Raid0 and TRIM Support on Intel 11.5 OROM and Latest v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers ?

[chispy]

Been a while since i posted anything on this part of the forum :p: , some people are reporting using Latest Intel Raid OROM 11.5 and Latest v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers are saying that they are getting TRIM support while using Raid0 on Intel ICHR10 , on X58 boards , Z68 ,Z77 and X79 ??? Can someone here confirm this for me , i do not know what to believe anymore , as far as i know Intel on its last Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.5.0.1109 Alpha Version Release Notes dated August 11 , 2011. State " This release will not enable the TRIM on RAID0 feature, but it will be added in the next RST 11.5 release "

http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/11.5.htm
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-rapid-storage-technology-roadmap-windows-8-ssd-raid-trim-and-many-more/14638.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5136/intel-to-add-trim-support-for-raid-0


Now We have That next release driver the Intel talked about out in the wild wich its version v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers , my question is does it enable Trim over Raid0 yes or no ? Does it work in both OS Windos 8 and Windows 7 ? If anyone has a definite answer with data and proff please share your findings , Thanks in advance :up:

[Zaxx]

Afaik it will require Windows 8 to implement trim for raided drives...I'm sure someone else can indulge further, bed time...lol

[andressergio]

Been a while since i posted anything on this part of the forum :p: , some people are reporting using Latest Intel Raid OROM 11.5 and Latest v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers are saying that they are getting TRIM support while using Raid0 on Intel ICHR10 , on X58 boards , Z68 ,Z77 and X79 ??? Can someone here confirm this for me , i do not know what to believe anymore , as far as i know Intel on its last Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.5.0.1109 Alpha Version Release Notes dated August 11 , 2011. State " This release will not enable the TRIM on RAID0 feature, but it will be added in the next RST 11.5 release "

http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/11.5.htm
http://vr-zone.com/articles/intel-rapid-storage-technology-roadmap-windows-8-ssd-raid-trim-and-many-more/14638.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5136/intel-to-add-trim-support-for-raid-0


Now We have That next release driver the Intel talked about out in the wild wich its version v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers , my question is does it enable Trim over Raid0 yes or no ? Does it work in both OS Windos 8 and Windows 7 ? If anyone has a definite answer with data and proff please share your findings , Thanks in advance :up:

chipsy i tried the latest beta and where crap i got BSOD while trying to open SSD toolbox and got me mad

and W8 keep locking on me so im just on the safe side using W7x64 and stable raid drivers dont want more backups, rebuilds, reinstalls

im using this

Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.1.0.1006 RAID

theres new ones but dont say raid so i dont know if its better to install those or the ones i have

Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.5.0.1001 WHQL

[chispy]

Gracias my old friend i was about to use a moded Bios with Intel 11.5 OROM and those 11.5 RST Drivers , glad i asked here first :) , all i want is Trim for my aging x58 Rampage 3 eXtreme Raid0 ICHR10 Set up.

As of right now im using a Moded Bios with intel OROM Option 11.2 and Intel RST Drivers 11.2 on my ICHR10 controller and i got a little boost in performance with this moded Bios and updated OROM for Raid , on my raid0 2x Samsung 128GB Raid0.

this is the most i can get out of the old ICHR10 with my set up.



http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9173/88888888888e.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-12

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/614/7u567.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-12

Im trying to keep this Rig for a little longer , thtas why im trying to max everything out of it. Again Thank You Sergio.

[andressergio]

Gracias my old friend i was about to use a moded Bios with Intel 11.5 OROM and those 11.5 RST Drivers , glad i asked here first :) , all i want is Trim for my aging x58 Rampage 3 eXtreme Raid0 ICHR10 Set up.

As of right now im using a Moded Bios with intel OROM Option 11.2 and Intel RST Drivers 11.2 on my ICHR10 controller and i got a little boost in performance with this moded Bios and updated OROM for Raid , on my raid0 2x Samsung 128GB Raid0.

this is the most i can get out of the old ICHR10 with my set up.



http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9173/88888888888e.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-12

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/614/7u567.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-12

Im trying to keep this Rig for a little longer , thtas why im trying to max everything out of it. Again Thank You Sergio.

Un Placer ayudarte Chispy

this is what i got on my RAID0 of 2x intel SSD series 520

http://i.imgur.com/MRd42.png

[chinobino]

Apparently for TRIM to work in a RAID volume on an Intel SATA controller you must meet all of the following requirements:

1. Windows 8

2. SSD's must have ATA8-ACS support

3. BIOS with supported Intel Option ROM (latest OROM's are v11.5.0.1414, v11.2.0.1527 and Enterprise v3.1.0.2101)

4. Intel RST driver (for Windows 8) that sends an UNMAP SCSI command (latest driver's are v11.5.0.1184 Beta and Enterprise v3.1.0.1085)

I had been looking forward to this for the last couple of years but unfortunately I have four Intel X25-m G2's which don't have ATA8-ACS support.

[chispy]

thanks for the info guys , i will do some more research on this matter and if I find anything good out of it i will post it here.

[DooRules]

11.5 raid rom for x79 has shown it's face on station drivers, lots of good comments so far about w8.

http://www.station-drivers.com/index.html

[DooRules]

double post, sorry, can someone delete please

[Fernando]

Now We have That next release driver the Intel talked about out in the wild wich its version v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers , my question is does it enable Trim over Raid0 yes or no ? Does it work in both OS Windos 8 and Windows 7 ? If anyone has a definite answer with data and proff please share your findings ,Maybe your questions will be answered by my report, which has been published >here< (http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3910).

[Zaxx]

As much as I'd love to have trim for my array(s)....is that enough to get me to switch to Win8? Thus far I don't think so. Biggest reason is that SF controllers seem to do a decent looking after themselves even without trim.
So far I have a funny feeling that they'll have to pry Win7 out of my cold, dead and clinched hands. :lsfight:

[andressergio]

win8 still locks up and freezes i installed 5 times, and diff mobo, chip,

i put latest nvidia for W8, HD and all drivers and freezes randomly, like a zillion post from user reporting the same

so the idea of moving for W8 just for trim no way

tales 10 minues to recover the image from acronis and will do alignment perfect instead of trim, and of course if before you do hdderase o partedmagic and erase your SSD will be as new and aligned

[andressergio]

btw it is possible to update the ROM for RAID on the BIOS to latest Intel® RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 in that case how i do it and will work with W7 ?

thanks !
Sergio

[Fernando]

btw it is possible to update the ROM for RAID on the BIOS to latest Intel® RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 in that case how i do it and will work with W7 ?1. Yes, it is possible to update the Intel RAID ROM version of the mainboard BIOS.
2. I have written a tutorial about how to do it. You can find it >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/16658-bios-modding-how-to-update-pci-rom-modules-of-an-ami-phoenix-award-bios/).
3. The updated PCI ROM modules will work with each Windows Operating System (XP, Win7, Win8 etc.).

[andressergio]

1. Yes, it is possible to update the Intel RAID ROM version of the mainboard BIOS.
2. I have written a tutorial about how to do it. You can find it >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/16658-bios-modding-how-to-update-pci-rom-modules-of-an-ami-phoenix-award-bios/).
3. The updated PCI ROM modules will work with each Windows Operating System (XP, Win7, Win8 etc.).

thanks Fernando u think this Intel® RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 will work with W7x64 ? and latest drivers 11.5.XXX ??

[Fernando]

u think this Intel® RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 will work with W7x64 ? and latest drivers 11.5.XXX ??On my Intel Z68 system with 2x128GB Crucial M4 SSD's as RAID0 both nstalled Operating Systems Win7 x64 and Win8 x64 are running fine with the combination Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 + RSTe drivers v11.5.0.1184.

[andressergio]

On my Intel Z68 system with 2x128GB Crucial M4 SSD's as RAID0 both nstalled Operating Systems Win7 x64 and Win8 x64 are running fine with the combination Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 + RSTe drivers v11.5.0.1184.

amazing but i see aint easy to replace it im kinda scared to do it :( i also read i have to replace AHCI ROM as well...i would love to but im off skills to do it

[Fernando]

i also read i have to replace AHCI ROM as well...No, the Intel AHCI ROM will be updated automaticly after having updated the Intel RAID ROM module.

[andressergio]

ahh ok

so what about the device that manual points to i actually have this

BIOS 0903.cap loaded with the tool

http://i.imgur.com/3oKYn.jpg


Now to extract i have 3 devices wich i dont know wich one i have to choose

http://i.imgur.com/irHlC.jpg


if you can help me i appreciatte very much, from where i get that info ? wich device is ? i tried to find it on devices, and intel RST

Thanks a lot
Sergio

[Fernando]

Now to extract i have 3 devices wich i dont know wich one i have to choose
if you can help me i appreciatte very much, from where i get that info ? wich device is ?Please read my tutorial regarding that point.
You should scroll down the Link-ID box menue. The first 4 letters mean the VendorID (VEN_8086 is Intel) and the second 3 or 4 letters mean the DeviceID (DEV_2822 is the "Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller" and DEV_282a is the "Intel(R) Mobile Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller").
So search for the Link-ID 8086,2822, which is the suitable RAID device for your Z77 desktop system. If you should not find 8086,2822, you can take 8086,282a, which usually is designed for Mobile systems (both devices are using the same ROM module).

[chispy]

Thank you for all this new information Fernando , apretiate it ! I see you are everywhere Fernando and that's a good thing , your reaching and helping out others , your help its very welcome :) , Thank You. Question how about older chipset like mine Asus Rampage 3 extreme X58 ? do you know if OROM 11.5 it will work ok on this chipset x58 ? and also latest RST Driver 11.5 ? if you do not know i will give it a try and post results here. Let me know if you have the answer if not ill be the guinea pig and try it on my x58 :p:.

[chispy]

Fernando i have share your findings and gave you all the credit you desrve for this finding here: Would you please anwer some guys questions here if possible ? Thank you:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4366877&posted=1#post4366877

[andressergio]

Yes indeed chispy he opened my eyes on this matter
Thanks Fernando for the great job
Saludos desde Uruguay
Sergio

[andressergio]

Please read my tutorial regarding that point.
You should scroll down the Link-ID box menue. The first 4 letters mean the VendorID (VEN_8086 is Intel) and the second 3 or 4 letters mean the DeviceID (DEV_2822 is the "Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller" and DEV_282a is the "Intel(R) Mobile Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller").
So search for the Link-ID 8086,2822, which is the suitable RAID device for your Z77 desktop system. If you should not find 8086,2822, you can take 8086,282a, which usually is designed for Mobile systems (both devices are using the same ROM module).
Yes im reading and what i show u is the only ids that the program sees on the asus maximus gene 5 so i guess i have to use the 282a as the other doesnt exist

[Zaxx]

Question how about older chipset like mine Asus Rampage 3 extreme X58 ? do you know if OROM 11.5 it will work ok on this chipset x58 ? and also latest RST Driver 11.5 ? if you do not know i will give it a try and post results here. Let me know if you have the answer if not ill be the guinea pig and try it on my x58 :p:.

Pretty sure using the 11.5 the orom and RST 11.5 driver isn't too hard but it may or may not yield a 'noticeable' difference with the exception of slightly improved benchmarks, it may not be worth the effort but then it might.

Here is a modded BIOS thread if you wanna read up...

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forums/25-BIOS-Mods

[Fernando]

Question how about older chipset like mine Asus Rampage 3 extreme X58 ? do you know if OROM 11.5 it will work ok on this chipset x58 ? and also latest RST Driver 11.5 ?Although I don't have an Intel x58 chipset system, I am sure, that the Intel RST(e) drivers of the v11.5 series will support it (the needed HardwareID's are present within the INF files). The Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1414 will be usable too.
The only thing, which has to be investigated, is the behaviour of the x58 chipset SATA Controller regarding the SCSI filter driver named iaStorF.sys. My Intel Z68 chipset system is working without the filter driver in Win8 (the RAID0 is no SCSI disk device), that is why the Trim command may be able to pass through the RAID Controller.

I am awaiting your test results.

Regards
Fernando

[chispy]

Ok Fernando here i go For my testing using ROM 11.5.01414 and RST v11.5.0.1184, on page 1 you can see my speeds using the moded Bios done by ZioGTS for Asus R3E x58 Asus Rampage III Extreme 1601_S02 ZioMod , using ATTO and AS SSD benchmarks on Intel x58 ICHR10 Sata 2 Raid0 128k stripe size. for references i will re-run it again now before i clone this drive , i will be testing using w7 x64bit for 1 week doing heavy benchmarks to see if it is working properly and if maybe Trim works in w7 x64bit or if i get at least a speed boost using windows 7 , Sorry i hate w8 so no testing will be done on w8 as i will not use it anyways. Give me a few hours for back up , cloning and flash Bios Raid OROM , Clean Erase the drives and a fresh new intall of w7x64 bit Raid0 i will post ATTO and AS SSD after im done so that we can compare


" This is the latest available 1601 R3E beta bios with updated IRST, Marvell, Jmicron OROMs and injected SLIC 2.1 tables:

Intel® ICH10R SATA RAID Controller: v11.2.0.1527
JMicron JMB36X Controller: v1.07.28
Marvell 91xx SATA 6G Controller - Bios : v1.0.0.1033*
Marvell 91xx SATA 6G Controller - Firmware: v2.2.0.1125*
Marvell 91xx SATA 6G Controller - Bootloader: v1.0.1.0002b*
SLIC 2.1: ASUS (SSV3/MMtool method) "
Asus Rampage III Extreme 1601_S02 ZioMod
Here-http://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-Asus-Rampage-III-Extreme-1601-S02-ZioMod-OROM-modules

[chispy]

Dual Post

[acebmxer]

If anyone with a Gigabyte motherboard looking for a modified bios can find them here http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/48085-gigabyte-modified-bios.html.

[chispy]

Intel Raid ROM V.11.5.0.1414
Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006
Test # 1
Asus R3E X58 ICHR10
W7x64 bit
Raid0 128k Stripe size used
AS SSD
ATTO

7/18/2012 11.55PM

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By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-18

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/7055/asssdbiosraidrom115rstd.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-18

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8899/attobench115orom112driv.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-18

Findings: Bios Raid ROM 11.5.0.1414 its faster than Bios Raid ROM 11.2 even with RST Driver 11.2.0.1006 as shown in the bench tests AS SSD and ATTO. It wont let me update to Intel Driver RST 11.5 , the system says it's using the latest driver and it's up to date. I will now re-install w7 x64bit installling RST Driver pressing f6 during w7x64 fresh installation and i will report back in a few hours.



Second Part

Test # 2

Intel Raid ROM V.11.5.0.1414
Intel RST Driver 11.5.0.1184
Test # 2
Asus R3E X58 ICHR10
2x Samsung 830 128GB SSDs Raid0 , Secure Erased Both SSDs
W7x64 SP1 bit Clean Fresh Install with all updates
Raid0 128k Stripe size used
AS SSD
ATTO

7/19/2012 3:32AM

AS SSD

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/4964/rst115raidrom115test1as.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-19

ATTO

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/863/rst115raidrom115test2at.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-19

My Findings and Conclusion: More Performance out of the combination of using both , Bios ROM 11.5 and RST Driver 11.5 , so far this is the best combination of driver RST and Bios Raid ROM for a good bump in performance , Writes did improved the most. Much more ballanced performance across. Very stable so far. I will hammered it with a lot of work and benchmarks for one week to see how the performance has degraded , or if by miracle some kind of TRIM or garbage collection its past trhu the Raid0 but as simple drives and not as a Raid0 array , time and testing will tell us next week wednesday 25th of July i will post the same benchmarks AS SSD and ATTO to see how far degradation has taken this array in one week thru hell.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Test # 3 and conclusion.

7/25/2012 10:34AM

One week has passed since i have started torture testing my Raid0 array , testing mode used as follow: 3 consecutive runs of each benchmark 5 times a day for a whole week AS SSD , ATTO , Cristal Disk , Anvil Storage Utilities , HD Tune , HDD Tach , Lots of writes and Lots of Reads + Large transfer files of BR Movies and huge pictures from diferent drives to and from the Raid0 array non stop for hours on end each day for 7 days , drive was used 24/7. Here its the real time performance of the same Raid0 array of 2x 128 Samsung SSDs on Intel ICHR10 x58 Using Intel Raid ROM V.11.5.0.1414 , Intel RST Driver 11.5.0.1184.

AS SSD

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2827/hhhhoy.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-25

ATTO

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/7886/hoyq.jpg
By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-25


Final Conclusion and my own opinion / understanding: YES some kind of Trim and or garbage collection its working under w7x64bit restoring performance back to optimal speeds , It is to my opinion and understanding that under w7 x64 there some new files within the driver that Fernando discover earlier namely C:\windows\system32\DRIVERS\iaStorF.sys , this file its some kind of new filter for the function of the new 11.5 RST Driver , this filter must be seen the SCSI device in the Raid0 array as single drives and passing TRIM and or some kind of Garbage Collection as it is the only logical conclusion after the rigorous torture testing done for 7 days to this Raid0 array , i observe very bad degradation on Reads and Writes after the 5th pass of all the bencmark test , the system Reads went down to 294 max reads and 232 Max writes on AS SSD and ATTO , but once i let iddle for a couple of hours the Performance went back up and was completely restored to optimal speeds. I will try to contact Intel for an explanation and if they answer my questions i will post them here , feel free to do your own testing , im done with mine and i did prove to myself that yes definitely something its improving performance back after iddle time of about 2 hours of iddle system time. Feel free to discuss my findings and if you have a better theory and understanding with real data as proff + extensive testing please let us discuss here :) , Long live W7 x64bit :thumbup:


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By chispy (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chispy) at 2012-07-25

[Fernando]

Findings: Bios Raid ROM 11.5.0.1414 its faster than Bios Raid ROM 11.2 even with RST Driver 11.2.0.1006 as shown in the bench tests AS SSD and ATTO.This is an interesting result.

It wont let me update to Intel Driver RST 11.5 , the system says it's using the latest driver and it's up to date.The MS Operating Systems prefer WHQL certified drivers. That is why you get the misleading message, if you try to replace a WHQL driver by a driver without WHQL certifcate.
This is the way to force the driver installation of an unsigned driver: Right click onto the Controller > "Update driver software" > "Browse my computer ...." > "Let me pick ...." > "Have Disk" > Point to the related INF file of the desired driver > "OK".

[chispy]

Fernando i updated my last post with the new benchamarks and much beter numbers using Intel Bios ROM 11.5.0.1414 in combination with RST Driver 11.5.0.1184 take a look at the jump in performance on those writes :) , so far so good.

[chinobino]

Interesting results Chispy.

I found I got the best results so far from the Intel RST driver v11.2.0.1006 with OROM v11.2.0.1527 (already in the latest BIOS for my motherboard).

I am extremely close to the maximum performance I can possibly get from 4 x 80GB Intel X-25m in RAID0 (using the Intel ICH).

Intel Raid ROM 11.2.0.1527
Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006
Test # 1
ASRock Z77 Fatal1ty Pro (BIOS 1.30)
Windows 8 RP x64 bit
Raid0 32k Stripe size used
AS SSD

Windows Write cache buffer flushing disabled
128543

Intel Raid ROM 11.2.0.1527
Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006
Test # 2
ASRock Z77 Fatal1ty Pro (BIOS 1.30)
Windows 8 RP x64 bit
Raid0 32k Stripe size used
AS SSD

Windows Write cache buffer flushing enabled
128544

[andressergio]

this are my results on the M5G Z77 with 2x Intel 520 series SataIII 120GB

BEFORE

BIOS 0903 + Intel® RAID ROM 11.0.0.1339 + Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.1.0.1006 RAID (vanila BIOS not modded)

http://i.imgur.com/cWu84.jpg

AFTER

BIOS 1101 + Intel® RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 + Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 11.5.0.1184 Beta (modded BY stasio (BIG THANKS !!!)

http://i.imgur.com/vLq3m.jpg


overall improved will keep testing !!!

[Fernando]

Now We have That next release driver the Intel talked about out in the wild wich its version v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers , my question is does it enable Trim over Raid0 yes or no ? Does it work in both OS Windos 8 and Windows 7 ? If anyone has a definite answer with data and proff please share your findingsMaybe you will get an answer to your question by my recent contribution at station-drivers (look >here< (http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3910&start=19)).

@ andressergio:
That looks really good!

@ all:
Although the users with an Intel RAID0 system already may know it, I want to mention, that the following settings are necessary to get the best Intel RAID0 write performance: enable both write cache options within the Device Manager ("Drives" > "Intel RAID0" device >"Properties" > tab "Policies")
enable "Write Back Caching" from within the Intel RSTe Console ("Adminstration" > "Advanced")

[Zaxx]

@ chisby...afaik Windows 7 is not capable of passing the trim command (I forget the actual reason) to raided drives...it's gonna be a Windows 8 only thing I'm afraid. I have no problem with MS tinkering with the user interface (i.e. Metro and no start button) BUT I can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't make it possible to switch back to the original desktop style for those who prefer it (~90% imo) instead of the touch screen geared Metro..."I don't want no stinking tablet!"

[andressergio]

Maybe you will get an answer to your question by my recent contribution at station-drivers (look >here< (http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3910&start=19)).

@ andressergio:
That looks really good!

@ all:
Although the users with an Intel RAID0 system already may know it, I want to mention, that the following settings are necessary to get the best Intel RAID0 write performance: enable both write cache options within the Device Manager ("Drives" > "Intel RAID0" device >"Properties" > tab "Policies")
enable "Write Back Caching" from within the Intel RSTe Console ("Adminstration" > "Advanced")

thanks Fernando ;)

looks good with new ROM and drivers...i think i had better reading with no 11.5 drivers but i have to try it cauz if you see the 4k section improved a lot !

cheers !!!
Sergio

[andressergio]

@ chisby...afaik Windows 7 is not capable of passing the trim command (I forget the actual reason) to raided drives...it's gonna be a Windows 8 only thing I'm afraid. I have no problem with MS tinkering with the user interface (i.e. Metro and no start button) BUT I can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't make it possible to switch back to the original desktop style for those who prefer it (~90% imo) instead of the touch screen geared Metro..."I don't want no stinking tablet!"

are using W8x64 Zaxx i got tired of the damn lockups that lot of ppl have...

[chispy]

Guys i keep hammering the Raid0 array daily torture test , with all benchmarks available , also doing a lot of writes and reads all day , transfering huge images , pictures , BR Movies and what not , you guys will be surprised at my findings next wednesday i will have some proff , until then i will keep the torture going non stop , to check for Raid0 degradation in performance if there is any

[Computurd]

Chispy, there is a simple test that you can do to see if TRIM is working that will not take as long, it is just a simple run of PCMV hdd suite when the drives are freshly sanitary erased. Then, write the entire capacity of the drive to 100% fill, then delete. Run PCMV HDD suite again, and compare the results :)

[Fernando]

@ all:

Just for your information:
Yesterday night Intel has published new official RST(e) drivers v11.5.0.1207 WHQL. You can get them from >here< (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=21593).

[radier]

Thnx for the info !

[chispy]

*** Updated My Post Number 30 with my findings and conclusion after extensive testing and data collection for 7 days with Regards to Trim and or Garbage Collection on W7 x64bit , a big yes it is working.

@ Computurd , i will try that later today and will post back the results.

im still amaze of those results and I believe Intel needs to disclose information regarding this matter , i will try to contact them and if i get an answer i will post it here , lets keep discusing this subject i am intrigue.

[Zaxx]

@ all:

Just for your information:
Yesterday night Intel has published new official RST(e) drivers v11.5.0.1207 WHQL. You can get them from >here< (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=21593).

Big thx for the info. Well, I have one half of the equation...now to find a 11.5 orom bios for an Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen3. I'm getting curious now.

[Fernando]

[
*** Updated My Post Number 30 with my findings and conclusion after extensive testing and data collection for 7 days with Regards to Trim and or Garbage Collection on W7 x64bit , a big yes it is working.That is really very good news! Thank you for your efforts to test it!


..now to find a 11.5 orom bios for an Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen3. I'm getting curious now.Why don't you do it yourself? It is very easy, if you follow my guide (>LINK< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/16658-bios-modding-how-to-update-pci-rom-modules-of-an-ami-phoenix-award-bios/)). The required Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 can be downloaded from >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/16649-ahci-raid-rom-module-bereits-extrahiert/).

[m.oreilly]

win7 does not issue an unmap command. can't do it. only win8 can. win7 is missing this option in it's api. chisp, are you running win8?

[andressergio]

@ all:

Just for your information:
Yesterday night Intel has published new official RST(e) drivers v11.5.0.1207 WHQL. You can get them from >here< (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=21593).

wow cool thanks Fernando !!!

still no clue if TRIM works for RAID0 on W7 right ? i read a zillion threads but only clue i get is to look in CristalDiskInfo and says YES but how do you execute it or works alone ? i remember that for my intel there's the SSD toolbox but i dont know if they will release a newer one

cheers
Sergio

[chispy]

Hola MR. Oreilly im running W7x64bit SP1 all Updates , I'm so intrigue by my findings and still trying to find a logical explanation for this matter. But as per my long 7 days long test it Does shows Performance its back up to optimal speeds after the System iddle time for ~ 2 hours , " from my post # 30 , 7 Day Test """" i observe very bad degradation on Reads and Writes after the 5th pass of all the bencmark test , the system Reads went down to 294 max reads and 232 Max writes on AS SSD and ATTO , but once i let iddle for a ~couple of hours the Performance went back up and was completely restored to optimal speeds"""

[andressergio]

Hola MR. Oreilly im running W7x64bit SP1 all Updates , I'm so intrigue by my findings and still trying to find a logical explanation for this matter. But as per my long 7 days long test it Does shows Performance its back up to optimal speeds after the System iddle time for ~ 2 hours , " from my post # 30 , 7 Day Test """" i observe very bad degradation on Reads and Writes after the 5th pass of all the bencmark test , the system Reads went down to 294 max reads and 232 Max writes on AS SSD and ATTO , but once i let iddle for a ~couple of hours the Performance went back up and was completely restored to optimal speeds"""

i just observed that ASSD benchmark varies a lot on every shoot i give, im not sure if trim is working...using RAID ROM 11.5 latest + latest drivers Fernando publlished

btw on this combo my 4k write went a up a lot ! i got a score of 1180 now sometimes more sometimes less

[Zaxx]

win7 does not issue an unmap command. can't do it. only win8 can. win7 is missing this option in it's api. chisp, are you running win8?

That what I thought...posted on previous page. Thus far, being able to trim raided drives array isn't NEAR enuff to force me to use Metro...unless they make the old UI an option I'm not budging from 7. My array has been doing just fine thus far.

[m.oreilly]

andressergio, looks like you did not have write back caching on your first as ssd pic. that would explain the lower score...

[m.oreilly]

arg...these drivers are just awful on my x79 system. 11.0 and 11.2 are very nice. all the 11.5 seem to do is lower performance, even on my z68 with the 11.5 orom...

[andressergio]

andressergio, looks like you did not have write back caching on your first as ssd pic. that would explain the lower score...

thanks mate for ya help with new drivers score is better and i do have cache activated will do a screenshot for ya

here look how much improved compared to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282039-Raid0-and-TRIM-Support-on-Intel-11.5-OROM-and-Latest-v11.5.0.1184-RST-Drivers/page2

RAID ROM 11.5 latests + latest RST certified

http://i.imgur.com/VOvww.jpg

[Highendtoys]

From what I've gathered, SCSI unmap is not on the public builds yet.

[Marc HFR]

The simpliest way to verify if TRIM is working is with WinHEX

1/ Copy a JPEG file (for example) to the root directory of your RAID
2/ Open WinHEX then press F9 (Open Disk) then choose your RAID partition
3/ Choose your files and look at his content, note the first cluster / offset
4/ Then delete the file under Windows
5/ Under WinHEX press F9 to reopen your partition and choose "Take a new one"

=> When you choose your (deleted) file you must see 00 00 00 or FF FF FF (etc.) instead of the old content. If the content did not change then TRIM is not ok.
=> If the file is not here use alt+g or ctrl+g to go to the good location and see if you got 00 00 00 or FF FF FF (etc.) or the older data

Example :

http://www.hardware.fr/marc/rst_11.2_ahci.png

One SSD, AHCI, RST 11.2 : ok

http://www.hardware.fr/marc/rst_11.5_raid.png

Two SSD, RAID 0, RST 11.5 : bad

But for the moment i don't have a bios with ROM raid 11.5.0.1414 for my motherboard

[andressergio]

The simpliest way to verify if TRIM is working is with WinHEX

1/ Copy a JPEG file (for example) to the root directory of your RAID
2/ Open WinHEX then press F9 (Open Disk) then choose your RAID partition
3/ Choose your files and look at his content
4/ Then delete the file under Windows
5/ Under WinHEX press F9 to reopen your partition and choose "Take a new one"

=> When you choose your (deleted) file you must see 00 00 00 (etc.) instead of the old content. If the content did not change then TRIM is not ok.

Example :

http://www.hardware.fr/marc/rst_11.2_ahci.png

One SSD, AHCI, RST 11.2 : ok

http://www.hardware.fr/marc/rst_11.5_raid.png

Two SSD, RAID 0, RST 11.5 : bad

But for the moment i don't have a bios with ROM raid 11.5.0.1414 for my motherboard

i do have new raid ROM and latest 11.5 certified i tried your method but i dont see the file anymore...

here pics

i copied

http://i.imgur.com/e7SGB.jpg

deleted and where is the file ? i followed you procedure exact

http://i.imgur.com/kElpc.jpg

[Marc HFR]

Strange you don't get the filed marked as deleted

What about choose OK instead of Take a new one ?

[andressergio]

Strange you don't get the filed marked as deleted

What about choose OK instead of Take a new one ?

i did like 3 times and nope it doesnt appear even with OK :shrug:

[Marc HFR]

Strange, i'm not on the same PC here so i can't check, in fact i test with a larger file than a simple JPEG (2 or 4 GB video file) file but i thought it was the same with a smaller one. In any case just note the first cluster / offset when the file is here and go to the same location after it's deleted.

[Marc HFR]

Just testing on another machine and it works as expected but not every time

If i choose "Take a new one" i see the file marked as deleted and content is 00 00 00 etc.
If i choose "OK" i see the file since file listing is not up to date but the content is 00 00 00 etc.

BTW when you do not see the file after hitting "Take a new one" use alt+g or ctrl+g to go to the good location

[andressergio]

Strange, i'm not on the same PC here so i can't check, in fact i test with a larger file than a simple JPEG (2 or 4 GB video file) file but i thought it was the same with a smaller one. In any case just note the first cluster / offset when the file is here and go to the same location after it's deleted.


Just testing on another machine and it works as expected but not every time

If i choose "Take a new one" i see the file marked as deleted and content is 00 00 00 etc.
If i choose "OK" i see the file since file listing is not up to date but the content is 00 00 00 etc.

BTW when you do not see the file after hitting "Take a new one" use alt+g or ctrl+g to go to the good location

ok man thanks i will try again :)

[andressergio]

here's the result file removed even from Recycle bin

if i do as you say still file isnt there, but when i click the first snapshot instead of all hexa nrs its shows this:

http://i.imgur.com/57PnQ.jpg

maybe its working...what do you think ?

cauz here is the file when i just copied after deletion

http://i.imgur.com/AaxSg.jpg

cheers and thanks for the help
Sergio

[Marc HFR]

If you got 00 00 when looking in the (old) file content then it's ok, so it is :)

[andressergio]

If you got 00 00 when looking in the (old) file content then it's ok, so it is :)

:) seem so right ? you saw the pics ?

[Marc HFR]

Yes, for the first screen

For the second screen i don't understand what do you want to show since you are on cluster 2 instead of 7059097

[andressergio]

Yes, for the first screen

For the second screen i don't understand what do you want to show since you are on cluster 2 instead of 7059097

sorry i wanted to show that the file newed copied shows the hexa instead of 0

look at today after been idle some hours

http://i.imgur.com/J2eCN.jpg

[Arctucas]

I have 4 SSD in RAID0 on ICH10 (X58 chipset board) with OROM 11.5.0.1414 and IRST 11.5.0.1207 installed. Windows 7 U x64 SP1.

I have been trying the procedure outlined here, but it does not appear that TRIM is working, that is; the clusters never zero out.

Is that to be expected?

[Fernando]

I have 4 SSD in RAID0 on ICH10 (X58 chipset board) with OROM 11.5.0.1414 and IRST 11.5.0.1207 installed. Windows 7 U x64 SP1.
I have been trying the procedure outlined here, but it does not appear that TRIM is working, that is; the clusters never zero out.
Is that to be expected?Not expected, but that seems to be the truth:
Until now only users with an Intel Z77 chipset mainboard have verified, that the Trim command really works within the RAID0 array. So i think, that an Ivy Bridge system is required to get benefit of this new Trim feature.

Not even my Z68 RAID0 system seems to be supported by the Trim feature of the actual RST 11.5 ROM/Drivers combination (unless I have done a mistake). I have just tested it with the tool HxD. You can see the pictures >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/3141-intel-r-rapid-storage-technologie-aktuell-rst-v11-5-0-1207-whql-bzw-rste-v3-2-0-1126-whql/index20.html#post152257).

[andressergio]

Not expected, but that seems to be the truth:
Until now only users with an Intel Z77 chipset mainboard have verified, that the Trim command really works within the RAID0 array. So i think, that an Ivy Bridge system is required to get benefit of this new Trim feature.

Not even my Z68 RAID0 system seems to be supported by the Trim feature of the actual RST 11.5 ROM/Drivers combination (unless I have done a mistake). I have just tested it with the tool HxD. You can see the pictures >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/3141-intel-r-rapid-storage-technologie-aktuell-rst-v11-5-0-1207-whql-bzw-rste-v3-2-0-1126-whql/index20.html#post152257).

Hey Fernando !!!

from my tests seems working and as u can see score improves after idle some time, i let the PC dld some stuff and today i took a ASSD test and was really surprised

see this was first run with JUST INSALLED NEW ROM and drivers

http://i.imgur.com/qNh8w.jpg


and some days after....

getting better

http://i.imgur.com/lQYFf.jpg

[m.oreilly]

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/forum/showthread.php?102166-TRIM-RAID-yes-now-with-RST-11-5-Beta&p=746938#post746938
i also assumed zero would be still programmed nand...

[m.oreilly]

if these as ssd results are what you are going by, check out mine, and i'm not using any drivers or an os that would facilitate trim:

night before last, after some heavy storage benching:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3518/726c.png

afer reboot the next day (i believe the difference would be because of GC, not raid trim...):
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1815/holys.png

[andressergio]

if these as ssd results are what you are going by, check out mine, and i'm not using any drivers or an os that would facilitate trim:

night before last, after some heavy storage benching:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3518/726c.png

afer reboot the next day (i believe the difference would be because of GC, not raid trim...):
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1815/holys.png

nice score mate

what is GC ?

[Fernando]

what is GC ?GC stands for "Garbage Collection".

Just for your information: I just have published the following statement within the Guru3D Forum (>LINK< (http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=4373614&postcount=56)):


@Fernando,
Per your comment on the XS forum; it only works on Windows 7 if you have a Z77 board, correct?Until now I know about 3 users with the required RST(e) drivers/ROM version combination, who have published their test results: btester aka SSDFreak (board: GIGABYTE Z77X-UD5H, OS: Win7 x64)
He has published his test results >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/3141-intel-r-rapid-storage-technologie-aktuell-rst-v11-5-0-1207-whql-bzw-rste-v3-2-0-1126-whql/index19.html#post152219), >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/3141-intel-r-rapid-storage-technologie-aktuell-rst-v11-5-0-1207-whql-bzw-rste-v3-2-0-1126-whql/index19.html#post152235) and >here< (http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f227/neuer-intel-rapid-storage-treiber-mit-trim-700639-33.html#post19220872).
andressergio (board: ASUS Maximus 5 Gene, OS: Win7 x64)
You can find his test results >here< (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282039-Raid0-and-TRIM-Support-on-Intel-11.5-OROM-and-Latest-v11.5.0.1184-RST-Drivers&p=5123081&viewfull=1#post5123081).
Fernando=me (board: ASUS P8Z68-V, OS: Win7 x64 and Win8 x64 on different RAID partitions)
I have published my test results >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/3141-intel-r-rapid-storage-technologie-aktuell-rst-v11-5-0-1207-whql-bzw-rste-v3-2-0-1126-whql/index20.html#post152248). The screenshots were taken while running Win8 x64, but the results with Win7 x64 were exactly the same.
All 3 users have done a quite similar test to verify, if Trim is working within the RAID or not: Copy any file into the root of drive C (= OS partition),
Open Drive C with a Hex Editor and search for the Offset and Sector data of the just copied file.
Delete the file and empty the Recycle Bin.
After some minutes reopen Drive C with the Hex Editor and search again for the test file data (enter the previously noticed Offset/Sector digits)
If you see just Hex data 00 00 00 00 00, the Trim resp. Unmap command has cleaned the related SSD cells.
My conclusion: Trim/Unmap obviously works within the RAID0 array unter Win7.
Preconditions: mainboard with an Intel Z77 chipset (it probably will work with other Intel chipsets of the 7-Series too),
BIOS with an Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 and
use of the actual Intel RST(e) drivers of the v11.5 series (v11.5.0.1184 or higher).
My own test results show, that Trim/Unmap obviously is not working within the RAID array, if the system has an Intel Z68 chipset (neither on Win7 nor on Win8).

[radier]

Preconditions:

a. mainboard with an Intel Z77 chipset (it probably will work with other Intel chipsets of the 7-Series too)

It should be: mainboard with ICH10R southbridge

[Fernando]

It should be: mainboard with ICH10R southbridgeWhy that?
Do you know anybody with an ICH10R southbridge, who has verified, that Trim/Unmap is working within his/her RAID0 array?

[radier]

Z77, Z68, P67, X58 are just few examples of popular chipset that has ICH10R inside.

[Fernando]

Z77, Z68, P67, X58 are just few examples of popular chipset that has ICH10R inside.Please reread, what I have written: Z68 chipsets are not supported by the Trim+RAID0 feature and I dont think, that P67 or X58 are!

[radier]

Then you are wrong apparently. Z77 is no different than Z68 in terms of SATA controller.

As for now release notes for RST 11.5 WHQL are missing and no official info was given about TRIM in RAID 0.

Your experiments does not prove anything.

BR,

[andressergio]

Then you are wrong apparently. Z77 is no different than Z68 in terms of SATA controller.

As for now release notes for RST 11.5 WHQL are missing and no official info was given about TRIM in RAID 0.

Your experiments does not prove anything.

BR,

Chill mate...we are not fighting here just trying to discover what going on with this new ROMS and drivers, a job that intel and others should published clear and cloudy as they did...

[m.oreilly]

if these as ssd results are what you are going by, check out mine, and i'm not using any drivers or an os that would facilitate trim:

night before last, after some heavy storage benching:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3518/726c.png

afer reboot the next day (i believe the difference would be because of GC, not raid trim...):
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1815/holys.png

just amazing. my GC/non 'trim' results are way more dramatic than any of the so called trim results in this thread...
this morning, system uptime 15 minutes, cup of coffee, and a couple of benches:

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/973/dangnb.png

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/5600/dang2.png

100% incompressible test data too...

[m.oreilly]

you guys should be lobbying intel for their intel here. on one hand we have MS saying 'no win7 trim', and intel saying 'raid trim', but not delineating which os they claim trim to be working under, though just because the drivers are for several os do not mean that win7 is in with win 8, unmap wise. trimmed data should not be zeros, it should be ones or 0xFF. i hope intel put out a clearer message as to what they are claiming...

[Fernando]

Then you are wrong apparently. Z77 is no different than Z68 in terms of SATA controller.If there is no difference in terms of SATA Controller, why do the SATA AHCI Controllers have different DeviceID's (DEV_3A22 = "Intel(R) ICH10R SATA AHCI Controller", DEV_1C02 = "Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA AHCI Controller")?


As for now release notes for RST 11.5 WHQL are missing and no official info was given about TRIM in RAID 0.If you run the RST Console Software of the latest official Intel RST driverpacks and hit "Help" > "Introduction" you can see the required "official info" given by Intel about TRIM in RAID0:
TRIM
This feature provides support for all pass-through solid-state drives (SSDs) in your storage system that meets the ATA-8 protocol requirements. Also, support is provided for SSDs that are part of a RAID 0 array.
Everything clear?


Your experiments does not prove anything.I trust my own experiments more than any info of a vendor, who primarily wants to earn money.

[m.oreilly]

clear? no. no os is mentioned, and it would rely on the unmap commands sent down. why do you think we are seeing 'scsi' even for single drives? the drivers will pass through an unmap command, but there isn't one from win7.

[Fernando]

why do you think we are seeing 'scsi' even for single drives? the drivers will pass through an unmap command, but there isn't one from win7.Win7 is not able to send the UNMAP command, but the Intel SCSI filter driver iaStorF.sys is able to change the Trim command to an Unmap command. That is the reason why Intel is now using 2 drivers simultaneously (iaStorF+iaStorA.sys), whereas the "normal" Intel MSM and RST drivers always had just 1 single driver named iaStor.sys.

[andressergio]

Win7 is not able to send the UNMAP command, but the Intel SCSI filter driver iaStorF.sys is able to change the Trim command to an Unmap command. That is the reason why Intel is now using 2 drivers simultaneously (iaStorF+iaStorA.sys), whereas the "normal" Intel MSM and RST drivers always had just 1 single driver named iaStor.sys.

+1 for this

[DooRules]

Any issue with loading the 11.5 rom on an x79 bios?

[m.oreilly]

Win7 is not able to send the UNMAP command, but the Intel SCSI filter driver iaStorF.sys is able to change the Trim command to an Unmap command. That is the reason why Intel is now using 2 drivers simultaneously (iaStorF+iaStorA.sys), whereas the "normal" Intel MSM and RST drivers always had just 1 single driver named iaStor.sys.

where do you get this? quite an assumption. you would need two drivers anyways: trim hint and unmap hint passthrough. single ahci+trim/ahci driver, raid would need unmap, hence the scsi. where are you getting documented info that drivers are 'converting' trim to unmap hints, and the os is oblivious to this? i know some are bandying about the idea of a low stack driver, but this is not taking into consideration the os's part, and i have not seen any working examples of this anywhere on earth documented as working. you are making a rather big assumption, and i would like again to know what you are basing your opinion on. i can find ms docs showing that win7 will not and can not pass unmap, and that it would take the os to have that in it's api, but i can't find any bona fide info re drivers creating unmap out of basic trim hints. please share...

[m.oreilly]

Any issue with loading the 11.5 rom on an x79 bios?
unless you have a dual bios option that works, i would not try it.

[m.oreilly]

ok, i'll toss out a bone. yes, there have been manufacturers that have demonstrated trim capable raid controllers, but the required windows api was not going to be changed on ms's side...some time passes, and we see win8 getting all perky and including unmap. intel is a big player, as is MS in the now burgeoning solid state storage/server market. it has to be seamless in execution, and with what we got in the pot as players, it may take some more umpf to get 'magic' drivers in place. when we see lsi and areca touting win7, or really, server 2008 r2 unmap passthrough, i'll be a believer al la that win kernel/magic drivers are here.

[m.oreilly]

ok , another bone toss. you have computurd here. sorry for the tug, but you could ask him if areca or lsi are passing on server 2008 r2 unmap drivers. sorry comp, but intel consumer boards running win7 getting raid trim above server class(?) just doesn't sit right...

[DooRules]

unless you have a dual bios option that works, i would not try it.

Sure do.

[Marc HFR]

trimmed data should not be zeros, it should be ones or 0xFF

So please explain me why on a standard single AHCI SSD it's also 00 00 00 etc. ? ;)

Note that on some SSD like Vertex 4 it's FF FF FF FF etc.

[canthearu]

TRIMmed data is generally whatever the controller chooses it to be. Most SSDs do not have a static LBA to physical address mapping scheme like hard drive do .... so what happens is that the SSD actually creates the mapping between LBAs and physical locations when you perform writes. This avoids the read->erase->rewrite operations that caused so many latency problems with old jmicron drives. This means, that if you haven't written to a particular LBA number, then there is nowhere to read it back from. Thus the controller simply creates a fake sector with whatever data it wants (FF or 00)

When you secure erase a drive, or delete files off it with TRIM, you are also eventually removing the LBA mapping for the sectors you are erasing. This means again, that the drive must create a fake sector if you then attempt to read it.

[radier]

Have you noticed process IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe ?

It is consuming memory step by step.

[m.oreilly]

So please explain me why on a standard single AHCI SSD it's also 00 00 00 etc. ? ;)

Note that on some SSD like Vertex 4 it's FF FF FF FF etc.
i assume 0x00 is a programmed state. which drives under what conditions report 0x00 as clean nand? i'm hoping you guys have really hit on something here, but i'm just not getting enough documentation that points to what you are claiming. i wish intel would be a little more forthcoming. i don't understand why they wouldn't be, but until they do, i really can't drink the coolaid...

[Fernando]

Have you noticed process IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe ?
It is consuming memory step by step.You are right and we have noticed that already earlier, but this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, because it is a software issue (since v11.5.1184) and not a driver or RAID ROM one.

[medeirosdez]

Hello everyone!

I have subscribed to this forum and spent one dollar just to inform you there is an updated ROM, version 11.5.0.1582 available!!! :shocked:

I contacted Biostar requiring an update to the OROM for the motherboard of the server of my gaming center. The mobo is T5XE CFX-SLI, P55 chipset. It was abandoned quite some time ago and left with OROM 9.5.x.xxxx. I asked them to updated BIOS so OROM was brought to the most recent version, and they sent me a new BIOS with the mentioned version.

I sent another email asking if 11.5.0.1582 is the latest stable release and they replied saying soquete 1156 mobos are discontinued and that every update is special and beta only, no support. We'll have to wait until Intel updates their own current mobos so we know which OROM is indeed latest. At least this one I offer is more recent.

Now, I don't know how to extract the OROM from the BIOS file, but I give you the link they provided me with so you can extract yourselves. Whomever manages to do extraction, please provide community with public link so everyone can download! Yes, it's OROM 11.5.0.1582 and proof follows by pictures I took during boot. It even works on P55 (soquete 1156) PCH.

I was shocked, astonished, that I got a positive reply, I mean, I'd never ever expect that they'd update the firmware just for me! :rolleyes: OMG! I'm sooooo happy!

Also, there is one thing I noted: they changed recommended strip size for RAID0 arrays. It used to select automatically 128KB, now it chooses per se 16KB. OROM screen below shows 8KB strip, but that's because I used that array with OROM 9.5.x.xxxx before and in my test that's where I achieved maximum performance. I've reformatted the HDD's, now I use 16KB and 16KB NTFS cluster ("unit") size on all partitions.

This is the link:
http://206.108.48.66/temp/Eric/P55DA726.zip

128935

[Marc HFR]

i assume 0x00 is a programmed state. which drives under what conditions report 0x00 as clean nand? i'm hoping you guys have really hit on something here, but i'm just not getting enough documentation that points to what you are claiming. i wish intel would be a little more forthcoming. i don't understand why they wouldn't be, but until they do, i really can't drink the coolaid...Corsair Force 3 or Intel 330 for example

But like canthearu said it's not clean NAND, it's "clean" LBA ;)

[Fernando]

FYI:
I just have tested, if the presence of the new Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 does change anything regarding the Trim support of an Intel Z68 chipset RAID0 array.
Result: It doesn't. The sector with the freshly deleted file didn't zeroed out. The original Hex data were still there.

[m.oreilly]

i think you guys are relying on the hex 'results' a little too much, especially with multi drive lun and single/'shared' lba. both drives you mentioned are sandforce based, and with their inherent encryption/lba jiggery pokery, i think you would still be looking at programmed with 00 returned...still not buying it...

[biassj]

Anyone with his problem?

I have the 11.5.0.1184 on my z77-UD5 and when I update the drivers to 11.5.0.1207 it's stuck at Windows loading animation?

edit:

Note: I was already on Raid 0 with my SSDs and using older Intel drivers, if that helps.

[andressergio]

i think you guys are relying on the hex 'results' a little too much, especially with multi drive lun and single/'shared' lba. both drives you mentioned are sandforce based, and with their inherent encryption/lba jiggery pokery, i think you would still be looking at programmed with 00 returned...still not buying it...

we are all looking for better performance mate...even if trim not working or maybe we dont know yet its good to see new RAID ROMS and drivers ;)

[chispy]

:up:

[Fernando]

i think you guys are relying on the hex 'results' a little too much, especially with multi drive lun and single/'shared' lba. both drives you mentioned are sandforce based, and with their inherent encryption/lba jiggery pokery, i think you would still be looking at programmed with 00 returned...still not buying it...1. Do you know a better method to verify, if Trim is working or not?
2. My Crucial M4 SSD's are not Sandforce based.
3. Today or tomorrow I will transfer my RAID0 array from a Z68 to a Z77 system, which is using the same Intel RAID ROM version. After having done the "Hex test" again, I probably can say more about the validity of it.


I have the 11.5.0.1184 on my z77-UD5 and when I update the drivers to 11.5.0.1207 it's stuck at Windows loading animation?Which Intel RAID ROM version is in your mainboard BIOS chip?

[chispy]

Fernando did you estract the Bios OROM Raid Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 from that Biostar Bios ? If so please can you post it here and share it with us to give it a try , im also in transition to upgrading from my old dying , and aging Asus Rampage 3 eXtreme x58 mobo i7 950 combo , to a newly fresh Asus Z77 Mobo and i5 3570k so i will have a lot of testing going on with Z77 Intel chipset during the next few days.

[chispy]

Nevermind i found it: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282278-New-OROM-v.11.5.0.1582-available!!!

Thanks to canthearu : http://www.canthearu.com/pchraidr.bin

[Fernando]

Fernando did you estract the Bios OROM Raid Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 from that Biostar Bios ? If so please can you post it here and share it with us to give it a try , im also in transition to upgrading from my old dying , and aging Asus Rampage 3 eXtreme x58 mobo i7 950 combo , to a newly fresh Asus Z77 Mobo and i5 3570k so i will have a lot of testing going on with Z77 Intel chipset during the next few days.You can find this Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1582 and other RAID ROM modules >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/17000-ahci-raid-rom-modules-for-bios-modding-already-extracted/). They are already extracted and tested by me.

[biassj]

Which Intel RAID ROM version is in your mainboard BIOS chip?

I was on Raid Rom 11.5.0.1184 and now I'm on 11.5.0.1582. Tried using an older version of the drivers which you had on another website, same results. I updated my firmware on my two Agility 3s. I wonder if I need a fresh install?

[andressergio]

anyone saw any better perfomance with this new RAID ROM ???

[medeirosdez]

Fernando did you estract the Bios OROM Raid Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 from that Biostar Bios ? If so please can you post it here and share it with us to give it a try , im also in transition to upgrading from my old dying , and aging Asus Rampage 3 eXtreme x58 mobo i7 950 combo , to a newly fresh Asus Z77 Mobo and i5 3570k so i will have a lot of testing going on with Z77 Intel chipset during the next few days.

Friend,

The OROM code has been extracted from the BIOS I provided and it is available at the thread I created myself.

Link for my thread at this very own forum is here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282278-New-OROM-v.11.5.0.1582-available!!!).

Link for extracted OROM is provided by user canthearu (thank him for that!): http://www.canthearu.com/pchraidr.bin

User Fernando is also doing a GREAT job spreading news about this updated OROM (thank him too). Let's hope it's final and not beta.

[Fernando]

Fernando did you estract the Bios OROM Raid Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582 from that Biostar Bios ?Just to clarify this: Yes, I have extracted the ROM module from the BIOS myself and that is the file I am offering >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board208-specials/board281-bios-bios-modding/17000-ahci-raid-rom-modules-for-bios-modding-already-extracted/). I did not use the ROM, which was extracted by canthearu.

[chispy]

Thank you guys :)

[canthearu]

Well, in theory, the rom from my site should be exactly the same as Fernando's, since they were both extracted from the same ROM.

Fernando: TThe new 11.5.0.1582 ROM works fine with the older 11.1.0.1006 drivers on my P55 board.

[m.oreilly]

fernando, with non sandforce, i think you may be seeing GC rather than trim. what we are not privy to are the inner workings of controller FW and how they handle/don't handle metadata and how they utilize any sort of file system aware translation layering. for all we know, we could be seeing just a response to a simple delete, and the drive/FW responding GC algorithms. again, it would be ultra cool to have raid trim (i think) under win7/server 08r2. i don't think the hex thing is a be all end all when you include the drive's inner workings. proprietary inner workings. good luck.

[Fernando]

fernando, with non sandforce, i think you may be seeing GC rather than trim. what we are not privy to are the inner workings of controller FW and how they handle/don't handle metadata and how they utilize any sort of file system aware translation layering. for all we know, we could be seeing just a response to a simple delete, and the drive/FW responding GC algorithms. again, it would be ultra cool to have raid trim (i think) under win7/server 08r2. i don't think the hex thing is a be all end all when you include the drive's inner workings. proprietary inner workings. good luck.Since the Garbage Collection is a feature of the SSD's and has nothing to do with the environment (chipset, OS, drivers, RAID ROM etc.), please explain:
How is it possible, that in my Z68 system the test file data have been still present within their RAID SSD cells hours after the delition. whereas they were completely erased within seconds with my Z77 system?
Please try to explain it.

[m.oreilly]

well, it does. unless you have personal access to proprietary goings on with FW creators, how do you know what you are 'seeing' is actually what is happening? the workings of translation layers and pointers within the FW/ssd themselves are pretty much guarded secrets. you may be surprised at how ssds these days can 'sync' with file system hints. i was.

[Fernando]

@ m.oreilly:
Thanks for your response, which did not persuade me really.

@ all:
Yesterday I have repeated the "Trim test" with an Intel Z77 mainboard while running Windows 7 x64.
Beside mainboard and CPU the system (hardware ansd software) was exactly the same as before with an Intel Z68 chipset mainboard, where the "Trim test" failed (data were still present after the delition).

Here are the test results:

1. Hex Offset data of the sector of the RAID partition C: with the JPG test file:
129047

2. Hex Offset data of the same sector about 5 seconds after having deleted the file:
129048

3. Just for a comparison here is the pic I took with my Z68 system 1 hour after having deleted the test file:
129049

By the way: With the Z77 mainboard I got the same results while running Windows 8 x64. The related Offset data of the test file sector zeroed out within a few seconds after the delition.

Regards
Fernando

[andressergio]

@ m.oreilly:
Thanks for your response, which did not persuade me really.

@ all:
Yesterday I have repeated the "Trim test" with an Intel Z77 mainboard while running Windows 7 x64.
Beside mainboard and CPU the system (hardware ansd software) was exactly the same as before with an Intel Z68 chipset mainboard, where the "Trim test" failed (data were still present after the delition).

Here are the test results:

1. Hex Offset data of the sector of the RAID partition C: with the JPG test file:
129047

2. Hex Offset data of the same sector about 5 seconds after having deleted the file:
129048

3. Just for a comparison here is the pic I took with my Z68 system 1 hour after having deleted the test file:
129049

By the way: With the Z77 mainboard I got the same results while running Windows 8 x64. The related Offset data of the test file sector zeroed out within a few seconds after the delition.

Regards
Fernando

Fernando but its on 00000 didnt that means ok ?

[Fernando]

Fernando but its on 00000 didnt that means ok ?Yes, my test results do 100% confirm your earlier findings:
Trim is working within the RAID0 array under Win7 and Win8, if the mainboard has an Intel Z77 chipset and the user has flashed a BIOS with an Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 or higher and uses the Intel RST(e) RAID drivers v11.5.0.1184 or higher.
Additional finding:
Mainboards with an Intel Z68 chipset are not (yet) supported by this Trim into RAID feature.

[felix_w]

Well done, Fernando!

[chispy]

Thanks a lot Fernando for all the hard work , testing, help and findings. Well Done. This is what XS its all about to share and help each other :clap:

[andressergio]

Yes, my test results do 100% confirm your earlier findings:
Trim is working within the RAID0 array under Win7 and Win8, if the mainboard has an Intel Z77 chipset and the user has flashed a BIOS with an Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 or higher and uses the Intel RST(e) RAID drivers v11.5.0.1184 or higher.
Additional finding:
Mainboards with an Intel Z68 chipset are not (yet) supported by this Trim into RAID feature.

great !!!

[Zaxx]

great !!!

Yeah...unless your stuck with a Z68....:shakes:

Plan on going R0 with another 520 in a month or two now that intel lowered their ssd prices...with any luck maybe trim (in whatever form or however implemented) will make it's way down to my platform before long.

[medeirosdez]

Release notes for RST 11.5.0.1207 drivers have been made available! Here is the link (http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/release_notes_11.5.0.1207.htm)!

Also confirmed: OROM 11.5.0.1582 is FINAL, not beta!

[andressergio]

Release notes for RST 11.5.0.1207 drivers have been made available! Here is the link (http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/release_notes_11.5.0.1207.htm)!

Also confirmed: OROM 11.5.0.1582 is FINAL, not beta!

thanks man !!!

[Kain665]

Hex dump is useless, you're looking at certain LBAs that do not correspond to any specific NAND address. It's just how to FW presents the logical volume to the OS.

For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.

[Kain665]

Considering that it's not working on Z68, I wouldn't be very confident that it's working on Z77. There's no real difference between the two, at least not something that would affect a software function such as TRIM. TRIM is an ATA command, it could care less what hardware it's going to as long as the drivers support ATA passthrough.

[chispy]

Fernando or anyone who can please help me , i have tried to Mod the latest Bios 0404 for my new Asus P8Z77-V LK but i keep getting a message while trying to flash the moded Bios that says " "Security Verification" warning , i dont have a ROG board on this Z77 chipset so cannot do the ROG flashback ( http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php…-BIOS-Flashback ) , this Mobo has only one Bios chip its not like my old Asus Rampage extreme x58 that had 2 Bios. So i have to be extra careful to not corrupt the Bios. I did succesfully Moded the Asus Rampage 3 extreme x58 Bios using your guide , i replace the OROM twice without any problem , its this UEFI Bios wich i dont understand so much , i have tried for 2 days and for the life of me i cannot mod this Bios correctly , can someone here with a good Soul help me and Mod this Bios 0404 for me with the latest intel Bios Raid OROM 11.5.0.1582

Motherboard is Asus P8Z77-V LK

Latest Bios 0404 here http://www.mediafire.com/?4h2kdhdnu5rkz56

Latest Official OROM http://www.mediafire.com/?jnvus6jdun15vas



Thank you so much in advanced , apretiate it.



Kind Regards Angelo.

[andressergio]

latest RAID ROM .1582 + latest .1207 intel RST drivers are giving me much less performance...i flashed today with modded bios and i keep getting low read low write...weird...

[m.oreilly]

Hex dump is useless, you're looking at certain LBAs that do not correspond to any specific NAND address. It's just how to FW presents the logical volume to the OS.

For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.
yep, but this is unfolding like the emperor's new cloths: i jut don't want to see 'embareassed...

[Fernando]

Fernando or anyone who can please help me , i have tried to Mod the latest Bios 0404 for my new Asus P8Z77-V LK but i keep getting a message while trying to flash the moded Bios that says " "Security Verification" warning , i dont have a ROG board on this Z77 chipset so cannot do the ROG flashbackI ran into the same problem with my ASUS P8Z77-V mainboard.
At least I succeeded with the update of the Intel RAID ROM module this way: Take an USB flash drive, format it using the FAT32 file system and copy the modded BIOS onto it.
Rename the BIOS file according to the PDF file, which you got with the latest ASUS BIOS.
Shut down your computer, but don't switch off the power.
Open your Computer case, look into your mainboard manual and search for the "USB BIOS Flashback Button".
Put the USB stick with the modded BIOS file into the special BIOS Flashback USB port of the mainboard's Rear Panel and then hit the "USB BIOS Flashback" button for a few seconds until the BIOS flashback light starts to flash.
Wait until the BIOS flash light signal has gone out.
Start the computer, enter the BIOS and do your BIOS settings.
Remove the USB flash drive.If you should not have an "USB BIOS Flashback" button on your mainboard, you probably have to wait until ASUS releases a new BIOS version with an updated Intel RAID ROM module of the v11.5 series.
If you don't want to wait for a new official BIOS, you or someone else may try to fix the checksum of your modded BIOS according to >this< (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?180607-Tutorial-How-to-fix-a-bios-checksum.) guide.

[chispy]

Thank you , apretiate it the help , but i have found out that its immposible to flash my mobo with a Moded Bios file the normal way using asus flash 2 utility in bios via USB , i keep getting the message " Validation file failed " , the only way in order to succesfully flash this Moded bios its using the Asus Flashback Button method in the special usb relating to this procedure. My mobo does not have the flashback button as it is the cheapest Z77 board in the Asus Z77 line , so its a no go for me. But i have already contacted Asus Technical support with an inquiry for a Bios update with the included Latest File Bios Raid Rom 11.5.0.1582. i will wait a couple of days if i dont get an answer or a bios update i will have to pull some strings at Asus Headquarters Taiwan to my team mate Andre Yang and Master Shamino Peter Tan :D, i dont like to bother the masters they are always busy , i will use it and bother them at last resort eventhought we are great friends and belong to the same overclocking hwbot team Team PURE , but i have stopped profesional overclocking for over a year now , so no more trowing money to the wind on my part :rofl:

[Fernando]

Hex dump is useless, you're looking at certain LBAs that do not correspond to any specific NAND address. It's just how to FW presents the logical volume to the OS.FYI: I have done the Trim test very often. As long as I have done it with my Z68 chipset system, the Hex codes of the JPG file have always been at the same Offet and sector before and after the delition of the file. After having changed the mainboard to a Z77 chipset one the Hex codes of the JPG file were zeroed out within seconds. Additionally I have checked each time, if the Hex code of the JPG file has been changed to another sector by whatever, but it hasn't. The "Search" option of the Hex Editor couldn't find any part of the file.

For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.You are wrong. If the "new drivers" would tell the SSD Firmware to wipe the garbage better, why did it not do it on my Z68 board? The Hex codes of the deleted file were still there hours after having deleted the file, although the RAID has used exactly the same OROM/driver combination as with the Z77 board.

[andressergio]

Fernando

i went back to RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 for some reason with .1582 sucked bad

when i had the .1414 i always have aprox 1200 of score then when i changed to .1582 i got 1031 and 1047 for 2 days so i went back and at the beggining was this with .1414

before just installed .1414 and after using .1582 for 2 days

i scored 1031 dont have the screen sorry


after i left it the weekend with .1414

http://i.imgur.com/A9292.jpg

so something going on here Trim or whatever it arranges data thats obvious

[Computurd]

I have been informed by an industry contact that TRIM in RAID 0 is in fact working and that it has been confirmed :)

[m.oreilly]

heck paul, i know it's working, i just want to know if intel really pulled some alchemy with magic drivers/win7 (other companies have pulled it off with 'special' hardware/FW and proprietary drivers, but MS wouldn't ok a whql)...or you are just verifying win8 is doing what it's supposed to...what's the story?

[Computurd]

I will provide more detail once i can. I am getting further news on it tomorrow.

[m.oreilly]

sweet! thank you :up:

[radier]

I have checked some popular Intel boards and DP67BG, DZ68ZV already recieved latest OROM 11.5.0.1582

[Zaxx]

I will provide more detail once i can. I am getting further news on it tomorrow.

Can't wait to find out. Fingers crossed for Win7...

[chispy]

I will provide more detail once i can. I am getting further news on it tomorrow.

Thank you !

[Christopher]

Interesting. I have a DP67BG, and the last BIOS update did indeed add 11.5.xx. I might have to dig it out of the closet and give her a go.

[m.oreilly]

comp, i've been camped outside for the last 24 hours awaiting your reply. this spiderman outfit is itchy, and the Italian bakery will no longer let us (yes, us, as in the missus also wants to 'hear it first') use the facilities...we are down to our last napoleon...it's real good, but can you toss us a shred?

[DooRules]

ah :banana::banana::banana::banana: ya crack me up bud, ever try standup m.oreilly? :rofl:

[Computurd]

sorry guys im waiting on word back, i asked for 100% confirmation.

[m.oreilly]

is there going to be some sort of official announcement? i wonder why intel are not forthcoming? this would be big super news for existing older api enterprise, and point to future parity raid awesomeness...if unmap is working under server 2008r2 and win7. new server/win8:i kinda expect, but unless MS writes off on an included unmap driver, we will wait...

[Fernando]

comp, i've been camped outside for the last 24 hours awaiting your reply. this spiderman outfit is itchy, and the Italian bakery will no longer let us (yes, us, as in the missus also wants to 'hear it first') use the facilities...we are down to our last napoleon...it's real good, but can you toss us a shred?Why are you so excited?
You wrote, that you do not trust my test results regarding TRIM support within a RAID array. Now you are waiting impatiently for an information from a person, who knows a person, who knows persons, who say, that they know a lot about this topic.
Intel has already officially announced, that all RST drivers from v11.x.x.xxxx series up do support TRIM within a RAID0 (no word about restrictions regarding the OS or the chipset). You can read it, when you start the RST GUI of the last RST packages and open "Help" > "Introduction". Do you believe that? Why not?
As for me: I only trust, what I have verified myself.

[m.oreilly]

fernando, i love your tutorial on bios modding. it stands on it's own merrit.
attempting to decipher the state of nand, using a hex editor 'viewing' lba, and then saying the nand is trimmed, under an os that lacks the pertinent hints it's api would have to provide, is not very convincing, and neither are the bench results that have been posted. i'll wait...

[B Gates]

Does anyone have a gigabyte f12 bios modded to include a version of 11.5 OROM that will enable functioning RAID 0 TRIM? Thanks for your help. I have no idea how this is accomplished so please excuse my ignorance.

[andressergio]

Does anyone have a gigabyte f12 bios modded to include a version of 11.5 OROM that will enable functioning RAID 0 TRIM? Thanks for your help. I have no idea how this is accomplished so please excuse my ignorance.

you are here among us to learn and when you do help others as we do so you dont need to apologize ;)

PM stasio he will help

Cheers
Sergio

[B Gates]

Thank You Sergio!

[radier]

NEW RST 11.5.2.1001 WHQL

http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/intel_rst_11.5.2.1001(www.station-drivers.com).exe

P.S. no fix for memory leak, only driver is new.

[B Gates]

Is that memory leak the reason its kind of unstable? I'm running that driver with windows 8 and sometimes my rig fails to respond correctly.

[Marc HFR]

Hex dump is useless, you're looking at certain LBAs that do not correspond to any specific NAND address. It's just how to FW presents the logical volume to the OS.

For all you know, these new drivers just tell the FS to wipe it's arse better - there is no way to check whether or not TRIM is working past the FTL.

And how does the firmware know that certain LBAs previously used do not correspond to any specific NAND address anymore ? :clap: TRIM.

[andressergio]

Thank You Sergio!

:up:

[andressergio]

this are my ADATA SX900 256GB Sata 3 on RAID0 very fast drives

with latest RST 4K improved a lot

http://i.imgur.com/E08VR.png

still using RAID ROM 11.5.0.1414 as the latest gives me low numbers, didnt try with the ADATAs but with the intel was hella low

[m.oreilly]

well heck. i feel a bit ripped off (socket 2011), if you folks with z77 systems are the only ones getting intel raid trim with win7 :mad:
why would intel do this for this one socket iteration?
hehe, a bit rhetorical, but wtf

[Fernando]

well heck. i feel a bit ripped off (socket 2011), if you folks with z77 systems are the only ones getting intel raid trim with win7 :mad:
why would intel do this for this one socket iteration?I am pretty sure, that the complete Intel 7 series chipsets will be supported by the TRIM in RAID0 feature of the actual RST(e) v11.5 drivers/OROM versions. The only problem for users with an Intel X79 RAID0 system is to get the v11.5 OROM flashed into the BIOS and the v11.5 drivers installed. They have to add the missing HardwareIDs into the INF file or to use an already modded v11.5.0.1207 driver pack (look >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/15558-gemoddete-intel-ahci-und-raid-treiber/)).

[bluestang]

So are we guys with P67 gonna be SOL too?

[m.oreilly]

I am pretty sure, that the complete Intel 7 series chipsets will be supported by the TRIM in RAID0 feature of the actual RST(e) v11.5 drivers/OROM versions. The only problem for users with an Intel X79 RAID0 system is to get the v11.5 OROM flashed into the BIOS and the v11.5 drivers installed. They have to add the missing HardwareIDs into the INF file or to use an already modded v11.5.0.1207 driver pack (look >here< (http://www.win-lite.de/wbb/board195-windows-7/board198-win7-treiber/15558-gemoddete-intel-ahci-und-raid-treiber/)).
i'm hoping, and i was going to start asking around, if there is a corresponding 'e' 11.5 orom for the x79? for drivers, i was thinking of modding the inf. thanks for the link ;)
i'm thinking intel would focus on the latest socket first, though i wonder if there is some hardware id in the orom that could be altered. i had been focusing on hardware raid and unmap. i can now see how intel could have passthrough with our intel 'fake' raid/ahci trim hints. someone just showed me some very interesting results, without using a hex editor. very interesting to the point i'm on board with you guys and win7 raid, atm ;)

[andressergio]

NEW RST 11.5.2.1001 WHQL

http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargement/intel/sata/intel_rst_11.5.2.1001(www.station-drivers.com).exe

P.S. no fix for memory leak, only driver is new.

i have a nice increase in perfomance with this drivers as the other ones, i dont know what mem leaks you refeer to but very good around here

cheers
Sergio

[Fernando]

i'm hoping, and i was going to start asking around, if there is a corresponding 'e' 11.5 orom for the x79?There are no different Intel RAID OROMs for different chipsets available (only exception: v3 series for X79). That means, that the RAID ROM modules, which are released by Intel, either do work with a special chipset or not.
Intels v11.5 AHCI and RAID drivers are named RST, but they belong to the RSTe branch using the additional SCSI driver named iaStorF.sys. Furthermore the RST v11.5.0.1109 Alpha drivers, which were the very first of the v11.5 branch, natively did support X79 chipsets.
Since I have already the certification, that the modded RST drivers v11.5.0.1207 do work with X79 systems, I am very optimistic, that the Intel RAID ROM v11.5.0.1414 or v11.5.0.1582 will work with X79 SATA RAD Controllers too.

[Zaxx]

RWL have sunk their teeth into the 'trim for raid' topic. Makes for a great read too.

http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672

[m.oreilly]

yep. that's the article. i was hoping he'd have it up soon

[m.oreilly]

fernando, i've heard that the 11.5 oroms will not allow the x79 boards to boot. i was warned about this some time ago, so haven't toyed with modding a bios with any of these oroms. i would assume there would be a 3 series that had the necessary stuff to allow the same goodies that the 11.5 oroms bring? we have the 11.5 drivers as you mentioned based on the 'e' series, so i don't see why there would not be a 'e' series 3x orom in the near future, on that plays nice with socket 2011? vr zone had an article up recently which sated x79 versions of the intel 11.5 drivers/orom would be released. not sure where they got their info, but it would be nice

[m.oreilly]

RWL have sunk their teeth into the 'trim for raid' topic. Makes for a great read too.

http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672oops...pulled!

[B Gates]

There are a couple of typo's being corrected. It should be back up soon.

[Zaxx]

Hmmm...he musta spotted a mistake or something, he's usually pretty thorough. He'll prolly repost it before long.

edit: heh...told ya...:P

[m.oreilly]

the devil

[B Gates]

RWL have sunk their teeth into the 'trim for raid' topic. Makes for a great read too.

http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672 Chris said he's going to send you an email tonight

[Fernando]

RWL have sunk their teeth into the 'trim for raid' topic. Makes for a great read too.
http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672Thanks for the link.
Although the authors have used another and more time-consuming method to verify the TRIM function, the results are exactly the sames as ours (btester, andressergio and me) we have published already in July.

[Zaxx]

Good deal. Let him know I may not get back to him til tomorrow...was up all night, think I got a touch of food poisoning and it's NOT pretty. Gonna call it an early night tonight probably...stomach is still tied in a knot. Sux.

[B Gates]

Its back up http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672

[Zaxx]

Thanks for the link.
Although the authors have used another and more time-consuming method to verify the TRIM function, the results are exactly the sames as ours (btester, andressergio and me) we have published already in July.

I know...just figured some may find the article a good read with all the details in one write up vs spread thru out a 5 page, 170+ post thread. ;)

[m.oreilly]

i'd like to see non SF drives tested also, but this is really cool! well done jon!

[B Gates]

I guess i could raid a performance pro and a vertex 4 together I dont have any other non-sandforce drives right now. I can tell you that it will work. I will do it in a couple days.

[chispy]

VOILA - Proven beyond the reasonable doubt it is :clap: , I'm so glad I started this tread to prove it , and Darn it proven it is :D , and makes me so happy that a lot of people including myself did a lot of testing and Bios moding to prove this , Thank you guys for all the input ( Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester, and myself ) testing , Bios moding , help , etc ... It was an uphill battle we ran to prove it. Im happy :) , now let's share this information with everyone !


I like the conclusion on that article :D :


Conclusion:

RAID 0 TRIM has indeed arrived. It won’t be long before we start seeing board manufacturers serving up 11.5.0.1582 or higher OROMs with their BIOS’s. When they do you can be confident that whether you are running Windows 7 or 8 along with the correct chipset/s and IRST driver your RAID 0 array will have functioning TRIM. Intel has delivered on their promise to give us what we’ve all been waiting for RAID 0 TRIM. As of today there is NOTHING a single drive can do that a RAID 0 Array cannot do better. This day has been a long time coming and brings with it forth coming satisfaction for thousands of INTEL RAID 0 users. Awesome job INTEL, simply awesome!

[B Gates]

VOILA - Proven beyond the reasonable doubt it is :clap: , I'm so glad I satrted this tread to prove it , and Darn it proven it is :D , and makes me so happy that a lot of people including myself did a lot of testing and Bios moding to prove this , Thank you guys for all the input ( Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester, and myself ) testing , Bios moding , help , etc ... It was an uphill battle we ran to prove it. Im happy :) , now let's share this information with everyone !


I like the conclusion on that article :D :


Conclusion:

RAID 0 TRIM has indeed arrived. It won’t be long before we start seeing board manufacturers serving up 11.5.0.1582 or higher OROMs with their BIOS’s. When they do you can be confident that whether you are running Windows 7 or 8 along with the correct chipset/s and IRST driver your RAID 0 array will have functioning TRIM. Intel has delivered on their promise to give us what we’ve all been waiting for RAID 0 TRIM. As of today there is NOTHING a single drive can do that a RAID 0 Array cannot do better. This day has been a long time coming and brings with it forth coming satisfaction for thousands of INTEL RAID 0 users. Awesome job INTEL, simply awesome!
We decided to test this specifically because of this particular thread. You are exactly right thanks to your guys hard work that article was possible so thank you and Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester and also to stasio for providing the BIOS. Spread the gospel guys!

[Zaxx]

@Jon...


I believe we have also proven that a Z77 board is probably not a requirement as well.


It's awesome news ofc...but I gotta reserve my elation until it's 100% verified working with the Z68 chipset...and I know you have one of those handy.
Now get back to work! :hehe: Actually atm I'm only running 2 x V2s in raid...have one lent to a friend (SSD virgin) and the wifey has the other one...looks like it's repo time! :yepp:

[andressergio]

VOILA - Proven beyond the reasonable doubt it is :clap: , I'm so glad I started this tread to prove it , and Darn it proven it is :D , and makes me so happy that a lot of people including myself did a lot of testing and Bios moding to prove this , Thank you guys for all the input ( Fernando , Andres Sergio , Computurd , BTester, and myself ) testing , Bios moding , help , etc ... It was an uphill battle we ran to prove it. Im happy :) , now let's share this information with everyone !


I like the conclusion on that article :D :


Conclusion:

RAID 0 TRIM has indeed arrived. It won’t be long before we start seeing board manufacturers serving up 11.5.0.1582 or higher OROMs with their BIOS’s. When they do you can be confident that whether you are running Windows 7 or 8 along with the correct chipset/s and IRST driver your RAID 0 array will have functioning TRIM. Intel has delivered on their promise to give us what we’ve all been waiting for RAID 0 TRIM. As of today there is NOTHING a single drive can do that a RAID 0 Array cannot do better. This day has been a long time coming and brings with it forth coming satisfaction for thousands of INTEL RAID 0 users. Awesome job INTEL, simply awesome!


GREAT !!! i like the conclusion very much :)

only thing i have to quote is why i have better performance using OROM 11.5.0.1414 than latest...

[canthearu]

Will have to test my P55 board!

[Dazog]

Tested on my Asrock Z68 Pro 3 with modded bios 2.10, latest OROM posted here and current drivers.

Confirmed Trim works.

Windows 7 X64 SP1 with 2x Crucial M4 128's in Raid 0

[Zaxx]

Tested on my Asrock Z68 Pro 3 with modded bios 2.10, latest OROM posted here and current drivers.

Confirmed Trim works.

Windows 7 X64 SP1 with 2x Crucial M4 128's in Raid 0

YESSS!!! That's music to my ears...sweet music.

/me goes on the hunt for modded 3402 Asus P8Z68 Pro Gen3 bios. With this news I'm sure Asus (and all the others) will eventually update their bios but like most of us I'm too damn impatient to wait on them.

btw...Does anyone know if it works with the P67 chipset as well?

[Fernando]

Tested on my Asrock Z68 Pro 3 with modded bios 2.10, latest OROM posted here and current drivers.
Confirmed Trim works.
Windows 7 X64 SP1 with 2x Crucial M4 128's in Raid 0Who confirmed, that TRIM works within your RAID0? If you confirmed it yourself, how did you test it?

[the_real_7]

Has anyone tried this with the asus mive p67 board ? and would it work with that older modle of board guys

[B Gates]

I'm going to test Z68 in a couple days just got the bios I needed

[bluestang]

I'll be updating the BIOS on my P67-UD4-B3 with a modded BIOS from here (http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/48085-gigabyte-modified-bios.html) also in a few days/tise weekend with Win 7 and see how it goes.

Thanks for all your hard work guys!

[Fernando]

Has anyone tried this with the asus mive p67 board ? and would it work with that older modle of board guysyep you have to update BIOS with new RAID ROM mate as i told you and install latest RST drivers from intelI really doubt, that Intel chipsets of the 6-series will get benefit of the "Trim in RAID0" feature with the currently available Intel RST drivers and Intel RAID ROMs.

[B Gates]

I really doubt, that Intel chipsets of the 6-series will get benefit of the "Trim in RAID0" feature with the currently available Intel RST drivers and Intel RAID ROMs. have you tested any 6 series chipsets?

[Fernando]

have you tested any 6 series chipsets?Yes. TRIM definitively didn't work with my Z68 system using the same drivers/ROM environment as with my Z77 system (where it works).

[B Gates]

Yes. TRIM definitively didn't work with my Z68 system using the same drivers/ROM environment as with my Z77 system (where it works). Thanks for the info! Any idea why it doesn't work for 6 series?

[Dazog]

Who confirmed, that TRIM works within your RAID0? If you confirmed it yourself, how did you test it?

Everything in that article posted worked for me on my Z68 board. Anvil will now do a TRIM on my raid and I can see each drive while in Raid and I ran a AS SSD Benchmark run after I let TRIM do its thing and my scores went up where they should be at.

[B Gates]

Everything in that article posted worked for me on my Z68 board. Anvil will now do a TRIM on my raid and I can see each drive while in Raid and I ran a AS SSD Benchmark run after I let TRIM do its thing and my scores went up where they should be at. can you fill test with vantage? It does sound like its working for you. I'm going to test my z68 soon

[B Gates]

I believe its all in the driver and orom so I dont see why it wouldnt work with z68

[Dazog]

can you fill test with vantage? It does sound like its working for you. I'm going to test my z68 soon

Ok, I can also post the bios I modded at anyones own risk to try if they have a Asrock Z68 Pro 3.

[Fernando]

Anvil will now do a TRIM on my raidHow is he doing a TRIM on your RAID? Either TRIM works or not. Anvil may help you to create a system where TRIM has the best chances to pass through your RAID Controller to the SSD RAID members, but the TRIM command itself cannot be influenced.

[m.oreilly]

i got CDI passthrough on my x79...

[andressergio]

I really doubt, that Intel chipsets of the 6-series will get benefit of the "Trim in RAID0" feature with the currently available Intel RST drivers and Intel RAID ROMs.

I'm Sorry Fernando i forgot that u tried and didnt work and was only Z77 :(

[B Gates]

Looks like I was mistaken with some of my assumptions like CDI. I just got some clarification directly from INTEL and they say its supposed to only work on 7 series or higher chipsets. But I'm still going to test it anyway.

[m.oreilly]

yeah, i was told that certain drivers will allow passthrough to individual raid members, but that doesn't mean the trim command is executed. i love my x79...darn...

[Dazog]

Well the Z77 and Z68 are not different for the Intel Raid Controller. So Unless Intel adds Device ID blocks in a Rom or driver Z68 should work just fine?

[m.oreilly]

that's what i'm wondering, a block

[B Gates]

fill test with Vantage that provides concrete proof

[B Gates]

Intel says its not supposed to work they didnt say it will not.

[m.oreilly]

oh, so hope for my poor C600? we need more intel intel!

[Dazog]

Can someone explain what I Should be running in vantage and be looking for? So I do this right. I never used vantage before.

[B Gates]

Can someone explain what I Should be running in vantage and be looking for? So I do this right. I never used vantage before. first run a Vantage HDD test with an empty array then record the score. then You will need a 30gb block of data composed of various data like movies, music, games, iso's etc. then copy and paste data onto the array as many times as necessary to fill the array 25% then run Vantage hdd test and record the score. then fill the drive to 50% run Vantage hdd test and record the score. then fill the drive to 75% full run Vantage hdd test and record the score. Then DELETE the data and run Vantage hdd test one last time. If the score goes back to or very, very close ( like within 2000 points) what it was with the clean run then TRIM is working of it goes back up slightly or stays the same then TRIM is not working. you will need to run advanced version to do HDD test so if you need to use my serial number let me know. also no restarting and run tests quickly one after another.

[Dazog]

first run a Vantage HDD test with an empty array then record the score. then You will need a 30gb block of data composed of various data like movies, music, games, iso's etc. then copy and paste data onto the array as many times as necessary to fill the array 25% then run Vantage hdd test and record the score. then fill the drive to 50% run Vantage hdd test and record the score. then fill the drive to 75% full run Vantage hdd test and record the score. Then DELETE the data and run Vantage hdd test one last time. If the score goes back to or very, very close ( like within 2000 points) what it was with the clean run then TRIM is working of it goes back up slightly or stays the same then TRIM is not working. you will need to run advanced version to do HDD test so if you need to use my serial number let me know. also no restarting and run tests quickly one after another.

Ah I guess I wont be doing this soon. I have my drives at 25% empty and don't plan to clean install for a few weeks. Thanks for the info on how to do this. I assume someone else will beat me to the test for z68.

[Fernando]

Well the Z77 and Z68 are not different for the Intel Raid Controller.I am not sure regarding this point, but maybe we will find it out by comparing the details of both RAID Controllers.
The tool RWEverywhere is able to look into the depth of the Controllers.
>Here< (http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3910&start=34) I have published today the RWEverything tool details about my Z77 RAID Controller, which definitively supports the TRIM command.
So anyone with a 6-series RAID Controller may run the RWEverywhere tool and compare the details with those of the Z77 RAID Controller. I bet, that there are differences.

[B Gates]

It needs to be run as secondary storage not "C"

[Dazog]

I am not sure regarding this point, but maybe we will find it out by comparing the details of both RAID Controllers.
The tool RWEverywhere is able to look into the depth of the Controllers.
>Here< (http://www.station-drivers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=3910&start=34) I have published today the RWEverything tool details about my Z77 RAID Controller, which definitively supports the TRIM command.
So anyone with a 6-series RAID Controller may run the RWEverywhere tool and compare the details with those of the Z77 RAID Controller. I bet, that there are differences.

Mine looks identical for my Z68, other than it being stored differently in the bios since I have a different board. Everything else matches.

[hoodlikegaza]

I tried replacing the option rom in my bios for my DFI t3eh8 (x58), and it doesn't work. I've tried it before, but since there's trim support for raid 0, I wanted to try again.


It doesn't brick the mb, but the option rom does nothing. The odd thing is, when it posts, it shows that it's still trying to use the old 8.xx option rom, throwing an error, then continues to attempt to boot after showing the acpi table (from other sources cdrom,usb, etc). This is exactly the problem I was getting when I tried to do this mod a year or so ago.

It also appears that the updated option rom is at least twice the size than the option rom in the bios.

Can anyone that is more knowledgeable than me help me figure this out? I think it's really dumb dfi disappeared in 2010, and never bothered thinking people needed 2TB + support....


Uploaded is my current bios and the option rom already extracted. It's an award bios.

Note* I have added a slic table to this rom for my own purposes.
http://depositfiles.com/files/t4rn2y10a

[Zaxx]

Hoping Intel just decided to do the Z77 first with the Z68 to follow...but unless I see screenshots of a Z68 Vantage fill test to confirm, looks like I'll be upgrading my mobo.

/me goes browsing NewEgg...

[m.oreilly]

that asus mVG looks neat...

[radier]

SSD RAID 0 TRIM Confirmed - Dreams Do Come True


http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=672

[B Gates]

i got CDI passthrough on my x79... Will Anvil's TRIM your array?

[Fernando]

Ah I guess I wont be doing this soon. I have my drives at 25% empty and don't plan to clean install for a few weeks. Thanks for the info on how to do this. I assume someone else will beat me to the test for z68.Why don't you just do the simple Hex Editor test according >this< (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?282039-Raid0-and-TRIM-Support-on-Intel-11.5-OROM-and-Latest-v11.5.0.1184-RST-Drivers&p=5123422&viewfull=1#post5123422) post? This will not stress your SSDs at all.


Mine looks identical for my Z68, other than it being stored differently in the bios since I have a different board. Everything else matches.Here are the differences between the Intel Z77 and Z68 SATA RAID Controllers shown within the RWEverything tool summary:
Revision ID:
Z77: 0x04
Z68: 0x05
Subsystem ID:
Z77: 0x84CA1043
Z68: 0x844D1043

[piquadrat]

Is there a way to substitute these strings?

[bluestang]

i got CDI passthrough on my x79...

I get CDI passthrough as well on my P45 system with the 1207 driver. No updated OROM yet (still on 10.1.0.1008).

[Fernando]

I get CDI passthrough as well on my P45 system with the 1207 driver. No updated OROM yet (still on 10.1.0.1008).What do you think is the "passthrough" verification by the tool CrystalDiskInfo?

[bluestang]

I get CDI passthrough as well on my P45 system with the 1207 driver. No updated OROM yet (still on 10.1.0.1008).

Just flashed my P45 with a modded BIOS with OROM 11.5.0.1582. Using driver 11.5.2.1001 on Win7 x64. No hang ups on OS load or anything.


What do you think is the "passthrough" verification by the tool CrystalDiskInfo?

I can view disks in RAID individually, could not do before.

Have not tried the Vantage test on any RAID SSD config, and probably can't for another week or so (I can't empty them out quite yet), but at least the OROM and drivers took on this chipset.

[canthearu]

Crystaldiskinfo added the ability to inspect individual drives in Intel raid arrays at about 4.6 or so. Been around for ages.

[Fernando]

Crystaldiskinfo added the ability to inspect individual drives in Intel raid arrays...and this CDI "Passthrough" has nothing to do with TRIM.

[m.oreilly]

hehe, this could be it. i never used it until now, because i always run an array. lol

[m.oreilly]

and this CDI "Passthrough" has nothing to do with TRIM.
no, but it goes to show that gaining access to individual members (in an array) is not as dramatic as may once have been thought, though this is fakeraid.

[B Gates]

I just got a statement from Intel they say all drivers 11.0 and newer support RAID 0 TRIM. They also say no 6 series chipsets are supported.

[B Gates]

Here is my latest project. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/bill-gates-gets-potty-mouth-foundation-holds-toilet-220847363.html I'm trying to RAID a couple of these together hopefully they will be able to pass TRIM through LOL!

[DooRules]

At least they stepped up and put all the speculation to bed.

[Computurd]

yup, the email blast from Intel is causing quite the stir! many users will now forgo RAID on controllers in favor of the onboards until they get the controllers figured.

[m.oreilly]

I just got a statement from Intel they say all drivers 11.0 and newer support RAID 0 TRIM. They also say no 6 series chipsets are supported.
oh well...
i would like to see how much of a difference trim plays in daily performance maintenance, as opposed to just GC in modern ssds. i know FW has advanced to the point many of us raiders continue to have top performance even on OS arrays (i've gotten my highest scores on 'dirty' OS bound arrays). it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to performance over time (and individual speed differences, if any, with trim involved). anyway, i'm happy raid trim for intel based controllers (albeit 7 series only) is working, and under win7 to boot!

[B Gates]

oh well...
i would like to see how much of a difference trim plays in daily performance maintenance, as opposed to just GC in modern ssds. i know FW has advanced to the point many of us raiders continue to have top performance even on OS arrays (i've gotten my highest scores on 'dirty' OS bound arrays). it would be nice to have a thread dedicated to performance over time (and individual speed differences, if any, with trim involved). anyway, i'm happy raid trim for intel based controllers (albeit 7 series only) is working, and under win7 to boot! Its no biggie for you because Vertex 4 have GC. SandForce drives dont so TRIM is big for SF users

[Zaxx]

They also say no 6 series chipsets are supported.

Damn it! Well I've been eyeballing a couple of Z77s...time to choose. :shrug:

[B Gates]

Msi or asus

[Zaxx]

Msi or asus

Am a faithful Asus user...looks like the P8Z77V-Pro most likely.

So glad it doesn't require Win8...actually, according to the PR release today, raid trim for Win8 isn't supported yet but coming soon.

[B Gates]

sounds like a good choice

[Dazog]

So we need to OROM hack or driver hack to have Z68 support? WOW, pretty bad of intel to do this.

[B Gates]

So we need to OROM hack or driver hack to have Z68 support? WOW, pretty bad of intel to do this.gives you smart guys something to have a go at

[Highendtoys]

Intel sent a bunch of press this today.

"Trim on RAID 0 for SSDs is supported in the Intel RST driver versions 11.0 and newer. Currently available for the general public on Intel’s downloads site is RST driver version 11.2 which offers TRIM support on RAID 0 compatible with MS Windows 7 OS on Intel 7 series chipsets (earlier chipsets NOT supported). Intel is also working on a future release providing support for TRIM on RAID 0 on Microsoft Windows 8 OS for Intel 7 series chipsets."

It is starting to go up on review sites and most likely a bunch of sites are going to test it.

From what I recall, doesn't 11.2 not pass TRIM to RAID 0. Intel also didn't mention the Option ROM requirement so I see big steaming piles of fail coming. Let's all sit back and watch the janitors of SSD reviews publish articles claiming they have RAID 0 TRIM working with 11.2 but not update the OROM.

I know, that was mean but we all know it is coming.

[presjar]

Lets go smart people! Haxor away to get Z68 support please!

[bluestang]

Just flashed my P45 with a modded BIOS with OROM 11.5.0.1582. Using driver 11.5.2.1001 on Win7 x64. No hang ups on OS load or anything. I can view disks in RAID individually, could not do before.


Crystaldiskinfo added the ability to inspect individual drives in Intel raid arrays at about 4.6 or so. Been around for ages.


and this CDI "Passthrough" has nothing to do with TRIM.


hehe, this could be it. i never used it until now, because i always run an array. lol

Yep, just like m.oreilly, I haven't used it in a while so it was a shock seeing individual drive members. Last time I used it was v4.0.2 when I was doing some SSD endurance testing. I new CDI "passthrough" had nothing to do with TRIM though. Oh well, here's to hoping it will works now or will eventually work on a P67.

Edit: Also regarding CDI, I was going on the RW Labs article which said:

"Here is a shot of CDI, it’s now able to list the drives separately EVEN THOUGH they are actually part of an array."

"Here is the other drive in our array. This is stunning because prior to this an array would not be able to be listed in CDI. The OS can now see the individual drives in an array!"

[Fernando]

Intel sent a bunch of press this today.

"Trim on RAID 0 for SSDs is supported in the Intel RST driver versions 11.0 and newer. Currently available for the general public on Intel’s downloads site is RST driver version 11.2 which offers TRIM support on RAID 0 compatible with MS Windows 7 OS on Intel 7 series chipsets (earlier chipsets NOT supported). Intel is also working on a future release providing support for TRIM on RAID 0 on Microsoft Windows 8 OS for Intel 7 series chipsets."

It is starting to go up on review sites and most likely a bunch of sites are going to test it.

From what I recall, doesn't 11.2 not pass TRIM to RAID 0. Intel also didn't mention the Option ROM requirement so I see big steaming piles of fail coming. Let's all sit back and watch the janitors of SSD reviews publish articles claiming they have RAID 0 TRIM working with 11.2 but not update the OROM.Yes, there are more new questions than answers.
Additional point:
The "Trim in RAID0" feature definitively works on Z77 RAID systems running Windows 8. Why do they write, that the currently available Intel RAID drivers do not support it in a Win8 environment?

[B Gates]

Yep, just like m.oreilly, I haven't used it in a while so it was a shock seeing individual drive members. Last time I used it was v4.0.2 when I was doing some SSD endurance testing. I new CDI "passthrough" had nothing to do with TRIM though. Oh well, here's to hoping it will works now or will eventually work on a P67.

Edit: Also regarding CDI, I was going on the RW Labs article which said:

"Here is a shot of CDI, it’s now able to list the drives separately EVEN THOUGH they are actually part of an array."

"Here is the other drive in our array. This is stunning because prior to this an array would not be able to be listed in CDI. The OS can now see the individual drives in an array!" I wrote that article and like you that was the first time I had seen CDI list drives in RAID 0. I apologize for the mis-leading info.

[bluestang]

No harm, no foul. I think we're all on new ground figuring out what works and what doesn't. Not sure if even Intel knows 100% at this moment.

I'm hoping to find time this weekend to check out P67 on Win7. Not sure if anyone has given that setup a test yet.

[Fernando]

After having done some additional tests with the "Hex Editor method" I have verified, that the Intel RST driver v11.2.0.1006 definitively lets the TRIM command passthrough the RAID Controller to the SSD members (the Offset area of the previously deleted jpg file has been zeroed out within seconds - like with the actual RSTe v11.5 drivers).
But: Although I have completely uninstalled the RST(e) drivers and software pack v11.5.2.1001 and deleted the iaStorF entries from witthin the registry, my RAID Controller still is using the Intel RAID ROM module v11.5.0.1582.
It has to be investigated, if the Trim in RAID0 feature still is working after having replaced the Intel RSTe RAID OROM v11.5 by an actual Intel RST v11.x.x.xxxx module.

[B Gates]

No harm, no foul. I think we're all on new ground figuring out what works and what doesn't. Not sure if even Intel knows 100% at this moment.

I'm hoping to find time this weekend to check out P67 on Win7. Not sure if anyone has given that setup a test yet. look forward to seeing the results

[AthlonX2]

Hey fellas,
Longtime lurker here. Bill and I were talking about this and he recommended I join this thread. I have a P67UD5-B3 with the 11.5 OROM and a couple sandforce drives (with working TRIM). Is Vantage fill the only way we can test if TRIM works on windows 7 w/ a 6 series chipset?

[Fernando]

I have a P67UD5-B3 with the 11.5 OROM and a couple sandforce drives (with working TRIM). Is Vantage fill the only way we can test if TRIM works on windows 7 w/ a 6 series chipset?That may be the most professional method, but the simple Hex Editor method, which can be done within a few minutes without flooding the SSDs with data, seems to work too. For details regarding the procedure you may look into post No 73 of this thread.

[bluestang]

In that case I won't have to wait till this weekend. I just tried it on a non-raid SSD Win7 sytem so I can see what it all looks like in WinHex as far as before and after with TRIM working.

So, I can test my P67-UD4-B3 tonight as well now.

[B Gates]

Hope you guys get some good news but its likely it won't be working per Fernando's findings Intel's statements. Hopefully one of the supra genius' on this forum can come up with a mod that will enable it. :up::yepp:

[squawker]

Great and fascinating thread that i've been following since the first post.
Very good job done by Fernando, Andres Sergio, Btester, Chispy, Medeirosdez, B. Gates and others.
I'm certain that unless these people had not made many tests to check and stirred the subject up on this and other forums, we wouldn't have had an Intel statement about this (not clear at all, but even though an official word).
Thanks to all these people and in particular to Fernando, who had to face disbelief and asinine comments on [H]… forum as response to his knowledge, hard work and solid facts.