Let's see those Bitcoin farms! [Archive]

[XC] gomeler

06-09-2011, 09:15 AM

It's always fun showing off what cool toys you have. Feel free to brag a bit and show off your farm or lonely GPU and what clocks and MHash/s you are achieving.

I'll start off with my first GPU.

HD 5670 @ 900/1000 churning away at ~85MH/s in Ubuntu 10.04 x64 with the v2.1 SDK and AMD 10.12 drivers. I'm running poclbm-mod from 4-21-2011 :up:

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slaveondope

06-09-2011, 09:34 AM

:ROTF: Bitcoin has its own sub-forum already.

Look what I found after you'll bought the last 5830's for 140 a pop:hehe:
That makes 8x5850's, 4x5830's, 1x5770.

http://i54.tinypic.com/ac4dxv.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/2en3lz9.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/33b1oa1.jpg

jcool

06-09-2011, 02:47 PM

Gotta fill those empty cruncher slots :D (http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img021v09nc6aktj.jpg)

[XC] gomeler

06-09-2011, 04:09 PM

Gotta fill those empty cruncher slots :D (http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/img021v09nc6aktj.jpg)

:eek:

artemm

06-09-2011, 07:06 PM

Building....

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9582/dsc00964rz.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1102/dsc00966onh.jpg

Also have 2500 MH/s with current hardware...

That may go up after this weekend ;)

shoota

06-09-2011, 07:10 PM

O.M.G.

Are those all brand new?

don_xvi

06-09-2011, 07:17 PM

WOW! That looks like a mahjong puzzle!
I found the Blue in there...

NKrader

06-09-2011, 07:31 PM

i wish i had a bagillion dollars layin around :p:

artemm

06-09-2011, 07:42 PM

i wish i had a bagillion dollars layin around :p:

I got these discounted and I haven't spent much on hardware in a while. My bajillion dollars are still in the bank :rofl:

O.M.G.

Are those all brand new?

Yes, gigas were cheaper, but have better cooling. I will run them directly side by side with no blocks.

WOW! That looks like a mahjong puzzle!
I found the Blue in there...

Blue is the only thing keeping me Canadian in this strange land, dude. They call it "Labatt" here. Typical exchange:
- I'll have a Blue, please
- What? ... ohh, a Labatt?
- Well, I'd love to have a beer company, but I'd just like a bottle of Blue, please
- ... wha?
- They make more beer than just Blue, you know
- Who?
- Just give me the damn beer, barkeep!

kjeldoran

06-09-2011, 07:43 PM

Sparky

06-09-2011, 07:49 PM

I'll admit the idea of being able to buy a nice card upgrade, pay it off with bitcoin, plus then fund my electric bill after that to keep crunchers going is tempting. But it feels too much like the lottery that I would end up in the hole and not make any income from it after all. Usually how my luck goes :p:

If a 5870/6970 didn't cost so much I'd be more tempted but $300-ish up front is too much. Too bad they aren't priced like my 4870 was when I got it - $180 brand new at release was awesome :D

artemm

06-09-2011, 07:49 PM

Holy crap, you will get like 10BTC a day and at the current rate you would be making about $9000 a month!*

*Assuming the market stays around $30 per BTC and you produce 10BTC a day.

Feel free to send one this way!

There are too many "if" points, my friend. I'm OK if the Bitcoin thing goes away tomorrow. I'm buying assets... I like this stuff.

However, if I can give 'er hell for a few weeks and make some green in the process for new rigs, that'll be alright by me!

I am setting up Sandys to go with the cards.

WhiteFireDragon

06-09-2011, 08:19 PM

Sparky

06-09-2011, 08:25 PM

I found the best deal on a 5870.... right here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-ATI-Radeon-HD-5870-ARES-2DIS-4GD5-GDDR5-/330572819403?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4cf7acebcb

:wth:

artemm

06-11-2011, 12:47 PM

wow artemm you got some crazy investments in there with those cards + waterblocks. how much a pop did you pay for those, and how did you manage to find that many? i haven't looked around for those, but from reading all this new bitcoin chit chat, it's pretty hard to find a new 5870 here in the US.

Investments?

No, man, if I considered these as investments, I'd need to get my head checked! :p:

I got these cards for reasonable prices and paired them up with nice Sandy mobos for WCG. If I can recover some cash in the process, that's great. If I can't, that's fine too. That's just the nature of our hobby.. it ain't cheap :)

Would I recommend for anyone to go all out and "invest" in hardware and make a "business" out of it? No way. You may lose big. BTC crashes, tons of HD5xxx cards hit the market, and you're stuck with a bunch of quickly depreciating hardware, a bunch of worthless currency and one hell of a power bill. Not worth the risk, IMO. But if you're buying hardware anyway... hey, why not ride the bubble while it lasts?

[XC] gomeler

06-12-2011, 10:45 AM

Here's the first expansion on my farm. 5 HD 5830s running at 875/900 for ~260MH/s per card with a powerdraw of 920w for both boxes. Going to flash the cards to 1000/300 this afternoon and see if they stay stable.

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Now debating on picking up another 4 HD 6970 and jumping up to 3GH/s :D

stangracin3

06-12-2011, 10:59 AM

ive got 1 5850 @ 980, but i will need to redo my water loop soon

ive seen up to 416 MH/s

p2501

06-26-2011, 08:18 AM

At last I found some time to put the miners in the basement. Right on time for returning summer heat around here. Now I just need two more 6990s to fill the remaining slots and then I'm done. This very small basement room won't keep up with much more heat, the normally slighty damp and cold walls are warm and dry atm... :p:

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Maybe it needs some cable management?! :D

jcool

06-26-2011, 01:44 PM

gomeler;4878942']Here's the first expansion on my farm. 5 HD 5830s running at 875/900 for ~260MH/s per card with a powerdraw of 920w for both boxes. Going to flash the cards to 1000/300 this afternoon and see if they stay stable.

Gom, did you manage to fabricate a working bios for those 5830's? I got some Sapphire Extreme 5830's but as soon as I try to flash _any_ edited bios, all I get is atik... bla.dll BSODs while mining. I've had no issues with the 5850 and 5870's, but I can't seem to get a modded bios for the 5830 working using RBE. Looking closely, the 5830 isn't on RBEs list of supported cards... anyway, if you have working a 1000/300 bios for Sapphire Extreme 5830's I'd appreciate an upload :)

Jen

06-26-2011, 02:06 PM

Gom, did you manage to fabricate a working bios for those 5830's? I got some Sapphire Extreme 5830's but as soon as I try to flash _any_ edited bios, all I get is atik... bla.dll BSODs while mining. I've had no issues with the 5850 and 5870's, but I can't seem to get a modded bios for the 5830 working using RBE. Looking closely, the 5830 isn't on RBEs list of supported cards... anyway, if you have working a 1000/300 bios for Sapphire Extreme 5830's I'd appreciate an upload :)

i modified my own bios for 5830 sapphire xtreme at 940/340 that gives me 279 mhash

Jen

Dumo

06-26-2011, 02:12 PM

tons of HD5xxx cards hit the market, and you're stuck with a bunch of quickly depreciating hardware
I can use a couple or quad 5870s for benching 3Ds:D

Nice hardwares:up:

jcool

06-26-2011, 02:21 PM

i modified my own bios for 5830 sapphire xtreme at 940/340 that gives me 279 mhash

Jen

Using RBE? Or a different bios editor? As I said, every 5830 bios I've edited with RBE 1.28 causes BSODs after 1-2 minutes runtime (not immediately, for some reason).
I'd appreciate it if you could tell me your way of editing the bios, if it worked for you :)

Jen

06-26-2011, 03:48 PM

Using RBE? Or a different bios editor? As I said, every 5830 bios I've edited with RBE 1.28 causes BSODs after 1-2 minutes runtime (not immediately, for some reason).
I'd appreciate it if you could tell me your way of editing the bios, if it worked for you :)

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11746.0

try this article for how to do , its what worked for mine

Jen

jcool

06-26-2011, 04:43 PM

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11746.0

try this article for how to do , its what worked for mine

Jen

Errr... that's just a lengthy how-to using RBE. Which I know how to use, as it works on all my other cards, and I've been flashing GPUs for 10 years. It's just some weird problem with those particular 5830's. Guess I have to do more testing and figure it out on my own - thanks though.

Alpha

06-26-2011, 05:16 PM

just because you flashed and loaded a bios with a higher stock voltage, if the VR's dont support that kind of change (1 of my 5830's), i have to manually change the voltage with MSI Afterburner else its dies instantly. I have my 2 5830's at 1000/300 at 1.25v (thanks slaveondope!!).

jcool

06-27-2011, 02:07 AM

Again - I KNOW how to use RBE, it just :banana::banana::banana::banana:s up the bios on those particular Sapphire Extreme 5830 cards even if all I do is load & save with RBE (without changing anything). The cards do support voltage adjustment (with TriXXX), GPU registers are not accessible with RBE though, so I didn't change anything. They don't need more than the stock 1.163V for 1Ghz core anyway (thanks to water cooling), so that's not an issue either.

Andrew Moore

06-27-2011, 03:01 AM

Thinking of rocking out some 5850s as I can get them for a reasonable price...

Whats the best way to go about setting this all up correctly and what sort of coin turnover would i likely see in a 24hr period?

If i can have part of the farm paying for its self that would be great!

Thanks

ggdh

06-27-2011, 03:47 AM

It is very difficult to predict return of investment period as bitcoin market is very volatile.

Have a look here to estimate your daily production: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
And then put a sum of your cards' output here: http://98.200.247.249:81/btc_calc.php

don_xvi

06-27-2011, 03:51 AM

Your first question takes a lot to answer! Windows or linux? How are you going to cool multiple cards? Take note that you need a "dummy plug" to run cards not connected to monitors in Windows. Check out our own [How To] (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271701-How-to-fund-your-cruncher-s-utility-bill-OR-how-to-make-money-using-bitcoin) thread to get up & running in Windows.

As for production, here are a few resources to check out:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
http://bitminer.info/

Then once you've generated some and want to sell, sign up here at Tradehill:
https://www.tradehill.com/User/Register
If you use my code TH-R1494 it'll give you a discount on your comissions. Are blatant referral codes allowed here at XS?
Once you've got some cash in your Tradehill account, you'll need to sign up for someplace like dwolla.com to transfer USD into your bank account. There are other resources for other currencies.

p2501

06-28-2011, 09:42 PM

Question related to miners:

Is IC Diamond considered okay on bare dies? I know that it is kind of abrasive, I lost the etchings on heat spreaders more than once so.. did anyone use it directly on dies yet?! I think I need to re-TIM at least one card..

WhiteFireDragon

06-28-2011, 11:01 PM

i wouldn't use it on direct GPU dies. i used it on my CPU and it scratched the laser etching of the CPU, and also scratched the mirror finish of the heatsink's base. on skinny's lab review of the various TIM, he had to stop using the IC diamond during the roundup because of the scratches he was getting on the CPU. i'm not trying to scare u away from using this good TIM or anything, it may or may not hurt the GPU, but better safe than sorry especially on bare die

acebmxer

06-30-2011, 04:52 AM

Here is my farm. First system is HIS 6950 2gb iceq x turbo @ 910/1450 GUiminer shows 360Mhash/s
Second system is a xfx 5850 @ 800/1075 Guiminer shows 300Mhash/s

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Musho

06-30-2011, 09:01 AM

:D;):p::lol2::shocked:

http://i53.tinypic.com/28tb9tj.jpg

[XC] gomeler

06-30-2011, 09:09 AM

Man I hope you have free power. In about a month those GPUs will consume money in power than they generate :(

Musho

06-30-2011, 10:32 AM

gomeler;4893754']Man I hope you have free power. In about a month those GPUs will consume money in power than they generate :(

Nope, we have one of the highest energy prices in the world. About 0,22€ per kWh which is about 0,30 USD. Not all of those GPUs are for me though. I already had 2 5870s for my gaming needs and when I read about the bitcoin concept, I figured it would be a fun project without too much risk, as I already had a lot of stuff to get started. 2 friends wanted to join in on the fun, and I warned them for the great risks which comes from starting from the scratch. They decided to try it anyways. :p:

Anyway, I've bought one 5850 for my main rig, and build a single quadfire 5850 rig as a dedicated miner. In the end, I've spend about 1000€ on equipment, and consumed a bit over 500 kWh. It netted me over 55 bitcoins already, so I've already over break even if I decide to stop now and sell the stuff. All in all I've had a blast participating in this fun little project, so whatever happens now, I'm a happy camper. Hopefully it's gonna generate a bit more, though! Never gonna hurt :)

Edit: Build those mining rigs at the start of June (10th or something like that? Dunno exactly), was just slow with uploading the picture ;)

WhiteFireDragon

06-30-2011, 11:19 AM

you're lucky to even find those still brand new and at that quantity. brand new ones here in the US are pretty much nonexistence

Tom128

06-30-2011, 11:31 AM

My spare parts computer powering the only 5870 I could find lol => @900Mhz ~400Mhash
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My "more powerful than necessary" HTPC sporting 2xHD5830's => both @900Mhz ~275MHash (I need new BIOS for these, can't find compatible ones)
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My workstation/gaming rig sporting 2xHD5850's => Both @900Mhz ~360Mhash
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Olly_K

07-01-2011, 12:00 PM

built a rig just for mining :

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/6.jpg

Tom128

07-02-2011, 01:51 PM

built a rig just for mining :

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/6.jpg

Oh boy that may be a hard configuration to get working. I know my two slot systems have big cooling problems with 80% fan speeds, 3 may be hard to pull off. I recommend a box fan for a side panel!

shoota

07-02-2011, 01:59 PM

Yeah I'm gonna have to second that. I only got a three gpu setup to work because my awesome old school dfi board has the three slots spread apart more than normal. I love it ;)

ggdh

07-02-2011, 03:47 PM

Then get x1 -> x16 adapter and you're set :D This is my plan: I will run normal 2x5870 and 2x5830 on extenders. Cooling - shouldn't be a problem. Power efficiency improved as only 1 system will be running. 2 PSUs (680+700W) will suffice.

Olly_K

07-03-2011, 12:58 AM

i've got 2 fans blowing into the side on the cards, but with the 3 cards in there it does get warm !!!

I have removed the middle card and will probably put it in another PC somewhere :)

Olly_K

07-03-2011, 08:21 AM

pic:
http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/8.jpg

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/9.jpg

Qu4k3r

07-06-2011, 07:46 AM

pc1: 2 hd5830's (default clocks) = 250 MH/s + 247 MH/s = 497 MH/s

pc2: gtx570+gtx460 (default clocks) = 117 MH/s + 47 MH/s = 164 MH/s
:eek: mining with nvidia? :yepp: sure! and that 570 solved a block while mining solo mode in less than 10 minutes (lucky shot) :clap: so they can rest from mining now

I also have a hd5670 runnning in a friend's pc which adds 81 MH/s.

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Olly_K

07-06-2011, 08:35 AM

Updated with new motherboard with better spacing for the cards:

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/10.jpg

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/11.jpg

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/12.jpg

http://www.ollyk.com/MinerPC/13.jpg

Still waiting on DVI dummy hence the crossfire bridges. I tried to make some but didnt work :(

Cooling is a lot better now :)

ggdh

07-06-2011, 09:04 AM

I've read that with Catalyst 11.7 dummy plugs are not necessary (anyone can confirm it?)...

I still have 1.5 weeks left in Ireland. After that I will go back home with cheaper electricity (~€0.17) and will think about dedicated miner (only if until then current cards will pay off and it seems they will). But i will go with cheap-o MB and x1 extenders :D

Tom128

07-06-2011, 10:07 AM

Olly I do believe that is the tallest case I have ever seen. You could nearly fit two mobo's in there I bet!

Olly_K

07-06-2011, 10:10 AM

lol thanks...it even dwarfs XL-ATX mobos....only way to fill it is with an SR-2 :)

NKrader

07-06-2011, 11:42 AM

my tower 26 does that aswell.. lol.

Olly_K

07-07-2011, 11:02 AM

I've read that with Catalyst 11.7 dummy plugs are not necessary (anyone can confirm it?)...

Confirmed buddy...I've just ripped the CF bridges out and guiminer sees all 3 cards :)

ggdh

07-07-2011, 02:09 PM

Dang. And I got today parcel with 75ohm resistors :shakes:

acebmxer

07-08-2011, 08:47 PM

INFRNL

07-08-2011, 10:55 PM

I just ordered a 5830 to add to my farm. I thought I would ask you guys opinion on how I should add this in. I have 1 system with a 6950 and a 2nd system with a 5850.

I would like to add the 5830 to the 2nd system with the 5850. Do I have to crossfire them? How do I setup GUIminer; do I create a separate worker for each gpu? Do I run a separate miner for each gpu?

I use BTguild; so you would have to create a new worker; then create new miner on guiminer for ea card. you do not have to run in x-fire and I thought x-fire hurt production, but I may be mistaken:shrug:

it should be that simple. I also do not think it matter what system you put it on; it should run fine either way

acebmxer

07-09-2011, 05:45 AM

I use BTguild; so you would have to create a new worker; then create new miner on guiminer for ea card. you do not have to run in x-fire and I thought x-fire hurt production, but I may be mistaken:shrug:

it should be that simple. I also do not think it matter what system you put it on; it should run fine either way

Thx for the info. I thought it should be that simple. Just got to wait for the card and a pcie ribbon extender to show up then I will be in business.

Tom128

07-09-2011, 10:14 AM

you do not have to run in x-fire and I thought x-fire hurt production, but I may be mistaken:shrug:

I ran X-Fire at first until I found an extra plug, there is definitely a penalty for it. Nothing massive like 50% or anything, but probably 5-10% or so.

INFRNL

07-09-2011, 11:54 PM

I ran X-Fire at first until I found an extra plug, there is definitely a penalty for it. Nothing massive like 50% or anything, but probably 5-10% or so.
Thanks for clarifying that for us:up:

[XC] hipno650

07-11-2011, 08:06 AM

I ran X-Fire at first until I found an extra plug, there is definitely a penalty for it. Nothing massive like 50% or anything, but probably 5-10% or so.

hmm that's interesting you bring that up. I was running a pair of 5870's in two separate rigs for a while. i have recently dropped them in the same system under crossfire with out any dummy plugs and the like and there is absolutely zero difference. if anything each card get an extra 1-2mhash under CFX. I guess it really depends on the system.

Olly_K

07-11-2011, 08:07 AM

+1 on this....I didn't notice any increase (or decrease) from x-firing the cards to running them separately.

Tom128

07-11-2011, 08:22 AM

hipno650;4902335']hmm that's interesting you bring that up. I was running a pair of 5870's in two separate rigs for a while. i have recently dropped them in the same system under crossfire with out any dummy plugs and the like and there is absolutely zero difference. if anything each card get an extra 1-2mhash under CFX. I guess it really depends on the system.

Well then as a bit of extra info, it was on two 5850's in a 790X (not FX) mobo, Gigabyte GA-MA790-XT-UD4P in Win7 64. There was a good 20MHash/sec penalty compared to turning if off for me at least.

[XC] hipno650

07-12-2011, 09:03 AM

Well then as a bit of extra info, it was on two 5850's in a 790X (not FX) mobo, Gigabyte GA-MA790-XT-UD4P in Win7 64. There was a good 20MHash/sec penalty compared to turning if off for me at least.

hmm pretty strange but as long as you can get full output one way or another haha. My 5870's are in a P55 1156 ATM. maybe it's a chipset thing? hard to say i guess.

Olly_K

07-12-2011, 10:12 AM

I can probably shed some light here. I built a second rig today with 2 5850s and there did seem to be a big drop in hashes in X-fire mode. Running the separately they're now about 300m/h each

[XC] hipno650

07-13-2011, 06:50 AM

hmmm. what is the CPU load scenario for you guys seeing a drop in mhash when using CFX? I know that if I fully load my CPU it makes a huge difference on my output but if it leave even one core/thread open normally it is fine.

Tom128

07-14-2011, 06:16 AM

hipno650;4903724']hmmm. what is the CPU load scenario for you guys seeing a drop in mhash when using CFX? I know that if I fully load my CPU it makes a huge difference on my output but if it leave even one core/thread open normally it is fine.

On my PhII 1090T. I set the two processes to core 5 always, so it was the same CPU situation both XFired and not. The other 5 cores were not being used when I was testing.

ggdh

07-26-2011, 06:31 AM

This is my 1350Mh/s @ 760W:

Asus 5870 @ 966MHz
MSI 5870 Lightning @ 975MHz
2x Sapphire 5830 @ 925MHz
2600K @ 2.4Ghz, ht off
OCZ Reaper 1800@1066

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Andrea deluxe

07-26-2011, 10:42 AM

wowwwww

super ghetto style...

Vinas

07-26-2011, 11:26 AM

Running two 5870's @ 1025/1200 and a stock 6870. Output is about 1200Mh/s on average and 1475Mh/s peak. 5870's are wc with cf enabled.

Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using Tapatalk

nxcess

07-26-2011, 04:05 PM

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Let me redeem the Cosmos 1000 case. 2x 5850 @ 400 mhash/s each and 1x 5770 @ 200 mhash with a total system draw of 570 watt.

Duniek

07-27-2011, 03:24 PM

http://www.abload.de/img/all1ocsx.jpg

Alpha

07-27-2011, 03:54 PM

wowza...

my power draw from the wall.

NKrader

07-27-2011, 03:56 PM

http://www.abload.de/img/all1ocsx.jpg

holly ballsacks dunek. i thought you were dead.. havnt seen you around in a while.

hopefully you have a flux capasitor to power the 1.21 jiggawatts needed for those cards.

Duniek

07-27-2011, 09:42 PM

I cant find pics of my farm (too busy already to making new ones)
Electrical installation on flat has 20A cut off - voltage is 220-225V so I can load about 4,5kW max - so not all cards from this pic working ;)

Only 5xpc for now

5x s140
4x 790fx-gd70 + 1x k9a2 platinium
5x 1kW ocz psu
12x 5870
2x 5850
6x 5830

all working on about 50 days

POWER BILL CALCULATION:
4122kWh total @ 50 days
3,48kWh avg per day
1kWh cost 0,56PLN (0,2$) total = ~825$ :ROTF:

ggdh

07-27-2011, 10:55 PM

Nice...

Why is that you have 0.56PLN/kWh if 170km from Krakow I have 0.66PLN...

Duniek

07-27-2011, 11:13 PM

dunno, for example my friend live 200meters (METERS!) from me and he is paying 0,62 :p:

V2-V3

07-31-2011, 01:16 AM

Some of my Mining rigs parked at BitClockers (http://bitclockers.com) Mining Pool

Mostly consist of 3 and 4 card rigs with 1200W PSU's
Majority of GPU's are 5870's, I do have some 5970's 5850's 5830's and NVIDIA cards mining

Im paying $0.063per kWh my power bill is around $700 a month with a peak of 15 GHash
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Duniek

08-01-2011, 01:59 AM

who heard about polish exchange market fail ?

I lost 120BTC on it
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa two months of bitcoin miner working for nothing and i have bill for pay

slaveondope

08-01-2011, 02:18 AM

who heard about polish exchange market fail ?

I lost 120BTC on it
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa two months of bitcoin miner working for nothing and i have bill for pay

This? http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2828445 Have not run across it this mourning you're the first I've heard mention of it. You kept all your btc on the exchanges site I take it?
That really stinks Duniek.

ggdh

08-01-2011, 02:32 AM

I've registered on 25th and was going to sell ~30BTC.

Sorry to hear that Duniek, 120BTC is not a joke:shakes:

I was following forum thread at bitcoin.pl until people started threatening site owner. As far I understood he had no external backups and Amazon (where bitomat.pl was located) overwritten the database after a crash.

Duniek

08-05-2011, 01:42 AM

yes
I kept all on exchange, but WHO can imagine that situation with - NO COPY/BACKUP of wallet dat with 17000BTC - WTF!!!

Hopefully some guys make some offers about to buy these virtual btc for about 60-80% value

So maybe I will sell them. I will lost 20-40% but this is risk and always better than nothing.