Hi

[Parradux]

Hello,

I recently have sold most of my stuff, and have acquired some money that I wanted to dedicate to cooling. I browsed around, and to be frank, refridgeration scares me. I know an old tech that has told me stories of people spilling suva/liquid r22 etc, and causing huge problems so I've decided to stay away from that for now.

Air cooling is just to loud, and too inefficent, after awhile it beings to lose its intergity.

Which brings me to water/tec cooling.

Would someone be kind enough to inform me of a good setup for the price range of about 250-270. I would just like to cool my CPU, as is my graphics card is extremely poor.

So if someone would be kind enough of what parts that I would need to purchase that is great.

Thank you for your time,
Parradux.

[Tedinde]

You dont know what inefficent is, till you see the electric a tec sucks down!!!

Just start reading the TEC forum from begining to end.

[KnightElite]

I would recommend just going with watercoolign if that's the price you're looking at, as a TEC and TEC supply will shoot your price up by about $100 at least.

As to parts, for a non-TEC setup:
I recommend:
swiftech MCP-600 pump
whitewater or Dangerden RBX or Cascade as block
Whatever heatercore is of decent size and fits in your case well
some sort of reservoir for ease of filling. Place it immediately in front of the pump intake.

Welcome to Xtreme.

[Jabo]

Well, first things first.
What do you want yor rig to be able to do?
Do you want to OC or just cool it quietly?
YOur budget will no suffice for TEC cooling unless you got already PSU able to power 226watt TEC (sth of Enermax 465 series).
In such a case you should be able to pull it off since the only money eaters left will be block assy and pump (what KnightElite suggests is prime quality h'ware). Heater core you can get or ~$20 from autozone (if you live in USofA).

[Parradux]

I already have a power supply that has a 25amp constant on the 12v line.

Watercooling would be better to start off with. So by going with those parts that were already recommended I would be going the right path?

However Knight, would those parts listed there work with a TEC setup?

[sandman]

What kidn of PSU is that? and do you have a link to it if it's an industrial PSU.

If you want a setup that you can put pelts on later check into these:

MCP600 pump
Danger Den Maze 4-1
A big heatercore or a couple smaller ones.

[Slickthellama]

I dont recommend the mcp6000. I had one and it got hot and warmed up the water. Plus bad flow rate. Get a Hydor l30 or hydor l20 if ur on a budget. I also recommend the maze 4-1. I <3 mine.

[Parradux]

I've read good reviews about the mcp 600. However I may be able to get a good aquarium pump for dirt cheap. Would this be better then buying a 600?

[NitroRat]

I already have a power supply that has a 25amp constant on the 12v line.
At 12 volts a 226 watt tec will use about 20 amps, if the tec is the only thing that it will power than your ok but if you plan on using it in conjunction with you system you will have problems.

[NitroRat]

Plus bad flow rate.
What never heard that before, one of the best flow rates around.
You don't want yours I'll take it...

[Parradux]

No. The powersupply will only power the TEC, and maybe the fans on the rad. If not my normal powersupply could support a few extra fans.

[KnightElite]

Okay, well, if you want to get TEC, I would recommend using that supply that you have, and swapping the block with an MCW462-UHT for AMD systems, or MCW5002-T for Intel systems.

[Slickthellama]

Originally posted by NitroRat
What never heard that before, one of the best flow rates around.
You don't want yours I'll take it...

Naw, I sold it too a friend and bought a hydor l30. Never looked back.

[NitroRat]

5 amps is enough for some big ass fans

[Parradux]

Alright.

So a:

MCW5002-T will be better then a DDM4-1 attached with a 226 TEC?

Pump: MPC-600 If I cant get the aquarium

Rads: Should I run dual rads since i'am cooling a TEC? And what rads?

What for safety? I heard if the power supply fails, that the TEC's become extremely good insulators, and will fry your chip. What can I do to prevent this. Install Relay systems? If yes, where could I get those?

Thank you for your time

[NitroRat]

I'd strongly suggest the mcp-600 if you are even thinking about dual rads, it is the best pump with added blocks and rads and it runs on 12 volts.
For a rad you may want to consider making your own.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24203

[NitroRat]

oh and if you want to check one review on several pumps check this link, its missing the iwaki pump which is concidered one of the best...
http://www.procooling.com/articles/html/pump_comparison__-_phaestus__1.php

[Parradux]

Alright these are my parts so far:


MCP-600
2 Heatercores in parallel
1/2" Clearflex

Now for the block.

Should I use a maze4 with a 226 tec or go for the MCW5002-T?
Or should I just stick to watercooling with a rbx.

I want to OC, as much as I can. I can get this 2.4C to 3.6 on air alone at stock volts (M0) I want to see if I can hit 4ghz with a wc/tec setup.

[Slickthellama]

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[KnightElite]

My vote is for the MCW5000, assuming an intel CPU.

[sandman]

I agree on the swifty for Intel's.

[Parradux]

One last question before I go buy:

What will my expected temps be on the MCW5000 block?

[Slickthellama]

why not buy a maze 4-1 that way you will get subzero temps.

[Parradux]

Wont I get sub with the swiftech?

[Slickthellama]

i havent heard of it. But im sure it is possible. But my maze 4-1 is real world proof subzero temps are possible with M4-1

[KnightElite]

I am suggesting the swiftech block because of the ease of installation of the insulation that comes with it. It makes it substantially simpler to set up. As well, the TEC used in both blocks is similar. I have yet to see any TEC watercooled (no chilled) setup that can hit sub-zero ºC temperatures consistently on a CPU \ that is running 100% load. With 0% load, it is trivial to get a CPU to like -20ºC , but the extra load makes it much harder.

[Parradux]

So the swiftech in general will be able to hit the same temps unloaded as the maze4-1 combo?

[KnightElite]

I should think so, yes.

[NitroRat]

They are all right in there within a few degrees

[Hell-Fire]

I got the MCW462-UHT for Christmas and I must say its a work of art.

The pcitures of it dont do it justice. This is one finely crafted piece of hardware. It is heavy as he|| too. Alot of copper there, which is good.

You wont be disappointed with either the DDen or Swifty pelted blocks....but I recommend Swiftech.

Dont forget the importance of condensation proofing when setting up your tec rig. Nothing to be freaked out about....just precautions. Especially if you plan on leaving hte machine running 24/7 and unattended.

Not to mention it can be a good thing to keep all one manufacturer when building a water system as they first test out the components on whats in house. IE: buying a Swifty block virtually guarantees that the MCP600 will hit the max flow rates it is designed for, whereas other blocks can be more restrictive with flow.

If you plan on running heatercores in parallel, be sure they are identical heatercores.

[]JR[]

The only subzero tec setups with load ive seen without chilled water were mine, and bigsteves.

Both dual 172watters on early XP's, and when i say subzero were talking -1c or so.

With respect to blocks, Swifty wins hands down everytime the overall solution is much better.

]JR[