Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer Review

[brandonwh64]

Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer Review
By: Brandon Harrison (Brandonwh64)

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Though Thermaltake is no stranger to water cooling products, this is one of the first lines of closed loop liquid cooling systems. With the release of this series of closed loop coolers, Thermaltake has strived to bring large improvements to the hassle free liquid cooling solution. In this review we will be doing visual inspections as well as benchmarking to its competitor. Please feel free to ask any questions you may have on the product.

Unboxing

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The box was well packaged and very protected with all of the components in their own individual packages. The whole package is tucked in an egg carton style cardboard container.

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Specifications of the Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer

the specifications of the Performer are similar to the Corsair H50. The radiators are identical in size. The pumps are not alike. The pump on the Performer is estimated ¾ inch in height while the H50 is estimated 2 ¾ inch in height.

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Contents:

Back Plate (AMD “AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+”, Intel “775/1366/1156/1155/2011”)
Retention Rings (AMD “AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+”, Intel “775/1366/1156/1155/2011”)
Mylar
Grommet x4
Screws (Fan mounting) x8
Plastic Components Top x4 (AMD/Intel)
Plastic Components Bottom x4 (AMD/Intel)
Screws (CPU Block Mounting) x4 (775/1366/1156/1155/AMD)
Screws (CPU Block Mounting) x4 (2011)
Retention Clip
Washers x4
Fan Y Cable x1
120MM Fan x2
WATER2.0 Performer Unit

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Installation:

The installation for this product has improved over their competitors previous versions. Installation of the back plate with the mylar strips to hold the back plate securely to the motherboard. The grommet inserts must be inserted for specific socket of the board. The plastic components must be put together with the boards socket name facing out and the proper socket screws inserted into the plastic clips. Below is a picture of the CPU block with the retention bracket and clips installed.

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Test Bed:

• Mainboard: Gigabyte P67A-UD4;
• Processor: Intel Core i7-2600K, (Stock - 3.4 GHz Stock Voltage),(OCed - 4.5 GHz 1.33V);
• Thermal interface: Arctic Silver Ceramique;
• Memory: DDR3 1333Mhz 2 x 2 GB Corsair XMS3Dual Channel (Spec: 1333MHz / 9-9-9-24 / 1.5 V);
• Power supply: Corsair TX550M;

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Testing:

In this review I will be comparing the Thermaltake’s WATER2.0 Performer to the Corsair H50 which share the same characteristics and are closed loop water systems. The Corsair H50 is one of the older style coolers and this test will prove that the newer designed WATER2.0 Performer can outperform the older technology.

Corsair H50 Stock:

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Corsair H50 OCed @ 4.5ghz 1.33V:

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Results:
Stock: 53 Degree Celsius
Oced: 70 Degree Celsius

Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer Stock:

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Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer OCed:

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Results:
Stock: 46 Degree Celsius
OCed: 57 Degree Celsius

Temperature Differences:
Stock: 7 Degree Celsius
OCed: 13 Degree Celsius

Great numbers!


Value and Conclusion

*The Thermaltake WATER2.0 Performer has an MSRP $69.99*

Good
• Packaged very well with protective cardboard shell
• Very clean and well built
• Rubber tubes instead of metal coiled tubes of the H50
• Excellent performance!
• Easy installation
• Supports AMD and Intel along with the new socket 2011
• Hassle free liquid cooling!

Bad
• Requires a 120mm fan port inside case to install
• Motherboard requires removal to install
• Loop cannot be extended to other components like the GPU

Thermaltake has done a phenomenal job with this unit! It has many improvements over previous generations of closed loop liquid coolers. The fans that are included with this cooler move air greatly through the radiator and are very quiet. While not performing in the same range of custom built high-end water cooling, the Thermaltake 2.0 Performer is great for the typical overclocker. This cooler has provided significant cooling for the typical gamer or moderate overclocking enthusiast. Thermaltake’s sleek design of the CPU block and quiet fans has provided a simple cooling system that can be installed and does not require much maintenance. Basically, if you are looking for the cheapest water cooling solution for your CPU or simply want a great cooler for your CPU in the Thermaltake’s price range, you shouldn’t have to think twice.

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[brandonwh64]

Is this a joke? April fools was like 7 weeks ago. :shakes:

Nope not a joke. My first review LOL

Was there something that you did not like about it? Please let me know so I can do better on future reviews

[brandonwh64]

Not to be rude but thermaltake is utter rhino dung. That system is a total joke. You obviously have not been around long. Anyway, this forum is not the place for this review and I've reported it. This is for your benefit, trust me.

Hmmm its a entry level cooler what do you expect. It does cool a lot better than previous generations. I just don't see how this is not relevant to the enthusiast community? Also a 2600K oced to 4.5ghz is not a total joke. I know its not a socket 2011 extreme but it does the job when it comes to a review like this.

If I am doing something wrong by posting this review about a liquid cooler please let me know and I will take it down personally. I do not want to cause problems :)

[brandonwh64]

That's the thing, people don't come here for "entry level" cooling... I have no authority here just sayin, you won't get the input you are looking for. I guess I could be wrong since I haven't been around much lately ;)

I understand. I know extreme cooling having used many custom loops and such but I just thought being able to review something that could be perfect for a mild OCer or someone that does not want to do the full loop setup. I just really want input on how well the review was and what I could do to improve :)

[NKrader]

I guess I could be wrong since I haven't been around much lately ;)

i thought a review of any computer item was welcome here..

:shrug:

[DarthBeavis]

Not to be rude but thermaltake is utter rhino dung. That system is a total joke. You obviously have not been around long. Anyway, this forum is not the place for this review and I've reported it. This is for your benefit, trust me.I think you are out of line and I have never been a fan of Thermaltake watercooling.

[Buckeye]

Yeah whats the problem here. His review was fine and did a nice job.

Doing some thread clean up.

[DarthBeavis]

Thanks for the review. I have spoken with a couple guys from Thermaltake over last couple years about water-cooling. They seemed very interested in improving the quality of their products and elicited the feedback of myself and others who are experienced builders.

[Utnorris]

Thank you for the review. You probably would get a better response on Overclock.net. Most people here do not consider a closed loop solution "True" water cooling, but don't let that discourage you. It was a good review on a product that didi quite well considering it's price point. Thank you again.

[brandonwh64]

Yeah whats the problem here. His review was fine and did a nice job.

Doing some thread clean up.


Thanks for the review. I have spoken with a couple guys from Thermaltake over last couple years about water-cooling. They seemed very interested in improving the quality of their products and elicited the feedback of myself and others who are experienced builders.


Thank you for the review. You probably would get a better response on Overclock.net. Most people here do not consider a closed loop solution "True" water cooling, but don't let that discourage you. It was a good review on a product that didi quite well considering it's price point. Thank you again.

Thank you so much for the support! I was proud to do my first review!

[DarthBeavis]

Thank you for the review. You probably would get a better response on Overclock.net. Most people here do not consider a closed loop solution "True" water cooling, but don't let that discourage you. It was a good review on a product that didi quite well considering it's price point. Thank you again.We had a valid reason a couple years ago but these companies have worked hard and improved their products. We need independent side-by-side testing.

[nikhsub1]

Doing some thread clean up.
Not a very good job... If you are going to remove my posts then remove them from being quoted :shakes::rolleyes::hm::doh:

[crazyg0od33]

dude, get out of here...
this review is really good. keep it coming!
thanks!!

[Waterlogged]

Agree with everything that nik said that was quoted.

Really disappointed Tt came out with these after their so called call for help in their own sub section here and we told them to get away from these type units. Guess they weren't as serious about changing as they told us.

[DarthBeavis]

Agree with everything that nik said that was quoted.

Really disappointed Tt came out with these after their so called call for help in their own sub section here and we told them to get away from these type units. Guess they weren't as serious about changing as they told us.

Blah Blah Blah

[scamps]

@brandonwh64
Though I won´t ever become a supporter of Thermaltake cause they sold so much crap over the years: Thank you for this review!
Would be great to add the numbers of air ambient and water temps (or at least the air if you don´t want to cut the loop) to have a more proper comparison. And some pics of the disassembled block/pump unit please :D

What´s more:
Why didn´t you take prime fixed @10K for heating up? Is your tool really generating stable load?
Some notice about real rpm of the fans (H50 and TT) is missing.
Which temps of real temp did you analyse and compare??? And did you analyse a screen shot or the highest temps during a time frame of e.g. 60 minutes?

[NKrader]

Agree with everything that nik said that was quoted.

Really disappointed Tt came out with these after their so called call for help in their own sub section here and we told them to get away from these type units. Guess they weren't as serious about changing as they told us.

what is everyones issue with this item... pleanty of people use this branded as corsair or antec? those work fine, obviously it isnt for the superenthusiest members but who cares.


Blah Blah Blah
i must agree with you for this once db :up:


@brandonwh64
Though I won´t ever become a supporter of Thermaltake cause they sold so much crap over the years: Thank you for this review!

i said that same thing about koolance at one time. things can change :shrug:

[brandonwh64]

@brandonwh64
Though I won´t ever become a supporter of Thermaltake cause they sold so much crap over the years: Thank you for this review!
Would be great to add the numbers of air ambient and water temps (or at least the air if you don´t want to cut the loop) to have a more proper comparison. And some pics of the disassembled block/pump unit please :D

What´s more:
Why didn´t you take prime fixed @10K for heating up? Is your tool really generating stable load?
Some notice about real rpm of the fans (H50 and TT) is missing.
Which temps of real temp did you analyse and compare??? And did you analyse a screen shot or the highest temps during a time frame of e.g. 60 minutes?

Thanks for your questions! At first I was going to my Corsair A70 along with these using the same fans to generate a comparison but it is currently in use on another cruncher BUT I can run tests with it if you would like :)

The program I used for stability/High temps was folding at home on the CPU. Since these PCs have been running the chimp challenge, the max temps were even higher than when I did prime stability testing so I though what better program to show high heat than make them fold for one hour a piece on each test.

I went off the MAX temps when I did my analyse and compare. These were one hour tests at 100% load, folding for Chimp Challenge.

[mlwood37]

I think a lot of people missing some thing here.

1) To the op good mini review well done.
2) These units bring a lot of new consumers to water cooling. They get these units then they think what if i made my own.
3) TT are moving forwards and getting there. Give them a chance.

I personally am not a fan of Self contains WC units how ever i can see there advantages and that being, it brings more people closer to "Real water cooling" and all so it offers some thing a little different. And lets be honest here the amount of equipment they get for the price they pay is a feat in itself.

Think out of the box here and you will see a wider picture.

[brandonwh64]

I think a lot of people missing some thing here.

1) To the op good mini review well done.
2) These units bring a lot of new consumers to water cooling. They get these units then they think what if i made my own.
3) TT are moving forwards and getting there. Give them a chance.

I personally am not a fan of Self contains WC units how ever i can see there advantages and that being, it brings more people closer to "Real water cooling" and all so it offers some thing a little different. And lets be honest here the amount of equipment they get for the price they pay is a feat in itself.

Think out of the box here and you will see a wider picture.

And I thank all of you for the support. I agree Mlwood! I remember when the first AIO liquid coolers came out, they were not as good as some of the mid/higher air units and also price was more than the air units but now with the improvements company's like thermaltake are doing is creating better water units that perform on par with most of the higher end air units.

In the end, if you are a hardcore enthusiast then you would probably build your own loop but for someone who wants nice temps, higher than average OCing and to dabble in entry level water, this unit is perfect for them.

[itznfb]

Funny how people praise Antec and Corsair for building these types of units then bash Thermaltake for doing the same thing. Thermaltake's "call for help" was for feedback, suggestions and reviews on products just like this one. I love these types of units and I'm glad to see some comparison to the Corsair series. These are great cooling units for crunchers. Easier to work with than large HSF and provide top end air cooling results.
Thanks brandonwh64 for the review!

[Splave]

IDK I Just got a review sample of this as well....seems to be a bit better than my TRUE 120 with push pull 5k rpmers...certainly more quiet as well. Fans can be set as fast or slow as you want them, rad doesnt need high cfm to preform. If you dont want to build a loop and want something better than air then why not use this?

[Andrea deluxe]

any other liquid kit based on asetek technology make a ridicolous pump noise.

what about thermaltake?

[brandonwh64]

Funny how people praise Antec and Corsair for building these types of units then bash Thermaltake for doing the same thing. Thermaltake's "call for help" was for feedback, suggestions and reviews on products just like this one. I love these types of units and I'm glad to see some comparison to the Corsair series. These are great cooling units for crunchers. Easier to work with than large HSF and provide top end air cooling results.
Thanks brandonwh64 for the review!

You're welcome! Yes my main goal was to test this newer design unit again the first generation to show the improvements. As a cruncher I have three AIO units (H50, Asetek, and WATER2.0), these units are GREAT at being silent and keeping the crunchers temps happy at full load 24/7.


IDK I Just got a review sample of this as well....seems to be a bit better than my TRUE 120 with push pull 5k rpmers...certainly more quiet as well. Fans can be set as fast or slow as you want them, rad doesnt need high cfm to preform. If you dont want to build a loop and want something better than air then why not use this?

While I was reviewing this sample, I had the fans on FULL RPM and I was surprised that they are extremely quiet even in an open case. I woke up this morning to get ready for work and could not hear it at all compared to my corsair A70 with the same RPM zalman fans.


any other liquid kit based on asetek technology make a ridicolous pump noise.

what about thermaltake?

I cannot hear it at all as mentioned above. They have redesigned the pump style to be more efficient and for quiet operations

[Splave]

^its all good I think people see your post count and expect you are thermaltake employee is all ;) happens

[brandonwh64]

^its all good I think people see your post count and expect you are thermaltake employee is all ;) happens

Ahh I see nope just reviewing the sample. I am a member of the TPU Crunching/Folding teams and have been there for a long time along with anandtech/hardforums. I have had an account here for a while but have not posted much. I need to get more involved with this community as well. Great people here!

[Andrea deluxe]

but i see now...

have the same pump of the first gen of liquid all in one cooler.

the A80 have different pump...


confused at all...

and i repeat.. the only problem is the pump noise....

try to search on youtube "corsair pump noise" "antec pump noise"

[Buckeye]

I have a much earlyer sample of one of these, from last year version 1.0 I think it was and this looks like a much improved version.

Are the hoses on this unit flexable ? They look like rubber hoses to me.

I know the pumps on these are much improved and I also like the size of the rad. In many of builds fans that make no noise are not a concern as I often replace them with 150cfm's LOL.

@Andrea, I guess I haven't had the pump noise issue that you talked about. I have prolly used several hundred H100's and not one has had issues. Maybe what ever was making that nose has been worked out and they don't do that anymore, I don't know.

[itznfb]

but i see now...

have the same pump of the first gen of liquid all in one cooler.

the A80 have different pump...


confused at all...

and i repeat.. the only problem is the pump noise....

try to search on youtube "corsair pump noise" "antec pump noise"

The pump on my Corsair H100 was ridiculously loud for the first 15 minutes I had it on and then the noise just stopped. I thought it stopped working. But it's been silent ever since. The Corsair fans that come with it are LOUD though. My Corsair H70 has been silent since the moment I turned it on. I think a big advantage in these Tt kits will be the fans. Tt has always made nice quiet high pressure fans.

I'd love to get my hands on a Tt Water 2.0 Extreme to compare to my Corsair H100 on my de-lidded 3770k.

[brandonwh64]

I have a much earlyer sample of one of these, from last year version 1.0 I think it was and this looks like a much improved version.

Are the hoses on this unit flexable ? They look like rubber hoses to me.

I know the pumps on these are much improved and I also like the size of the rad. In many of builds fans that make no noise are not a concern as I often replace them with 150cfm's LOL.

@Andrea, I guess I haven't had the pump noise issue that you talked about. I have prolly used several hundred H100's and not one has had issues. Maybe what ever was making that nose has been worked out and they don't do that anymore, I don't know.

Yes the hoses are fully rubber and were the attach to the pump is on a swivel tube so you can maneuver the hoses in a almost 180 degree direction side to side for easier fitting into tighter cases.


The pump on my Corsair H100 was ridiculously loud for the first 15 minutes I had it on and then the noise just stopped. I thought it stopped working. But it's been silent ever since. The Corsair fans that come with it are LOUD though. My Corsair H70 has been silent since the moment I turned it on. I think a big advantage in these Tt kits will be the fans. Tt has always made nice quiet high pressure fans.

I'd love to get my hands on a Tt Water 2.0 Extreme to compare to my Corsair H100 on my de-lidded 3770k.

Yes I would love to see those comparisons as well! They both look like great units. I have been thinking of a H100 or WATER2.0 Extreme for my main rig for a while but haven't really pulled the trigger on it yet.

[itznfb]

I often replace them with 150cfm's LOL.

Like living inside of a jet engine...

[brandonwh64]

Like living inside of a jet engine...

LOL I tried this once with a 256CFM delta 120mm and...... well... let the video show you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=927TEqvthFY

[Buckeye]

Yeah they are loud LOL
I have had 250cfm fans here also on a Mega Shadow, didn't help much. In my tests going more then 150cfm didn't make any dif either.
If I strap on 4x 150cfm fans in push pull on a H100 it can handle some pretty heavy loads.

Here's my 250cfm :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ao4cek4IU&list=UUOMLzBE-WwG_Ln182KuqaZQ&index=10&feature=plpp_video

But back to Tt.
These units look pretty good for what they do. It looks like the Rad + Fans might be a little bigger than a Corsair unit so that might affect how you might them in some cases.

[DarthBeavis]

Bottom line is: Regardless of WHAT the guy was reviewing, he took the time to write out a thoughtful review and deserves a certain level of respect for doing so. The issue is not Thermaltake but instead how the OP was treated. If you guys are going to flame someone at least don't be amateurs about it (on another forum I frequent people know how to properly barbecue someone but at least their they threat their honest members with respect).

[mlwood37]

On that other forum they all so do not have any respect for any one and flame "EVERY" manufacturer and Every one so every thing they say is null and void. In fact they are the biggest laughing stock of the Wcing world. The only people who know any thing get let down by the rest of the drull dribble that gets posted and TBH its like watching a bunch of lost sheep waiting for the sheep dog herder to come along and herd you all back into some sort mass horde which is a dammed shame as there are some excellent and knowledgeable users there as well.

But total agree with the rest of your comments.

[B NEGATIVE]

Bottom line is: Regardless of WHAT the guy was reviewing, he took the time to write out a thoughtful review and deserves a certain level of respect for doing so. The issue is not Thermaltake but instead how the OP was treated. If you guys are going to flame someone at least don't be amateurs about it (on another forum I frequent people know how to properly barbecue someone but at least their they threat their honest members with respect).

This^^

The arrogance of some on this site is truly amazing,i can see why its in decline......

[DarthBeavis]

On that other forum they all so do not have any respect for any one and flame "EVERY" manufacturer and Every one so every thing they say is null and void. In fact they are the biggest laughing stock of the Wcing world. The only people who know any thing get let down by the rest of the drull dribble that gets posted and TBH its like watching a bunch of lost sheep waiting for the sheep dog herder to come along and herd you all back into some sort mass horde which is a dammed shame as there are some excellent and knowledgeable users there as well.

But total agree with the rest of your comments.

I was referring to how they treat their own. Not vendors, not outsiders. I have been on both sides of that fence. The OP is a member here who has done nothing wrong and did not deserve the crap he got from the two members who attacked him. If you want to attack people and have leeway to be rough then there are other places for it ;)

[DarthBeavis]

XS needs to install one of these to catch some of these off-track posts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-IrlhLF1c3k

[mlwood37]

Fair enough but yes i do agree the op should have not been attacked in the way he was and his points are valid how ever there are trolls about and every one is a victim of them. Seemingly these posts have been caught now but the "ref" to them have not.

[Tt Enthusiasts]

Agree with everything that nik said that was quoted.

Really disappointed Tt came out with these after their so called call for help in their own sub section here and we told them to get away from these type units. Guess they weren't as serious about changing as they told us.

I am serious about what I asked and a company does not just jump in head first into high end LCS market it takes alot of time and research and working with some of the best companies to ensure we head the right direction.

It also includes working with many educated enthusiasts such as you as we spke in the other thread somewhat at length about higher end LCS.

The water 2.0 product is more of a small step in the right direction and turning around how you guys see our LCS lineup.

I would never expect someone who is a seasoned builder to use this in their showcase rig, but for the every day gaming rig that your using to just pont through games this is more than enough and performs rather well as you will see from the feedback we have gotten from outside testing.

This product IS NOT designed to compete with a high end DIY liquid cooler. its designed to be easy to use and quick install that will blow away pretty much anything you can put on air, and do it while being quiet as well.

If you do not like the product you do not have to buy it, but please at least look at the results before just assuming things about a product. that goes a long way.

Thank you to everyone who looked at the product for "what it is" and not for "what it is not"

also pump noise has been pretty much non existent from my own testing but I will let the community guys tell you how they feel about them :)

[DarthBeavis]

I know of one TT employee (a newer hire who is leading the charge to improve their products) who is a serious LN2 over-clocker. That to me means he understands what we are going for and has credibility. I was one of the strongest opponents to TT here . . .go back and read my posts over the last several years. They knew that and sought me out for advice knowing my position on their products.

[Tt Enthusiasts]

I know of one TT employee (a newer hire who is leading the charge to improve their products) who is a serious LN2 over-clocker. That to me means he understands what we are going for and has credibility. I was one of the strongest opponents to TT here . . .go back and read my posts over the last several years. They knew that and sought me out for advice knowing my position on their products.

well if we wanna make sure our product gets better... gotta make sure someone who is already most critical of our product likes the direction ;)

[paulbagz]

Moral of the thread;

brandon you're a champ.

Looking forward to your next review!

-PB

[brandonwh64]

Moral of the thread;

brandon you're a champ.

Looking forward to your next review!

-PB

You guys over here at this forum need a thanks button cause I would be spamming it with all the positive comments! THANKS GUYS!

[paulbagz]

You guys over here at this forum need a thanks button cause I would be spamming it with all the positive comments! THANKS GUYS!

We used to have one, but the XS Gods took that power from us :(

-PB

[Elmy]

Hey thanks for the review. I see Thermaltake heading in the right direction here.

There are many other directions they could head as well.

[Slave1974]

Wait, aluminum and copper in the same loop? If TT is serious about not sucking, why do they keep mixing metals in the same loop. I am sure distilled water is cheaper than an anti corrosive mix. Is it that much cheaper to use an aluminum rad and anti corrosive than it would be to just not use aluminum?

[Shocker003]

I think a lot of people missing some thing here.

1) To the op good mini review well done.
2) These units bring a lot of new consumers to water cooling. They get these units then they think what if i made my own.
3) TT are moving forwards and getting there. Give them a chance.

I personally am not a fan of Self contains WC units how ever i can see there advantages and that being, it brings more people closer to "Real water cooling" and all so it offers some thing a little different. And lets be honest here the amount of equipment they get for the price they pay is a feat in itself.

Think out of the box here and you will see a wider picture.

+1
I started out with Coolermaster Aquagate the 80cm rad unit:down: The pump died after i upgraded the rad to a 120cm BI. It´s always good to gain some water cooling knowledge with these.
All the same nice review and don´t let BS derail you.:up:

[DarthBeavis]

Wait, aluminum and copper in the same loop? If TT is serious about not sucking, why do they keep mixing metals in the same loop. I am sure distilled water is cheaper than an anti corrosive mix. Is it that much cheaper to use an aluminum rad and anti corrosive than it would be to just not use aluminum?

If they use anti-corrosives who gives a damn if it is mixed metals? Sealed loop. Now go check the price of copper verses aluminum.

[Buckeye]

Agreed DB.

I have units from Corsair/Coolit that have mixed metals and they work just fine. Fact is these units are made very well for what they do, plug and play and they cool a little better then high end air coolers plus they can handle really good loads.

[Stealth42o]

i thought a review of any computer item was welcome here..

:shrug:

It is as far as I am concerned. I saw the title and thought "Let the :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing begin".
It is a very good review, thanks. I appreciate the work.

[itznfb]

Agreed DB.

I have units from Corsair/Coolit that have mixed metals and they work just fine. Fact is these units are made very well for what they do, plug and play and they cool a little better then high end air coolers plus they can handle really good loads.

Also being able to use all 4 memory slots with large heatspreaders. A major advantage over the top end air coolers that compete with these units.

[Tt Enthusiasts]

Also being able to use all 4 memory slots with large heatspreaders. A major advantage over the top end air coolers that compete with these units.

This is a very good point and definitely one of the advantages of the unit :)