Coloured Pre Mix - No Cloudy tubes and no gunk possible? A resounding YES!

[Fatfool]

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I've decided to retire my old QX6700 rig and so, I've removed my loop. It's been running for more than year. The tubing used was B-44-3 and the coolant was Feser's Black.

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The cloudiness on my res was from a previous loop where I used R3603. No gunking and no corrosion. On another note, those rotary barbs from enzotech are most excellent.

Note that I'm not a fes(t)er promoter though. Those S.O.B made crap rotaries (which you see on my rear rad that constantly leaked)

[zeropluszero]

cool story bro

[lowfat]

That is significantly more clear than the 6 week old B-44-4x I use w/ just distilled, silver coil, & PT Nuke.

[skinnee]

^ Same thing happened with my B-44-4X, will never buy that stuff again. :shakes:

[Fatfool]

That is significantly more clear than the 6 week old B-44-4x I use w/ just distilled, silver coil, & PT Nuke.
I was surprised myself. B-44-3 is slightly cheaper than B-44-X too. I never use distilled btw. The risk of algae turns me off. Also, I forgot to mention that my rig is without case lights or windows.

[Fatfool]

^ Same thing happened with my B-44-4X, will never buy that stuff again. :shakes:
switch to pre mixes?

[Fatfool]

cool story bro
cool story my arse. I have been running it for a long time and it stayed clear. I have a thread about leaking feser rotaries with this rig on these forums.

[zeropluszero]

you wont catch me putting anything in my loops.

[skinnee]

^ Same thing happened with my B-44-4X, will never buy that stuff again. :shakes:


switch to pre mixes?

No, buy B-44-4X again. Well, won't run pre-mixes again either. :p:

[Alexandr0s]

Lol, that's significantly more clean than some of the other builds using Feser coolants. I've seen builds with Feser ultra pure that were worse off than you are after 3 months :rofl:.

[PatRaceTin]

Ahhh that look busy

[Fatfool]

Lol, that's significantly more clean than some of the other builds using Feser coolants. I've seen builds with Feser ultra pure that were worse off than you are after 3 months :rofl:.
Maybe it's the tubing or conditions more than anything else? I keep seeing pre mixes being bashed but I've never had those problems despite using them. (used primochill before too)

even with primochil dye bomb and R3603, I only had slight gunking. I suspect environmental factors, particularly the LEDs and CFLLs are to blame.

[skinnee]

We only ever see the worst cases, the normal experiences don't make for good forum drama.

^ Like it or not, it's true. :yepp:

[Fatfool]

Ahhh that look busy
yep. cannibalising the parts for my new build

[Fatfool]

We only ever see the worst cases, the normal experiences don't make for good forum drama.

^ Like it or not, it's true. :yepp:
Oh yeah, very true.

[Quagmire LXIX]

Nice pictory, and a Cinderella ending to boot :up:

Way to buck the drama trend.

Q

[sabe]

From experience, it happens more often on loops with blocks that have injector plates. Sometimes it gets so bad there is no flow at all, only gunk on the injector plates.

[warmage]

nice it turned good for u . tho your out side metals are begging to be polished :P

i ran fluid xp since 2007 , just had (2weeks ago) to change my gpu HD2900 to HD6970 , I was thinking it will be a hell if i looked inside the blocks !
turns out i was wrong, it was clean as new ! , so i hooked the blocks again and used the same coolant + distilled.
i add distilled to it when ever it gets low with time

tho i still think fluid xp was behind the cracking acrylic res i had!

here is some color and shine u missed after 3 months of your build :P

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[Fatfool]

nice it turned good for u . tho your out side metals are begging to be polished :P

i ran fluid xp since 2007 , just had (2weeks ago) to change my gpu HD2900 to HD6970 , I was thinking it will be a hell if i looked inside the blocks !
turns out i was wrong, it was clean as new ! , so i hooked the blocks again and used the same coolant + distilled.
i add distilled to it when ever it gets low with time

tho i still think fluid xp was behind the cracking acrylic res i had!

here is some color and shine u missed after 3 months of your build :P

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ah, another satisfied pre mix user.

as for my block's oxidation, I admit that it's rather severe. Actually my enzotech rotaries too are oxidised.
Problem is that I have what I'd term 'colour ignorance'. For example, I often go out dressed in different shades of brown. I also use any mix of fittings I can lay my hands on. For my new build for example, I have enzotech shining silver, enzotech matt black, bitspower shining silver, danger den, feser and OEM Fittings all being used at the same time. It doesn't particularly look weird to me. Same goes for my blocks. I inspect them for cracks, look at the oxidised base and go 'oh yeah, looks good to go'

[Fatfool]

Nice pictory, and a Cinderella ending to boot :up:

Way to buck the drama trend.

Q
thanks. What I'm trying to put across here is don't go around shouting on the forums that you'll be going distilled and silver coils because someone gunked up their loop.

I mean come on, that's just retarded. I find it amusing how some still complain of gunking after going with silver coils, probably because of algae build up. By the way, I flush my loops with tap water and just dry them in the sun ( tropics here, good for drying.)

[Fatfool]

From experience, it happens more often on loops with blocks that have injector plates. Sometimes it gets so bad there is no flow at all, only gunk on the injector plates.
true. Especially with all those heatkiller blocks these days.

[lowfat]

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[Fatfool]

how's that used?

[Waterlogged]

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[Sparky]

I was surprised myself. B-44-3 is slightly cheaper than B-44-X too. I never use distilled btw. The risk of algae turns me off. Also, I forgot to mention that my rig is without case lights or windows.

Distilled by itself yes is an algae hazard. Ask me how I know :rofl:

But distilled + a silver killcoil works great. Not even a spec in my other loop, everything still perfectly clear.

[thobel]

+1 for dispelling the myth :)

[Fatfool]

Distilled by itself yes is an algae hazard. Ask me how I know :rofl:

But distilled + a silver killcoil works great. Not even a spec in my other loop, everything still perfectly clear.
Don't need to ask. I can imagine what happened!

I guess the algae/gunk in my silver coil loops are another form of forum drama then.

[matari]

I am sure it is possible to grow algae in bleach if you really wanted to. I have used both Feser One and Thermochill EC6 without any gunk in my blocks. However, there have been times were I have had gunk and algae using both coolants.

[BlueAqua]

I once tried distilled and a little bit of mouthwash. :rofl: Let me tell ya, that didn't work too well at first, but after the bubbles went away it was actually pretty clear for a long time.

[Fatfool]

I am sure it is possible to grow algae in bleach if you really wanted to. I have used both Feser One and Thermochill EC6 without any gunk in my blocks. However, there have been times were I have had gunk and algae using both coolants.
I seriously doubt you can grow algae in bleach....That oxidises stuff so fast....

[matari]

Any solution subjected to the physical abuse found in a modern water cooling loop will break down over time. The modern day water cooling loop is nothing but a solution seperater. Is possible to have algae grow in loop containing silver? The answer is yes. Is possible to have algae grow on feser one or any other premix? The answe is yes. Happened to me and more than likely others. I am not saying premixed coolant is bad, I am just saying you will frequently need to clean your gear.

[Fatfool]

Any solution subjected to the physical abuse found in a modern water cooling loop will break down over time. The modern day water cooling loop is nothing but a solution seperater. Is possible to have algae grow in loop containing silver? The answer is yes. Is possible to have algae grow on feser one or any other premix? The answe is yes. Happened to me and more than likely others. I am not saying premixed coolant is bad, I am just saying you will frequently need to clean your gear.
Actually, you only need to clean it when it screws up on you. If it doesn't gunk up, and you don't need to change anything, why clean it? That setup was run for a year. (instead of the recommended 6 months)

[matari]

there are two things I have done to prevent any build up in my loop.

1) Leave my computer on 24/7,

2) Clean my loop every 3 to 4 months.

The only time I had issues with algae is when I shut down my PC when I was not using it. Not worth the hassle of leaving the coolant in my loop for more than 4 months. I am switching this rig to distilled and silver when it comes time to change coolant. It seems that EK is voiding warranty with the use of any aggressive coolant.

[matari]

Here is what my CPU block looks like after ~5 months of Thermochill EC6 UV Blue.

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[Fatfool]

Here is what my CPU block looks like after ~5 months of Thermochill EC6 UV Blue.

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can't quite see if there's a problem?

[matari]

See the three long white lines down the center of the microfins? They are the same shape as the jet plate. I believe that is plasticizer. Not a big deal, took seconds to clean. Had some clouding in my tubing, just the piece that goes from my radiator to CPU block.

[GreyStone]

Well I guess I know which tubing I'll be switching to the next time I have to change water.

All I'm using is plain distilled water with a killcoil. Used B-44-4X with the understanding that it didn't contain any plasticizer and would therefore be less prone to clouding. Wrong! Tubing was already cloudy upon completion of leak testing. As far as I know there's nothing else in my loop that would've caused the clouding. Just the CPU water block, the radiator and the Swiftech MCP35X reservoir.

[lowfat]

Well I guess I know which tubing I'll be switching to the next time I have to change water.

All I'm using is plain distilled water with a killcoil. Used B-44-4X with the understanding that it didn't contain any plasticizer and would therefore be less prone to clouding. Wrong! Tubing was already cloudy upon completion of leak testing. As far as I know there's nothing else in my loop that would've caused the clouding. Just the CPU water block, the radiator and the Swiftech MCP35X reservoir.
Have you tried cleaning out your tubing w/ a bottle cleaner? Cleaning it out after all of the plasticizer has leaked out of the tubing may be a way to keep it clear. I am going to attempt that w/ my B-44-4x once I have been able to find a bottle cleaner locally.

[Fatfool]

Well I guess I know which tubing I'll be switching to the next time I have to change water.

All I'm using is plain distilled water with a killcoil. Used B-44-4X with the understanding that it didn't contain any plasticizer and would therefore be less prone to clouding. Wrong! Tubing was already cloudy upon completion of leak testing. As far as I know there's nothing else in my loop that would've caused the clouding. Just the CPU water block, the radiator and the Swiftech MCP35X reservoir.
Goodness, now you're making me nervous. I have a short segment of B-44-X for my res to pump for my new loop.

[Fatfool]

See the three long white lines down the center of the microfins? They are the same shape as the jet plate. I believe that is plasticizer. Not a big deal, took seconds to clean. Had some clouding in my tubing, just the piece that goes from my radiator to CPU block.
Um, that's not a coolant problem is it? It's the tubing?

[GreyStone]

Have you tried cleaning out your tubing w/ a bottle cleaner? Cleaning it out after all of the plasticizer has leaked out of the tubing may be a way to keep it clear. I am going to attempt that w/ my B-44-4x once I have been able to find a bottle cleaner locally.

Thanks for the suggestion. I tried it out on the section of tubing between the radiator outlet and the reservoir inlet. This had the worst build-up (odd, can't figure out why that particular section was so bad) and it worked well. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for all of whatever's leaving the residue on the tubing to leach out.

[OC Maximus]

So where did you purchase this Tygon B-44-3 tubing?

[ximius]

So where did you purchase this Tygon B-44-3 tubing?

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23279

[lowfat]

http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23279

Shame they only use FedEx and UPS. It would cost more than the tubing is worth to get it up to Canada after brokerage fees. :down:

[Fatfool]

On a Side note, my B-44-X segment seems okay at the moment. It's still as clear as the rest of my tubing and there's no gunk buildup anywhere. I'm using thermochill EC6 Clear so it's extremely easy to inspect components :)

[lowfat]

On a Side note, my B-44-X segment seems okay at the moment. It's still as clear as the rest of my tubing and there's no gunk buildup anywhere. I'm using thermochill EC6 Clear so it's extremely easy to inspect components :)

After how long though? All of my B-44-4X clouded. I've since cleaned them all but they still develop a yellow hue to them.

[Fatfool]

After how long though? All of my B-44-4X clouded. I've since cleaned them all but they still develop a yellow hue to them.
It's been about two months. I don't have a yellow hue. More of a purplish hue but that's probably from the EC6.

My Aquacomputer Cuplex Di XT's pins (viewable through the clear plastic portion) are still shiny so I know there's no buildup.