Swiftech Is Going To Release 140mm Rads! [Archive]

Martinm210

03-05-2011, 07:37 AM

I'm more interested in the MCR XP (extreme performance)

http://www.swiftech.com/mcr-x20.aspx

+1
Can't wait to see what they have in store there. If the slim thickness QP model pretty much keep up with the double thickness competition, then these should be interesting..:yepp:

kinghong1970

03-05-2011, 08:26 AM

i wonder how thick will their 140's be... i'd love to see a 140's that's same thickness as their current ones with the same "best bang for the buck" concept...

ScottALot

03-05-2011, 08:31 AM

Swiftech makes some good rads for low RPM fans, 140mm radiators are usually made for quieter fans... fantastic combination, I want in!

Boogerlad

03-05-2011, 08:55 AM

I just hope they reduce the restriction by making the endtanks a bit bigger.

pluck

03-05-2011, 09:49 AM

+1
Can't wait to see what they have in store there. If the slim thickness QP model pretty much keep up with the double thickness competition, then these should be interesting..:yepp:

Theoretically the only advantage increasing thickness should give is reduced pressure drop, so I wouldn't actually expect much of a performance increase over a standard MCR (a couple of % max) unless they integrate a shroud into the design.

antiacid

03-05-2011, 09:51 AM

I just hope they reduce the restriction by making the endtanks a bit bigger.

If that's your only concern, I'd say they've hit the mark pretty good on their products ;)

Martinm210

03-05-2011, 10:42 AM

Theoretically the only advantage increasing thickness should give is reduced pressure drop, so I wouldn't actually expect much of a performance increase over a standard MCR (a couple of % max) unless they integrate a shroud into the design.

I'm with you...:up: I'm not sure XP even means double thickness or something else...just speculating. Now that they are moving onto 140mm rads, maybe the 120XP means 140mm rad width shrouded and to length for 120mm fans, or maybe that AND double thickness...:shrug: I'm sure it'll be an improvement over the QP line which is already an excellent rad and performer.

Aaronharmon

03-05-2011, 11:38 AM

You know, Gabe could just weigh in on this and put all the speculation to rest. Just sayin : )

Church

03-05-2011, 11:52 AM

I doubt he's very happy with news leaking that soon (i'm partially to blame with it, as i posted about noticing these 140mm rads when quickly browsed through new site he worked on mentioned in one other thread). I hope he won't get any punishment for that by higher-ups.

SpuTnicK

03-05-2011, 12:15 PM

Or maybe he wants to know our opinion on upcoming rad, ideas, design, features.... and stick to WC community desires :)

iddqd

03-05-2011, 12:49 PM

If only Nidec Servo got off their ass and made a 140mm version of Gente Typhoon instead of crazy high RPM version...

ScottALot

03-05-2011, 01:16 PM

If only Nidec Servo got off their ass and made a 140mm version of Gente Typhoon instead of crazy high RPM version...

Yeah, they could've released different color versions before making loud-as-a-room-full-of-server-loud versions, too. But no, black should mean crazy loud instead :shrug:.

Martinm210

03-05-2011, 05:01 PM

Another XP possibility could just be the same QP core, but higher density fins for more high speed optimization..:shrug:

Aaronharmon

03-05-2011, 09:24 PM

the finisher

03-05-2011, 10:16 PM

If only Nidec Servo got off their ass and made a 140mm version of Gente Typhoon instead of crazy high RPM version...

Thing is 99% of their business is sever/enterprise. Not much call for 140mm fans in that market. The 120 GT's are adapted from their enterprise products by Scythe for retail.
Unless they know they will sell minimum 100,000 140mm fans, it's not going to happen.
Sanyo Denki has several 140mm models, but the fans do not exist until a minimum order of 24 is received, then they make the fans to order. Takes over 3 months, & ass load of cash up front to get them.

Sad but true, just not a big enough market for Nidec to do it.:(

This is no excuse for the missing 2150rpm GT 120mm though.:shakes:

bmaverick

03-06-2011, 09:11 PM

I once had two 140mm fans pulled from Thermaltake PSUs. They blow some great air. To bad I can't find them sold without the PSU. Does anyone know who makes them for TT? These would work well with a 140 RAD or dual 140 size RAD being 280.

iddqd

03-07-2011, 12:49 AM

Thing is 99% of their business is sever/enterprise. Not much call for 140mm fans in that market. The 120 GT's are adapted from their enterprise products by Scythe for retail.
Unless they know they will sell minimum 100,000 140mm fans, it's not going to happen.

Oh? It seems they just manufacture fans anywhere from 40mm-172mm (http://catalog.nidec-servo.com/digital/english/general/g_fab/), in addition to their good selection of blowers and an excellent range of DC motors and drivers.

Notably absent from their lineup are, however, 140mm fans.

Waterlogged

03-07-2011, 11:11 AM

Oh? It seems they just manufacture fans anywhere from 40mm-172mm (http://catalog.nidec-servo.com/digital/english/general/g_fab/), in addition to their good selection of blowers and an excellent range of DC motors and drivers.

Notably absent from their lineup are, however, 140mm fans.

...because it's like what the finisher said, there isn't much call for 140mm fans in the server industry side of computers. Why waste development/tooling dollars on a fan that doesn't fit your clients needs? Let's not also forget that (for some reason), the fan manu's are rather slow to adopt sizes (however popular with the enthusiast). I started building my own computers in '99 and most cases still had 80mm holes in them. If you wanted to use a 120mm, you had a very limited selection (which weren't that good but, still better than a 80mm for noise) and you had to make your own hole for it. It took a long time for 120mm fans to get "decent" and they are still improving them to this day.

iddqd

03-07-2011, 11:15 AM

So you're saying there's a big demand for 40x40x13mm fans in the server market?

Church

03-07-2011, 11:24 AM

iddqd: for 1U servers, why not? Especially when acceptable noise levels in server markets are much much higher then for consumerish PC residing in bedroom :)

IanM

03-07-2011, 11:24 AM

So you're saying there's a big demand for 40x40x13mm fans in the server market?1U rack mounts? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_unit

Waterlogged

03-07-2011, 11:35 AM

So you're saying there's a big demand for 40x40x13mm fans in the server market?

Like churchy and IanM have stated 1U...in particular their PSU's use anything from 10mm to 20mm thick 40mm fans. There are also redundant PSU's for U2 and up that utilize 40mm fans in them.

phantomferrari

05-28-2011, 01:31 PM

so... any news on a possible release date for the 140mm rads?

TJ TRICHEESE

05-28-2011, 02:26 PM

I have a 1u server and it has 40x40xsomething huge fans

Waterlogged

06-08-2011, 10:11 AM

Gabe, is there any kind of an ETA on the 140mm rads?

gabe

06-11-2011, 02:18 PM

The XS series (high FPI 120's) is coming out first. I am taking my sweet time with the 140's.

trn

06-11-2011, 04:01 PM

Hopefully this will help drive 140mm fan production a bit. I've been a 140mm adopter for awhile but the fan selection sucks. I generally end up with YL fans which are good enough for the price which isn't saying much considering the price ;)

Waterlogged

06-12-2011, 04:57 PM

The XS series (high FPI 120's) is coming out first. I am taking my sweet time with the 140's.

Gabe, your killin me here. Was really hoping to be able to work it into my super packed mini-ITX build but sounds like it'll be done before before these come out. *sad*

Hopefully this will help drive 140mm fan production a bit. I've been a 140mm adopter for awhile but the fan selection sucks. I generally end up with YL fans which are good enough for the price which isn't saying much considering the price ;)

Not gonna happen. Fans are mostly driven by the server market. If they have no use for them, they won't have the fan companies develop them and the fan companies aren't going to dump the massive amount of money into research into a new form factor/design unless there is a guaranteed massive return on that investment.

crash5s

06-12-2011, 05:58 PM

He I work in IT, most data centers require ear plugs, noise goes out the window. Hell a high end cisco router will sound like a dustbuster. Our data center takes up an entire floor and it's enter with plugs in for the most part. You don't have to, but it will mess you up. I dunno about others experience, but I've worked for the Navy, contractor, State, banks, all that crap is 1u 2u at most, large just isn't always practical. To give you an idea, take a delta fan (lol) now cram 5 of them in one box, now fill a rack with those 1us, now fill an entire :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing floor with that :banana::banana::banana::banana:.

That's about how it gets.

116183

See the funny

Don't even get me started on rack mounts

subtec

06-12-2011, 06:37 PM

Not gonna happen. Fans are mostly driven by the server market. If they have no use for them, they won't have the fan companies develop them and the fan companies aren't going to dump the massive amount of money into research into a new form factor/design unless there is a guaranteed massive return on that investment.

I don't know if I buy this explanation. There are plenty of fans, 140mm and otherwise, that obviously have nothing to do with the server market. Look at Noctua (http://noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=33&lng=en), Be Quiet (http://www.be-quiet.net/be-quiet.net/index.php?StoryID=30&ProductID=52&websiteLang=en), or Thermalright (http://www.thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=16&id=97) and tell me those fans - with their notched blades and colorful, vibration dampened frames - were developed as server fans, a market for which noise and aesthetics are completely superfluous. Clearly, some of these companies have the resources and the incentive to develop fans for the consumer market.

Waterlogged

06-12-2011, 07:04 PM

I don't know if I buy this explanation. There are plenty of fans, 140mm and otherwise, that obviously have nothing to do with the server market. Look at Noctua (http://noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=33&lng=en), Be Quiet (http://www.be-quiet.net/be-quiet.net/index.php?StoryID=30&ProductID=52&websiteLang=en), or Thermalright (http://www.thermalright.com/products/index.php?act=data&cat_id=16&id=97) and tell me those fans - with their notched blades and colorful, vibration dampened frames - were developed as server fans, a market for which noise and aesthetics are completely superfluous. Clearly, some of these companies have the resources and the incentive to develop fans for the consumer market.

Then please explain why Nidec Servo refuses to even look at making GT's in a 140mm frame unless they can guarantee a minimum order of 100K units? Those companies may have 140mm fans and they've been shown to perform worse than a 120mm GT because they didn't put anywhere near the money a company like Nidec Servo can into proper development. Even a company like Yate Loon appears to just have "scaled up" their current design for 140mm and has a limited number of models.

subtec

06-12-2011, 07:31 PM

Then please explain why Nidec Servo refuses to even look at making GT's in a 140mm frame unless they can guarantee a minimum order of 100K units?

Because that's Nidec and their interest lies primarily in the server market?

Those companies may have 140mm fans and they've been shown to perform worse than a 120mm GT because they didn't put anywhere near the money a company like Nidec Servo can into proper development.

But the original question wasn't about performance, was it? It was just about companies being willing to develop fans for the consumer market. In any case, it looks like Noctua, at least, is putting some serious effort (http://vr-zone.com/articles/noctua-shows-off-high-end-cooling-prototypes--computex-taipei-2011-nangang-exhibition-hall/12474.html) into designing fans with superior performance characteristics for the enthusiast market. The proof is in the pudding, of course, and time will tell if all that marketing techno-speak is just for show or if we'll see some genuinely innovative high-performance products out of it.

n00b 0f l337

06-12-2011, 07:43 PM

It's not just computer usage, nor is it just server.
They're are lots of "muffin" fans required in electronic equipment and manufacturing. The point that an order for 100K is needed is valid though.

Will wait on you Gabe for my next upgrade.

Church

06-13-2011, 01:45 AM

Nidec primary interest is to make products that their customers (big volume resellers or miscellaneous hardware vendors including server market, customer market and others) buy. There is big enough market for 120mm GTs, so Nidec made them, Scythe bought & resold them (and btw, imho LC use makes only small share from all GT usage). 140mm fan market is way narrower niche then 120mm fans one, thus it's way harder to order 100K fans monthly to make it worthy invest in retooling and such. I'm guessing that for each 140mm fan sold there are at least ten 120mm ones.
So it would be nice to have 140mm GTs .. but probably we won't see them in nearest few years until 140mm fans become at least 1:3 as common as 120mm ones are.

Church

06-29-2011, 09:52 PM

Didn't want to create new thread because prefering for vendors rep to create new product threads with relevant info in OP, but as swiftech xtreme rad series got mentioned in this thread as well few times, decided to post here news about their release:

"The XP series differentiate themselves from the QP series by a higher fin count, translating into higher performance with medium speed fans, at moderate noise levels." (http://www.swiftech.com/MCRX20-XP-RADIATOR-SERIES-1.aspx)
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The MCRx20-XP (eXtreme Performance) series radiators are high-performance liquid-to-air heat exchangers optimized for use with medium speed 120mm fans and specifically engineered in a slim for factor for high-end liquid cooled Personal Computers.

The XP series derive from the Quiet Power™ technology (QP series) first introduced in 2005 and both series share the exact same dimensions. They differentiate themselves by a higher fin-per-inch (FPI) count where the QP series feature a 12 FPI specification versus 20 FPI for the new XP series. A higher FPI count means that the XP series are more efficient at dissipating heat in the higher RPM fan ranges (from 1200 and above). When large heat loads are involved for example a CPU and GPU(s) in the loop, this may translate into several degrees improvement in coolant temperature.

We recommend selecting a radiator in the XP series for applications where fans will run from 1200 RPM and above, and selecting among the QP series where fans will run from 1200 RPM and below.

phantomferrari

06-29-2011, 10:37 PM

cant wait to see these on skinnees, vapors, or martins bench. speaking of skinnee where is he? havent seen his presence on the forum at all for quite some time

phantomferrari

12-27-2011, 07:45 PM

so gabe, any chance we could get a little more info when you think the swiftech 140mm rads will come out? :D

ino

12-28-2011, 11:38 AM

40mm fans are actually the most common fan size found in servers because it matches up exactly with 1U height. And yes, no one cares about noise but rather about airflow and longevity so you get monstrosities like 40mm x 13mm fans.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3215/2732178424_390b1a931a_z.jpg