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Martinm210
02-19-2011, 12:48 PM
Swiftech MCP-35X & Reservoir Combo Rev2 Review

INTRODUCTION

Welcome to my Swiftech MCP-35X (http://www.swiftnets.com/products/mcp35X.asp) review, the latest in the extremely popular Laing DDC pumps. This latest incarnation just got smarter with PWM technology and has several factory high performance features included within. I want to give a special thanks to Gabe from Swiftech (http://www.swiftech.com/) for sponsoring this pump.:clap:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7578/35xintro.jpg

If you have been watercooling for long, you'll likely recognize this family of pumps that have many names and variations over the course of years in refinement. The Laing DDC series has been through various revisions from the DDC 1, DDC 2, and over the last view years the DDC 3.1 and DDC 3.2 being offered in two power flavors. The current common models would be the DDC 3.15(MCP 350) and DDC 3.25(MCP 355 or PMP400). They are exceptional and popular pumps because they are tuned for high pressure applications and carry a wallop of power in such as small package.

A common "Missing Refinement" of the "non 35X" pumps is that they typically come with a factory top that uses plastic 3/8" barbs. The factory top typically comes with a sharp elbow at the pump inlet (which is poor in efficiency). Sooo..most water cooling enthusiasts have had a desire to use their own fittings which requires replacing the factory top with something after market. This provides users with standard G1/4 threading, improved looks, and higher performance. Unfortunately, removal of the factory top typically means you also forfeit the warranty.

WARRANTY

It is very clear that switching out the stock pump top to an aftermarket top increases pumping power, but what many fail to recognize is it also increases current draw and pump heat. This in itself puts more stress on the pump motor and causes more heat buildup. Sort of like putting a turbo on your factory high performance car or truck, you exceed specifications and increase wear and tear. I also believe a large portion of pump failures are due to leaks by incorrect top installation. I myself have managed to flood out two different DDC pumps by incorrectly tightening the tops on (it happens). The way the pump motor sits on top of and inside the exterior shell, if the o-ring leaks, water will work it's way down into the PCB area first. Leaking water will eventually fill up the bottom case and start spilling out of the holes in the bottom, but many times not until the PCB is completely under water. Anyhow, we're only human and we will and do mess up. The manufacturers know this and you forgo your warranty privileges once the factory top is removed. I believe some of the newer packages will even start coming with a warranty void if removed type sticker, but my particular sample did not.

A FACTORY HIGH PERFORMANCE G1/4 THREADED TOP

That's where things start looking really good for this new 35X pump. It comes factory with a quality pump top that is already installed and ready to go. No need to remove the stock top and void any warranty, just plug it in, screw on your desired barbs and go. You get factory and warranty protected high performance right out of the box.:up:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1058/35xperformancetop.jpg

The top contains several new and/or improved features that are worthy of design/efficiency note. Of most importance is the spiral shaped volute. Not the best picture here, but the radius and space between the impeller and wall is continuously increasing. In addition the wall was cut with a radius bit which should help further reduce friction at this critical location. The top is also similar to the stock top in that there are centering feet to ensure proper inlet centering on the impeller. In addition the outlet port was specifically oriented in line or in plane with the impeller for a perfectly tangential alignment with the impeller (most of the current tops have a slight bend). This help keep the impeller running flat. And the best I've seen in matching the spiral volute to the exit port, the drilled hole lines up perfectly with the radius milled volute.

But the features and details of the volute are very clear that high performance was at the top of the priority list. I'll include more on performance later..

PWM

This is the first I have seen of PWM pump control in the history of watercooling which offers you the ability to control pump speed either manually or automatically via MB core temperature. Prior to this pump, variable speed control was reserved to either voltage regulation, or buying the D5 vario (MCP655). Now you have that option here too. Furthermore, PWM offers a broader range of speed control AND more importantly and safe minimum and maximum speed. With voltage control, you have a fairly narrow and unforgiving window. Under about 7V OR over 13V and the pump will NOT start. If you hook any ordinary pump to a fan controller only to have accidentally bumped a control knob, that could leave you with a pumps sitting there and zero flow. It wont take long for the water in the CPU block to start boiling which eventually will lead to deforming and bursting of tubing nearby (I've almost done this myself).

Well, no worries using PWM control, if connected to a molex and you set the PWM via MB controls, the pump will always start no matter what the PWM setting. Even disconnecting the PWM signal wire, the pump will simply default to 100% pumping power. PWM control means several things:

Wide RPM speed control (DDC Vario)
Safe Speed Control (Pump will always start)
More Low RPM range than Voltage Control
Ability to scale pump speed with CPU temperature (On Demand)
No extra controller necessary, typically possible via MB and MB related software (Free smart controls)


For PWM control, you will ideally have controls on your motherboard, but the level of control will depend on software and the motherboard used. For example, my older DFI board from a few years back can only set one temperature point on the CPU fan, and the motherboard ramp up down is fixed. However on my son's newer Gigabyte MB and using EasyTune 6, I had full control over PWM from 10% up to 90% in 1% increments. This is what I used to run my tests as it turns out measuring duty cycle at higher frequencies is reserved for those who own a scope. My multimeter in Duty mode is simply incapable of measuring. With that said, I must put a large grain of salt on my PWM factor and suspect it may be off by as much as 10%. The performance PQ results are good, but the PWM Duty may be off a bit due to only having the MB software to go by.

Here are my PWM vs RPM scaling results. I increased PWM value from 10% to 60% in 10% increments and pulled RPM maximum values from those test to plot out the following chart.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1052/35xpwmvsrpm.png

And here you can see the PWM wires and PCB. At the surface level the PCB looks identical to that of the DDC3.25, but what hides within is a very different motor. Don't assume you can simply solder in a green wire on a DDC3.25 and create a 35X motor, it doesn't work.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6533/35xinternal.jpg
MCP35X PUMP ONLY PACKAGING AND ACCESSORIES

It comes as no surprise to me when I opened the boxes that it was yet again a very complete accessory package, Swiftech is always very generous in the accessories. The package comes with:


35X Pump Motor/35X Performance Top Assembled
Swiftech 1/2" Highflow Barbs
Swiftech Clamps
Vibration (Noise Reduction)Neoprene Double Sided Sticky Pad
Corse threaded screws for solid mounting
3 Page User Manual


The user manual is very well written and complete, it should be easy to follow for most users.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8206/35xpackage.jpg

Overall an excellent and complete pump package with accessories above and beyond the factory package. It really is everything you need plus some..:up:

ADD ON MCP35X-RES PUMP RESERVOIR V2

To compliment the pump, there is an accessory option you can buy in the form of a combo reservoir unit that mounts directly to the pump top. In general I have found that combining a pump + reservoir is a good thing for pump performance as you generally eliminate extra connections plus tubing that creates additional restriction. The reservoir installation was a little different in that you have to install a little orientation pin that fixes the barb orientation relative to the base. Then you have to carefully place a sealing o-ring in place on the top. Next you set the reservoir on the o-ring and on the pin, and finally you get to use a long large flathead screwdriver to tighten the retention base fitting. I did this several times and each time went without a hitch although it was a little bit interesting.

After that is done you install a wire mesh and sponge over the inlet port on bottom. I presume the wire mesh is there to prevent any sponge or other material from accidentally getting into the impeller blades. The combo unit looks like this which is a nice compact unit only measuring roughly 5.5" tall.:up:

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5899/35xreservoirpackage.jpg

All fitted and ready for action!

Although I should note that I was not able to fit a 3/4"OD compression barb in the upper side inlet hole (http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/6650/35xbarbconflict.jpg). The flat spot molded into the side was about 1mm too low and impacted the barb edge. I believe this was just a fluke in my particular sample, the holes were just drilled/tapped slightly too high. This could be fixed easy enough with a little dremel work, but I don't have plans to use compression fittings so I didn't bother.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8990/35xpumpresinstalled.jpg

The sponge systems allows you to utilize the side ports for one or two inlets. Depending on how you setup the system. I tested the sponge system with the lower inlet port.

But as a side experiment, I also tried creating my own top inlet/downtube setup which actually worked better both for bleeding and for performance. I simply screwed in another barb in the bottom of the top cover and cut off about a 3" piece of tubing and tried to center the bottom part of the tube to line up with the pump inlet. Ideally you could also use some clear 1/2" acrylic tube or something a bit more rigid/straight.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/10/35xdownspout.jpg

The system is very modular for inlet options.:up:

PERFORMANCE DETAIL PUMP ONLY

In case you wanted the fine print details, here are the charts for pump only (no reservoir) for 10% through 60% in 10% increments as well as 100%. I'll thumb these out below. This actually took a fair amount of time, but considering I've never tested anything with PWM control, I wanted to get some experience with it and did full 10% incremental tests.
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9957/35xpwm10.th.png (http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9957/35xpwm10.png)http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8650/35xpwm20.th.png (http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8650/35xpwm20.png)http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2203/35xpwm30.th.png (http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2203/35xpwm30.png)http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2857/35xpwm40.th.png (http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2857/35xpwm40.png)http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7108/35xpwm50.th.png (http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7108/35xpwm50.png)http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4778/35xpwm60.th.png (http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4778/35xpwm60.png)http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1993/35xpwm100.th.png (http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1993/35xpwm100.png)

And the summary Chart of those results:
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1503/35xpwmpqsummary.png

Generally I think 30% is about the minimum you would want to go with even a low restriction loop (1GPM or better), and the majority of the speed change occurs between 10% and 50-60%. My 60% and 100% run came out about the same which is probably due to my PWM software and/or motherboard not being very precise. The PWM frequency is too high to allow multimeter measurement of duty cycle, so I could only go by what Easy Tune told me which appears to be approximate at best.

One thing to note about the summary chart, I also included approximate voltages that equaled the same RPM, but since the pump startup minimum is around 7V, I was not able to duplicate the lower PWM speeds.

PWM provides more low speed options than analog voltage control. :up:

TOP DDC PERFORMANCE COMPARISON

If you sit down and think about the likely purchase scenario's for a DDC pump/top combo, it might look something like this:

Option A would be the Swiftech MCP35X with factory performance top.

Option B would be some version of the DDC3.25 such as the MCP355 or PMP-400 and you would add a performance aftermarket top of your choosing.

To compare these two options I selected the XSPC top as it was my top performing standalone top from my pump top shootout some time ago. I compared it directly on the same motor as the MCP35X and it performed equally as well. So the following comparison is more about pump motors than it is tops:

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2484/35xvs325xspc1.png

The 35X option has a decent performance advantage, moreso than most top differences. A low restriction loop may see about .2GPM or 10% improvement to flow rate over the DDC3.25+top alternative, and ultra high restriction loop will be approximately the same. An average system would see about 5% more flow rate.

So if the tops perform about the same, why does the 35X perform better you might ask?

The answer is RPM limiter programming, which is fairly obvious in the following chart:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6623/35xvs325xspc2.png

The RPM limiter programming in the DDC3.25 is much more aggressive leaving the DDC35X to have a simple RPM advantage particularly with lower restriction scenarios. Note that this does come at some expense in power consumption though and possibly some increase in pump heat.

Regardless, the performance is simply hard to touch with that RPM advantage and as far as I know, the only way to get the 35X pump motor is to buy a 35X pump. And considering you get everything in one package with a backing 24 month warranty, that's a good thing!:up:

RESERVOIR PERFORMANCE AND BLEEDING

Along with any reservoir, you'll want to know at least something about it's ability to bleed air out of a system and how the performance of that reservoir compares to the stock top.

I tested the factory screen/sponge system with side inlet, pump alone, pump plus separated reservoir, and top downtube alternative.

Regarding bleeding performance, the sponge system worked ok for flow rates below 1.5GPM, but above 1.5GPM the inlet flow disturbance was enough that the surface water was fairly disturbed and I was getting air sucking back down the pump at the 2+GPM mark. This could be mitigated by simply turning the pump down a bit, but it should be noted.

With the sponge not working as well as I hoped, I set out to look at the alternatives. I found that the reservoir works perfectly using a top down inlet plus down tube configuration. This is extremely easy to build, all you need is an extra barb and about 3" of tubing. Even better would be some sort of clear rigid tube, you just need something to protrude down through the surface of the water in the reservoir and point at the pump inlet. I tested with a piece of 1/2" x 3/4" tubing as I assumed that would be readily available by most users.

Here are the performance test results comparing the various reservoir alternatives tried:
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5760/35xreservoircomparison.png

While we are splitting hairs a bit here, I did measure a slight performance advantage to using the combined reservoir vs separated reservoir. This makes sense because you have one less fitting plus less tubing loss, etc. I also found the top down inlet tube idea to be superior to the sponge system in performance. But the key benefit to the top down tube is very still surface water clear out to 3GPM and more. It's also more resistant to varied fill height levels.

I would recommend the TOP INLET INTERNAL TUBE ALTERNATIVE, it works the best in my tinkering experience both for bleeding and for performance:up:

PUMP HEAT

For those that haven't used a DDC series pump motor, you should be aware they get hot on their base and the 35X is no different in that regard. I measured up to 55C in a 21C ambient which feels toasty to the touch. Many users of these pump go to an extra level of effort to provide some air flow over the base of the unit to mitigate that heat and while I'm not sure it's necessary, I can't imagine it hurts. I've run serveral DDC pumps, some with air flow, some without and never had any failure type problem. In this case, the pump motor and pump top were designed together and warrantied together, so I wouldn't let heat bother you. Just don't be surprised that they get hot to the touch.


EFFICIENCY
Many people know this, but efficiency is also very important in water cooling. You want the least amount of heat transfered to the water as possible for maximum cooling. Many might think that the pump heat would not matter because it is too small. While it is true that the pump heat numbers are small, it's also true that the gains by flow rate are small. Because both values are small, it doesn't take long for heat dump to counteract the net flow rate gain by more pumping power. While we are splitting hairs, efficiency should not be ignored. For the same flow rates with two different pumps, the pump with the better efficiency will generally dump less heat into the loop and net fractions of a degree better temperatures.

With that said, you should know that the Swiftech MCP-35X pump is very efficient electrically compared to the D5 series pumps. I like both pumps very much, but it should be noted that you'll have a little less heat dumped into the loop using a pump like the MCP-35X.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/255/35xefficiency.jpg


NOISE

I will include this pump in my pump noise thread for further noise analysis, but considering it's a DDC pump with variable speed, it sounds a lot like a DDC pump except it runs a bit higher in speed at max setting and has variable adjustment to get really low speeds as well. This is obviously advantageous to have via PWM control because you could scale RPM and Noise via thermal demand if tuned properly. I will do more of this later in my noise thread.:up:

In the mean time, I've included this video that explores noise somewhat informally using a custom PWM controller. This gives you a sense of the noise scaling that is possible via PWM. In general it sounds like most DDC pumps with tops with the exception that that noise level is controllable. Anywhere from completely silent to your typical DDC at full speed noise level. The key here is the PWM controls give you the option to either manually dial it down, or control it on demand...that's good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUlOw_nqjo

CONCLUSION

I really like the pump/reservoir combo for all out DDC performance in a smart variable and warranty covered package. My only complaint would be the sponge system in the reservoir being difficult to bleed at really high flow rates, but that can be mitigated by either dialing down the PWM setting or using the top inlet with an internal tube.

I look forward to experimenting with this and more "Smart" water cooling products that can scale noise on demand. Swiftech has taken one of the most popular water cooling pumps, added smart PWM speed control features, reprogrammed the RPM scaling for even higher performance, and included a very well designed pump top. All of this comes in a factory warranty package, very nice!

Cheers!:toast2:
Martin

Conumdrum
02-19-2011, 01:02 PM
Thanks Martin! That's the parts I have awaiting my next rebuild. Going from two loops to one with one 35X and res V2. We'll see what happens.

Alexandr0s
02-19-2011, 01:25 PM
thanks for another great test Martin! :D

JoeBar
02-19-2011, 01:46 PM
Very nice review Martin! :clap:

eth0s
02-19-2011, 07:43 PM
Wow, great work again. Excellent analysis. Pictures, graphs, conclusions I can use, I love it, what more can I say?

Martinm210
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
Thanks!

Let me know if you guys want anything more on this. I never consider a review done and would be happy to entertain any details I missed or ideas you'd like to explore. At a minimum I had planned to include some noise analysis, I just want to catch up on the performance testing before moving my setup to the walk in...:)

HanMies
02-20-2011, 01:35 AM
Great work, thanks! Can't wait for the noise comparison, having switched from downvolted MCP350s to 35Xs my gut feeling is that these are quieter.

zalbard
02-20-2011, 02:09 AM
Nice review! Thanks a lot! Can't think of anything else to mention except for the noise... A picture of your test setup, perhaps? :)

wizard1238
02-20-2011, 03:05 AM
mcp35x is a great pump, I also own one:D
quiet and perform better than D5 setting 5:clap:

Alexandr0s
02-20-2011, 03:17 AM
Thanks!

Let me know if you guys want anything more on this. I never consider a review done and would be happy to entertain any details I missed or ideas you'd like to explore. At a minimum I had planned to include some noise analysis, I just want to catch up on the performance testing before moving my setup to the walk in...:)

I'd still love to see some experimental work on double volute chambers, which we talked about a while ago, but maybe that's meant for another test :)

Church
02-20-2011, 07:11 AM
Martin: How about test at which speed (or PWM levels) double pumps have aproximately same head pressure/flow, as single one? It might answer some thinking of getting more silent (and redundant) pump setups without sacrificing performance. I'm guessing, that same test can be done with your Koolance res & dual D5.

Martinm210
02-20-2011, 11:38 AM
Nice review! Thanks a lot! Can't think of anything else to mention except for the noise... A picture of your test setup, perhaps? :)

Thanks!

I didn't do very well with the testing pics this time, but I do have this one when testing the top down tube reservoir. The intent was to show how calm the surface water is at high flow rates. I have some video that I'm processing that should give you at least a rough indication of noise levels. I used my custom build PWM controller and increased/decreased speeds a bit. Nothing very precise, but something.

This is the same rig I've been doing all my recentpump testing on. King 7520 for flow and Dwyer 477-5 for pressure differential. Also a Centech P98674 for voltage at the pump plug, and using my Mastech HY3005D for power and reading amperage. Finally the Mastech MS8209 for measuring speed in Hz.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/2482/35xtopdownpicture.jpg

Martinm210
02-20-2011, 11:40 AM
Martin: How about test at which speed (or PWM levels) double pumps have aproximately same head pressure/flow, as single one? It might answer some thinking of getting more silent (and redundant) pump setups without sacrificing performance. I'm guessing, that same test can be done with your Koolance res & dual D5.

I only have one MCP-35X, so I'll have to use one of the other pairs of pumps.

That should be easy enough to figure out..:up:

Martinm210
02-20-2011, 12:30 PM
FYI,
Added an informal noise/bleeding type video for your viewing/listening pleasure..:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyUlOw_nqjo

voigts
02-20-2011, 01:43 PM
One question about your top inlet approach strikes me. How are you going to be able to get the res full like that? The air will just sit and collect above the bottom of the tube, won't it?

Martinm210
02-20-2011, 02:19 PM
I'd still love to see some experimental work on double volute chambers, which we talked about a while ago, but maybe that's meant for another test :)

I had thought about trying to make one from layers of plexi, but never got around to it. From what I have read, double volute is really advantageous for large pumps in reducing bearing wear. With these small pumps, I have yet to see a bearing fail, so I have my doubts it would be worth it.

The only thing I could think of on the MCP-35X is to maybe sand/polish the volute perimeter and maybe experiment with smaller inlet nozzles. I did try a different inlet barb with a smaller ID and it didn't really change anything measurably.

Bottom line, I think they have pretty well polished these designs now..not much left to gain from the top alone.


One question about your top inlet approach strikes me. How are you going to be able to get the res full like that? The air will just sit and collect above the bottom of the tube, won't it?

You would have fill from the upper most side port. I'll probably just allow the pump to sit freely, then when filling, I'll tip it on it's side to get maximum fill.

OR you could plumb a fill line to the upper side port, fill the filler line, cap it, then tip the case to allow air to escape up the filler line.:up:

Alexandr0s
02-20-2011, 02:46 PM
I had thought about trying to make one from layers of plexi, but never got around to it. From what I have read, double volute is really advantageous for large pumps in reducing bearing wear. With these small pumps, I have yet to see a bearing fail, so I have my doubts it would be worth it.

The only thing I could think of on the MCP-35X is to maybe sand/polish the volute perimeter and maybe experiment with smaller inlet nozzles. I did try a different inlet barb with a smaller ID and it didn't really change anything measurably.

Bottom line, I think they have pretty well polished these designs now..not much left to gain from the top alone.

I have to agree with you. However, I always enjoy comparing optimal solutions to valleys (in the study of AI this is called a local optimum): It's very hard when you're standing in a valley to see the even deeper valley on the other side. Though our solution looks great from our point of view, there's always the possibility of a better solution out there.

Though I agree with the fact that the current designs probably have few optimizations left to be done, I enjoy thought experiments to prevent things from getting stuck in a local optimum.

mlee49
02-22-2011, 03:28 PM
Very nice write up Martin, I like the new graphs. The image's in the graph, even colored the same as the respective lines makes it great.

Cheers!

Martinm210
02-22-2011, 03:51 PM
I have to agree with you. However, I always enjoy comparing optimal solutions to valleys (in the study of AI this is called a local optimum): It's very hard when you're standing in a valley to see the even deeper valley on the other side. Though our solution looks great from our point of view, there's always the possibility of a better solution out there.

Though I agree with the fact that the current designs probably have few optimizations left to be done, I enjoy thought experiments to prevent things from getting stuck in a local optimum.

Absolutely, as with anything in this hobby we are always splitting hairs which could also always be questioned in a practical sense. The joy we should all have is in exploring the science and pushing further regardless. I just wander about with whatever seems to catch my interest these days. A double volute is one of those things never tried in watercooling or at least not mass produced. It would be interesting trying, I just struggle with the tooling involved. I do have a manual mini mill and mini rotary table I could use, but trying to manually dial in a spiral cut is not going to leave me with anything to very smooth is all.

I would actually like to explore the inlet stream effects on the pump inlet. More than a simple inlet opening, I also think there is something to the stream that leaves the inlet opening. I'm thinking garden hose nozzle type effects (Cone) vs solid jet type stuff. It makes me wonder if having a sudden change in inlet opening size will assist with getting the water turning into the impeller vanes, etc. Probably not, but something that always made me wonder. The 35X using a standard 10mm barb inlet ID. I tried a 9mm barb, but couldn't really measure a difference, so perhaps not.

Anyhow, I agree...it just wasn't at the top of my curiosity list. I have always enjoyed hydraulics related stuff though and noise has been at the top of the list. Did some on fans, now playing with pumps, and plan to do some tinkering with fan controllers. That's about the extent of my tentative plans..:D


Very nice write up Martin, I like the new graphs. The image's in the graph, even colored the same as the respective lines makes it great.

Cheers!

Thanks!

I'm always very much a visual guy, can't help myself but to constantly tweak the format. Anything that simplifies a chart is a good thing in my book, and I like pictures....LOTS of them!:D

It's the least I can do for my poor written notes and lack of organization. My style is 90% pictures/charts, 10% notes.

MengNa
02-28-2011, 05:02 PM
Nice review!
I really liked the top res inlet option you used. Maybe something like this (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_346_393_613&products_id=28695) will be a good fit.