Boo!

[chew*]

Thats what Ghosts say :)

[zanzabar]

now we just need saaya.

how was your vacation, dose this mean that amd is coming back as you left during their BD fail.

[Lightman]

You scared the sh** out of me! :eek:

Holy mother of comebacks!
Glad to see you here again :)

[FlanK3r]

ohhhhh, welcome back in hell Chew* :D:welcome:

Hope, sometimes you can will be here with us. Of course, life is loife, but once in week for hardware forum is not so much time consumed :)

[Elloquin]

:D:clap::up:

[charged3800z24]

Sup man, how have ya been?

[Buckeye]

Hey Brian :)

[ZenEffect]

What up Brian, you havent been on Skype. How is the car coming along?

[chew*]

What up Brian, you havent been on Skype. How is the car coming along?

Leather interior is complete now, Dropped on Eibach / KYB GR-2's now, sway bars are on.

Exhaust is on ( loud mofo ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F2EYl5ojlo .

Few pics from a Neon meet recently before I dropped it.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll288/Caraudioholic24/2gn%20Summer%20Meet%202012/DSC_0094.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll288/Caraudioholic24/2gn%20Summer%20Meet%202012/DSC_0093.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll288/Caraudioholic24/2gn%20Summer%20Meet%202012/DSC_0092.jpg

[BeepBeep2]

Nice!

:D

[chew*]

Nice!

:D

It is now, here's what it looked like before...........

http://s1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20120531_142845.jpg

[AlleyViper]

Is that an old AM2+ Phenom X4? There seem to be 4 cores. :D
(btw, welcome back!)

[BeepBeep2]

It is now, here's what it looked like before...........

snip
Oh, yeah...that's not so nice.

D:

Nice work you've done on it.

[Dumo]

Welcome back:toast:

Your flock of pscbbses waitin' to be tortured. Lol

[ZenEffect]

Leather interior is complete now, Dropped on Eibach / KYB GR-2's now, sway bars are on.

Exhaust is on ( loud mofo ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F2EYl5ojlo .

Few pics from a Neon meet recently before I dropped it.



sickness. im going to do the steering rack, springs, and shocks next week in 1 shot so only 1 alignment is needed (again). Got a good quote on the rack. $210 for parts and labor... cheaper than getting a re-manufactured steering rack on my own. after that i have to do sway bars and end links. not much to do with suspension after that though.... could get a bunch of other stuff, but i think the weight advantage of not having it outweighs the gain from putting it on.

Waiting on more stuff from you, I've got buyers lined up so you can get on that MS + forced induction. :up:

man... those skirts are so nice.

[FlanK3r]

wow, nice tuning car, completly new now :). Btw, Im near to my car...few months and will be not czech car Skoda Octavia, but Ford Focus 1.8 liters :-)

[charged3800z24]

Brian, I'm not a NEON guy but looks real nice! Way better than the before shot! I swapped the motor in my project cause the stock one just didn't have enough for me. I also needed a better sounding exhaust.

[ZenEffect]

dude your exhaust is soooo loud! is that the R/T dual, or the cat delete single?

[l0ud_sil3nc3]

Wow what a transformation on the Neon man, looking good. Glad to see you posting again chew*

You make me want to start playing with my Fairlady. . .

[Daveburt714]

Sup Brian!

Been a little quiet around here without you bud...
You are one skilled man, with computers and cars. :yepp:

I just have to ask, is that a Lambo Diablo sitting next to your car in that 2nd shot?
Your Neon is nice, but Daym..... :p:

[BeepBeep2]

Sup Brian!

Been a little quiet around here without you bud...
You are one skilled man, with computers and cars. :yepp:

I just have to ask, is that a Lambo Diablo sitting next to your car in that 2nd shot?
Your Neon is nice, but Daym..... :p:
I believe that is a Neon Diablo :p:

[l0ud_sil3nc3]

^ I believe you are correct sir

[Daveburt714]

Ok.... :nuts:
I meant the Black one in the third shot, on the left with the gull wing doors open... :rofl:

[BeepBeep2]

Ok.... :nuts:
I meant the Black one in the third shot, on the left with the gull wing doors open... :rofl:
Yep, a Neon :nuts:

[chew*]

Brian, I'm not a NEON guy but looks real nice! Way better than the before shot! I swapped the motor in my project cause the stock one just didn't have enough for me. I also needed a better sounding exhaust.

I'm technically not swapping engine, the A578 or better known as 2.0 single cam has a stronger bottom end than the 420A or SRT4 (2.4) built or not, it has to do with the stroke.....But you can swap a 420A head (DOHC worth 30+ WHP) on my block and since I'm the kind of guy that hates to follow the crowd i'm not gonna turbo the neon, supercharger will have to do :yepp:

Yes the lambo door car is my buddies neon, cool but not really my taste, has a kamanari ( i think thats name ) body kit. I like the mopar body kit better.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll288/Caraudioholic24/2gn%20Summer%20Meet%202012/DSC_0114.jpg

Zen, SRT4 stainless 2.5" straightpipe exhaust no mufflers just 2 resonators ( Made by Borla for SRT4 IIRC ) , thats with a R/T cat still on, wait till it gets E cutout and catless downpipe :rofl:

I didn't just jump in head first with this car, like always I tested, researched and performed failure analysis tests on a guinea pig. Old habits die hard ;)

This was a LS B18 swapped civic with a 50 shot spraying versus N/A guinea pig :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlkSAAOcC1I&feature=youtu.be

[Daveburt714]

Damn Kit cars... I'm showing my age. :rolleyes:

I still want a Diablo though (a real one!)... :D

$250 Mill, C'mon Saturdays Powerball and I'll have one!

[FlanK3r]

How is maximal mph? Or from 0 to 60mph? Did u tested it?:)

[chew*]

How is maximal mph? Or from 0 to 60mph? Did u tested it?:)

I only did 1/4 mile and 60 ft testing since i'm drag racing again. All depends on mods, car setup, tires, launch RPM. Best time N/A with mild bolt ons and full interior was 15.7 1/4 mile.

Max speed is based on computer or the lack of one, standalone has no governor but what you set. Same with RPM, I can tach to 7000 on one pcm or rev to 10K with standalone.

I've had guinea pig up to 130MPH when motor wasn't tired, now its just my daily driver, engine has to much leakdown to race it. The silver one is the one i'm building.

[BeepBeep2]

15.7 isn't too shabby for a 4 cyl.

[FlanK3r]

yes, its good, becasue GTR Nissan has about 9-10s.

[chew*]

Here's a 7 sec neon :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuZNASEkoQ4

[BeepBeep2]

Holy crap, that's crazy...

chew* ygpm...or maybe you already know that

[charged3800z24]

Here's a 7 sec neon :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuZNASEkoQ4

That's pretty quick, but it sounds terrible. I'm not even old enough to have been around the old muscle car, but they sure as hell sound better, :p:
I have a V6 in my cavalier and it sounds pretty mean with the Duels.

[Dahaka]

chew* is back? :inlove

[chew*]

That's pretty quick, but it sounds terrible. I'm not even old enough to have been around the old muscle car, but they sure as hell sound better, :p:
I have a V6 in my cavalier and it sounds pretty mean with the Duels.

Should have cobalt SS swapped it, I bet it would be nasty.

[zanzabar]

why are u guys tuning those mexican cars, isnt that kind of a waste to put all of that into a neon or cavalier.

but speaking of fake american cars, chew what do you think of the new srt4 dart/fiat rally car.

[chew*]

why are u guys tuning those mexican cars, isnt that kind of a waste to put all of that into a neon or cavalier.

but speaking of fake american cars, chew what do you think of the new srt4 dart/fiat rally car.

I think the interior and one set of rims offered are sexy, as far as hp specs and living up to the dart name I think it's sacrilidge and bad judgement imo, 160 hp specs with a turbo is sad considering 1st gen neons with dohc engine put out 152hp N/A and were lighter. I don't even think the SRT team can do anything to WOW us considering the competition out there for a sport compact. They should have called it a 3rd gen neon, they just keep getting heavier and slower each new gen... Rumour has it a large batch of them left factory with faulty radiators right off the assembly line, Rumour has it dodge blamed the company contracted to make those radiators, ( likely mexican? ) :p:

A lot of neon guys are jumping out of the neon and into that car, I think they will be dissapointed in long run performance wise, you can get away with more emmisions wise on 95-02 cars.

Enough car talk, what have I missed while I was gone AMD wise other than they choked on BD v1. I know they could take frequency and ram records as i predicted, not sure if anyone managed to do some Extreme preset multi card damage I knew they could pull off do to better PCI trafficking although likely not possible due to IVY now.

[zanzabar]

the srt4 is supposed to have the new mitsu 2L turbo from the lowest tuned evo and a mitsu made AWD system for under $30k, i though it looked promising. and the new dart is chinese.

for amd the battle is lost, i am moving on to 1155 as most of the community has since the BD came out. getting a chip that is a good 25-30% faster stock and what amd has to do about 4.4ghz to match but is only 75W was to much to resist when i won a maximus V from this years scavenger hunt. i just need to offload my 1090 and m3a89td pro and i will be about even money in the swap. i did get a new cfr kit to play with before i sell it though.

[trans am]

Brian,
I have some time off this month. i say I pick up msimaxx, dumo and we drive up there and have a reunion sesh one of these weekends. Maybe get some fishing in. what do you say? :)

[chew*]

Brian,
I have some time off this month. i say I pick up msimaxx, dumo and we drive up there and have a reunion sesh one of these weekends. Maybe get some fishing in. what do you say? :)

Sold boat, sold most of my hardware or am in process of selling it, not living with wife anymore. I work and race thats about it now. We can grab a commercial boat, tuna should be coming in soon.

If you know anyone interested selling off my phase change units, rather sell them locally than ship them though.

[trans am]

Sold boat, sold most of my hardware or am in process of selling it, not living with wife anymore. I work and race thats about it now. We can grab a commercial boat, tuna should be coming in soon.

If you know anyone interested selling off my phase change units, rather sell them locally than ship them though.

msn im on now.

[Tomasis]

chew, nice to see you again.

Was gonna say Lotus Seven but saw you do drag racing :P

When I get enough rich, I'd build Westfield chassi, light parts (carbon etc) MC motor. 600kg/250hp N/A. For track driving of course.

You seem have fun and its best one can do. Feeling real push inside the chassi outdoors :)

[FlanK3r]

Sold boat, sold most of my hardware or am in process of selling it, not living with wife anymore. I work and race thats about it now. We can grab a commercial boat, tuna should be coming in soon.

If you know anyone interested selling off my phase change units, rather sell them locally than ship them though.

phase to Czech republic?:) I would like it...But I think, tax to CZ will be too expensive...

[BeepBeep2]

phase to Czech republic?:) I would like it...But I think, tax to CZ will be too expensive...
It is really expensive to ship SS units, also hard to ship, they need to be protected well and often times shipping carriers are rough with packages.

My guess is that he will want to stay in US48.

[chew*]

It's turbo time......Time to OC a somewhat aging phenom II X4 err I mean 4 core err i mean 4 banger.

[ZenEffect]

didnt see that you updated this thread...

MS route? i wanna see!

[chew*]

didnt see that you updated this thread...

MS route? i wanna see!

Nah the lazy route. Some kid apparently had an SRT swapped 2000 NEON. He apparently hit a tree at 80 backwards......He sold me entire car for $1000........it's not the route I wanted to take however it is the route my wallet wanted to take. 275 @ stock WHP here I come...I was anti SRT swap but.....on the flip side of things the upgrade path is far more enticing....

Ill see if I can get my skype to be reliable on my phone zen....it keeps crashing the app.....

[charged3800z24]

Going Turbo? How are the transmissions in those cars?

I am still running a S/C on my cavalier with a Buick 3800 v6. I killed the stock 3spd and the 4t65e HD from the 99 Regal i put in. I am now on a 5spd with SPEC stage 3.

What you tuning with? I use the MS III kit, here's "vid" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0mX2gSiRG8&feature=player_embedded) of my first start/Config on the 99 regal engine I swapped in. Ignor the Intel Atom I used to program it..lol I moved to a AMD APU :p: Need for power for my tuning...

[chew*]

I gain factory qualife LSD with swap....3rd gear is weak on t850 though..... but it can be beefed up, shift selectors break but they have billet replacements. Basically you can fix the issues and they are easy to work on.

Since I will be using a swap all tuning for srt4 applies to mine....Its as simple as plugging a diablo intune in. I wanted MS but that was before I found an entire swap for cheap.

After studying a bunch of single cam forced induction neon dyno sheets it was clear that a srt swap would be the smarter choice....one of my buddies single cammed and turbod cars dynos were like an on/off switch.....power band was 4200-5200....everything else sucked. That was at 22 psi mind you.....I'd rather use just 15psi and have the engine last alot longer.

I did the 3.8 SC like 10 years ago....I ran a gutted SC bonneville beefed up a tad and with a 100 shot. I can rebuild trannies so I slapped one together that could hold the power.....unfortunately axles couldn't.

[ZenEffect]

I gain factory qualife LSD with swap....3rd gear is weak on t850 though..... but it can be beefed up, shift selectors break but they have billet replacements. Basically you can fix the issues and they are easy to work on.

Since I will be using a swap all tuning for srt4 applies to mine....Its as simple as plugging a diablo intune in. I wanted MS but that was before I found an entire swap for cheap.

After studying a bunch of single cam forced induction neon dyno sheets it was clear that a srt swap would be the smarter choice....one of my buddies single cammed and turbod cars dynos were like an on/off switch.....power band was 4200-5200....everything else sucked. That was at 22 psi mind you.....I'd rather use just 15psi and have the engine last alot longer.

I did the 3.8 SC like 10 years ago....I ran a gutted SC bonneville beefed up a tad and with a 100 shot. I can rebuild trannies so I slapped one together that could hold the power.....unfortunately axles couldn't.

2 things....

1.) if skype app is crashing, you can use steam or hell just give me a call (steam name is same as skype... and i can access it at work. they have a phone app too)

2.) far too many advantages going srt swap over turbo on a n/a engine. for $1000 its now cheaper than MS + Turbo + Pistons + Rods + Cams + LSD :D


22psi out of a 2.0L is TOUGH. no wonder he has a 1000rpm power band, his turbo is friggin HUGE requiring spool up of about... way too long. 15psi should still net you around the 380-400hp mark while remaining "streetable"

[vfx]

It's turbo time......Time to OC a somewhat aging phenom II X4 err I mean 4 core err i mean 4 banger.

Turbo is the way to go, just swapped over my Redline from the Eaton m62 to a BW 256et. I believe these are somewhat popular on your platform too. Spools great, lots of power, 24-25psi on E85 makes it a handful.

130618

[cdawall]

Well you took a bit different of a route than me...

http://img.techpowerup.org/120918/DSCF3533%20(Custom).jpg

I do however wish you much luck with the neon...and hopefully some other bits and bobs.

[Yeroon]

I'll ad my previous project I never worked on, that my close friend finished this summer. It was a primered engineless car when I bought it, and sold it last fall.
130619
For the engine.
130620

I have a nice collection of gm engines in my shop ATM, latest being a 3.7 I-5 and a gt3782vgt.

[charged3800z24]

Turbo is the way to go, .-Snipped-


I'd disagree to a point. Depends on the setup. I played with the idea of a turbo on my 3800. I still have the S/C on the v6. It is more about air flow. Plus I'm pretty happy with 15 PSI I'm getting from it, it holds it from 1100rpm to 5800 rpm ;). Not dogging Turbos by no means, just saying. Thogh this setup does have me wondering... If only i could fit the plumbing in the cavy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Wp1MbNp-8

[dinos22]

i race cars too these days Brian, RC cars lol. Big one's are a bit on the expensive side

didnt realise you split with the missus mate, sorry to hear that, hope the young fella is not taking it bad

[chew*]

I'd disagree to a point. Depends on the setup. I played with the idea of a turbo on my 3800. I still have the S/C on the v6. It is more about air flow. Plus I'm pretty happy with 15 PSI I'm getting from it, it holds it from 1100rpm to 5800 rpm ;). Not dogging Turbos by no means, just saying. Thogh this setup does have me wondering... If only i could fit the plumbing in the cavy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0Wp1MbNp-8

You forget all about the GNX? 3800 is a descendant of the 3.8 turbo in the GNX.....all the bonneville guys after i got rid of mine were going turbo.....and they started putting down 10's

Here's the home of the fastest 3800's. Hope it helps.

http://www.intense-racing.com/index.shtml

Dino, been there done that. I had a fully modded and tricked out supernitro RS4, my engine of choice was navarossi for street car. I had the little thing doing 100mph ( not scale ) damn thing used to pop wheelies every time it shifted ( had a 2 speed trans ) due to the power transfer rate of the shorter rear belt, thats when it wasn't snapping the rear drive shaft that drove the belt. I fooled around with a ofna hyper 7 to.....but it wasn't very fun to run because I stuck a OFNA/PICO 21 and that motor was just to much for it. It was an animal and the throttle response was like an onn/off switch. It only knew stop and GOOOOOO....

[KeZzZu]

What's up guys... came around to here checking new's.. saw chew's goodbye thread... also comeback thread. Instantly popped up my post history... it seems that it's been allmost 2 years of no Overclocking for me... ok been doing some little tickling on laptop.

All came to end on p2... as fustrated on pI which was completely disaster, i gave good go for pII ended up in ROC, was good times. After that, something just camed in front of me. Could not continue, dont know why, but felt so.


I still miss good ole BH-5 sticks, how i tryed to reach near Lastviking records... thou got good pair of 2x256 @ 292. Fortunately, all my screenshots are gone from early 200 to this day... some maybe in imageshack... But in overall, good memories, fun times breaking own records and stuff...

2010, i felt that life was circling around, made changes to my life, left my job, went to new job. Better pay, (yeah not much... but still) met great people on the trip. Met girl or two :happy: ... Got new hobby, as a mechanic in rallyteam.

And month a go bought this babe:

brb uploading photo

http://i8.aijaa.com/t/00330/11103562.t.jpg (http://aijaa.com/RQU03T)


Linky:
http://aijaa.com/RQU03T


VW polo 1.1L
year 1978
Missing lot of stuff... but will get them eventually.

Thou i still drive most of my driving with my Jetta' 06 2.0l tdi (allmost 300 000km and counting on trip)

[punx223]

Damn Brian, not bad... The SRT is a good swap and plenty of tuning parts.

The Trans is pretty good as long as you mentioned the key parts for 3Rd is replaced as you noted.

The stock bottom end can take a pretty good beating tbh and even the stock turbo has a bit left in it if you have the time and patience for it.

PM me if you have any ?'s I have done some pretty extensive work on some of the SRT-4's over the years.

[chew*]

Sure thing man. Car came today so I started getting nosy. Found a greddy oil catch can, saw a stage 1 sticker in trunk that came off in accident, got me curious since stickers are cheap stage mods aren't......

Computer for sure is staged......but it might not be 1 or 2. After looking some more found urethane mount inserts, a 3" O2 housing, 3" borla catback exhaust, found tip and for that matter all boost solenoids bypassed,like wise I found a BOV, turbo I don't think is original as well. IC looks to be a tad bigger than stock. Seems to be stage 3 modded for most part but I will investigate further. If its cammed it doesn't appear to be anything exciting as the idle is steady, not lopey.

I'm gonna do some extensive engine health testing over weekend compression, check vaccum and do a cylinder leakdown test. Unfortunately it's in no way driveable so trans is still questionable. All I can tell is when running at idle no gears are jumping back out when i release clutch but that doesn't mean much.

I'll post a few pics tommorow. The damage is preety severe to rear end, looks like it had butt secks with a telephone pole or one damn big tree.

Punx I paid a total of $1000 for entire car, selling rims srt hood and a few other things to knock the swap down to around $500 range.. The car it's getting swapped to is supposed to look sleepy :)

[trans am]

read the last rhyme.
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1036929&page=14


C to the H to the E to the W
my man Chew's got props for each and every one of you.

hes been on a hiatus on the overclocking scene and saving freon.
hes putting most of his time into his fam and his neon.

Hey chew what up my brother?
we're bustin rhymes tighter than sally struthers.
from all in the family
you of anyone is godamn proud of me. Bustin that eminem dub on the mob deep track.

im kicking ill crap like getting kicked in the nut sack. at the end of the day its all for you, cuz the real mc's know all that you been through.
when I was at your crib benching putting the gay back in Reggae, And the whole time I thought that crap was wack.
but in retrospect that :banana::banana::banana::banana: was the max.
So now when we bench we all listen to bob marley
that :banana::banana::banana::banana: makes you laxed so you can overclock gnarly
hey chew dont be a stranger.
were gonna need your ass when it comes down to danger.
you're the muthafkcin illest when it comes down to clocking
youre the over clock equivalent to ma-fcking steven hawkin'

[chew*]

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121016_151304_zps3f477123.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121016_145746_zps1a2c4aa7.jpg

Why even swap it? It looks nice right?:rofl::ROTF:

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121016_145703_zps17a46887.jpg

[Lightman]

Nothing a hammer and a bit of patience can't fix :P
Definitely bargain for $1k if engine is in good condition ...

[charged3800z24]

You forget all about the GNX? 3800 is a descendant of the 3.8 turbo in the GNX.....all the bonneville guys after i got rid of mine were going turbo.....and they started putting down 10's

Here's the home of the fastest 3800's. Hope it helps.

http://www.intense-racing.com/index.shtml

Yeah I am familiar with Intense Racing, got my first Engine from Morad Part who holds one of the records on there list. I use to regular 3800pro.com forums. There are engines putting out good power with hardly any boost, is all I am saying. You can throw Turbo's at an engine all day, but if it doesn't flow, it won't matter.

My favorite turbo setup is a Twin staged setup with a quick spooler for low end and bigger one for higher RPM band. If you can balance this setup it works real nice.... Not knocking turbo's at all, I am still considering a dual setup. But, I have yet to see a Pro Stock, Top Fuel eyc, drag car running anything but Blowers.....(Runs and hides);)

[punx223]

Sure thing man. Car came today so I started getting nosy. Found a greddy oil catch can, saw a stage 1 sticker in trunk that came off in accident, got me curious since stickers are cheap stage mods aren't......

Computer for sure is staged......but it might not be 1 or 2. After looking some more found urethane mount inserts, a 3" O2 housing, 3" borla catback exhaust, found tip and for that matter all boost solenoids bypassed,like wise I found a BOV, turbo I don't think is original as well. IC looks to be a tad bigger than stock. Seems to be stage 3 modded for most part but I will investigate further. If its cammed it doesn't appear to be anything exciting as the idle is steady, not lopey.

I'm gonna do some extensive engine health testing over weekend compression, check vaccum and do a cylinder leakdown test. Unfortunately it's in no way driveable so trans is still questionable. All I can tell is when running at idle no gears are jumping back out when i release clutch but that doesn't mean much.

I'll post a few pics tommorow. The damage is preety severe to rear end, looks like it had butt secks with a telephone pole or one damn big tree.

Punx I paid a total of $1000 for entire car, selling rims srt hood and a few other things to knock the swap down to around $500 range.. The car it's getting swapped to is supposed to look sleepy :)

It sounds like you got a hell of a deal as theres all kinds of neat finds in there.

As im sure you know a lopey engine would actually not be ideal for turbo you want something with a tight overlap to avoid pushing boost right out the open exhaust valves.

never know could be some choice cams in there after hearing how much other parts are on it.

and I am totally down with sleepers.... nothing better than a car thats fast as hell but looks pedestrian :)

Edit: Any idea on axles? I know that when upgrading SRT's one thing for sure I had to upgrade was the stock shafts. Wonder what that one has?

[Yeroon]

It sounds like you got a hell of a deal as theres all kinds of neat finds in there.

As im sure you know a lopey engine would actually not be ideal for turbo you want something with a tight overlap to avoid pushing boost right out the open exhaust valves.

never know could be some choice cams in there after hearing how much other parts are on it.

and I am totally down with sleepers.... nothing better than a car thats fast as hell but looks pedestrian :)

Edit: Any idea on axles? I know that when upgrading SRT's one thing for sure I had to upgrade was the stock shafts. Wonder what that one has?

Done right you can get away with some overlap and turbos. The problem is typically opposite of what you said, high overlap and poorly sized turbine typically contaminates the intake charge with exhaust and its heat. Most turbo builds will end up with higher exhaust pressure pre-turbo then they end up with as boost, but it is possible to get more boost then exhaust pressure. Doesn't happen by accident though.

If you want to have some fun tuning, see if any of the vnt (variable nozzle turbine) turbos off the smaller diesels fit your size requirements. Theres a 3571 vnt i think from the first year 6.0l ps in the med duty range trucks, the 6.0l pickups got different variations of the 3782, and the durtymax gets 3782 and 3788 vnts. Couple holsets as well off the common rail cummins have the vnt. Most work off a pulsewidth solenoid controlling oil flow to change turbine a/r. Lots of benefits, only real downside is you'd be one of the pioneers and have to do the fab and testing/tuning with little help from the turbo community.

[vfx]

Not knocking turbo's at all, I am still considering a dual setup. But, I have yet to see a Pro Stock, Top Fuel eyc, drag car running anything but Blowers.....(Runs and hides);)

It's against the rules iirc. Lag for the traction, top end for the action! :p:

[punx223]

Done right you can get away with some overlap and turbos. The problem is typically opposite of what you said, high overlap and poorly sized turbine typically contaminates the intake charge with exhaust and its heat. Most turbo builds will end up with higher exhaust pressure pre-turbo then they end up with as boost, but it is possible to get more boost then exhaust pressure. Doesn't happen by accident though.

If you want to have some fun tuning, see if any of the vnt (variable nozzle turbine) turbos off the smaller diesels fit your size requirements. Theres a 3571 vnt i think from the first year 6.0l ps in the med duty range trucks, the 6.0l pickups got different variations of the 3782, and the durtymax gets 3782 and 3788 vnts. Couple holsets as well off the common rail cummins have the vnt. Most work off a pulsewidth solenoid controlling oil flow to change turbine a/r. Lots of benefits, only real downside is you'd be one of the pioneers and have to do the fab and testing/tuning with little help from the turbo community.

I understand, but I am a lil spoiled as I am used to building hybrid turbo designs for smaller motors (Race only) with larger compressor housings and not necessarily smaller but smaller in comparison hot side housings to allow faster spool up without the lag to 5-5.5K+ taht a normal larger race bred turbo would require.... and with a proper balance you can run a tight overlap and make a very potent setup...

but now its splitting hairs as you can get huge amounts of power by the same token with a different design as you said... I guess it all comes down to preference and work you want to perform...

as for Variable geometry turbos.... I wish I was adventurous enough for that but thats a boat load of mapping just to match the vgt solenoid/vane position to the proper island plot for the turbo. thats alot of rocket science that I would never wanna try to figure out :P

if you do please post a build log :)

[chew*]

Axles look like they may be stock. Be interesting to see whats in there for a clutch. I need to crack it anyway once it's out as the clutch forks are usually junk and are usually worn and also #1 cause for most T-850 trans issues. Stupid cast iron....

I took it for a quick ride with a donut on rear at impact side to clear damage, I rolled into first got going a tad and nailed it and it spun, Rolled it into second got going then nailed it and it spun, same for third so I'm guessing 350 HP range from having driven a few. Third usually won't burn tire from a roll until you dyno about 325 hp. I didn't try banging gears through gears high rpm though, no sense breaking it before I even get started. Totally forgot to even pay attention to how much boost it was pushing, was more worried about the car splitting in half, it was definitely kinked more when I took a look at it after I parked it.

[punx223]

Axles look like they may be stock. Be interesting to see whats in there for a clutch. I need to crack it anyway once it's out as the clutch forks are usually junk and are usually worn and also #1 cause for most T-850 trans issues. Stupid cast iron....

I took it for a quick ride with a donut on rear at impact side to clear damage, I rolled into first got going a tad and nailed it and it spun, Rolled it into second got going then nailed it and it spun, same for third so I'm guessing 350 HP range from having driven a few. Third usually won't burn tire from a roll until you dyno about 325 hp. I didn't try banging gears through gears high rpm though, no sense breaking it before I even get started.

lol, sounds like your off to a pretty strong start.... what is your HP target for this, or will it be progressive stepping up along the way?

[chew*]

I've been told by those that daily drove them 300-350whp is fun, after 400whp not so fun and things break quite often.

350whp I guess is a nice place and realistic goal for 15 and less PSI. Of course I will focus on trying to get the power band nice and smooth, 350whp peak at a certain rpm is def not the same as 350 steady whp over a wide range which will be my goal. I have to say this turbo spools up really quick.

Car it's going in is on page 1, already done a few things to it. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282431-Boo!&p=5126768&viewfull=1#post5126768

I was saving up for rota slip streams and kumho cheater slicks when this car popped up on craigslist.

More investigating.

Mopar STS instead of the factory shifter.

Booger shifter bushings

Granatelli coil

Granatelli wires

Rear strut truss bar

Nothing special really except when you are upgrading but aftermarket OEM twin fan radiator and fan assembly. I have a mishimoto twin fan in my DD so the plastic one will have to go.

Had a code something related to skim, no emmisions stuff though.

[zanzabar]

how would you run 350hp out of the stock rad.

[chew*]

how would you run 350hp out of the stock rad.

Stock mtx neons have a single core single fan rad, stock srt4 has a single core dual fan rad with more agressive fan profiles. Sounds like Auto ocing right?

The mishimoto and or koyo are 2 core so actually a capacity upgrade and not plastic which is why it's one of my first changes when I plan to drive a car hard.

Crappy engine bay shot of my DD. It's just a normal 01 neon with 03-05 front and rear body swap.

02 magnum PCM, 03 magnum intake P&P with working secondaries, stock head with port work to exhaust side ( bowl work only ) custom CAI ( made it myself ), urethane filled mounts ( windoweld )
mishimoto twin fan rad and fan setup. Hydraulic tensioner swapped for manual on timing belt. Apex SAFC II, stock SRT exhaust, custom catch can, Mopar short throw shifter, I also rebuilt the trans. AC delete. I also have a manual rack for PS delete but not sure i'm changing yet.....various suspension stuff done.

I'm sure i'm missing a bunch of stuff.

Over winter if I have time since I will be working on other car I plan to replace lower end with a 32K block ( really pointless to build an NA motor for a 2gn other than longevity ), install 01 P&P magnum head which has a preety agressive factory cam in it but need to do crane valve springs as they made the 01 cam 1 year then discontinued it and toned it down due to to agressive a lift which broke valve springs. I have a shorty factory header ( borla made them ) as well to add, 60 mm modern performance throttle body, walbro 255. Once it's all done it will prolly do 160 whp.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20120930_163621.jpg

[punx223]

koyo is a good solid rad, but will need to pay attention to fan fitment... you may be better off getting some slim fans from Be cool or other brand... then either use switched relays or even just a thermostatic switch connected to relays.

but the thicker dual fan setups can get bashed up bad when motor torques on a hard launch, even if using poly bushings....

[ZenEffect]

koyo is a good solid rad, but will need to pay attention to fan fitment... you may be better off getting some slim fans from Be cool or other brand... then either use switched relays or even just a thermostatic switch connected to relays.

but the thicker dual fan setups can get bashed up bad when motor torques on a hard launch, even if using poly bushings....

the motor wont move much in the engine bay when the mounts are filled as he said ;)

[punx223]

the motor wont move much in the engine bay when the mounts are filled as he said ;)

Yeah yeah ADHD kicking in again.... missed that part :-/

[chew*]

Sold hood, after washing it was worse than I thought. Guy game me $100 and his hood to protect my engine for now....so I said screw it. Guy driving from PA to give me $100 for the srt front seats which are in poor condition ( he's going to reupholster them ) so that part is taken care of.

Now to sell the kenwood deck that was in it and the tires/rims.

Including tow fee car now stands me $960.....see if I can knock that down a tad more over the week.

Oh the guy who bought hood was turbo single cam. I noticed he was missing an injector cover.....he says well you are to from your srt4....I dug through parts and hooked him up with one.....he goes in trunk and whips out an srt4 injector cover....score, last piece I was missing.

Think I'm going to clean engine bay this weekend.....even though I am pulling it out it's sacrelidge for it to look like that.

[ryboto]

I'm doing an engine swap soon, and then months after, a new paint job...but mine wont be show worthy, I just don't care to keep it that sparkly clean...no time man! Not to say I don't clean it at all...

[chew*]

Compression and leak down. Testing done hot.

Cyl 1.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_131313_zpsf0840000.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_132129_zps4f71f092.jpg

Cyl 2.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_131443_zps87839113.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_132400_zps06af560e.jpg

Cyl 3.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_131543_zps3aabeb8c.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_132546_zps715f62fa.jpg

Cyl 4.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_131638_zpsee2c2238.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_132725_zpsad9a43ab.jpg

To sum it all up looks like I scored a preety well balanced and healthy engine.

[ZenEffect]

very nice.. cant see the pics here at work though :rolleyes:

still need your zip so i can send you $$$ for that deck.

*edit*

i see the pics now... looks like our assumptions were right. motor appears to have been rebuilt then promptly wrapped around a tree.

[chew*]

Worked on interior today.

Crap photos but this is what you get when you cross a SRT interior with a leather package R/T.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_180306_zps8ac127e3.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_180203_zps332883bb.jpg

Cleaned up afterwards and a couple shots.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_174952_zpsfddeb774.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121018_174935_zps02a659b4.jpg

[charged3800z24]

Very Nice looking indeed!

[chew*]

It looks nice and clean and just a tad sporty with just a touch of rice to get people to say hey lets screw with this ricer.

Perfect sleeper.

[ilkkahy]

One thing pops into my mind. Cars??? I thought this is AMD-section?

[chew*]

One thing pops into my mind. Cars??? I thought this is AMD-section?

My neon pcm contains components made by alchemy semicondutor so I guess that counts. :yepp::rofl::ROTF:

[Leeghoofd]

One thing pops into my mind. Cars??? I thought this is AMD-section?

Dude if you hear the name Chew* you know it links to AMD...

Welcome back B, nice to see you being as passionate with cars now then you were with hardware back then... Hope all works out now Brian !

[chew*]

Seems they played the who needs a crash bar game....which is odd because it sure looks like it would have fit fine......

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121020_152520_zps93895d74.jpg

Mystery solved of which IC this is.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121020_152512_zps4fb7da70.jpg

Stored car away for now till I recover from purshase and can afford to put it in the other with all new seals/gaskets etc etc.

[BeepBeep2]

Really cool stuff Brian :)

As you can see I picked up the LN2 OC game.

Oddly enough I'm interested in cars too, my dad has an '86 Stang 5.0L GT and it is in dire need of a clean up, lots of body work and paint, a few dents removed in the doors, and it runs but not well...
Want to do a restoration.

[chew*]

I've got enough stuff on my plate for the time being before I even think of starting anything else. I'm just posting my personal car, not the others I help with.

As far as my approach to body works its simple. No bondo. Replace panels instead.

[chew*]

Interior shots. This is a combination of 5 diff years and 5 different submodels, etc etc you couldn't order an interior package this way if you were donald trump.....

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121030_160609.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121030_155956.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121030_160536.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121030_160437.jpg

[chew*]

Just some pics

Swapped 03-05 rear bumper with lip kit for srt rear bumper also grabbed an srt wing and installed 03-05 leather steering wheel.

Debating if I like the wing but my friend crystal said to do it.

Much happier with the way the exhaust looks now but now the color is way off to my eyes.

Mint 03 R/T leather wheel.
http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160350.jpg

Shots at various angles to see if I like the wing or not.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160236.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160255.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160308.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160322.jpg

I liked this shot for some reason

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121118_160424.jpg

[jimba86]

looking great mr chew!

Nice work!

[informal]

Awesome looking car chew!

[FlawleZ]

I gain factory qualife LSD with swap....3rd gear is weak on t850 though..... but it can be beefed up, shift selectors break but they have billet replacements. Basically you can fix the issues and they are easy to work on.

Since I will be using a swap all tuning for srt4 applies to mine....Its as simple as plugging a diablo intune in. I wanted MS but that was before I found an entire swap for cheap.

After studying a bunch of single cam forced induction neon dyno sheets it was clear that a srt swap would be the smarter choice....one of my buddies single cammed and turbod cars dynos were like an on/off switch.....power band was 4200-5200....everything else sucked. That was at 22 psi mind you.....I'd rather use just 15psi and have the engine last alot longer.

I did the 3.8 SC like 10 years ago....I ran a gutted SC bonneville beefed up a tad and with a 100 shot. I can rebuild trannies so I slapped one together that could hold the power.....unfortunately axles couldn't.
Chew* the power band is mostly dictated by the turbo used. Which turbo was used?

[chew*]

Was a hahn kit they used to sell for single jingle neons. No longer in production.

Regardless.

Stock single cam 2.0 = 132 BHP and like 100 T and thats at like 5000+ rpms.....

High output single cam does like 152 BHP at 5600 and 132T has to be 93 octane

Stock N/A 2.4 dohc is 165T 150+ BHP and that rating is like 4000 rpms on 87 octane........

Moral of story turbo or not there is no replacement for displacement.

Plus I have my DD I can play with thats single cam........

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121121_093918.jpg

New toy for it.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121121_094236.jpg

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121121_094252.jpg

[FlawleZ]

Your right there is no replacement for displacement, however the technological improvements in the turbo and tuning world have opened new doors and changed the game a bit. Have you considered going E85? Its a Godsend for us forced induction folks...

[slaveondope]

Happy belated Tday to you Chew* Thankful for all your shared knowledge here and best wishes to you and your loved ones.

[chew*]

Your right there is no replacement for displacement, however the technological improvements in the turbo and tuning world have opened new doors and changed the game a bit. Have you considered going E85? Its a Godsend for us forced induction folks...

Fuel mileage sux with E85, was just gonna run meth injection.

the same rules apply for both engines as far as improvements so the larger displacement still wins as well as better cam choices.

[chew*]

AIS 3gal fuel cell trunk mount meth kit :D Best in the buisness.

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh588/chewasterisk/IMG_20121125_182730.jpg

[64NOMIS]

Brian, I sold the BMW, need a car. Suggestions? :shrug:

[charged3800z24]

Brian, I sold the BMW, need a car. Suggestions? :shrug:

Talk about a ghost... this is the haunted thread.... What are your needs Simon?

[64NOMIS]

Talk about a ghost... this is the haunted thread.... What are your needs Simon?

I need to lease a Honda Odyssey EX.

I should buy a Buell XB12S.

I would be more comfortable with a BMW X6.

I have absolutely no idea what I will wind up with.

[Movieman]

I need to lease a Honda Odyssey EX.

I should buy a Buell XB12S.

I would be more comfortable with a BMW X6.

I have absolutely no idea what I will wind up with.

I need to lease a Honda Odyssey EX. Yes you should

I should buy a Buell XB12S. No you shouldn't

I would be more comfortable with a BMW X6. They blow bigtime

I have absolutely no idea what I will wind up with. Now you do! :D

[Tomasis]

Buy a buell for gods sake. We live once. Fk off practicality :-)

What do you think chew is tweaking for? For fun.