i5-3570k De-lidded Need Help with best TIM to use for bare die NO IHS mount....

[SonDa5]

2 days ago I finally broke out the razer blade and cut the IHS off of my 3570k. Going to share my experience and I ask of your experience and expertise in choosing the best TIM to go between my DIE and Copper Block.

Right now my water cooled rig only has 1x120mm HWLABS Black ICE GTX Stealth radiator.

This is the testing water loop configuration for my first De-lidding test.

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/delidtestrig120mmradiator.jpg

I have another radiator on back order at FrozenCPU and wanted to wait for it but I couldn't wait no more.

Photos from my adventure.

Officially Delidded. *No going back at this point in the game.

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/3570kcrackedopenwithIHS.jpg

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/delid3570kfresh.jpg

Cleaned up and ready to GO!

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/nakedprepped3570k.jpg

Contact Paper pressure test is a go!

Before with IHS on.

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/BLACKZ77Mpower/CPTDIEhorizontalDTSNIPER.JPG

New contact pressure test with DT SNIPER water block directly on IB i5-3570k.

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/Deliddirectcontacti53570kDTSniper5.jpg

Before Delidding.

Ambient Temp 26C

TIM IC Diamond 24

Temps under LinX load 83C 93C 89C 84C

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/BeforeDeLidLinX3570k.jpg

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2531026

De-Lidded results.

Direct DIE Contact

Ambient Temps 25.5C

TIM IC Diamond 24

Temps under LinX load *70C 80C 78C 74C

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/ICD24DTSNIPER3570kLINXDelidresults.jpg

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2531139

Conclusion: By de-lidding my IB i5-3570k I was able to lower average core temps from 87.25C to 75.5C!!!!!





Which is best TIM for bare die mounted directly to water block without IHS?

[Conquistador SW]

The smaller the surfaces becomes, the more you will benefit from a TIM with a high thermal conductivity.

I think Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is the best to use on the die. However, be careful, because Liquid Pro is supposed to be hard to remove after a while. Second best would be Liquid Ultra which is supposed to be easier to remove than Liquid Pro.

LM Pro = 82w/mK (according to a HWBOT 2008 TIM roundup)
LM Ultra = 32 or 38w/mK (several web sources and post #216 in this thread)
IX = 20w/mK (IX literature)
PK-1 = 10.2w/m -c (frozencpu)
everything else is less
(I found this here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?280892-3770k-IHS-Removals-CPU-temp-dropped-from-79C-to-71C/page12)

[zanzabar]

dost liquid metal eat anything other than copper. i would not use that, idigo, or a diamond compound as they tend to eat or scratch the surface of were they are applied. i would just stick to mx-2 or 4 since they are my standbys but some higher end shin etsu might be worth it.

[Conquistador SW]

Liquid Pro does eat aluminium, which in this case is no problem. It does nothing to the die and the copper of the block. Many people use Coollaboratory on the die and IHS with no problems at all including me.

[SonDa5]

The smaller the surfaces becomes, the more you will benefit from a TIM with a high thermal conductivity.

I think Coollaboratory Liquid Pro is the best to use on the die. However, be careful, because Liquid Pro is supposed to be hard to remove after a while. Second best would be Liquid Ultra which is supposed to be easier to remove than Liquid Pro.

LM Pro = 82w/mK (according to a HWBOT 2008 TIM roundup)
LM Ultra = 32 or 38w/mK (several web sources and post #216 in this thread)
IX = 20w/mK (IX literature)
PK-1 = 10.2w/m -c (frozencpu)
everything else is less
(I found this here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?280892-3770k-IHS-Removals-CPU-temp-dropped-from-79C-to-71C/page12)


I have heard the same. I don't want to be the guy that has the die rip off the PCB and stuck on my block when I remove. I really want to use the Liquid Pro but I am hesitant to try it because I am worried my die is going to be glued to my heat sink like super glue.


I also concur about IC Diamond. I have seen slight micro scratches on the dies that I have used it on and I think it may have caused a pit in a gpu block that I used. I like the performance of IC Diamond but I think it needs a better formula to work better.

Ultra Pro does seem like the best pick but I just need some more info o hazards of using it on bare die directly mounted to block. I want to stick it on and not have to worry about it for awhile.


I tried some PK3 and it was very easy to apply and clean and worked almost as good as IC Diamond but I want something better.


Thanks for your help. I want to order something later on today.

[hersounds]

looking for Coollaboratory Liquid Pro but i don't see where buy ( international shipping to argentina) any help guys?

I have a 3770k that does 4.0 Ghz @ 0.98 Vcore - 4.3 Ghz @ 1.12 Vcore - 4.5 Ghz @ 1.16 vcore - 4.7 @ 1.20 vcore and 4.8 Ghz with 1.28 vcore ( temps problems ) so i think with IHS mod + Coollaboratory Liquid Pro in 4 sides, this chip can be run more faster, or at least doing more pretty temperatures...thanks for help & replys

[mav2000]

You can buy it directly from their webshop. That was the only place I could find that had stock and was willing to ship at a decent price.

[SonDa5]

Thanks for recommendations. Ended up going with CoolLaboratory Liquid Pro. Works great.

Delidded IB i5-3570k @ 4.5GHZ 1.15v with NO IHS with DT SNIPER Water block
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2551498

Loop configuration as tested. Single 120mm slim HWLABS Black ICE radiator.
http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/delidtestrig120mmradiator.jpg



TIM Liquid Pro
IBT 4.5GHZ Maximum memory tested 10 passes
Ambient Temps 25C
Fresh Install

http://minidriven.com/BlacknBlueforIB/DeLiD/CoolLPProperMountTempsNOIHS3570k.jpg

With IC Diamond 24 average temp of each core was 73C under IBT load. With Liquid Pro average temp of each core is at 61C!! under IBT load. :)

Taking a look at my IB 3570k progress since delidding.

Before Delidding.

Ambient Temp 26C

TIM IC Diamond 24

Temps under LinX load 83C 93C 89C 84C average of 87.25C per core.


Since delidding I have been able to lower my average core temps under IBT 100% load at 4.5GHZ by 26.25C per core!!!

[Alex-Ro]

Very good job,i plan on doing the same,but i'll do that only to the best 3570K i find.Binned 7 already,best one which i currently kept does 4.5 with 1.192,5 ghz bench with 1.42.I'm gonna change another few till i hit one that does 5 ghz with 1.3-1.35 and keep it.

[SonDa5]

Very good job,i plan on doing the same,but i'll do that only to the best 3570K i find.Binned 7 already,best one which i currently kept does 4.5 with 1.192,5 ghz bench with 1.42.I'm gonna change another few till i hit one that does 5 ghz with 1.3-1.35 and keep it.


Since delidding over the last 2 weeks I have just been trying to figure out which TIM works best.

Liquid Pro is the best so far. Temps should drop some more with a little burn in period.

I didn't expect Liquid Pro to beat IC Diamond by so much.


Took about 5 mounts of Liquid Pro before I got the right thickness and contact pressure between the DIE and DT SNIPER water block. I'm not using an IHS so I think this is part of the reason the mount was so tricky but after all the effort the results are very satisfying.

Now that I am satisfied with my mount I'm going to see if I can get a stable 5GHZ over clock with low voltage. I'm more concerned with optimum performance and cooling than just getting a 5GHZ over clock.

My 3570k can do 4.5GHZ with as low as 1.13v but with higher memory over clock I have to keep it at 1.15v for good stability. It is good at low voltage for 4.5GHZ but in the past anything over 4.8GHZ required way too much voltage and temps would shoot up.