Do you think the NF3 250s will OC higher than the 150s?

[afireinside]

Like on average? I wish they would just come out... I want to order now :p: And will they have a PCI lock?

And cna you buy a second CD key for win XP?

[Chr0n1c]

I would assume so, they will def be faster with the 800Mhz HT tho. Sadly we will just ahve to wait and see :mad:

[afireinside]

Waiting sucks :( I heard a week ago a week ago :(

[Chr0n1c]

heh it sure does suck waiting on new info

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by Chr0n1c
I would assume so, they will def be faster with the 800Mhz HT tho. Sadly we will just ahve to wait and see :mad:
1000mhz HT ;)

NF3 150x4 = 600HT
NF3 250x4 = 1000HT

and for the simple fact of definately locked PCI and AGP these boards should overclock better as long as the components are of equal quality.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by afireinside
And cna you buy a second CD key for win XP?
sure. just go buy another copy at your store of choice. :)

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by Maxvla
sure. just go buy another copy at your store of choice. :)

If you have the retail version you can buy up to 4 from Micrsoft. If you have an OEM you are screwed.

[luihed]

I dont think the nf250 will overclcok high than the 150s cos most time than not its the cpu thats hiting its limit and not the motherboard....... it sure will be faster though.....

[afireinside]

Ok someone reccomend me a 66mhz PCI IDE card and I'll order a K8Npro and 3000+ monday :)

I have the XP home upgrade. I lost my CD key and called them and they gave me a new one for 10 bucks. So I can do that again and use XP on my 40 gig drive for benching and not reformat my 80 with all my games?

[Chr0n1c]

Originally posted by Maxvla
1000mhz HT ;)

NF3 150x4 = 600HT
NF3 250x4 = 1000HT

and for the simple fact of definately locked PCI and AGP these boards should overclock better as long as the components are of equal quality.

Thx for the info sir this i was not aware of :D

:confused: guess it was dumb to buy an nf3 now =/ ahh well just buy a 250 later on.

[Soulburner]

It will support a 1000mhz HT bus but it won't work initially on the 800mhz HT CPU's I heard...will just run the normal 800...

Supposedly AMD will be going to 1000mhz?

[Chr0n1c]

prolly with our darn luck the socket 939's? Or maybe the new FX's?

[Soulburner]

Hell it would make sense if they made it an FX only thing, because they are also making the FX's the only chip to continue carrying 1mb cache, as the A64s are all going to have only 512kb I hear.

So:
AFX = DC, Unlocked, 1mb, 1000HT
A64 = SC, Locked, 512kb, 800HT

That would make sense to me, as they need a larger gap between the two, the A64 is way too close as it is.

We'll see what happens.

[Chr0n1c]

I agree very much with this concept lol, we should bing it fourth to AMD :p:

[unrealneo]

Originally posted by Maxvla
1000mhz HT ;)

NF3 150x4 = 600HT
NF3 250x4 = 1000HT

and for the simple fact of definately locked PCI and AGP these boards should overclock better as long as the components are of equal quality.

err, that would mean 250 memory:rolleyes:

150 = 200 x 3 LDT = 600 (1.2GHz Bi-directional)

250 = 200 x 5 LDT = 1GHz (2GHz Bi-directional)

[2fast4u]

Originally posted by Maxvla
1000mhz HT ;)

NF3 150x4 = 600HT
NF3 250x4 = 1000HT



The LDT is calculated by fsb x ldt factor in bios.

i.e., 3x200, which is the limit of the NF3 at this time

[Maxvla]

ok thats just how i kept track of it for myself :D

what is this LDT and how does it work?

i've heard it mentioned several times but haven't looked it up.

[Chr0n1c]

I could use the info as well:(

[Soulburner]

You have an A64 and don't know what LDT is...?

LDT is the multiple of the FSB to get the HT speed...so 4x is the normal spec, 200x4=800mhz HT.

[2fast4u]

Actually the stock setting is 3x as the NF3 is limmited to 600HT. You may get a little more than that but not 800 HT.

[Soulburner]

I didn't say anything about NF3....

The normal spec, spec being short for specified by AMD, is 4x.

[2fast4u]

This whole thread is about the NF3. But you are right, you did not say "NF3".

[Penti]

LDT just stands for Lightning Data Transport. Hypertransport had that name first, so its the same thing and just something that have lived on.

Soulburner

The A64 (Newcastle, same as 3000+ but DC and for S939) will have Dual Channel memory controller too on the Socket 939 plattform. Yes 800HT on it, but its successor will have 1000HT.

[luihed]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Hell it would make sense if they made it an FX only thing, because they are also making the FX's the only chip to continue carrying 1mb cache, as the A64s are all going to have only 512kb I hear.



Where did you hear that?......... AFAIK, the A64 will continue to have both 1mg and 512K cache on the 754 and still single channel......

[Mindfield]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040115152449.html

[Penti]

Originally posted by luihed
Where did you hear that?......... AFAIK, the A64 will continue to have both 1mg and 512K cache on the 754 and still single channel......

He talks about socket 939 read my reply.

On S939 there will be Clawhammer (As current 3200+ and 3400+ A64. Current FX-51 are sledgehammer) with 1MB cache and Newcastle with 512kB cache. Both DC.
On socket 754 we probably wont see more x86-64 cpus then 3700+/3400+ clawhammer/newcastle.

[Maxvla]

Originally posted by Soulburner
You have an A64 and don't know what LDT is...?

LDT is the multiple of the FSB to get the HT speed...so 4x is the normal spec, 200x4=800mhz HT.
i'm assembling the rig right now. didn't get my stuff til today :)

[tritium]

So:

AFX DC-- Unlocked-- 1Mb L2--1000Mhz HT
A64 DC-- Locked -- 512 Kb L2--1000Mhz HT

Both for the 939 pin socket

[Penti]

Originally posted by tritium
So:

AFX DC-- Unlocked-- 1Mb L2--1000Mhz HT
A64 DC-- Locked -- 512 Kb L2--1000Mhz HT

Both for the 939 pin socket

Yes when winchester comes out. But it will be like this in the beginning.
A64FX-DC-Clawhammer--L2 1MB---1000MHz HT.
A64----DC-Newcastle---L2 512kB--800MHz HT.
Socket 939.
Winchester the successor of Newcastle with 1000MHz HT, 512kB L2 wont be out until Q4, same time as when San Diego are comming out (AMD switching to 0.09µ)

[Soulburner]

Ok so do we have this figured out yet?

When all the changes are said and done, what will they look like?