Intel Sandy B - E series socket LGA 2011 - Enthusiast CPU by the end of the of year

[Lanek]

As if the 2600K would not be enough, X-bit Labs reported that Intel will reveal the Sandy Bridge E-series by the end of the year, this is a new enthusiast-class desktop platform that will use the LGA2011 socket.

Intel Sandy Bridge E microprocessors are specifically designed for enthusiasts, who demand maximum performance. For example, the chips will carry "extra large cache" to maximize speed of single-threaded or dual-threaded applications, quad-channel memory controller and a number of other enhancements. Sandy Bridge E chips with four or six cores will be paired with code-named Patsburg core-logic set. Platforms based on the latter will feature external base frequency generators and clock-speeds of buses like SATA or USB locked. As a result, enthusiasts will be able to boost clock-speed of microprocessors using traditional methods by increasing DMI frequencies, something that will allow them to easily and more efficiently to overclock their CPUs.


source Xbitlabs / guru3D news H.H http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-sandy-bridge-eseries--for-enthusiasts-in-q4-2011/

[HKPolice]

Who cares about this if Ivy Bridge will be out at around the same time? Something doesn't make sense, why bother releasing quadcore SB-E when ivy bridge will be faster anyways?

[FlanK3r]

but not IB entusiant platform ....in Q1 2012 will be IB to the 1155LGA

[safan80]

Your suppose to put actual web links as sources.

[Lanek]

I was ask me same, so close of the Ivy release... I don't really understand their roadmap ... :shrug:


Your suppose to put actual web links as sources.

corrected.

[saaya]

Who cares about this if Ivy Bridge will be out at around the same time? Something doesn't make sense, why bother releasing quadcore SB-E when ivy bridge will be faster anyways?
its basically like westmere and sandybridge...
looks like intel will do this regularly now... max out the old arch with more cores and cache and have a new arch for mainstream, both within the same quarter...

so if you want max cores and cache etc, wait for sandybridgeE, if you want mainstream to highend perf, wait for ivybridge... i think thats whats intels strategy is...

[HKPolice]

I don't think there will be any quad core SB-E chips because it doesn't make any sense. Triple channel memory is already overkill for LGA1366 quad core, so quad channel mem with quad core is an even bigger waste. Combine this with Ivy Bridge launching right after, Intel would just be shooting themselves in the foot. Keeping SB-E @ 6 core 8 cores would make more sense, although ideally Intel should just release Ivy bridge "E" chips for LGA2011 @ 6-8 cores and skip SB-E all together.

[saaya]

i thought it was widely known for months already that SB-E was 10core?
guess there will be 8 core versions as well, but yeah, 6 or even 4 wouldnt make sense...

[sutyi]

Will the enthusiast IB chips work in these LGA2011 boards? Then it would make more sense I guess.

[sutyi]

i don't think there will be any quad core sb-e chips because it doesn't make any sense. Triple channel memory is already overkill for lga1366 quad core, so quad channel mem with quad core is an even bigger waste. Combine this with ivy bridge launching right after, intel would just be shooting themselves in the foot. Keeping sb-e @ 6 core 8 cores would make more sense, although ideally intel should just release ivy bridge "e" chips for lga2011 @ 6-8 cores and skip sb-e all together.

^ +1

[Lanek]

Surely the way it's needed to look at. Ivy E > Socket LGA 2011 .

Anyway First Ivy will be mainstream and mobile processors, so maybe perf will not be really so enthusiast at start ... I think too Q4 for thoses SB and new enthusiast CPU is way to far of the SB release.

They call them Enthusiast, but can be there for complete a future line up .... all depend the price of them . ( 875K ? )

Who know maybe it's the Will I.AM effect ?

[Mungri]

its basically like westmere and sandybridge...
looks like intel will do this regularly now... max out the old arch with more cores and cache and have a new arch for mainstream, both within the same quarter...

so if you want max cores and cache etc, wait for sandybridgeE, if you want mainstream to highend perf, wait for ivybridge... i think thats whats intels strategy is...

Kind of explains why they never released any 32 nm quads for LGA1366 :(

If you want one, you have to go sandybridge, or pay loads on a gulftown with 6 cores. If Intel made a 32 nm I7 quad core CPU for LGA 1366 at around £200, it would have sold loads of units, but they would rather make you buy a whole new motherboard instead.

[PatRaceTin]

Confused

[Chrono Detector]

Would like to see more info and pictures of the motherboards. I really hope that it has 8 DIMM RAM slots, because if it has only 4 I'll be pissed.

[ajaidev]

I saw only two 2011 sandy bridgecpu's and both were not quads they were hex and octa core.

[zalbard]

Surely the way it's needed to look at. Ivy E > Socket LGA 2011 .

Anyway First Ivy will be mainstream and mobile processors, so maybe perf will not be really so enthusiast at start ... I think too Q4 for thoses SB and new enthusiast CPU is way to far of the SB release.

They call them Enthusiast, but can be there for complete a future line up .... all depend the price of them . ( 875K ? )
I think Intel is simply trying to polish the new tech process on smaller chips first.
And SB-E will be obviously faster than IB in everything but single threaded workloads thanks to core number and cache / memory / PCI-E architecture.

[RaV666]

Yeah, Ivy is just a die shrink so IPC wise its goin to be the same as existing sandy.And SBE will have more cache and more cores with higher bandwith, im pretty sure 2011 socket is going to stay with us as long as 1366 is, so down the line 2011 socket will be upgraded to (higher performing than mainstream ones) Ivy.
Thing is ,will they only release 1000$ SKUs or will we get 920 kind of thing.

[Okda]

i thought it was widely known for months already that SB-E was 10core?
guess there will be 8 core versions as well, but yeah, 6 or even 4 wouldnt make sense...

Sorrym for off topic

BUT


Thanks saaya for the support :)

[Lanek]

Go go Egypt !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are all with you !!!!!

[firas]

SB-E or IB I don’t care just releases one of them before BF3 comes out :)

go Egypt
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5480/18075417849085219346217.jpg

[saaya]

Kind of explains why they never released any 32 nm quads for LGA1366 :(

If you want one, you have to go sandybridge, or pay loads on a gulftown with 6 cores. If Intel made a 32 nmE I7 quad core CPU for LGA 1366 at around £200, it would have sold loads of units, but they would rather make you buy a whole new motherboard instead.Well there are 32mm xeons for 1366 but they are.expensive...
I wish there'd have been 32mm dualcores for 1366 with huge clocks... kinda like e8600 would have rocked with ht....

Safrout wth are you doing on xs? :D
Get out on the streets and write history! :toast:

[saaya]

sb-e or ib i don’t care just releases one of them before bf3 comes out :)

go egypt
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5480/18075417849085219346217.jpg

lol :up:

[Iconyu]

i thought it was widely known for months already that SB-E was 10core?
guess there will be 8 core versions as well, but yeah, 6 or even 4 wouldnt make sense...

Agreed, all the tests I've seen on LGA2011 have been at least 8 core 16 thread. And it's the general thread that Intel will probably release 10 core chips to insure a performance lead over Bulldozer.

And for the Ivybridge doubters, yes socket 1155 22nm will be fast, but it'll probably still be limited to x57 multi, the real reason for the shrink isn't a faster CPU but a faster GPU. I'm sure there will be significant tweaks but going from DX10.1 to DX11 is the focus.

There is a small to fair chance that any CPU tweaks on Ivybridge could make it into Sandybridge-E.

[bro20000]

My next upgrade SB 6cores! Heaven!!

[Sam_oslo]

Intel has been doing this lately. They improve the mainstream, mainly for keeping AMD in shock, and then release the high-end right after with high price.

This was as expected. We can expect to see some 4-6 Core Intel Sandy B-E series, then 8-10 core LGA2011 + some double/quad-socket a few moths later. They mean business, LOL.



SB-E or IB I don’t care just releases one of them before BF3 comes out :)

go Egypt
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Hey good one, ;) please remove the malware and try again!

[-Sweeper_]

if I cant get an hexa-core for U$300 (u$500 max) I'll be pissed :yepp:

[zalbard]

We can expect to see some 4-6 Core Intel Sandy B-E series, then 8-10 core LGA2011 + some double/quad-socket a few moths later.
I don't think we can expect 4 core SB-E chips. 4 core CPUs are for mainstream market only.

[[XC] gomeler]

Bah, this is another frigging 9 months away or so. Hopefully LGA1155 Sandybridge will continue to be refined so we can all sell our 980x and buy GPUs instead :D


Kind of explains why they never released any 32 nm quads for LGA1366 :(

If you want one, you have to go sandybridge, or pay loads on a gulftown with 6 cores. If Intel made a 32 nm I7 quad core CPU for LGA 1366 at around £200, it would have sold loads of units, but they would rather make you buy a whole new motherboard instead.

They sort of did. Intel Xeon E5620 for $380 -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117234

It's a 32nm quad and should work fine in X58 boards. The pricing is a bit high but that is due to the dual QPI links for SMP support.

[Sam_oslo]

I don't think we can expect 4 core SB-E chips. 4 core CPUs are for mainstream market only.

Yeah, as it's, your point is valid for now, but i think it will all depend on AMD's next move.

Intel will try to keep AMD in shock in mainstream, as before, and then will use as many cores as it takes, 4-6 (or even 8 :D) all would depend on what AMD can deliver next.

Based on current info/rumors about AMD's upcoming CPUs, I wouldn't get very surprised to see a cheap 6-Core mainstream from Intel. But it remains to be seen.

[alucasa]

The way Intel is doing with sockets are starting to confuse the hell outta me.

[zalbard]

The way Intel is doing with sockets are starting to confuse the hell outta me.
I hope they'll just stick to LGA1155 and LGA2011 without adding 1365, 1367, and all these unnecessary rumored ones.
Otherwise it just seems silly.

[Etihtsarom]

Well hopefully 1155 and 2011 will be it for a couple more years.
Yay Egypt.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Who cares about this if Ivy Bridge will be out at around the same time? Something doesn't make sense, why bother releasing quadcore SB-E when ivy bridge will be faster anyways?
Because the writing is on the wall that IB won't be what the enthusiast crowd is expecting. I wouldn't be surprised if the SB-E is comparable to IB using current programs/games (not benchmark aps).

[sin0822]

this is awesome multiplier AND BLCK clock adjustment, with processors that OC like no tomorrow, hopefully they will fix cold bug and quit randomly binning them!

[JoeBar]

Let's hope that it'll truly be by the end of the year and not early 2012...

[Hornet331]

I don't think we can expect 4 core SB-E chips. 4 core CPUs are for mainstream market only.

And who told you that? :D

SB-E is related to the DP platform, and I am sure there will be quadcores based on S2011, maybe not for the "enthusiast market" but for the workstation/low end server market you sure will get quadcores, and so you also can use them in enthusiast S2011 boards.

[trn]

This new scheme from Intel sucks!! :( Socket 2011 Octocores will almost undoubtedly be $1,000 EE's on 32nm right when IB is getting ready to come out with 22nm Quads for $300. It doesn't make any sense!! If i'm paying top dollar for a CPU I want the best tech available! And if they can't deliver that then they need to look at lower prices for the older tech (which intel will never do, they will stick to their $1,000 Extreme Edition pricing forever.)

[Otis11]

This new scheme from Intel sucks!! :( Socket 2011 Octocores will almost undoubtedly be $1,000 EE's on 32nm right when IB is getting ready to come out with 22nm Quads for $300. It doesn't make any sense!! If i'm paying top dollar for a CPU I want the best tech available! And if they can't deliver that then they need to look at lower prices for the older tech (which intel will never do, they will stick to their $1,000 Extreme Edition pricing forever.)

Agreed. But sadly until there is something to compete they can sell these at whatever price they want... :(

[bearcatrp]

I'm hoping the westmere Hexes drop so I can replace my quads. This is so weird to pump so many new chips out and not lower the price on the old ones. Heck, westmere hasn't been out very long and a better one is right around the corner to take it's place. Can't see how intel is making any money by not stretching out releasing newer chips to recoup some of the cost to make them.

[FischOderAal]

Well hopefully 1155 and 2011 will be it for a couple more years.

Just like S1156 was? Oh wait...

No, Intel will keep changing the socket like their underpants.

[Hornet331]

If the old chips get discontinued and not replaced by a higher rated chip, they get not cheaper, but instead more expensive (since there is no more supply).

The only way then, is to look for a used chip, retail prices arn't goning to be cheap. ;)


Just like S1156 was? Oh wait...

No, Intel will keep changing the socket like their underpants.


Just like amd ;)

But that was a foreseeable step on both parties, higher integration = more frequent socket change. With now everything on the CPU substrate/die you can expect socket changes with following things:
New/changed PCIE-Controller
New/changed Mem-Controller
even a new gpu part probably could lead to a socket change.

and of course the obligatory VRM change.

[Scorpio[pt]]

Just like amd ;)

.

AMD maintains backward compatibility , intel doesn't

[STEvil]

The way Intel is doing with sockets are starting to confuse the hell outta me.

Same.

Think I might go back to AMD..

[JumpingJack]

;4742958']AMD maintains backward compatibility , intel doesn't

AMD does a much better job with backward compatibility, it is a huge selling point for them, but we are about to go through some major socket changes with AMD as well...

Bulldozer (Zambezi sp?) -- new socket.
Llano -- New socket
Brazos -- no socket, hard soldered to the board.

That pretty much spans the entire range of markets except for Server, where they appear to have socket compatibility there.

I am not one who minds socket changes as I rarely do just drop in replacements, but many people are drop in desired, so it is a huge marketing tool for AMD to retain backward compatibility whenever possible.

[glen]

I still don't get it. Saw that IB will be out by the end of the year. So why would Intel release SBE with a new socker on 32nm tech? They must be no GPU and expensive. Also the rumor that IB is compatible with P67 boards.

Does anyone think the unlocked 2500K & 2600K will be a fleeting opportunity? For intel to sell these with unlocked multipliers, IB seems like it would have to be a production 5 ghz chip. Then you got these big SB-E's with 8+ cores selling at best 4ghz and a high TDP. I still think the first LG2A2011 will be server until IB-E and SB-E will be 1155.

[Lanek]

Ivy will not be out in end of the year, lol, they will be presented in Q4 2011 ( mostly december ) but you will not see any of thoses chips before february 2012 ..

Intel will play with the annonce following AMD release, nothing more.

I still don't understand why they have not release the enthusiast plateform yet, why wait end of the year for it ? specially it will have save them a lot of money with the P67 Sata chipset problem.

[Iconyu]

I still don't get it. Saw that IB will be out by the end of the year. So why would Intel release SBE with a new socker on 32nm tech? They must be no GPU and expensive. Also the rumor that IB is compatible with P67 boards.

Does anyone think the unlocked 2500K & 2600K will be a fleeting opportunity? For intel to sell these with unlocked multipliers, IB seems like it would have to be a production 5 ghz chip. Then you got these big SB-E's with 8+ cores selling at best 4ghz and a high TDP. I still think the first LG2A2011 will be server until IB-E and SB-E will be 1155.

What if Intel just wants to make SB-E on a mature process? After all AMD/ATI have been careful with switching processes, and 32nm has taken Intel ages to smooth out.

Intel released Clarkdale, and then Gulftown. Clarkdale was a package of a Westmere 32nm dual core CPU and 45nm GPU, basically it was much smaller than Gulftown and Sandybridge. There is no way on earth Intel will even consider starting the 22nm generation with a huge eight core chip.

Also SB-E has 40 PCI-E 3.0 lanes, Quad channel memory ON CHIP and unlocked bclk, LGA1155 couldn't even dream of handling that. I doubt many of the P67 motherboards are even designed to handle a high bclk, they'd just die.

@Lanek, if they forsaw the SATA issue, they could have planned for SB-E earlier. But they only planned against Bulldozer. They saw that AMD wouldn't have anything to stop LGA1155 so they decided to give that as much market time as possible, the SATA issue has punched a hole in that plan and it's left AMD with a couple of months where Intel have nothing to ship. But Intel can't pull LGA2011 in 6 months, they aren't that close, better for all if they take their time and focus on making no mistakes don't you think? Also I think they want LGA2011 have a distict performance gap over LGA1155.

[tiro_uspsss]

Intel released Westmere, and then Gulftown. Westmere was a package of 32nm dual core CPU and 45nm GPU, basically it was much smaller than Gulftown and Sandybridge.

do u have any idea what ur talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Westmere

no.. no, u dont



Just like S1156 was? Oh wait...

No, Intel will keep changing the socket like their underpants.

most ppl @ XS seem to change their mobos like their underpants (regardless of cpu maker) :p:



The way Intel is doing with sockets are starting to confuse the hell outta me.

I understand where ur coming from.. keeping track of the intel sockets is easy for me: 1155, 1156, 1366 & 2011..

what I cant keep a track of is all the darn code-names in here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=265107

:shrug:
I wonder if that has anything to do with different ppl remembering different things better :shrug:

[tiro_uspsss]

Would like to see more info and pictures of the motherboards. I really hope that it has 8 DIMM RAM slots, because if it has only 4 I'll be pissed.

16GB not enough for u? :p:

[RPGWiZaRD]

I don't like seeing socket changes every single time but sometimes I want to see it in case it's to be able to make more drastic changes for better performance. With major architecture changes it's worth it. Something in-between Intel and AMD is perfectly fine with me, I prefer rather AMD's persistance than Intels socket change every generation though at this point.

[Iconyu]

do u have any idea what ur talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Westmere

no.. no, u dont



Sorry I meant Clarkdale, which is basically two Westmere cores and a 45nm GPU, I'll edit my post to reflect this. I'm sure I would have caught that, but I'm trying to correct my sleeping pattern at the moment. If I'm still wrong feel free to correct as tactfully as you've shown yourself to be.

[DFI pit bull]

do u have any idea what ur talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Westmere

no.. no, u dont

You still being an :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana: I see, nothing ever changes with you, still as annoying as ever:mad:

[tiro_uspsss]

You still being an :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana: I see, nothing ever changes with you, still as annoying as ever:mad:

that SATA3 velociraptor still not fast enough for u? :p::rofl:

[Tenknics]

Its not that hard to understand. Intel always shows off future chips at trade-shows. Nothing has changed on this gen.
Like someone said before me, Ivy will be demoed at the end of the year but definitely won't ship before Jan/Feb 2012.

I'm pretty sure saaya said it clearly when he compared it to this last gen. There will be an overlap. Right now our "high-end" is previous uARCH, Westmere, and our mainstream is the new sandy-b. Then s2011 sandy b's will come out and a short while later we'll have Ivy mainstream, and we'll be back to having the old uARCH as "high-end" and the new uARCH as mainstream.

[MythSquare]

I think this is gonna be the same thing as LGA1155 cross SB-IB platform. There it goes to LGA2011, Intel will bring support for IB on 2011 definitely after some time in mid 2012. First IB wouldn't be so fast as hexa and octa of SB-E. My guess.

[BababooeyHTJ]

most ppl @ XS seem to change their mobos like their underpants (regardless of cpu maker) :p:



:up:

I know that I've gone through more mobos than cpus over the years.

[zalbard]

I know that I've gone through more mobos than cpus over the years.
That shows how bad most motherboards are. I am yet to buy one that would be perfect and didn't make me think of switching it for a different one...
Just bad luck, I guess. Or perhaps really good motherboards are released way too late. :p:

[FischOderAal]

:up:

I know that I've gone through more mobos than cpus over the years.

The opposite for me. Both my ASUS P5W-DH and now my MSI P55-GD65 perform satisfactory.

[DFI pit bull]

that SATA3 velociraptor still not fast enough for u? :p::rofl:

"Fast" that's you in bed with your boyfriend:D:up:

[tiro_uspsss]

"Fast" that's you in bed with your boyfriend:D:up:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=266182

:up:

[SabreWulf69]

Last 2 posts off topic, enter the flame, please delete this and them.

[Vinas]

This new scheme from Intel sucks!! :( Socket 2011 Octocores will almost undoubtedly be $1,000 EE's on 32nm right when IB is getting ready to come out with 22nm Quads for $300. It doesn't make any sense!! If i'm paying top dollar for a CPU I want the best tech available! And if they can't deliver that then they need to look at lower prices for the older tech (which intel will never do, they will stick to their $1,000 Extreme Edition pricing forever.)It's not what the part it worth, it is what people are willing to pay. Apparently plenty of people can afford to spend $1k on a CPU. :D

[Bojamijams]

I can't keep up with Intel and their new platforms. I want something that lasts more then a year. AMD it is for me for my next upgrade I guess.

[-Sweeper_]

hot news from cebit

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[Hornet331]

direct link:
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[DarthShader]

Not really, it says it's going to be Q3-Q4. What is interesting though - earlier reports, ie. Anandtech didn't mention and 8-core. Even more interesting, this site claims Intel showed a 2P system for Socket R - LGA2011!

[antiacid]

does that mean that I can buy a quad-channel LGA2011 motherboard and a SB-E chip this year, then swap to an IB on the same socket half a year later?

[Tenknics]

I dont understand...are people just blind to the info in front of them? Do they just like to complain?

SandyB-E is Q4 2011. It's replacement is IvyB-E in q4 2012 - a full year later, like intel has always done, give or take a few months

The ivy-b that will be coming out "so close to SandyB-E" as you are all so worried about, is a replacement for the current mainstream 1155 chips.

Why is this so hard to understand? Its the same exacty scenario right now, with Westmere being the high end, like saaya and I have said over and over...



YEEESH

[antiacid]

I dont understand...are people just blind to the info in front of them? Do they just like to complain?

SandyB-E is Q4 2011. It's replacement is IvyB-E in q4 2012 - a full year later, like intel has always done, give or take a few months

The ivy-b that will be coming out "so close to SandyB-E" as you are all so worried about, is a replacement for the current mainstream 1155 chips.

Why is this so hard to understand? Its the same exacty scenario right now, with Westmere being the high end, like saaya and I have said over and over...



YEEESH

But with the current scenario, we have multiple sockets that are not compatible with each other. I'm wondering if they'll ever keep it consistent between chip revisions ;)

[sin0822]

Not really, it says it's going to be Q3-Q4. What is interesting though - earlier reports, ie. Anandtech didn't mention and 8-core. Even more interesting, this site claims Intel showed a 2P system for Socket R - LGA2011!

A dual socket LGA2011 I BELIEVE why? because those processors have dual QPI buses.

[Iconyu]

does that mean that I can buy a quad-channel LGA2011 motherboard and a SB-E chip this year, then swap to an IB on the same socket half a year later?

That's how it's been done previously, one board should be good for at least a tick and a tock. But it's normally much longer than a six month gap, Intel would have to be under pressure for that to happen.

[freecableguy]

I don't think there will be any quad core SB-E chips because it doesn't make any sense. Triple channel memory is already overkill for LGA1366 quad core, so quad channel mem with quad core is an even bigger waste...

If triple-channel memory is already overkill, then why do you overclock your memory? Double-secret overkill, perhaps??

...

Uh-oh...I've just called you out and there's no possible defense of your statement.

[freecableguy]

I can't keep up with Intel and their new platforms. I want something that lasts more then a year. AMD it is for me for my next upgrade I guess.

So, according to you Intel should slow the release of their future products because, and I quote, you "want something that last more then (sic) a year."

Here's a novel idea: why don't you decide you can be happy with what you have and not demand that the pace of technological innovation be reduced to within the capabilities of your expendable cash supply.

More cheese with your whine, Sir?

[glen]

So, according to you Intel should slow the release of their future products because, and I quote, you "want something that last more then (sic) a year."

Here's a novel idea: why don't you decide you can be happy with what you have and not demand that the pace of technological innovation be reduced to within the capabilities of your expendable cash supply.

More cheese with your whine, Sir?

How about upgrading from a 3 year old Q9550 to a i5 2500 SB and gaining a pitiful 25% clock for clock cpu performance, only reason I upgraded was because we needed a new computer, certainly the advancements in the last 3 years give practically no one a reason to upgrade? I mean people are figuring out that their LGA775 quadcores are just as good as the SandyBridge for almost all practical use.

Does anyone think Intel has hit a plateau and are buying time, playing a shell game till they have an integrated GPU that is worth a damn ? They must be running on borrowed time by now, 5 years tops if they haven't been put out of business by notebooks and tablets.

[Iconyu]

How about upgrading from a 3 year old Q9550 to a i5 2500 SB and gaining a pitiful 25% clock for clock cpu performance, only reason I upgraded was because we needed a new computer, certainly the advancements in the last 3 years give practically no one a reason to upgrade? I mean people are figuring out that their LGA775 quadcores are just as good as the SandyBridge for almost all practical use.

Does anyone think Intel has hit a plateau and are buying time, playing a shell game till they have an integrated GPU that is worth a damn ? They must be running on borrowed time by now, 5 years tops if they haven't been put out of business by notebooks and tablets.

Intel have been pushing hard if anything as a hardware company, AMD and Intel agreeing on AVX is a big step forward, the real issue here is that there is no software that pushes the need to upgrade. Also, the fastest part of Sandybridge isn't even being used right now. Sure Intel will push software companies to use it but it'll take some time to see that performance gap appear.

[soya_crack]

... I mean people are figuring out that their LGA775 quadcores are just as good as the SandyBridge for almost all practical use...Why do people always think Microsoft Word is the only program in the world? :brick:


Oh and by the way, from your old crappy Q9550, it's way more than 25% boost to a 2500, more likely 50%, not even speaking of a 2600.

[Cooper]

hehe I see FCG is back after 4 years and went straight into flame-a-tron :D
Man don't get too overworked - this section advanced so far in that area. I'm afraid you might not stand a chance :lol:

[Tenknics]

How about upgrading from a 3 year old Q9550 to a i5 2500 SB and gaining a pitiful 25% clock for clock cpu performance, only reason I upgraded was because we needed a new computer, certainly the advancements in the last 3 years give practically no one a reason to upgrade? I mean people are figuring out that their LGA775 quadcores are just as good as the SandyBridge for almost all practical use.

Does anyone think Intel has hit a plateau and are buying time, playing a shell game till they have an integrated GPU that is worth a damn ? They must be running on borrowed time by now, 5 years tops if they haven't been put out of business by notebooks and tablets.



Intel is buying time now?


Conroe and Nehalem were just stopgap time buyers....Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :down:


The whole integrated GPU thing has really only been relevant/important the past 1-2 years maybe..Fusion chips are just now coming out, yet Intel has been buying time AND been the market leader for the last 5-6 years? How can you be a shell and also continue to have a huge lead in process, r&d and technology?

:confused:

Also everything you said about usage and performance is a giant generalization based on how YOU use computers. I saw a huge performance gain, in the range of 30-50%+ when I went from Penryn to Arrandale...but I don't go around saying to everyone "MAN ARRANDALE is 2x faster than Core 2!"

Speak for yourself.

[Iconyu]

If triple-channel memory is already overkill, then why do you overclock your memory? Double-secret overkill, perhaps??

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Uh-oh...I've just called you out and there's no possible defense of your statement.

HK said that because manufacture wise it is overkill for the performance gain, and looking at Intel's recent design philosophy every change must have a performance gain, and I'm not talking about the epreen we get from overclocking our ram.

Intel likes the idea of two cores per memory channel, so they left the door open for a six core LGA1366. But saying that LGA1155 memory bandwidth in comparison to LGA1366 is pretty close, eventually SB-E could be good for 10 cores as long as the bandwidth scales correctly.

I don't think we'll see a quad core on socket 2011 either. I think Intel will open with six or eight cores, with lots of cache and HT as standard. The price of entry will be reassuringly 'expensive' as Intel will charge a lot for the chipset.

[Halk]

So errr. We have Bulldozer in April, May or June (seems to be more often said to be June), then we've got Ivy Bridge coming later in the year, at the same time as Sandy Bridge 'E'. Ivy Bridge seems to be going to replace the 980X product line for Intel. Sandy Bridge E will just be more chips for their 67 platform... Bulldozer will all be AM3+.

So there by year end there will be 3 platforms to choose from?

Bulldozer - AM3+
Sandy Bridge & Ivy Bridge - 1155
Sandy Bridge E - 2011

Additionally all platforms we had at the start of this year will be outdated - AM3, X58, P65...

Or have I grasped it all wrong? :/

[Iconyu]

You just got IB and SB-E mixed up in the first paragraph, other than that I think you had it all right. Ivy Bridge will probably be fighting toe to toe with Fusion as it should be Intel's DX11 part.

On 22nm they should be able to claw some APU performance back, but Intel are beginners in the performance graphics arena. Having a fab/transistor advantage alone might not be enough.

[DarthShader]

Ivy Bridge seems to be going to replace the 980X product line for Intel.
No, Ivy Bridge is going to replace Sandy Bridge and it's coming in Q1 2012. Sandy Bridge-E is going to replace the 980X product line (ie. 1000$ processors).

You forgot to mention Llano on FM1 btw.

[Rattle]

Wow all this is getting confusing. If I only want 4 cores maybe with HT is there anything thats going to be faster than p67 and sandy bridge current cpu's coming out?

[STaRGaZeR]

FCG is back. Today is a good day.

[[XC] hipno650]

FCG is back. Today is a good day.

I concur. it's been years since I seen this guy around..:up:

[WaterFlex]

How do you think about the price of these chips?

[Johnny87au]

To all the people mentiondin quad tripple, thats all rumours i believe intel is sticking with tripple..

[[XC] Oj101]

FCG :D I've been waiting for your return for about three years :D

Why's zalbard banned? :(

[kadozer]

Oj101;4769979']FCG :D I've been waiting for your return for about three years :D

Why's zalbard banned? :(

I think he got into a heated debate with another banned member.

On Topic: Does anyone see the 2600k being the Q6600 of the 1155 sockets or will Ivy bridge be worth the wait... in terms of diminishing returns - performance?