AM

HMM, so it actually shows it as a two socket 4core setup i nthe other CPU-Z's?

chew*

03-08-2017, 08:31 AM

Ok so since this thing is almost done and we seem to have dialed in "preety" stable settings I say pretty stable as once again I find it important to point out that Prime 95 needs an update cache is reported wrong therefore may not be 100% reliable in testing yet.

But anyway lets call it pretty stable. Red apples to green apples pretty stable OC air vs 5 year stable AIO water OC ( its aio so seriously its quieter realistically a few degrees cooler ).

Specs wise looks like max realistic OC head to head is going to be 4.0 8 core versus 4.5 4c/8t. While seemingly not fair its not AMDS fault that sandy is not ddr 4 and likewise its not Intels fault AMD can't clock high.

Why not newer? Simple I don't have it and tbh I think many are still on sandy well at least the smart ones did not repeatedly upgrade for a couple frames per second....and lastly I want to see if this is an upgrade and if I will lose much in this configuration vs what I gain being able to swap to workstation mode with simply loading a bios profile.

Why 8 v 8? because in the games I play 16 is just dumb regardless of reviews I had full intention of gaming this way, when not gaming ill load a profile equivalent of the task needed...

Why not 4 v 8? well simple I use my PC for more than just gaming I run background apps don't need to close them it runs smoother this way. Want the choppy experience that's your choice.
I ran 5 gig 4 core for about a year I did not like how it ran.

So lets talk about the system.

ASUS M4E ( with awesome USB drop issue to this day )
Binned 2600K ( 56xx very very hot chip ) 4.5 @1.3v
Gskill trident 1866 8-9-9-34 2x8g ( its faster than the looser timing higher speed trident, want to debate go beat my sandy efficiency on hwbot with less clocks then we can debate my systems performance and my knowledge of system performance )
1200 watt quality PSU. if its quality it really wont matter, I'm not pulling the corsair just to match PSU's.
Fury X for both systems, top slot on M4E to avoid nf200 latency issues. Move on to other cards later.
Yes its going to be on AIO water h220X straight distilled, norprene, kill coil recently serviced for a fluid swap.
Monitor ACER KG240A
HD WD 160g per OS fresh installs per system.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170308_105240_zpsrhovgame.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170308_105300_zpsj3pw25yo.jpg

chew*

03-08-2017, 08:33 AM

HMM, so it actually shows it as a two socket 4core setup i nthe other CPU-Z's?

Shows if you tick the cores 2 physical cores not cpu's.

chew*

03-08-2017, 09:29 AM

Last chance to question my idea of stability.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/4.0%20smt%20off%2024h%20prime2_zpsgrjiqvqu.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/4.0%20smt%20off%2024h%20prime3_zps5u2tm5y7.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/4.0%20smt%20off%2024h%20prime4_zpszluuz0o3.jpg

chew*

03-08-2017, 10:55 AM

For those that asked.

The above Hard crashed @1.4250 v in less than 1hour.

It desktop crashed prime 95 @1.4375 in less than 3 hours.

It passed 24h plus kickers @1.4500 Peak temps sustained for periods of time 77c

Heres same settings 1.4250v silicon lottery test. Peak temp 66c

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Rog%20whatever%20stress%20test2_zpsfemxmhbz.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Rog%20whatever%20stress%20test3_zpskank6avv.jpg

chew*

03-08-2017, 04:30 PM

Reliable testing method we have yet to find > prime95 with kickers > prime 95 by itself> realbench.

I see some guys claiming what stilt and myself said about prime 95 on various forums.

Then they go on to say realbench is the best method.

I myself have definitely not said that realbench is reliable.

Clearly the above shows that is not the case.

We are concerned prime 95 is not enough stress...and the cache is wrong so it may not be using it all.

Without enough stress its still capable of crashing way before "realbench".

Do with this info as you will. Im not challenging silicon lottery. If they bin by this method it will still weed out the good from the bad.

If you run at the voltage they state your cpu passed at don't be surprised while playing bf1 and bragging about your new ryzen rig that you bsod and embarress yourself.

VietOZ

03-08-2017, 08:12 PM

Put it on WCG for a week, if it's not restart then it's stable :)

chew*

03-08-2017, 08:16 PM

Why do you think i test like this :)

You guys build systems to and most overlook that 24/7 mission critical stability.

Dave and i were preety close so always have kept crunching guys in mind.

VietOZ

03-08-2017, 08:20 PM

I was just joking :) try to get your ryzen on the team for a week :)
Just for those crunching guys out there who curious what Ryzen can do.
I can't speak for other projects, but on WCG the 1700 at Stock can produce about the same number with the xeon E5-2683 V3 14C/28T @ 2.3ghz turbo.
Which is about 17k - 22k Boinc points per day depending on the project you run and the OS you run. Linux is better.

techtrancer

03-08-2017, 09:45 PM

@chew

Have you Test 16x nuclearus with your stable Settings too?

chew*

03-08-2017, 10:18 PM

Not yet lots of stuff to do only 1 person. Key importance is IMC must be stressed not everything does that. Heat alone that just stresses core is what it is.

Updated gigabyte motherboard info. Mostly pointed out certain voltages what they do and how to set them.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?293130-Ryzen-Return-of-the-Jedi&p=5254425&viewfull=1#post5254425

22JHP

03-09-2017, 06:59 AM

http://i.hizliresim.com/1LryGN.jpg

are you kidding me?:p:

i've used stilt's bulldozer conditioner for superpi but your score(8.36) is amazing.i wonder ddr4 effects on this test?my poor ddr3 1600.

chew*

03-09-2017, 07:52 AM

I figure if I can get XP in tune OS like the below was tuned it will be 50% faster than llano which was the fastest cpc AMD chip prior to Ryzen and my favorite AMD chip until now. :hump:

This was not a best run but it was in a tuned OS
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/LLC%20competitor.jpg

chew*

03-09-2017, 08:16 AM

:bsod:

New bug found. when overclocked swapping hardrives around it won't boot from any until you clear cmos.

lowdog

03-09-2017, 05:35 PM

:bsod:

New bug found. when overclocked swapping hardrives around it won't boot from any until you clear cmos.

Lol yes bugs galore with bios, I'm having equal fun with the MSI Titanium with a plethora of debug codes after trying different hardware and bios setting......lol not that bad really ;) lot of cmos clearing going on though :clap:

Can get my 1700 to 3.9GHz with 1.320Vcore and NB 1.1V with LLC - 4 stable now. Can do Corsair Vengeance LXP 3200 rams 2 x 8GB @ 2933MHz and Corsair Vengeance LED 3000 rams 2 x 16GB @ 2666MHz so far and that's it!!.......has a squeal about it a bootup with six long beeps :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::shakes: but runs fine after that. More fun to be had. :D

VRM gets hot running Prime need to put a fan on heatsink when stressing it but in games and for general use with these settings VRM shouldn't break a sweat :up:

techtrancer

03-09-2017, 09:50 PM

@Chew

X370 Taichi & Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming has IR35201 (6x6+2x2) CSD 87350

Https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146-4.html#post25381113

chew*

03-09-2017, 10:45 PM

@Chew

X370 Taichi & Fatal1ty X370 Professional Gaming has IR35201 (6x6+2x2) CSD 87350

Https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146-4.html#post25381113

Told you no such thing as 12 or 16 or 8 phase

:D

Had a feeling it was 6+6

Asrock told me only difference between taichi and fatality is audio. Fatality boards audio is better quality = more expensive

techtrancer

03-10-2017, 12:52 AM

ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero Extreme Overclocking Guide (Updated to v0.4)

http://overclocking.guide/asus-rog-crosshair-vi-hero-extreme-overclocking-guide/

High REFCLK is fine with most devices. Above ~105 MHz you need to drop to PCI-E Gen 2 which lowers your bandwidth slightly, but very few devices drop in actual performance.

Best performance with Samsung B-die is achieved at 145 MHz REFCLK with 2400 DRAM ratio (3480 MHz) at 11-10-10-10-22 timings. Alternatively 135 MHz REFCLK with 2666 DRAM ratio and 11-11-11-11-22 timings. This depends on the CPU/MB/DRAM capability."

chew*

03-10-2017, 12:57 AM

Yah thats not much of a concern...dropping to gen 2 in xfire,sli however devices may not like pci...and corrupt data and or break.

In the past like very distant past i found the nvidia cards more resillient to higher pci then Ati cards. No clue what the current cards can tolerate however.

If you recall in order to clock high on bloomfield (i7 920) it required pci around 115.

So there is a happy balance that might be had for 24/7 usage vs just shear benching.

Luckily i bought a stack of hardrives i can kill to find out

Ket

03-10-2017, 06:30 AM

I.nfraR.ed

03-10-2017, 06:38 AM

Finally managed to recover my account, thanks to @FUGGER.
Glad to see AMD section getting active again.

Personally I got CH6H and two CPUs: 1700 and 1800X. The higher binned one is definitely hotter than the 1700, but clocks better.
The supplied Wraith Spire box cooler is quite nice, though.
Still haven't managed to boot 3600MHz, max for now is 3440 CAS12. Board works quite nice with Samsung B-Die chips, 3200MHz is not a problem.

As for the PCI-E, I have a proven combo - 8500GT and ADATA SSD which are tested numerous times for speeds at 145+ MHz PCI-E.
Generally any Nvidia 8xxx card should be fine. Don't know about newer ones.

https://s15.postimg.org/i8z8gdw4b/cachemem.png

PS: 11-11-11 should work too, or even 11-10-10. Just like in the Asus guide. Tested this in a little lower speed and had no improvement in aida, however I haven't measured this with any other application.

PS2: Some fun fact. I had Win7 x64 installed on the Z270 (Asus Apex) and it also has AsMedia controller, so drivers were there.
Connected the SSD to the Hero and it booted. Plugged keyboard and mouse in the black USB ports, the OS automatically installed the drivers and voila - I had a working system.

FlanK3r

03-10-2017, 06:43 AM

Chew*: U slept in Carizzo time, quickets AMD CPU before Ryzen :) 32M around 12min at 4 GHz

chew*

03-10-2017, 07:08 AM

Chew*: U slept in Carizzo time

I was not sleeping. I was expanding my knowledge of the force :D

chew*

03-10-2017, 07:11 AM

Finally managed to recover my account, thanks to @FUGGER.
Glad to see AMD section getting active again.

Personally I got CH6H and two CPUs: 1700 and 1800X. The higher binned one is definitely hotter than the 1700, but clocks better.
The supplied Wraith Spire box cooler is quite nice, though.
Still haven't managed to boot 3600MHz, max for now is 3440 CAS12. Board works quite nice with Samsung B-Die chips, 3200MHz is not a problem.

As for the PCI-E, I have a proven combo - 8500GT and ADATA SSD which are tested numerous times for speeds at 145+ MHz PCI-E.
Generally any Nvidia 8xxx card should be fine. Don't know about newer ones.

https://s15.postimg.org/i8z8gdw4b/cachemem.png

PS: 11-11-11 should work too, or even 11-10-10. Just like in the Asus guide. Tested this in a little lower speed and had no improvement in aida, however I haven't measured this with any other application.

Thx for the confirmation on nvidia card. Once learned its hard to forget old tricks.

Stilt said he ran into an issue on an m2 card. I got an old ssd that i dont care about and craigslist is my friend for older junk vgas :)

Nice to see you again btw.

I need to verify uber stress stability once i have access to a board with ref clock.

chew*

03-10-2017, 07:24 AM

Chew, you'll want to look in on the Gigabyte Aorus Gaming 5 review I'm doing. Just been able to add the first lot of benchmarks, there is a extremely bad memory latency bug. I'm not talking about people complaining about 100-80ns depending on the memory speed, I'm talking well over 300ns that absolutely demolishes the performance of any application that leans on the memory system. By all means tell Gigabyte they can contact me and I will help them iron out all of the UEFI issues I'm finding.

Preety much memory and all timings we have acess to currently is controlled by gigabyte, asus, msi, asrock and the rest.

The ability to load xmp and works from one board and not in another is vendor support for the most part. Of course pay attention to qvl.

The rest is locked down via agesa code. Vendors do not have access.

Think of it like this. 2 bios. One is vendor one is AMD.

If you have to power off system completely and clear cmos to solve a problem....its likely agesa related and effects all vendors.

Example getting SMT back after testing smt disabled requires a hard power off.

Ive talked to quite a few vendors. Now at this point I just talk to another and have them verify they experience same issue.

If so then reporting issue to vendor X and chasing down a ghost bug is pointless as it is not in the board but the agesa

Very aware but hands tied.

If you run ito an issue try to hard clear with power off.

AMD is working on it and aware.

robbicfc

03-10-2017, 07:40 AM

Some of the MB manufacturers are kicking off :) MB manufacturers kicking off a little (http://www.legitreviews.com/one-motherboard-maker-explains-why-amd-am4-boards-are-missing_192470)

Ket

03-10-2017, 07:47 AM

Of course I'm aware of the QVL, the memory being used in the review system should be compatible at least to a large degree it's F4-3200C15D-16GVK which AFAIK is Samsung ICs. I'll have to forego a detailed look at anything UEFI and overclocking related as the Gaming 5, along with pretty much any other AM4 board I've looked at / tested, just isn't ready. AMD and mainboard manufacturers are both kinda passing the blame to each other. I tend to look at things as mainboard manufacturers knew AM4 was coming but instead of putting the time in to it they should of, they were focusing on intel Z270 boards instead.

chew*

03-10-2017, 07:56 AM

I'm just pointing out there are multiple factors at play. If you read other end user reports many can not even do spd. Nor could they in reviews.

I appear to be one of the luckier ones and have been able to get 3 sets running just fine at spd so it seems just from my point of view that its not all bad on the gaming 5 board.

I'll throw some stuff up in a little bit with 3 diff sets all quite different ICs.

Ket

03-10-2017, 08:11 AM

I know, I'm not being moody just saying :) The conclusion when I actually get to it at this rate is going to be the longest conclusion I've ever written without a doubt.

chew*

03-10-2017, 09:58 AM

I ran a bunch but not these particular tests before I wrote review.

recommending wrong memory timings/speeds to my fellow members would not be cool.

I just ran this off once on the gskill stock ( need them not broken yet for reliable testing )

Memory tuning and overclocking on the gigabyte has been hassle free for me, board does well no complaints there. My complaint is 5 timings. All boards have this problem ( Agesa )

And then I went off grid out of spec with the corsairs. Providing they are a set that is qvl I find they are very responsive to tuning although seems that odd Cas latency is out of wack right now even manual or xmp setting 15 applies to C16 in windows. This is new in F5c so ill look into it.

I saw no latency out of wack if I was "stable"

Heres some quick tests albeit software may not report correctly on ryzen to compare vs others the scaling on ryzen with different settings should be accurate when comparing ryzen to ryzen

Gskill XMP
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/gskill%20XMP_zpsxxvozudf.jpg

Corsair XMP
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/corsair%20XMP_zpss0ola37o.jpg

These are really really budget sticks AMD sent for reviewers. The fact that I can do anything with them is well preety impressive.

Corsair default speed tighter
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/corsair%20XMP%20out%20of%20spec_zps3gwlxwzl.jpg

Corsair tight and low
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/corsair%20XMP%20out%20of%20spec2_zpsfbauaglt.jpg

metal409

03-10-2017, 12:16 PM

chew*

03-10-2017, 12:22 PM

Been lurking this thread and appreciate all the info and testing going on. I have a dumb question, does Gigabyte plan to add a bios option for disabling the onboard audio on the ax370 gaming 5 or is it not possible because of the dual codecs?

I have requested the ability to disable all onboard devices for various reasons. some may want an external sound card.

Some may want to OC and play around ( if it had ref clock high pci could potentially break stuff )

The ability to shut off devices while not in use has benefits in many applications.

Preety much all vendors should be doing this, I'm not sure if they are or if they can yet.

chew*

03-10-2017, 02:43 PM

Testing suspended till i get another board.

Died at stock with xmp after a shutdown to swap hard drives. No clue if took hardware with it. Hit power button and it freaked out.

Power switch immediately just shuts back off after a second.

Posts to bios still if power button is held down but port 80 is blank...pulsing my power supply when nothing is installed in the board.

Spins fury x fan when power supply is switched on but board is not on.

Pulled all hardware out not risking it.

Pending further investigation.

Off to work.

Will dig out my dmm later when get home to verify it was not psu.

Fwiw the thermaltake 1200 is freaking out if i plug it in also.

techtrancer

03-11-2017, 04:48 AM

@chew

Can you change tRC in bios
Because the PII Need less CPU-NB whan tRC was highest and so they were much cooler and get higher clocks
Also prefere the CPU-NB from less RAM voltage and need les CPU-NB whan it was lowest
And the FX needs less V-Core if tRC was highest
Also a Little bit less CPU-NB, but not so much like the PII

chew*

03-11-2017, 04:51 AM

Upon investigation i can find nothing wrong with psu and hard drive.

I also see no signs of any failed components on the board.

Think it was just a freak accident. Some chip was probably partially defective.

It can still be posted and get into bios by holding power button down so its not all dead. Just half dead.

No clue.

Ill send it back to gigabyte for inspection.

chew*

03-11-2017, 04:57 AM

Trc is only changeable by using higher ram divider. Lower divider lower trc higher divider higher trc.

Like most have said on all boards 5 main timings available only.

techtrancer

03-11-2017, 05:05 AM

Maybe You Need less v-Core / CPU-NB with higher dividier
You can test it If you are motivated
Did the bios use than tRC from SPD?
Because Maybe modify the SPD can helps

chew*

03-11-2017, 06:01 AM

Nope trc is not matching SPD.

The agesa is controlling it all and it is doing it via memory divider chosen.

Cant test anything atm. Not till i go grab a board but hesitant to do so. Only boards that i can get in stock today that support 3200 memory do not list my sets as qvl.

The others claim 2933 and lower.

chew*

03-11-2017, 07:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8tIk5v6JnE&feature=youtu.be

chew*

03-11-2017, 03:30 PM

OK so that was fun.

Took a trip to microcenter.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_132932_zpsem272frv.jpg

Remembered to take a pic of rig on display this time

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_133211_zps4ukqg9wv.jpg

Then I bought this for a few reasons.

#1 dirt cheap there was a MSI tomahawk also but $7 more and then the asrock fatality was like $109 new only
#2 based on qvl I felt it was the best fit for my Samsung based IC's, both asrock and the msi seem to be Hynix biased based on qvl.
#3 I'm grass roots I don't care what it is I will overclock it.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_150149_zpscrnrkvkx.jpg

The NVidia card is for some high PCI endeavors. I love my clearance items.......cheap paste for a lot of cpu swaps. .
The cheaper the better when swapping cpu's out to test stuff.

Same hardware that system died on intentionally to see if something broke and or something caused the other board to break.
I think just the board had a freak accident as all is well.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_151025_zpssq8glzkz.jpg

Up and running in no time.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170311_162618_zpssabfiqlp.jpg

Now sometimes its not the size that matters but the functionality and bios tuning.

I'm not telling you all to go out and buy this and you can run 4.1

All I'm saying is I think the top tier boards with lackluster memory support better get there acts together.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Garys%20lil%20kid_zpsvli7vao4.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Garys%20lil%20kid2_zpsc60p0mp1.jpg

msimax

03-11-2017, 07:44 PM

:eek:

cdawall

03-11-2017, 08:29 PM

What were they cooling the CPU with in the Microcenter build? That is one of the ones I am competing against lol

chew*

03-12-2017, 02:15 AM

ek block on water

I.nfraR.ed

03-12-2017, 04:30 AM

Wow, mem scores are impressive. I can't catch that with Hero even with better clocks and tighter timings.
Can you run MemTweakIt and show the subtimings?

It seems there's much to be optimized on the Crosshair board.
This is by far the best performance I've seen so far.

PS: Actually I forgot to set Performance Bias to aida/geekbench in bios. Now it is much better.
Edit 2: hmm, I think it ight be a bug - got it once to 67GB read, once to 99GB, but other times it is similar to what I've tested before, no matter performance bias option in bios.

techtrancer

03-12-2017, 04:51 AM

Are the 1.069v real?

chew*

03-12-2017, 06:23 AM

No its about 1.475 the voltage is reporting wrong. They know so should be fixxed soon.

chew*

03-12-2017, 06:27 AM

Will run it back to back double check the results. I set my timings manually. Docp was causing me cold boot problems with my oc settings. I think the auto docp paired with manual cpu oc was having conflicts. I set manually boots every time now.

No debug and my port 80s are not working makes for fun diagnotics.

Currently as it stands based on research of boards, manuals, specs, performance, bios i stick by my reccomendation of using a 1700.

What i would change suggestion wise is if running stock speeds and not planning to overclock with a single gpu....screw x370 boards.

Go buy a b350 based on the features that fits your needs best. I think you could even get away with a reasonable oc maybe 3.7-3.8. But 4gig 24/7 well just look at pwm...your asking for problems..

Total cost of this particular setup is $550 cpu motherboard and memory....i think the fury X costs more than the platform by itself..

AlleyViper

03-12-2017, 07:45 AM

chew*

03-12-2017, 08:51 AM

Might these B350 be OK to hold a 6C/12T at ~3.9-4.0 (assuming they'll overclock the same, not more) during prolonged stress testing?
Honestly I'm a bit surprised that there are no B350 boards with more/redundant phases, unlike what happened before on entry 990FX/X or top 970 models at a <130e budget. These had 8+2 or 6+2 pwm setups inherited from previous 890FX models, while the newer pricier top FX models had revised pwm to account for bulldozers. It's weird to see only ~4+2 AM4 boards on that price range now.

Tough call. I still probably would not attempt prime 95. What you could do is run cinebench back to back to back. when you don't crash anymore drop it 100 mhz. call it stable. 3 chips have all done prime 95 100mhz under my solid back to back cinebench spam.

chew*

03-12-2017, 08:58 AM

Ok infrared

Heres your tests.

First 3 back to back, the 2nd and 3rd was done with cpu-z and memtweakit and maxmem open.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared1_zpscisxr2nb.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared2_zpsz4fmzwqr.jpg
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared3_zpsf1etmavg.jpg

This was done next after reboot just trying to find a inconsistency between boots or whatever way possible.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared4_zps1heghojj.jpg

Then I tried sucking in timings.......seems at 32x cas latency is a victim of an autorule.......I have seen this on more than 1 board.....so most likely (AGESA) can not do 12 or 10 or 11. 13 works but does not apply.

Seems the platform likes even timings vs odd......still up for debate as I test across boards.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared5_zps20bcrvfz.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/Infrared6_zpszxs2qi0w.jpg

I.nfraR.ed

03-12-2017, 10:05 AM

Thanks.

Unfortunately my board (Crosshair VI) seems to be dead. Lights up the buttons, but does not react on anything. Bios flashback button doesn't work too (no light).

chew*

03-12-2017, 10:33 AM

Thanks.

Unfortunately my board (Crosshair VI) seems to be dead. Lights up the buttons, but does not react on anything. Bios flashback button doesn't work too (no light).

Was that under ln2 or pre ln2?

I.nfraR.ed

03-12-2017, 10:44 AM

LN2, but I was just starting to see what the chip likes.
Nothing was wet, not visually burnt elements, voltages were not that high - 1.6V cpu, 1.2V SOC, 2.2 PLL, 1.3V SB.
I updated to 0902, which is supposed to fix the brick situation. After a failed overclock I rebooted manually, then it shut off and now nothing happens when I press the Power button.

Teared the rig down, everything was nice and dry. Bios flashback button does nothing, does not even lights up. Removed every component - cpu, ram, ssd, vga, usb devices, so it is just a bare board with PSU connected - no reaction. PSU is fine, just checked with Apex. Hopefully it is just the board, because the CPU seems promising.

Not sure if that's the EC firmware corrupt or something else.

chew*

03-12-2017, 10:47 AM

Well as ive been saying there are like two bios one is on chip one is vendor. As you beat the cpu up on chip who knows what can happen.

I will obviously get to this eventually but for now i think i will wait and help iron out the problems for the mainstream.

The more reliable it is at normal temps hopefully will carry over to cold.

I.nfraR.ed

03-12-2017, 10:56 AM

FUGGER writes about something similar on his board - no post when hitting power button and it did similar thing to mine before dying.
I just really hope the cpu is fine, will return the board for RMA obviously, but there's no stock at the moment, so don't know how much I will have to wait :(

chew*

03-12-2017, 10:58 AM

Weird stuff happens with these cold apparently.

easyrider

03-12-2017, 01:12 PM

Can anyone do a prime95 1 hour run and report back with temps please?

Small FFT

Thanks

http://i.imgur.com/FAyUq9i.gif

chew*

03-12-2017, 02:12 PM

Can anyone do a prime95 1 hour run and report back with temps please?

Small FFT

Thanks

On a b350?

the question is rather vague volts speed etc......

on x370 ive done hours w/temps in pics.......just look through thread.

easyrider

03-12-2017, 03:19 PM

On a b350?

the question is rather vague volts speed etc......

on x370 ive done hours w/temps in pics.......just look through thread.

Hi Mate

Can you link to them I cant find them?

easyrider

03-12-2017, 03:20 PM

chew*

03-12-2017, 03:38 PM

What are these results based on? Cheers

That's silicon lottery results from binning.

chew*

03-12-2017, 03:42 PM

Hi Mate

Can you link to them I cant find them?

Its only on page 1 like first result in review ;) look harder

Prime 95 2hours in temp readings, I think now you can start to see one of the limitations. Oddly enough heat out of the heatsink feels like 40-45c. My 290x's in crossfire on water dump 50C loaded after a few hours. I'm very familiar with what the temp feels like. This feels cooler.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/3990%201700%20prime%20stable%202h%20temps_zpsqawja ewu.jpg

Highest ive seen 77C if testing 24/7 stability good cooling good paste good mount.

Ive seen much worse bad mount and or excessive voltage.

easyrider

03-12-2017, 03:53 PM

Its only on page 1 like first result in review ;) look harder

Prime 95 2hours in temp readings, I think now you can start to see one of the limitations. Oddly enough heat out of the heatsink feels like 40-45c. My 290x's in crossfire on water dump 50C loaded after a few hours. I'm very familiar with what the temp feels like. This feels cooler.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/3990%201700%20prime%20stable%202h%20temps_zpsqawja ewu.jpg

Highest ive seen 77C if testing 24/7 stability good cooling good paste good mount.

Ive seen much worse bad mount and or excessive voltage.

Did 4ghz require a big bump in vcore then?

easyrider

03-12-2017, 03:54 PM

That's silicon lottery results from binning.

Linky? Forgive me if this is a stupid question. :)

chew*

03-12-2017, 03:58 PM

www.siliconlottery.com ?

chew*

03-12-2017, 04:00 PM

Did 4ghz require a big bump in vcore then?

preety much will most likely for all chips.

I would not exceed 1.50v for 24/7 stability testing. I personally don't feel the gains are worth it plus the chips just really don't like it.

NEOAethyr

03-13-2017, 01:02 AM

I'm noticing that the l3 cache write speeds in aida64 are up and down alot with what I'm seeing with the pics you guys are posting.
I'm not sure if there's something to that or not.

Also, I don't know if you guys heard, but there's supposedly some kind of sleep bug going on with these boards.
The one dude that found it, has his rig at 4ghz, after sleep and wakeup, it changes to 4.2ghz and "seems" stable.
I wonder what would happen with a much higher clock on ln2, maybe possible to get 5.5ghz?
Or dead parts lol, who knows...

One more thing, if there is truly a rom of sorts on the cpu...
Getting it super cold could cause the chip to keep data when it's supposed to be changed.
The only reason I know is because I saw some goofy video some years back on spying, people would take out the ram and put it in cold ice or something, and replace the ram with there own, so that they could grab the mem contents.
Kinda of a weird thing but just saying, rom's and ram, when they get cold, they retain data to the extreme I guess.
So if for example, you bsod and have to reset the cmos on a ln2 session, the reset might not apply correctly.
I don't know for sure, just saying this could be a possibility.

chew*

03-13-2017, 02:26 AM

The l3 is buggy in version we are using. Only l3 is fixed in new version. Non issues. Does not effect read write copy. Plus we have tested same version.

We are both on asus. Sleep bug non existant not to mention hpet is on and in performance mode on sleep does not happen.

robbicfc

03-13-2017, 03:16 AM

@Chew - you are a bad man :). I had put a Ryzen build off for a couple of months but have found pricing for the B350 to be practically irresistible @ roughly €100, €375 for a Rz1700 and some memory and I can start playing at under €600 + I have a couple of Sabertooth (R2 and R3) and a couple of FX's to that €600 to bring it down even further.

Interesting to note that Asus have a message on the spec page for the board reading like this

"1*Due to the limitation of AMD Ryzen™ processors, memory frequencies higher than DDR4 2666 MHz are supported only when using one DIMM."

Looks like you have blown that away with the TridentZ you are using.

chew*

03-13-2017, 05:35 AM

@Chew

Read the qvl for the board. Quite a few sets of over 3200 work even shows dual channel. Im betting thats a CYOA move as it seems some cpus imc are not great.

Its preety odd to say the least but when shopping for low end x370 i was seeing not so good qvl listings.

2933 at best.

3 b350 boards in 3 different brands qvl 3200 np

vario

03-13-2017, 07:59 AM

Read the qvl for the board. Quite a few sets of over 3200 work even shows dual channel. Im betting thats a CYOA move as it seems some cpus imc are not great.

Its preety odd to say the least but when shopping for low end x370 i was seeing not so good qvl listings.

2933 at best.

3 b350 boards in 3 different brands qvl 3200 np

People with contact at MB makers should make a case with mb manufacturers, for a B350 mobo with some quality components ,good PWM and more sata ports.
I dont need leds or fancy looking stuff, i also dont really need x370 or sli .A mobo which you could recommend to anyone not doing world records on phase or Ln2 but with solid Oc on air and water.As ryzen is multimedia oriented, there should be 8/10 sata ports 2m2, dts .This kind of mobo would sell well .Wonder if there are more models in the making, or for what we see is what we get.

chew*

03-13-2017, 08:03 AM

I can try and ask but obviously the company will want a profitable product.

A beefy pwm simple short and sweet b350 would probably be easy enough but it would put its cost closer to low end x370.

I kinda have one upset with me right now so i think they are out of the question for the time being...

Its not easy being brutally honest, someones bound to take offense but thats just me being me.

How they choose to interpret it can be critical. They can take it offensively or constructively.

The latter of which can only bring better products to us.

chew*

03-13-2017, 10:15 AM

Checked memory compatibility on ASUS b350-plus today.

As I suspected QVL being biased towards Samsung has its costs......Avoid Hynix based Ic's on this board.

Luckily the Samsung based IC's offer better timings @ better speeds anyway so really not a big deal unless your trying to be super cheap about using this board.

chew*

03-14-2017, 11:47 AM

Fyi there is a clue as to what happened. I'm going to look into it further. PS/2 drop is to much of a coincidence.

Laymans terms PS/2 operates off 5v and ground.

Time to get technical :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRuV1g7X18

EDIT Ok so confirmed 5v and ground on ps2 so that was a dead end. Tired dig deeper after some sleep.

chew*

03-15-2017, 11:24 PM

Ok insomnia Wins but made some progress. Found a hot spot.

The culprit is in this area. I'll poke around with the dmm tomorrow.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170316_031637_zpshgpt8pcp.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-03/20170316_031721_zpsywz6ng9w.jpg

I.nfraR.ed

03-17-2017, 12:35 PM

Ok, I now know how this aida bug happens.
Here I've booted with 22.5 multiplier and then raised in Windows.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=132231&d=1489782875

On the other hand, I can share info about 4x8GB B-die (the screenshot above is also with 4 slots populated).
On Asrock AB350 Fatal1ty K4 I couldn't boot above 2400 divider.
On Crosshair it was possible to boot 2666 with standard dividers.
Raising bclk I could boot 3133MHz with lower dividers. To get 3200 I had to raise it in Windows.
Can't set lower than CAS14 with 4 slots populated.

RAM is 2x8GB 3600C17 and 2x8GB 3733C17.

chew*

03-17-2017, 05:33 PM

Yep i had charged do via same method. Seems msi is not affected like the asus by that bug.

In other news i preety much pinned down the issue with my gaming 5. I want to give them sometime to look into it however.

I have a theory on how as well but lets see what they say first.

Im preety confident it would be impossible to hard mod mine back to life or i would have done it already. :D

MattiasNYC

03-18-2017, 01:19 PM

So I have two questions for those in the know.....:

1. Am I understanding it correctly that as we pack the boards with more memory the maximum speed at which we can run the memory decreases? I mean, generally speaking....

I'm am still cautious about a new purchase since I actually have to make money off of the next machine I get, and this is an issue that might concern me. I'd ideally want no less than 8GB per stick and at least 16GB to start. But now I'm sort of fearing that I'd be stuck at significantly lower speeds if I eventually move to 32GB RAM.

2. I get that the fabric that connects the CCXs is tied to memory speed and also PCIe. What I'm still a bit uncertain of is under just what condition PCIe 3.0 throttles down to 2.0. (?)

If anyone could either briefly explain it or point me in a good direction I'd be happy...

chew*

03-18-2017, 03:23 PM

Ok infra you got 4x4 covered. I will put in work with double sided B die 2x16g.

Got a good deal on these and since this seems to be a bigger topic than I expected......

Keep in mind this is a little B350 so....

No post 2933, no post 3200.

No post 2666 14-14-14
No post 2666 12-12-12

But at least i'm maxxing out AMDs recently announced spec for this config. Anyway i'm looking into it Mattias but as I feared double sided will be a tad troublesome.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g_zpsd3xijyzy.jpg

drmrlordx

03-18-2017, 06:37 PM

Question: are you doing all your RAM tweaking in UEFI, or are you using Ryzen Master?

chew*

03-18-2017, 09:32 PM

Bios currently,

Ok so there is room for improvement in bios updates.

This one is rather flaky USB wise (beta) but there is a performance gain so they did not just slack something to run tighter.

Still can't run higher, that could be cpu specific however.

2933 16-16-16 :down: DS 32g
2666 12-12-12 :down: DS 32g
2666 14-14-14 :up: DS 32g

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20new%20bios_zpsldcvq7kf.jpg

Raiderman

03-19-2017, 06:15 AM

Has anyone seen this? Prime95 for Ryzen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/608lis/prime95_for_ryzen_released_link_fixed/

chew*

03-19-2017, 10:13 AM

Thx for the heads up. Maybe i can get it to trigger imc/memory errors now instead of just bsods.

I.nfraR.ed

03-19-2017, 04:34 PM

cdawall

03-19-2017, 06:25 PM

Some interesting RAM clocks :) Things are getting better...

3733 is the maximum I can get at the moment, regardless of timings. Mem has XMP at 3733, not sure if there's any connection.
Going to try a different multiplier soon.

https://i.imgur.com/GLkyafC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kD7RCWM.png

That is the highest I was able to boot into windows at with my 3600 kit (albeit at looser timings than yours), I was not stable for usage so didn't bother posting when I did my run through. Have you had a chance to 32m those settings? I am curious if my chip sucked and what BIOS are you on?

drmrlordx

03-19-2017, 09:19 PM

That's impressive. Are you running any SATA devices at that bclk? What did you have to tweak to get it running that high?

I.nfraR.ed

03-20-2017, 12:52 AM

Bios 1001. Running SATA3 SSD (Adata S511).
Turned off everything I could in bios and also had to set maxmem in windows (Just like on Kaby), otherwise it was unstable.
VGA is proven to work with really high PCI-E clocks, so no problem here. I can max out PCI-E on my 790FXB-M2RSH and the card is still stable.
This is a "known" fact that 8xxx nvidia series handle this very well. Not sure about other series, haven't tested much when there's a proven solution.
On the other hand I could not find any single secondary voltage that helps with mem clocks.

I didn't check 32M, only ran R15 and aida64.

Things are definitely getting better, Asus being ahead of competition. Hopefully it is possible to add higher mem dividers and unlock the subtimings, so we can tweak on low bclk as well.

chew*

03-20-2017, 04:44 AM

My ch6 is on the way. See if i can duplicate this with DR sticks. Being dual rank im not expecting as high clocks....rated speed @ rated voltage would be nice.

vario

03-20-2017, 07:27 AM

@ I.nfraR.ed

Realistically (stable) speaking , how far someone with 4x8gb B-die can expect to get ? Freq wise and Cas wise ?
@3000 Cas 14 may be doable ? Or even 3200 ?

chew*

03-20-2017, 09:02 AM

Hey infra can you do me a favor. No ref clock. Baby steps and boot. Try 14-14-14-32 default ram speed. Reboot then 2666. Reboot baby step down 14-12-12-12 reboot then 14-11-11-28. Keep stock volts. Once it posts reliably baby stepping down to those timings set your cpu clocks and voltages. Lmk how you make out.

chew*

03-20-2017, 10:43 AM

Ok so I did some investigating.

I am NOT CLAIMING STABILITY yet. I am just merely testing the limits of the IMC with Dual Rank dimms.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20prime_zpshoryydcv.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20prime%202_zps5tx7yhti.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20prime%203_zpsacmgk1id.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20prime%204_zpsp44ntbim.jpg

As we can see in this screenshot I have either found the limit of ram @ 1.35v or a IMC limitation.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/RYZEN/32g%20prime%205%20%20crash_zpspduysuzz.jpg

cdawall

03-20-2017, 03:13 PM

I got a new board in. Turns out I still hate it. Even using 1001 for a BIOS it is still junk IMO. I have never seen shenanigans like this even with ES chips on prerelease AM3 boards.

chew*

03-20-2017, 03:59 PM

I got a new board in. Turns out I still hate it. Even using 1001 for a BIOS it is still junk IMO. I have never seen shenanigans like this even with ES chips on prerelease AM3 boards.

Ill trade you a slightly alive gaming 5 :D

cdawall

03-20-2017, 04:17 PM

Ill trade you a slightly alive gaming 5 :D

I am up to two dead CHVI's lol

charged3800z24

03-20-2017, 05:36 PM

I love my Tomahawk! :P

chew*

03-20-2017, 06:08 PM

I love my Tomahawk! :P

:up:

cdawall

03-20-2017, 08:06 PM

Isn't that one of the ones that can't handle full wattage of an overclocked chip?

chew*

03-20-2017, 08:36 PM

Isn't that one of the ones that can't handle full wattage of an overclocked chip?

Just about any B350 is weak overclocked but I can kick peoples azz on it with memory tuning, fun stuff.

chew*

03-21-2017, 12:34 AM

Ok here goes Its ugly cas latency but working is better than not working.

ONCE AGAIN IMC EXPLORATION ONLY. NOT CLAIMING STABILITY

There appears to be a CL hole between 14-17 not to mention odds are not even applying with certain dividers currently.

I see no reason why these sticks can not do 2933 at cas 14-17 other than a hole.

I skipped 18-16-16 testing as I saw no point but I can revisit it later.

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2989937/

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2989938/

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2989939/

once again 18-10-10 was problematic.

Based on these findings and the above findings @ 2600 speeds I had a funny feeling that AMD killed the 10 subtiming support lvl.

I had a set of corsair platinums that after recent agesa update in bios refused to load at XMP 10-12-12-28 @ 2400. Hmmmmm...

I tested the theory loaded defaults shoved them in set timings 12-12-12-28. Boom posted right up just fine.

http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2989940/

Next up on the testing is to run 32m PI again at the best 2666 timings and the best 2933 timings to see if raw speed plus fabric beats better timings with less speed and less fabric.

Oh and pc3200 with dual rank is on the list when i can figure out how to do it.

I have this funny feeling it will require the cpu slightly sub 0 but i could be wrong.

I.nfraR.ed

03-21-2017, 01:28 AM

Nice to see you got the 2933 divider working.
There are many illogical things, certain combinations not working at all, a lot of "holes" in memory overclocking, not just the one in frequency.
I still can't get a certain pattern though. Sometimes retry button on CH6 does wonders after failed training.
I also get the feeling the CPU is "learning", lol. Something that didn't work a day ago, now works.

sdlvx

03-21-2017, 08:01 AM

The memory speed holes are interesting, but it doesn't surprise me. We had holes like this with Piledrivers' base clock. It's a good find, I wouldn't have expected it to show up with memory timings.

chew*

03-21-2017, 09:10 AM

Pretty much right now I'm just fooling around with locked ref clock board.

Seeing as many do not have ref clock it is relevant to those with Dual Rank dimms.

I'm fairly certain with a ref clock board I can "get around" certain barriers but am unsure if getting around them will be viable for 24/7 real world usage.

I may need to take a ride this weekend, go visit an old buddy, bring back an old single stage out of retirement.

starheap

03-21-2017, 09:17 AM

chew*

03-21-2017, 09:21 AM

So that basically confirms what I went through when I was getting my dual rank 2x16g 3200 tridantZ cl14 kit setup on my 1800x. I have a gigabyte gaming 5 mobo. I ended up with the exact same cl timing hole. So anything below cl 18 wouldn't post (I only tried down to 14) but 18 was fine. Kept the timings at 18 16 16 35 instead.

Cool you just answered a question for me.

The next step was to find someone with your bin and flash that SPD to my sticks to see if it was somehow XMP related.

Now I don't have to do that.

Another question for you. Did it fail post trying 3200 or did it get by memory checks but have no video?

This board has no port 80 so I went caveman and installed a speaker.

3 beeps memory failure.

1 beep it boots

0 beeps your screwed clear cmos...

With pc3200 I got 1 beep but no video....so I am close but I am missing something.

I am almost 100% positive these timings and holes effect all vendors and is not vendor specific leading me to believe it is definitely in the AGESA and not vendor bios tuning.

Anyone with a "fixed ref clock board" is going to hit these same "walls" and "holes" although a "unicorn IMC" cpu may break this trend.

starheap

03-21-2017, 09:38 AM

chew*

03-21-2017, 10:04 AM

I just remember it not posting at 3200 at pretty much any timings and I tried some pretty insanely loose timings. I don't remember the exact details atm since I haven't tried 3200 since sometime last week.

Like it wouldn't evenpost at 3200 24 24 24 50 lol

Yah would not surprise me. I think it is an IMC limitation which is why I want to try like -30 to 0 C temps.

If you do get bored and try again stay at same timings.

Watch the 4 leds near port 80. LMK if it gets past the mem check LED and goes to boot.

Mine is definitely passing memory checks.

starheap

03-21-2017, 10:20 AM

Yah would not surprise me. I think it is an IMC limitation which is why I want to try like -30 to 0 C temps.

If you do get bored and try again stay at same timings.

Watch the 4 leds near port 80. LMK if it gets past the mem check LED and goes to boot.

Mine is definitely passing memory checks.
Interesting I'll have to take a closer look at that when I get home.

cdawall

03-21-2017, 10:24 AM

Just about any B350 is weak overclocked but I can kick peoples azz on it with memory tuning, fun stuff.

I was starting to get the hang of memory tweaking the board yesterday I was able to do some testing with the memory at 3800, but the chip was severely hampered for overclock. I was only able to push it to 3.7-3.8 with the memory pushed that far.