Asus VG278H & NVIDIA 3D VISION 2

[Andrea deluxe]

Finally is coming the new Asus VG278H with bundled 3D Vision 2 Kit
Introduces Lightboost technology (sync the backligh of the monitor with the 3d glasses stutter to massively reduce crosstalk effect)

http://cdn.arduer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/asus_vg278-3d-monitor-thumb-450x349.jpg

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201110/20111015201833_3DVision2Teaser.jpg

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201110/20111015202420_nvidia-3d-vision-2-glasses-advantages.jpg

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201110/20111015201839_3D_Vision_2_Front.jpg

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_201110/20111015201846_ThirdGeneration3DMonitors.jpg



Link:
http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG278H/

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-3d-vision2-wireless-glasses-kit-us.html

Review's:
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/NVIDIA-3D-Vision-2-and-The-Asus-VG278-LCD/

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1742/1/

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/47332-nvidia-3d-vision-2-kit-review.html

http://v6.erenumerique.fr/asus_vg278h_nvidia_3d_vision_2_la_renaissance_de_l a_3d_-article-1432-1.html

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/asus-vg278h-p240_12112_150.html

http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the-27-inch-asus-vg278h-3d-vision-ready-lcd-monitor/

[p3gaz_001]

nice one dude ;)

[solofly]

I'm thinking about it...

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/47332-nvidia-3d-vision-2-kit-review.html

[RPGWiZaRD]

I hate when they have to bundle the 3D vision kit with all 120Hz monitors which means like $100~150 extra cost. I just want the monitor for 2D 120Hz gaming damnit! At least they could offer another "model" without the kit for less. It's not like every customer will need to rebuy the 3D vision kit everytime they are gonna change monitor either...

[SKYMTL]

I don't know. $699 (likely closer to $599 on sale) seems reasonable to me for a 27" 120Hz monitor.

[Andrea deluxe]

I hate when they have to bundle the 3D vision kit with all 120Hz monitors which means like $100~150 extra cost. I just want the monitor for 2D 120Hz gaming damnit! At least they could offer another "model" without the kit for less. It's not like every customer will need to rebuy the 3D vision kit everytime they are gonna change monitor either...
the problem is.....

imagine if one takes the version without goggles, mount the monitor enables the 3D (ir integrated) and then calls to say that Asus is not seen in advanced 3D with the glasses from the cinema...

all the monitor with ir integrated coming with eyeglass....

[Andrea deluxe]

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1742/1/

[jogshy]

I really hate monitors packing the 3D vision glasses because they usually include the wireless glasses + receiver.... but I acually like to keep my brain's temperature safe and use the wired glases intead :D
And, btw, a dot pitch greater than 0.24 is terribly bad :D

[Andrea deluxe]

I really hate monitors packing the 3D vision glasses because they usually include the wireless glasses + receiver.... but I acually like to keep my brain's temperature safe and use the wired glases intead :D
And, btw, a dot pitch greater than 0.24 is terribly bad :D

did you tryed a 120hz monitor?

temperature???? wtf?

receiver???? is integrated!

[RPGWiZaRD]

I don't know. $699 (likely closer to $599 on sale) seems reasonable to me for a 27" 120Hz monitor.

Well yea all 27" 120Hz monitors are pretty overpriced atm. Samsung just released a new great 23" 120Hz LCD that is available in Sweden and Germany for around 230 ~ 300 EUR (250~$350 USD). At current prices I'd much rather go for 23-24". Paying double for 3-4" more screen size is nuts IMO without changing resolution.

This one looks nice, and it's appeared on some German sites for as low as 229 EUR (normally correspond to ~$250 in US markets) http://www.samsung.com/africa_en/consumer/pc-peripherals-printer/monitors/led/LS23A700DS/XA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail

+ Very aesthetic design
+ VERY THIN bezel
+ Glossy but with anti-glare coating
+ Low input lag
+ Great colors

[BababooeyHTJ]

Is there any word of a new 23" lightboost display in the works?


Well yea all 27" 120Hz monitors are pretty overpriced atm. Samsung just released a new great 23" 120Hz LCD that is available in Sweden and Germany for around 230 ~ 300 EUR (250~$350 USD). At current prices I'd much rather go for 23-24". Paying double for 3-4" more screen size is nuts IMO without changing resolution.

This one looks nice, and it's appeared on some German sites for as low as 229 EUR (normally correspond to ~$250 in US markets) http://www.samsung.com/africa_en/consumer/pc-peripherals-printer/monitors/led/LS23A700DS/XA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail



+ Very aesthetic design
+ VERY THIN bezel
+ Glossy but with anti-glare coating
+ Low input lag
+ Great colors

I completely agree with you. I couldn't justify spending that much on a 1080p TN display and that is coming from a huge fan of 3d vision.

My main gripe about the Samsung is the lack of 3d vision support.

[RPGWiZaRD]

My main gripe about the Samsung is the lack of 3d vision support.

There's 2 swedish buyer reviews up for it and apparently it comes with 3D vision glasses so yea it should support 3D vision.

The ASUS 23-24" whatever model it was would be pretty good one at a reasonable price as well but being glossy and no anti-glare measurements like on the Samsung is a reason I'm not biting. I'm very interested in this Samsung 23" one tho for that price. Reasonable price for a 27" would be perhaps ~$450 to me, definitely no more for a TN panel.

[BababooeyHTJ]

There's 2 swedish buyer reviews up for it and apparently it comes with 3D vision glasses so yea it should support 3D vision.

The ASUS 23-24" whatever model it was would be pretty good one at a reasonable price as well but being glossy and no anti-glare measurements like on the Samsung is a reason I'm not biting. I'm very interested in this Samsung 23" one tho for that price. Reasonable price for a 27" would be perhaps ~$450 to me, definitely no more for a TN panel.

No, they are not Nvidia 3d vision glasses. They are Samsung's own 3d glasses so it will do all of the standard stuff over HDMI 1.4 like side by side, tri-def, AMD HD3d, Nvidia 3dtvplay and IZ3D but those solutions are very limited compared to Nvidia 3d vision. They won't do 60hz per eye at 1080p and from what I hear don't look as good for the most part.

There is a hack to get 3d vision working with this monitor but I hear that the results aren't all that great. From what I hear it ghosts a lot.

If you want a nice 23" 120hz monitor take a look at the BenQ. I've been hearing good things about it recently. From what I hear with the newer versions backlight bleed is no longer an issue thanks to a firmware update. If you can find a Planar SA2311w I highly recommend it but they can be tough to find outside of the US from what I hear.

[Andrea deluxe]

benq io one of the worse 3d 120hz monitor.

I had all the 120hz monitor, and the best are:

Asus vg236
Planar sa2311
lg 2363d
acer hn274

the other insn't good..

[BababooeyHTJ]

benq io one of the worse 3d 120hz monitor.

I had all the 120hz monitor, and the best are:

Asus vg236
Planar sa2311
lg 2363d
acer hn274

the other insn't good..

:rolleyes:

Now if you could only explain how you came to that conclusion. That BenQ from what I hear is one of the best 120hz monitors on the market. The Planar SA2311w blows the Asus vg236 out of the water when it comes to 3d vision as does the LG.

[Andrea deluxe]

:rolleyes:

Now if you could only explain how you came to that conclusion. That BenQ from what I hear is one of the best 120hz monitors on the market. The Planar SA2311w blows the Asus vg236 out of the water when it comes to 3d vision as does the LG.

dear...

the review... are a simple review....

if i take a monitor in my home i consider every aspect.....

photo, movie, games and internet.

anyone talk about the poor color intensity of the lg?

anyone talk about the red color on acer?

anyone talk about the color fidelity of the planar?

anyone talk about the poor 3d mode of the asus?

trust me..

if you like to play 120hz 2d game the best monitor is the asus

if you love 3d vision (actually) lg, planar and acer are the greatest's

BENQ is pure Bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:....

trust me

[BababooeyHTJ]

What is it about the Benq that you didn't like? The recent firmware revisions have cleared up the issues with backlight bleed.

Poor color fidelity of the Planar? Most of the reviews that I've seen showed it having pretty good color accuracy according to a color meter especially for a TN, my eyes tend to agree.

I haven't been hearing the greatest things about color accuracy with the LG and I hear that the anti-glare coating is a bit excessive but thats pretty well documented.

I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to argue with you. I just want to hear your opinion and the reasoning behind it. I normally prefer end user reviews.

[Andrea deluxe]

What is it about the Benq that you didn't like? The recent firmware revisions have cleared up the issues with backlight bleed.

Poor color fidelity of the Planar? Most of the reviews that I've seen showed it having pretty good color accuracy according to a color meter especially for a TN, my eyes tend to agree.

I haven't been hearing the greatest things about color accuracy with the LG and I hear that the anti-glare coating is a bit excessive but thats pretty well documented.

I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to argue with you. I just want to hear your opinion and the reasoning behind it. I normally prefer end user reviews.

benq is simply the slowest 120hz on the market and 3d vision work like a :banana::banana::banana::banana: on a slow lcd.

lg is simply color died


im waiting to test this asus 27".....

[RPGWiZaRD]

benq io one of the worse 3d 120hz monitor.

I had all the 120hz monitor, and the best are:

Asus vg236
Planar sa2311
lg 2363d
acer hn274

the other insn't good..

Agreed on this list in that particular order too. ASUS VG236 is proven to be a good allrounder, the only big drawback for some may be the glossy screen. This new Samsung S23A700D I talked about is also glossy but has anti-glare and reflects significantly less than that ASUS one. I wish some1 made a proper review of the S23A700D...

[WeaponX]

This looks like a great monitor but I'm not going to cancel my backorder for the Planar sa2311 at 291.00 (Tigerdirect), I think I'll be happy with the price and monitor.

[Andrea deluxe]

based on legedit review

Update: After further troubleshooting and testing it appears we only had a bad DVI cable. Upon replacing the cable and running some further tests this monitor looks great for most tasks. Colors are a bit over-saturated for graphic editing (not the intended purpose of this screen), though a combination of settings changes on the monitor and in the NVIDIA Control Panel does alleviate most of this issue. Colors are excellent in stereoscopic 3D mode, LightBoost and the new glasses improving the experience quite a bit.

[RaZz!]

I hate when they have to bundle the 3D vision kit with all 120Hz monitors which means like $100~150 extra cost. I just want the monitor for 2D 120Hz gaming damnit! At least they could offer another "model" without the kit for less. It's not like every customer will need to rebuy the 3D vision kit everytime they are gonna change monitor either...

the vg278h's smaller brother, the vg236h, is available without glasses as well (known as vg236he). it was released a few months later though.

i was waiting for the s27a950d but got turned off by its price and bulky stand. now samsung announced the s27a700d (which has dvi as well and comes in a more convenient design). however, the glossy screen is a nogo for me - too many windows and too much light in my room... i saw the 950d and 750d in a local store and the "ultra clear panel" (glossy with anti glare) is pretty reflective as well which totally sux. additionately, it doesn't support nvidia's 3dvision and has to be used with tridef.

the vg278h on the other hand has a matte screen - instant win! - and is 3dvision compatible. it has better ergonomics as well, since the height of the stand is adjustable.
i'm looking forward to more in-depth reviews of the vg278h and a hopefully to be released vg278he model without glasses. i'm getting more and more interested in the stereoscopic 3d side of things though, so maybe i'd even buy it with the glasses. depends on the price trend of both models.

i'd definately go for a 27" screen as 23"/23,6" with 1920x1080 has a pretty small pixel pitch. even with my current screen (22", 1680x1050 which has a larger pixel pitch) i catch myself leaning towards the monitor from time to time. i'd suspect it to be even worse with a smaller pixel pitch.

so my options are pretty limited:
- samsung s27a700d
- samsung s27a950d
- acer hn274h
- asus vg278h

for now the asus looks to be the most promising candidate.

[Andrea deluxe]

for now the asus looks to be the most promising candidate.
agree.

is the most complete monitor ever made!

[larkin]

Only thing left to know is price and measured input lag.

I am considering between the ASUS VG278H and the BenQ XL2410T or upcoming XL2420T.

The BenQ was one of the fastest displays tested in terms of input lag (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_xl2410t.htm).

I have a 24" 16:10 right now and am wondering if going to 27" 16:9 is about right, size wise. The 23" 16:9s seems a little small compared to what I have now.

[miahallen]

Asus said this was going to be out in Oct....it's the 31st :stick:

[larkin]

ASUS has the manual available for download on their website (just select "Other" as the OS): http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG278H/#download

I read through it and not much interesting to report.

I do have a question of my own though, can 3D blu-ray movies we viewed with this monitor and if so is an Nvidia 3d card required?

[miahallen]

Yes they can be viewed, no it doesn't require an nVidia card to do so. However, I believe they would only be displayed at 720p due to the limitations of the HDMI port...with an nVidia card, you could watch at 1080p :)

[miahallen]

Asus VG278H 3D Monitor with 3D Vision 2 Ready For Testing...


...if you are currently considering what new 3D monitor to get, then I’d recommend you to wait a bit more...
Down in the comments section, "Bloody" the editor, offers this:

...My first subjective impressions from the Asus monitor: very bright without the glasses (2D mode), brighter image with the glasses (3D mode), slightly reduced crosstalk/ghosting, but far from gone, feels very responsive… the screen is not glossy.

The old and new 3D Vision glasses work with Lightboost and provide the same level of brightness and crosstalk, so there is no much of a difference here. Both the new and old 3D Vision glasses work the same with old 3D monitors as well, but the new glasses still have larger lenses, more comfortable design, so there is some advantage...
source -
http://3dvision-blog.com/asus-vg278h-3d-monitor-with-3d-vision-2-ready-for-testing/

[Andrea deluxe]

sweeeeeeeeetttt!!!!!

[RaZz!]

http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1732

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/asus-vg278h-p240_12112_150.html :)

[Andrea deluxe]

http://3dvision-blog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1732

http://www.lesnumeriques.com/asus-vg278h-p240_12112_150.html :)

thanks a lot

first page add....

[Andrea deluxe]

http://3dvision-blog.com/review-of-the-27-inch-asus-vg278h-3d-vision-ready-lcd-monitor/

plus

http://3dvision-blog.com/more-on-ghosting-and-brightness-of-the-asus-vg278h-3d-monitor/

[clubber_lang]

What makes the Asus better than other LCD monitors this size , with comparable refresh rates and so forth? I've actually been looking at this Acer right here >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009300

It's quite a bit cheaper and has some great reviews as well. 120hz , 3D capable and 2ms response time. I think I may be picking up one of these within the next few days , unless someone explains why the Asus is supposed to be better. I always had great luck with Acer monitors in the past , and this one looks pretty damn impressive.

[BababooeyHTJ]

I would go with the Asus just for the lightboost support. I would say that the darkness is the biggest issue with 3d vision and that shouldn't be a problem with the Asus. On top of that is ghosts a bit less than the Acer. You also get the new 3d glasses with the Asus which is also a plus.

[miahallen]

+1 for Lightboost, it should be worth a few extra $$$ ;)

[Andrea deluxe]

monitor arrived and tryed!

is fantastic in every aspect compared to the hn274h!!!!

[metachronos]

Scale it down to 24" and it would be perfect. 1080p on 27" is not for me.

[miahallen]

Just back up a couple inches ;)

[miahallen]

WOW....there are a lot of negative reviews on this monitor at the egg.....its making me not want one anymore. Anybody get one yet?

[ClockZ]

WOW....there are a lot of negative reviews on this monitor at the egg.....its making me not want one anymore. Anybody get one yet?I went to egg to buy one as well and seen the issues being posted, bought the Acer 27 insted. I have the Asus 23 and it is great but sounds like the 27 is kinda hit or miss for people and didn't want to deal with RMA's and stuff if I didnt have too.

[Kami.]

I also went to newegg and saw all of the negative reviews, especially about bad backlight bleed in the center. I've been waiting for this monitor to come out for what seems forever, and now this. I guess I'm going to wait for the benQ to come out, I want to purchase the monitor for 120hz fps gaming and don't care about 3d. Seems the asus might only be good for 3d. Shame, I was really looking forward to it, but that is a lot of negative responses fairly quickly after release to ignore. Hopefully some more reviews come out.

[fr0wn3r]

Pretty surprised with feedback on Asus. That Acer model would be perfect if it had 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost. It's even WLED TN panel (WLED is definitely an advantage in 2D mode, dunno how it impacts the 3D?), unlike the one in Asus.

Offtopic, since I'm just getting to know 3D and slowly reading reviews around the web so... Is 3D always displayed in 720p on all monitors and TVs or there are some that can display 1080p 3D?
Might as well consider getting the 3D TV for casual 3D gaming and just get some better monitor for everyday gaming and other uses...

[Andrea deluxe]

WOW....there are a lot of negative reviews on this monitor at the egg.....its making me not want one anymore. Anybody get one yet?

im sorry....

after 3/4 days i just recognized much image problem....

color not much vivid
gamma too high and not adjustable


i switch to S27A950D and i confirm..... is the best 2d 120hz monitor

but no 3d vision....

[miahallen]

Pretty surprised with feedback on Asus. That Acer model would be perfect if it had 3D Vision 2 and Lightboost. It's even WLED TN panel (WLED is definitely an advantage in 2D mode, dunno how it impacts the 3D?), unlike the one in Asus.

Offtopic, since I'm just getting to know 3D and slowly reading reviews around the web so... Is 3D always displayed in 720p on all monitors and TVs or there are some that can display 1080p 3D?
Might as well consider getting the 3D TV for casual 3D gaming and just get some better monitor for everyday gaming and other uses...

I was really confused about this as well because nVidia really seems to downplay the 720p limitation of "3DTV Play"....
3D Vision really takes on two forms..."3D Vision" and "3DTV Play"

3DTV Play

This is an extra piece of software which allows 3D Vision to be used on non-3d Vision compatible displays.
If you don't already have a 3D Vision IR emmitter hooked up to your PC, you must pay a one time $40 licensing fee to enable 3DTV Play on your system.
3DTV Play is especially handy to give you the ability to use your HDMI v1.4 equipped HDTV (and the TV's matching 3D glasses) to use 3D Vision capabilities.
There are resolution limitations with 3DTV Play, either 720p @ 60Hz (for gaming) or 1080p @ 24Hz (for movie watching).
The main cause of the resolution limitations is the HDMI v1.4 cable, which does not support high enough bandwidth for 1080p @ 60Hz.
You can check the list of compatible displays here. (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3dtv-play-system-requirements.html)


3DVision

This is the original implementation and allows for full 1080p @ 60fps
This will only work with "3D Vision" stamped HW....nothing else.
"3D Vision Surround" provides support for up to 3 identical monitors for a more immersive experience.
The only large displays that are 3D Vision compatible are the Mitzubishi DLP rear projection HDTVs, and I cannot seem to figure out whether or not they actually support 1080p @ 60Hz.
I believe the Mitzubishi TVs only have HDMI connectors (leading me to the conclusion they would also be resolution limited), but I cannot seem to dig up this information :-/
All the 3D Vision monitors currently on the market support 1080p @ 60Hz via a dual-link-DVI cable.
Some upcoming monitors with a "DisplayPort" will also have compatibility.
You can view the list of compatible displays here. (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-system-requirements.html)

I think that about covers it, but let me know if you have any other questions, I've looked into this a lot lately :)

[fr0wn3r]

Thanks mia, think I got it all concerning the 3D! You did awesome job, putting it simple like that. You should teach man, I'm telling you... :D

Btw, saw a few models that support 3DVision over HDMI 1.4a on that link you provided, like that BenQ monitor. And as far as Mitsubishi TVs, they're definitely a no-go for me, rarely seen in Europe plus prices are out of my reach.

Think no questions left except ones on which I won't find an answer, like... why OEMs are slacking with DP connection on their products when it has so much more potential, nVidia on it's GPUs and monitor makers on their products? And why the hell nVidia still didn't add support for "full" audio transport over HDMI on higher priced GPUs? Like, there's no a gamer that will use his mean-machine for something other than gaming. :rolleyes:

Anyway, gonna look at the other camp and see what they offer with HD3D, then wait a few months to get a new VGA and monitor. Hopefully 6xx cards will be good and add some more support 'cause they're promising us beasts and hopefully the prices won't be what's being speculated around the web. And that BenQ, looks good on papre. Gonna be prepared! Armed with knowledge! :D

[solofly]

Here's another alternative which I'm considering for myself...

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36992

[solofly]

Well went ahead and placed an order for BenQ 20T and should have it next week, hopefully early next week. NCIX has them in stock as we speak or should I say, just got them in...

[fr0wn3r]

Let us know how it performs. :)

[RaZz!]

after countless hours of indecision i pulled the trigger on the VG278H, yay! ;)

the only thing holding me back was the price (~530€ here in germany) so i waited. now i got a pretty good offer (20% rebate) and ordered it for 429€. still kind of expensive, but it was now or never :D (i was so excited about it that i also placed a m4 128gb in my shopping cart lmao, complete facelift for my pc :D;))

i hope it'll perform well and doesn't suffer from the backlight issues that have been reported over at the hardforums.