Gray Mole - Old issues

[Gray Mole]

So I'm putting this thread up to make sure I've dealt wiht everything.

Couple years back, went through divorce and all the stuff that goes with it, along with some fairly disillusioning deals that eventually added up to my getting out for a while.

Administering the Chilly1 fund, adding at least a grand of my own money into it, only to have it do no good at all (other than paying back a few of Reggie's old customers I guess) was among the worst it. Money's not really a big thing for me, but I guess I was idealistic enough to think I could help.

So, what I can remember...

Noobzed.

Was doing a pretty involved custom build. Was in constant contact, like 2 hours a day for months. the time in was way more than what was charged, but it was always about the build for me.

Cancelled when it was pretty close to done, but I refunded the cash he asked for and parts he wanted were sent. Then he wanted more. I gave up trying to make him happy.

Dimas.

I dealt with him here and there. All was fine. After an order that I'd paid for, he said I owed him another 100 euro that I know I didn't. Never ended up sending that. Alwasy bothered me.

Sssilencer and the cascade controllers.

Always regretted being the UK guy for him. I didn't mind fixing things, but being a waystation near the end meant I got blamed if something didn't come. I ordered the controllers that I got, but there were others and I think he was telling them they came to me. They didn't, along with another order of $700 US that I sent him for more controllers. I never publically posted about it. He was my friend as much as a supplier. I wrote that 700 off and even after that, I still hope he's doing well.

Pete.

That was a tough one, I was moving and going to sell him a bunch of stuff I wasn't taking. He was willing to send the cost of shipping. I wanted the works of what I was asking but he was hesitating. I found out he wasn't planning to pay anything else. (FYI Pete, if you're planning to rip somone off, don't tell the people he knows) So I didn't send him anything. I thought we were friends too, but I guess that was wrong.

Otherwise I thought I'd handled everything but I might be wrong. If I am, post here or send me a message or whatever. Like I said, that was a bad time and if I missed you, just tell me.

Gray

[maverik-sg1]

Hi Gray,

I remember when you were at the top of your game - awesome work.

I also remember when you were at the bottom of your game, tough times for all involved with a lot of financial implications.

As I recall you went totally AWOL leaving people on different forums (some of which don't bench anymore, issues with you added to those people pulling out).

Because of what's happened in the past, I can't help thinking that the trust is gone and becuase of that, you probably shouldn't be looking for work in the community.

My point is that things have moved on, there are established people with excellent reputations that do a great job for the overclocking community.

Having said that, as you stated, if the hobbiest in you has regained interest in the 'phase game' then having you around as the voice of experience and guidance was never a bad thing and it's probably what you do best without adding financial risk to others.

just my 2c

[Dimas]

So I'm putting this thread up to make sure I've dealt wiht everything.

Couple years back, went through divorce and all the stuff that goes with it, along with some fairly disillusioning deals that eventually added up to my getting out for a while.

Administering the Chilly1 fund, adding at least a grand of my own money into it, only to have it do no good at all (other than paying back a few of Reggie's old customers I guess) was among the worst it. Money's not really a big thing for me, but I guess I was idealistic enough to think I could help.

So, what I can remember...

Noobzed.

Was doing a pretty involved custom build. Was in constant contact, like 2 hours a day for months. the time in was way more than what was charged, but it was always about the build for me.

Cancelled when it was pretty close to done, but I refunded the cash he asked for and parts he wanted were sent. Then he wanted more. I gave up trying to make him happy.

Dimas.

I dealt with him here and there. All was fine. After an order that I'd paid for, he said I owed him another 100 euro that I know I didn't. Never ended up sending that. Alwasy bothered me.

Sssilencer and the cascade controllers.

Always regretted being the UK guy for him. I didn't mind fixing things, but being a waystation near the end meant I got blamed if something didn't come. I ordered the controllers that I got, but there were others and I think he was telling them they came to me. They didn't, along with another order of $700 US that I sent him for more controllers. I never publically posted about it. He was my friend as much as a supplier. I wrote that 700 off and even after that, I still hope he's doing well.

Pete.

That was a tough one, I was moving and going to sell him a bunch of stuff I wasn't taking. He was willing to send the cost of shipping. I wanted the works of what I was asking but he was hesitating. I found out he wasn't planning to pay anything else. (FYI Pete, if you're planning to rip somone off, don't tell the people he knows) So I didn't send him anything. I thought we were friends too, but I guess that was wrong.

Otherwise I thought I'd handled everything but I might be wrong. If I am, post here or send me a message or whatever. Like I said, that was a bad time and if I missed you, just tell me.

Gray

Hello Gray, nice to hear you...and nice to see that you're still active, i hope you're well now, i think that coming here after 3 years, saying that you're bothered about money that you had to give is not soo fair, from my side after 3 years, i think that i don't have to care about that...

at beginning i did do my best to help phase guys around europe, making some custom case, making some standard case, paints, ecc..ecc...and all of the time, i was doing this for passion, and sometime happens that some of this guys become more than a guy, but a good friend...very difficult to say for maybe a people that probably you will never meet in your life, but i can call em friends...and sometime happened that i give credit to em, becouse i was thinking that there can be some continus deals with this called "friends"...so i didn't care a lot about being paid in all, when i was sending goods, parts etc...after the shipment, i was just waiting that the guys did the job with pats, and when get paid, they should had to pay me...

the only guy that rip me was pazza316 (not only me, also another guy) and i never thougt that you Gray were ripping me...i was knowing that you was not going through a good period...this happened to me too in last periods, so i can understand...

i don't have time now, to go, search for paypal payment, search for pms, search for msn talks...this will be more costly than 100€, so i prefer to have a good virtual image of you and the past period that we had, and i hope you're well and this will last for long time.

take care
Andrea

[yngndrw]

Administering the Chilly1 fund, adding at least a grand of my own money into it, only to have it do no good at all (other than paying back a few of Reggie's old customers I guess) was among the worst it. Money's not really a big thing for me, but I guess I was idealistic enough to think I could help.
Hey, paying back some of the money that people lost is not "doing no good at all", far from it in fact. Don't ever feel bad about your good intentions.

[Tetrafluorometh]

Pete has asked me to post this

Gray - You had £100 off Pete and nothing was delivered. Tim sent you £100 via Paypal and you then went and left the UK! I'd of check the true facts of what Pete was really doing but the words i have been told was he was very upset and hurt when you had obscoundered back states side. I was with him when he made a few calls to the ex wife and your old flat!

Mail him pjalchemist @ aol . com

[Gray Mole]

Dimas

Only reason I'm bringing any of this stuff up is to clear the air. Make sure that if anyone has anything to say, it happens now.

I brought yours up because I wanted to include anything I could think of at the time. Definitely not to mud up your name. You were always great, but that surprise charge came at a time when I was pretty broke, and in a way that just drove another nail in.

However, if the euros mean a lot to you, I would give them to you, whether I'm sure or not. You were always great.

Hey Mav.

Don't mean to be cold, but I don't really get you posting here. I seem to remember you resenting me from back when I pulled out of Phil's business. I always liked you, so I hope you're not having a dig because of that. I was never much for money, always felt uncomfortable being part of that gig.

Oh, and I don't do commercial work, or custom builds anymore. No desire to. Doing builds for others got me thinking 'pretty' but also sucked the fun right out of it. I may sell some of the projects I do now, but only because I don't really use them.

Im not looking for a battle, or advice for that matter. I'm just a phase geek.

Pete

I talked a lot with you. Sent stuff you needed, rarely even asked for money. If I was selling something and you wanted it, you got it for less than I'd be asking, and often free.

Hell, I thought we were friends, or at least close. Tried to help you with builds, stuff like that.

When I found out you weren't planning to actually pay for all that stuff, just the cost of shipping (a full pallet of phase parts) that hurt. I was mad, sure, but more hurt than anything.

And no, I won't mention who I talked to. I know what you're like about making stuff up about people, attacking them. I promised to keep it to myself. So I will. I was moving overseas, desperate for cash, selling 2k worth of stuff and asking 500 for it, and you want to burn me? Talk about kicking a guy when he's down.

That pallet of stuff probably went to a landfill. Might still be stored there if my ex didn't get it dumped. Not sure, don't care. Rather set it on fire than send it to you.

You have my email Pete. After I sent you a message about the fact that you had no intention of paying for the stuff, and you didn't message back, I figured that was the end of it.

Gray

[Dimas]

Dimas

Only reason I'm bringing any of this stuff up is to clear the air. Make sure that if anyone has anything to say, it happens now.

I brought yours up because I wanted to include anything I could think of at the time. Definitely not to mud up your name. You were always great, but that surprise charge came at a time when I was pretty broke, and in a way that just drove another nail in.

However, if the euros mean a lot to you, I would give them to you, whether I'm sure or not. You were always great.

Gray

Hei Gray, take it easy...i don't care about euros for this, as told, i did knew your situation after some time, and for my side, i was happy to deal with you and i hope to be able on meet you one time in life, that period we passed all together helping each other, with suggestions, freely speacks and spending time in experiencing in a field unknow was good...i prefer to have this as remember, not a discussion for some euros...

take care Gray

[maverik-sg1]

Hey Gray,

I was not referring to business (was never even involved with the business between you and Phil EPUK) what happened there was before the rest of the bad stuff that followed prior to your disappearance.

I was referring more over individuals (stocky and alike) who no longer bench or troll the Overclocking forums.

So for me it's not personal or cold (I always enjoyed our conversations of the past).

Of all the 'bad' things of the past - In your defence reference Pete (pjalchem) - I would urge people not to waste energy giving him any attention....nuff said.

[Tetrafluorometh]

Gray you took £100 of Pete's money and then listened to others as to speaking to him directly. I'm only passing messages between you both as it's theft and fraud what you did to him!

[RyderOCZ]

Gray you took £100 of Pete's money and then listened to others as to speaking to him directly. I'm only passing messages between you both as it's theft and fraud what you did to him!Stop "posting messages for Pete" and let Pete talk directly to Gray if they so desire. Your opinion is completely irrelevant in this case.

[[XC] riptide]

Stop "posting messages for Pete" and let Pete talk directly to Gray if they so desire. Your opinion is completely irrelevant in this case.

Pete's banned (IIRC) Carry on...

[GeorgeStorm]

As far as I'm aware Pete's a massive scammer, and has been banned from every forum I have seen him on
I've seen his handy work, and it's dreadful, making things worse than they were to start with.

[sdumper]

Petes name is crap around here and its damn good to have you back!! I for one look forward to picking your brain for ideas.

[runmc]

riptide;4600420']Pete's banned (IIRC) Carry on...

Exactly - let's keep this thread on topic.

[Gray Mole]

Sorry guys, couple 'days off' from it.

Dredging up old news carries the old pain with it. In a way it's part of what held me back, since not only for my sake, but for everyone else sometimes letting it lay is just better for everyone. Maybe it'd be better if I'd stayed dead. Who knows.

I'll deal with Pete myself, and that's one thing I haven't wanted to do. I'm not big on conflict. Same time though, don't like backing down from it. I'll deal directly with him though. Sorry I brought it here. The issue was brought up to me as one I should deal with openly, and in a way I guess that's how anything should be.

Stocky, is he still around? Would like to ask him about things, because I was told those issues were taken care of and if he wasn't taken care of then I will. Mav, if you can get me an email or something, or a way to message him, I'd appreciate it. I need to find out what happened to that situation. Don't want to get into it here 'til I find out where that went. Hope you understand.

So my short list of people to work things out with are pete (not here, and Tetra, I'll message him), Potentially Stocky, and Dimas (I'll never feel right with the world unless I do it, just gimme a bit and I'll transfer something into paypal and it's yours. things like that haunt me like crazy, especially b/w friends)


Otherwise, is there anyone else? Once this is done and dealt with I just want to feel 'free' of it. Having things hang over you like a cloud makes it hard to feel like part of the place. Best times of my life were R&D right here in the cooling forum. Won't feel completely right about that until this cloud's gone.

Gray

[fatty]

Well I just think its great seeing you around again Grey :up:
Thats my 2 cents

[quintus]

Well I just think its great seeing you around again Grey :up:

+1

Welcome back:up:!!!

[girth_maul]

@ Grey - may experience with you left me so disillusioned that I gave up sub zero overclocking, and still haven't gone back to it in 2 years. When I began I had a working phase unit that was working fine (ironically built by pazza316). By the end I had a badly modded lian-li v2000 with a non-working system that I had no way of fixing as you went to Canada. The first time you sent the unit, you had changed my compressor for a far inferior unit. When it came back a second time, falling to bits, and not working you said you would send me another working unit as compensation. Then you went offline and went to Canada. What an utter waste of money and time on my part! I was polite and professional throughout, but anyway...

* rant over *

This issue is closed for me now and in the past, but I think it should be public knowledge. I hope things are improving for you Grey, but I think it would be better if you never put yourself and others through this kind of thing again.

[Dimas]

dear Gray, as already told, i don't care about that money...if you want to do a good thing, give em to a local found for helping Homeless or children, or to Haiti earthquake founds, this way will work pretty well...consider our situation closed, let's continue from where we was...when i'll find time to talk on msn or other thing related...

take care
Andrea

[Gray Mole]

@ Grey - may experience with you left me so disillusioned that I gave up sub zero overclocking, and still haven't gone back to it in 2 years. When I began I had a working phase unit that was working fine (ironically built by pazza316). By the end I had a badly modded lian-li v2000 with a non-working system that I had no way of fixing as you went to Canada. The first time you sent the unit, you had changed my compressor for a far inferior unit. When it came back a second time, falling to bits, and not working you said you would send me another working unit as compensation. Then you went offline and went to Canada. What an utter waste of money and time on my part! I was polite and professional throughout, but anyway...

* rant over *

This issue is closed for me now and in the past, but I think it should be public knowledge. I hope things are improving for you Grey, but I think it would be better if you never put yourself and others through this kind of thing again.

I'm trying to remember the unit but I can't entirely.

I think I remember talking to you about increasing performance, and using a larger compressor that was louder than you wanted. An MP14 if memory serves. Nothing inferior if it was that one, just louder.

For some reason I can't remember a v2k mod for the life of me. Don't doubt your word, just can't seem to get it in my head.

At the time I remember a lot of bad controllers though. Seemed like they all failed and in the end, my last order from Ssilencer never came.

Not that I'd say anyone wasn't being honest, but I was pretty good with the V2k mods. Maybe that's why I can't remember it, but I can't find a thread for it, thought I would have made one.

If your situation slipped through then I am sorry. That's part of why I posted this thread. So if there was anyone I missed when I was going through, well, what I went through, I could sort it out.

Can you remind me of more of the details? Here, PM, doesn't matter which. The last bit of time in the UK wasn't so great, so there's a bunch of stuff I just can't seem to remember so clearly I guess.



Gray

[girth_maul]

It was exactly as I previously wrote, 100% I'll Pm you, as I've said my piece and see this as something in the past.

[Gray Mole]

Got your pm, and remember as much as it states now but just can't see the unit(s) in my head. Unusual, I normally remember every one of them when I get a few details.

Just the v2k's were something I spent a pretty lengthy time getting 100%. Any chance you'd still have a picture or 2 of it? Bugging me that I can't see it, though not really your problem.

I don't do custom work at all for anyone now. Not so much because of past issues, or even forum rules, just that when you do that stuff, and it's not exactly what someone wants, it can turn pretty sour. Had my share of sour.

I just (very) occasionally sell something I've built if I have time to build, which lately (being off work) I have.

But am very sorry that things went the way they did, apologised for it before and probably will need to again. At times I wonder if coming back to XS isn't a mistake, probably better off here without my being around, I'm just bringing back bad news with me. I'll have to think about that, maybe I should just leave it and stay that way.

Plenty of other guys here that can help out in the phase forum.

Anyways, I'll reread your pm, see if I can remember all the details and what unit/units they were and go from there. Will pm back tomorrow.


Gray

[Gray Mole]

dear Gray, as already told, i don't care about that money...if you want to do a good thing, give em to a local found for helping Homeless or children, or to Haiti earthquake founds, this way will work pretty well...consider our situation closed, let's continue from where we was...when i'll find time to talk on msn or other thing related...

take care
Andrea

Thanks Andrea, though there's no such thing as 'going back'.

Things are different, I'm different. More and less than what I was.

Appreciate the message though, but like I said, guess I should probably think a while on whether I really belong.



Gray

[runmc]

@ Grey - may experience with you left me so disillusioned that I gave up sub zero overclocking, and still haven't gone back to it in 2 years. When I began I had a working phase unit that was working fine (ironically built by pazza316). By the end I had a badly modded lian-li v2000 with a non-working system that I had no way of fixing as you went to Canada. The first time you sent the unit, you had changed my compressor for a far inferior unit. When it came back a second time, falling to bits, and not working you said you would send me another working unit as compensation. Then you went offline and went to Canada. What an utter waste of money and time on my part! I was polite and professional throughout, but anyway...

* rant over *

This issue is closed for me now and in the past, but I think it should be public knowledge. I hope things are improving for you Grey, but I think it would be better if you never put yourself and others through this kind of thing again.


dear Gray, as already told, i don't care about that money...if you want to do a good thing, give em to a local found for helping Homeless or children, or to Haiti earthquake founds, this way will work pretty well...consider our situation closed, let's continue from where we was...when i'll find time to talk on msn or other thing related...

take care
Andrea


It was exactly as I previously wrote, 100% I'll Pm you, as I've said my piece and see this as something in the past.


Got your pm, and remember as much as it states now but just can't see the unit(s) in my head. Unusual, I normally remember every one of them when I get a few details.

Just the v2k's were something I spent a pretty lengthy time getting 100%. Any chance you'd still have a picture or 2 of it? Bugging me that I can't see it, though not really your problem.

I don't do custom work at all for anyone now. Not so much because of past issues, or even forum rules, just that when you do that stuff, and it's not exactly what someone wants, it can turn pretty sour. Had my share of sour.

I just (very) occasionally sell something I've built if I have time to build, which lately (being off work) I have.

But am very sorry that things went the way they did, apologised for it before and probably will need to again. At times I wonder if coming back to XS isn't a mistake, probably better off here without my being around, I'm just bringing back bad news with me. I'll have to think about that, maybe I should just leave it and stay that way.

Plenty of other guys here that can help out in the phase forum.

Anyways, I'll reread your pm, see if I can remember all the details and what unit/units they were and go from there. Will pm back tomorrow.


Gray


Thanks Andrea, though there's no such thing as 'going back'.

Things are different, I'm different. More and less than what I was.

Appreciate the message though, but like I said, guess I should probably think a while on whether I really belong.



Gray

It is best to keep this public so we can see if it's being resolved, which is mandatory for things to carry on as they are now.
Ron

[Gray Mole]

I can see (and appreciate) why he'd send that message in PM. Contained mostly private and banking details.

Can't repost it here, but he is welcome to post the same details. Would prefer the more personal ones don't get a public posting.

Still can't remember a V2K though. I remember a black unit, originally a Pazza unit with Chilly1 parts and some really bad wiring.

Also remember discussing options for higher load, ending up with a larger MP14B in it (I think)

I think I remember you hated the noise level, and there was something else, but being a while back, finer details are fuzzy.

But the V2K I can't remember at all :( Do you have pics? Did you actually end up with a unit in the end at all? Was it a V2K in the end?

Is it a unit you still have? Is it still broken and if so, what were the actual problems with it?

I'm just trying to work out where things were actually at when it got left. Try to figure out what I'd need to do to make it right.

I get the impression you don't actually even want me to do anything, and just wanted people to know what happened.

Hopefully there is actually something I can do to make this right, though I know sometimes there just isn't.


Gray

[Knight203]

This is really none of my business but as to you leaving XS. You making this thread shows (to me) a lot about your character. Your willingness to fix some thing that you may have done in the past reflects very well on you. You seem like a really knowledgeable and nice guy, I for one would like you to stick around.

[Gray Mole]

This is really none of my business but as to you leaving XS. You making this thread shows (to me) a lot about your character. Your willingness to fix some thing that you may have done in the past reflects very well on you. You seem like a really knowledgeable and nice guy, I for one would like you to stick around.

I may not know you, or have built for you or anything, but you have no idea how nice it is to (occasionally) hear something like that.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back, bit old to be asking for someone to pat me on the head and say 'good job' :rolleyes: but hearing something positive is nice sometimes.

So thank you :)

Hope that at least on occasion, my being active in the phase/cooling sections is at least a little bit helpful. Otherwise there really is no point in my being around XS. Kind of all I'm really good for these days.

Gray

[noobzed]

How Gray can be a nice guy or good person, don't know the word, if there is at least 5 to 6 people ( or more ? ) that have problem with him ?

[Gray Mole]

From what I can see, other than noobzed who has a thread of his own and has been paid, I can see only one other person of interest that I may be able to resolve.

Stocky has been mentioned and I can't seem to contact him. I was hoping that MaverickSG1 would be able to assist, or that another forum might help me find him, but no luck so far.

Stocky purchased Ssilencer's unit, the really pretty one, and as a favour to Ssilencer I offered to install a compressor into it to save shipping costs. I didn't charge Stocky or Ssilencer for that.

Ssilencer wasn't happy that I was changing the Evap on it from the @itor evap, but Stocky wanted an easier mount. Not really my problem, but I didn't charge for that either.

The problem was that the controller was having issues, first a bad display, then the board itself.

I sent the board to Sssilencer for repair, and it never came back.

I also ordered 5 more basic controllers and one 4 sensor version. They never came, 700us gone and never to be seen. Mariano had issues at the time. I forgive that.

In the end, discussing with Ssilencer the problems, I was told he was contacting Stocky about refunding or working that out. I never got paid for anything I was doing with that, and didn't chase it much afterwards.

I was informed that Stocky never received anything. I wish I'd known back then, but assumed it would be handled.

So I would like to be able to discuss that with Stocky. If there is any way to reach him after this much time.

Oh, and Noobzed, if your plan is to troll any and every thread that I am in, you will eventually find that my ability to ignore you outweighs your ability to post.

Other than Stocky I don't know who else I need to try to contact.

Again, if there is anyone that I actually DO owe to, or missed, please feel free to post or PM or however you feel most comfortable in doing so.


Gray

[noobzed]

u and ssilencer make me think about an association of thugs, really ...

[Gray Mole]

u and ssilencer make me think about an association of thugs, really ...

I lost quite a bit when Mariano pulled out of things. I was able to forgive him that, since before that we were pretty good friends.

Since I paid you back all that you gave me, and charged you nothing for the work that I did, maybe you should try it too.

If you want the @itor heads that much, just pay me for the work of brazing them and the flexible lines they are installed onto and the shipping cost to send them to you.

Otherwise, I don't seem to remember Mariano doing anything to you, or taking anything from you other than the price of what you ordered and he sent to you, so why are you badmouthing him too?


Gray

[noobzed]

I want nothing from you nor Mariano, the crap-man, see in this forum section how many times he is in conflict with other ppl ... just my 2 cents ... some ppl are magnet of problem, think about it.

[Gray Mole]

Yes, I AM certainly and very keenly aware that I seem to be a magnet for problems.

So now you say I don't need to send you anything. Should I imply from that statement that I don't owe you anything?

If so, then why are you posting?

Now I'm curious, what exactly did Mariano (aka Ssilencer) do to you that warrants calling him names? I understand that there are people that lost out, myself included, by his actions but you aren't one of them, are you?

I lost a lot of money to the problems with controllers, and in the end to unfilled orders with him, and I can forgive him and would (if I had the pleasure of meeting him) shake his hand. If he didn't actually wrong you personally, why the hate? Or is it just more lashing out for...well whatever reason you've come up with that you feel the need to lash out? If someone that actually did end up losing a lot to him can honestly say he's forgiven, then why can't you, someone that didn't?

You were hard work when I was trying to build for you, hard work when I was trying to compensate you for not building for you, now you're hard work when you say that there's nothing I need to do to compensate you for not building for you.

It brings up a point though. Apart from posting endlessly in the 'builder relations' section about myself and others that actually had nothing to do with you, what exactly have you posted that benefits XS in general? Have you ever posted in any useful or helpful way?

Maybe it would be a good time to start.

Gray

[noobzed]

YEs, I did a liquid cooling worklog with a lian li a05, you can search it, it was benefical for few ppl that was inspired by it.

[Gray Mole]

I saw it Sebastian.

Have you ever found someone asking a question or needing help with something and tried to assist with it? Do you peruse the sections, especially where you particulars skills may be useful, and look to see if anyone might need some help?

Because I've looked, and I can see you showing off the things you have and the projects you do, and at times bullying and chasing those you feel may deserve it (whether they have personally affected you or not) but I just don't see you trying to make a positive impact. If I'm wrong about you, then time will show it.

I gave until it hurt, and then you've done nothing but kick me when I'm down. Is that the sort of person you are, or am I just lucky that way?

I didn't come back for personal gain, and I didn't come back entirely because I wanted to try to pay back anything I might owe either. If I never get back the access to the classified section it won't be the reason I leave, if I ever do again.

The thing I missed most was spending time in the phase section, along with a few others when I can be useful, and help out when I can. Post what may be useful threads of builds that have some information or methods that people might find useful in their own work.

It brings me back to the point at hand, though. If you're now saying that I don't need to pay or send you anything. Willing to admit that the build was really done other than a few minor points that really had little to do with me and more to do with what you might want, and that paying you what I did (which was actually what you paid me) was pretty fair, considering, then why do you still want to call me a thief? Why is it that you're still so angry when I did give you a refund when others might not, and outright probably would not have after being so close to completion?

I'm not asking for or offering an apology, I just want this particular issue over with. Can you just say it is and we can both go on with things without such hard feelings and just stop being enemies?

I hope so.


Gray

[Gray Mole]

So I'd finally gathered enough into Paypal to send Dimas the 100euro.

I'd said before, I didn't think I actually had owed him that since it was after the order had been filled but it'd been paid. Andreas was good to deal with and was pretty sure that it was owing. So that's over with.

I don't know if he'll post to confirm, I'm not posting his paypal details in an open forum, however.


Gray

[Gray Mole]

For the record and since I returned to XS, I sold 2 phase change units in the classified section of XS before access was removed.

One to MK-Ultra, and one to Linuxfan. The one to MK-Ultra has been received. The one to Linuxfan is on the way.

In total I only received 250us in actual cash, the other part of the deals being in trade value.

The money was used for shipping, giving Dimas 100euro/135us, and giving XS 25US for the 'paid subscription' thing because I thought it would be nice to support it/Fugger.

I cross shipped for the trade, received a graphics card (Xmas gift to my brother) and the other was old phase units in need of TLC (not yet received)

Just in case there were any questions what I'd done, what I might have gotten, and what was done with it.

My intention of use with the cash from selling anything in the classified section was to use it to try to deal with anything that may be outstanding if cash was received.

Now that my access has been removed that will be more awkward with respect to phase units (since XS is the place to be able to sell them) but not impossible, and will still do what I'd said with giving back anything I may owe, and tracking down anyone I may owe it to.


I hope that may clarify things, in case there were any doubts.


Gray

[mk-ultra]

i can't comment the past issues, but i guess i can share my experience

i had no idea about those things involving graymole before a few days ago and before buying one of his unit
I brought his fugly cased until(just kidding gray :D ) and he's been real good to me in the transaction.
He gave me the impression to be a good guy and being very knowledgeable about building such units.

Knowing all this before trading with him would have made me hesitate for sure but not a bad thing to say about MY transaction with him.

[Dimas]

got the money Gray, also if i told you several time to do some else with that...
i'm waiting for your address via PM, i don't know if your old one is still valid..
pls let me know

thanks
Andrea

[Gray Mole]

Don't hold back, MK. It's Fugly. I can't deny it.

Spending so many hours and ending up with a Fugly case though, that's just embarrassing :p: Glad it works for you. Glad you got it. Appreciate you posting too, thanks :)

Dimas, I'd planned since it came up to send it to you, whatever the background with it.

You don't need to send me anything. I just wanted it square if it wasn't.

What I want, really, is just this, and any other issues that may be out there to be dealt with.

Real ones, not someone popping in, saying that I owe them, and disappearing without any resolution. Neither am I interested in throwing more money at someone I already paid and dealt with, because they're still upset that they didn't 'get their way' or something.

Girth Maul posted and sent a PM with some financial details, but didn't stay or respond about where it ended up (because it's really and issue that I can't remember how it was resolved, whether he ended up with a unit(he'd said he actually recieved a replacement he didn't like, after the initial mod he didn't like)) so I can't really call that ongoing because it takes two parties for that.

So as I see it, there really is only Stocky that I know of that I don't know about. I don't know if Mariano/Ssilencer did anything for him, whether he ever got that controller repaired that was meant to be for his unit, or anything about it.

So if no one else comes in, there is only one issue left, and that is Stocky.

Other issues were paid, or dealt with, or are being dismissed or ignored by the people involved.

Other that some that are claiming issues that were dealt with, just not quite as fairly (ie getting more than they paid) or being untruthful about the details of the agreements and I'm not going to do much about that unless they can actually prove what, if anything, I'm supposed to do for them.

On the surface that may sound somewhat harsh, but I'm coming to realise that there are those who can be reasonable and honest about what happened and what was done, and others that seem only to want to pick at scabs for the sake of it and can never be satisfied with anything I do to make good.

So once I've found (if I can) Stocky and found out what happened, I think it may be everyone that needs to be dealt with.

Gray

[GeorgeStorm]

I don't really get what's happened here
You just got banned from the FS section? For what? Or do you mean that when you got banned ages ago or whatever?

[Gray Mole]

Oh, no I'd never actually been cut off of the Classified section before, until now.

That's a matter for Admins though. I don't really want to post anything here, since that's sort of a private 'admin thing' and it's more up to them to post, if anything, about reasons.

Besides, it wasn't really clarified to me, but at one time I was a mod in the phase forum, so I understand and respect the system and the people running it. Tough job.

I only posted that I had been because it's kind of relevant to the issue at hand.

Seeing as you're over at BT though, you wouldn't happen to know Stocky, or if he's still around in the UK scene?

Gray

[kitfit1]

@ Gray, i have a mobile phone number for Andrew (stocky). It is 2 years old though, so may not be current.
PM me if you want it.

[Gray Mole]

Pm sent and got it thanks :)

[runmc]

I don't really get what's happened here
You just got banned from the FS section? For what? Or do you mean that when you got banned ages ago or whatever?

I will give an explanation on this since everyone wants to be so open.
Gray Mole left here and dropped out of site with some unfinished business and some unhappy customers. When Gray decided to come back to XtremeSystems about a month ago he sent me PM telling me he wanted to get involved with the Phase Section and XS as a whole. Knowing the situation with him and his customers when he left, I started a thread in Administration letting everyone know what was up. Some of the Admin didn't even want to let him come back. We decided to let him try to get things square with his past customers.
When Gray came back to XS he told me, and mentioned in posts, that he didn't intend to sell units. He said he was building for the fun. Gray built two units and posted them up in the Phase section and then turned around and listed them in classifieds. The reason he lost his classified access now and not sooner was because I (we) didn't think he was going to be selling his builds. As he get's his past business squared away he may get his access back. That is to be determined at a latter date.
For the records, Gray was always a respected member here before he left unexpectedly.
I would appreciate it if we could cut the drama and continue to get the business at hand taken care of. In my opinion Administration has handled this situation in a patient and considerate manner.
This thread is actually for Gray Mole and his customers that he's getting squared up with.
thank you :)

[Gray Mole]

Aw heck Ron, it was your idea to keep everything open :D

Thanks though for clarifying :) appreciate it.

I didn't think there'd be an issue with selling a cooler after I was done with it, being in line with the newer policy on only selling something that's done and built and ready to be sent (as opposed to offering custom stuff/prebuild deposits), no different than any other item you might want to sell in the classified section. I should have asked first though, in hindsight, sorry about that.

I AM building for the fun of it now, not taking on any kind of orders for any kind of custom work (I keep saying that, not really because any past issues, but more because I want to make sure people know it and don't start PMing asking about custom jobs. I just don't do that anymore) but when I'm done with a build it either sits here, or I end up selling it. Anything I do sell in future will be elsewhere though, I won't do it here again unless you give the OK for that.

So yeah, it's good to have it clear for everyone, not just me. I hope you guys didn't think I'd posted it with the intention of saying it's unfair or that there should be any drama behind it, only that it was done, and if there were any people that thought it shoud be done to know that it is, if that makes any sense at all :D

So I have Stocky's number, will try it today and see if it works. Being the last potential issue that I'm aware of I'd like to see it sorted out if I can.

Hoping that after that I've tied up the loose ends there were.


Gray

[Nathanial]

Hello RonDMC :D

I believe it will be fair to let Mr Mole have his access back. Reason being; it wasn't his fault that he went missing unexpectedly, he has also had a valid reason for whats happened.

He's also said he's not taking on ANY "custom work" & I believe so.

After all this forums phase section wouldn't have been where it is or the same if it wasn't for Gray's inspiring builds as I think and know alot of builders have learned a trick or two from him.

If he's building for fun and having these powerful unit's sitting around doing nothing! he should be allowed to sell them and help the community don't you think?

Even if he had a "finished unit" for sale it will also be more convenient for those in your country wanting such cooling whilst not having to worry about shipping units from miles outta the range or waiting on other builders whom may not have the time etc right?..

I don't know him personally but he seems like a really nice person for what I see not forgetting all the things he's been through! but he's still come back to show his face and payback the community from whats gone bad.
I don't know of anyone else doing that do you? that just shows what kind of person he is.

He's a kool dude & deserves his privileges back no matter what happened in the past.

I stand by Gray. :up:

[Gray Mole]

It's really sweet of you to say that, Nat :) Whether it makes any difference in the matter or not, it's nice to have someone rally behind you :)

But the decision is fair and it's pretty likely that if I do what I say I'll do, and take care of people that I should, then it'll probably happen.

There has to be consequences for actions and I know that I made mistakes whether they were intentional or not, it's just what they were.

Besides, it's not really that big an issue :) and I don't want to drag anyone into it. In a way I kind of wish I hadn't mentioned it, but it seemed like I should?

And I tend to just say what's going on, sometimes without thinking about what that might do. Not that I can't keep my trap shut :D just that I don't see much of anything as being a big deal, though the Prozac really helps that way too ;)

Cheers though Nat :)

Gray

Ps. Hope it's ok to go with Nat, I'm pretty lazy that way

[dylskee]

I have never had any dealings with you Gray Mole but I found myself reading this entire thread and I have to say it takes a lot of guts to come back here and try to make amends! Everyone deserves a second chance and you seem to have a lot of back bone and heart and it's good to see that people want to make things right. This is a good way to kick off a new year, I wish you well and welcome back! :up:
/thread jack

[closeracing]

Gray you are one of the most knowledgable and helpful people I've met on any forum. I hope we haven't seen the last of you

[Gray Mole]

Sorry, hope I didn't make anyone think I'd run away.

Had an old friend die on me :(

He was only a month older than me too. Seems like a lot of my old friends have moved on. I always thought I'd be one of the first to go. Hit's you pretty hard when it's someone you really like.

Appreciate the comments though. Nice to feel needed sometimes.


Gray

[zsamz_]

grey sold me a little unit a month ago and i gotta say i liked dealing with him
shipping cost him 40$ more than he actually quoted me and he paid it out of his own pocket
i feel lucky that he's in canada :yepp:

thanks grey:up:

[dazboots]

Welcome Back Grey Mole long time no see :)

[Tetrafluorometh]

Stocky moved out the UK back home! Last he said to me on MSN

[maverik-sg1]

Stocky moved out the UK back home! Last he said to me on MSN

That's fatty who moved back home, not Stocky :rofl: Stocky remains in cambridge, we just can't get hold of him - he got married and as far as the community is concerned, he has retired.

Just like to say, I had my reservations about Gray when he came back, but what he is doing to right the wrong's of the past, not many people would even bother - for that, I take my hat off to you.

PS: Tetrafluorometh, you have just gotta be pjalchemist!! - the whole community must know and the jokes on you :ROTF:

[Stocky]

First up, Hi Gray and all! :cool:


Stocky moved out the UK back home! Last he said to me on MSN

1) You're not on my MSN

2) The UK happens to be my home (although more holidays away would always be appreciated)


...he got married and as far as the community is concerned, he has retired.

Mav is partially correct, I got married, a house, a new job, and the rest that comes with it; but I am far too young to retire from benching! (although I have had what turned out to be an extended break)

I will pm GM in just a mo, regarding his return and my ssilencer unit.

[FtW]

Mole, are you still in the phase building biz? Tried to send a PM but your message box is overflowing & it won't let me...

[Gray Mole]

Sorry FtW, I sent you a PM about things, and cleared out the box a little. My inbox was full when my subscription ran out, and I haven't gotten to renewing it yet.

It's a somewhat complicated answer, really, but yes I do still build units. My approach is far less tactical these days though. I build when it suits me, especially if there is a new technique I'd like to try, or some kind of unusual project that is worth pursuing from a R&D point of view.

I don't really feel comfortable offering any kind of custom project work, unless I can afford to completely build something and then offer it to either a general audience, or the person who expressed interest. Offering custom work for prepaid deposits isn't allowed on XS for good reason, but beyond that I just don't like that approach anymore.

There have been too many instances where pressure or issues have caused delays, or the work has been incompatible with the 'customer wishes' and I don't like the idea of anyone feeling slighted.

I build things, then if I feel like they are something that would be of use to anyone, I may put them up for sale, but most of the time I just build them and they sit on a shelf until I feel I've gained enough experience to improve upon previous design.

I work as an AC&R tech, repairs/installs/diagnostics. All the jobs that the other guys tend to hate and/or avoid. Keeps my brain active, and allows me to remain just as antisocial as the day I was born (since for the most part, there's no one to ask for help and I prefer to work alone)

So I don't much (if at all) post to the classified section here even if I do have units collecting dust. More often than not I just wait until someone contacts me to ask about things, or just advice about what's out there and the topic comes up. Building units 'for profit' just isn't of much interest anymore.

I tend not to post much in the Phase Change forum anymore either and I apologise to those that could use help or advice, even though there are still some that help out when needed. If I am around and see someone that could use guidance and isn't getting it, I'll PM them to offer what knowledge I can. I even fixed up one of Ron's units that was 'FedExified' (aka mangled beyond belief) and it was nice for a change.

On that note it was good to see that Ron is/was/maybe still using some of the recommended 'tweaks' I'd mentioned before. He's always done great work, and this one was very easy to tune and gave the best result of any unit I've repaired/reworked that another builder made.

But the Phase Forum was a bit hard to come back to the last time around and I think it's just best to stay in the shadows, helping when I can or if no one else is able to.

I hope that explains things and doesn't make anyone uncomfortable. I'll be around here and there for as long as I'm not banned or anything, and I'll always be in air conditioning and refrigeration since that's my career, and pretty much all I'm good at. But I don't think I'll ever play the role I used to in the forum. There's just not really a place for me there anymore.

There I go, writing the usual 'Novel' that I'm 'famous' for. At least everyone could tell if someone hacked my account, no one in their right mind would bother.

'Answer this question in 3 lines or less'....

I doubt it.

Cheers everyone

Gray