Athlon II Neo K125 vs. Atom N450

[SArd]

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More info here:
http://www.3dnews.ru/news/Athlon-II-Neo-K125--netbuk-stanovitsya-bistree/

[Manicdan]

translated:
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[eric66]

superpi always favors intel for some reason

[Manicdan]

superpi always favors intel for some reason

im pretty sure thats a "lower is better" chart

[Andi64]

The Pineview is getting raped. But what about power consumption?

[MrMojoZ]

im pretty sure thats a "lower is better" chart

Nah, that graph shows how delicious the Super-Pie is. The Atom is twice as delicious according to my estimates.



Also, this review leaves out the important power usage stats needed to make this comparison useful. We already know the Atom is slow, but how much extra battery life is it going to give us vs the Neo?

[Manicdan]

says in the article "The level of TDP - 12 Tues Обеспечитает работу Athlon II Neo K325 чипсет AMD M880G с интегрированной графикой Mobility Radeon HD 4225. Obespechitaet work Athlon II Neo K325 AMD M880G chipset with integrated graphics Mobility Radeon HD 4225"

[eric66]

Nah, that graph shows how delicious the Super-Pie is. The Atom is twice as delicious according to my estimates.



Also, this review leaves out the important power usage stats needed to make this comparison useful. We already know the Atom is slow, but how much extra battery life is it going to give us vs the Neo?
official site says 18 watt or something for amd

[eric66]

im pretty sure thats a "lower is better" chart
yeah sorry now i saw it :p:

[informal]

The K125 is just on a whole other level when it comes to performance.Too bad they didn't do simple battery tests so we can see how long can the Neo netbook last without charging.

[Andi64]

Anyway, if the Neo can last for at least 4 to 5 Hs. I will chose it over the Atom. I had Atom netbooks and they suck, they suck real bad. Yeah, they last 7 Hs sucking, but if it takes minutes to load something you'll only get half the time using the netbook :P :D

[Manicdan]

the specs are close, but the screen is a little bigger, the case, and the battery might be too.

anyone know if they are both on xp or if win7 is on the AMD netbook?

[Dresdenboy]

Anyway, if the Neo can last for at least 4 to 5 Hs. I will chose it over the Atom. I had Atom netbooks and they suck, they suck real bad. Yeah, they last 7 Hs sucking, but if it takes minutes to load something you'll only get half the time using the netbook :P :D

That's a nice interpretation! You should mail it to AMD's marketing ;)

[Manicdan]

That's a nice interpretation! You should mail it to AMD's marketing ;)

whats their address, id like to mail them a bag of something else while im at it...

what do you mean they dont have an address?

[ExodusC]

official site says 18 watt or something for amd
See, unfortunately that's as high as what, a CULV Core i3/i5/i7? That includes the graphics die as well. Now, the CULV processor will obviously cost more, but prices are getting lower every day. You also always have the option of getting a CULV Core 2 Duo, which will still blow both of these out of the water.

Sorry, maybe I'm just bitter at the terrible performance of netbook processors. They feel more like toys and less like notebooks to me.

The majority of netbooks nowadays run for something ridiculous like 2 or 3 hours, and many are still upwards of $500. It's ludicrous. I find it hard to recommend a netbook to anyone nowadays.

[BeepBeep2]

Yeah, I sorta hate my N270 netbook. The fact that I got a newegg steal for $180...sorta changed that a bit.
It's an Acer netbook newegg had a deal on and stock lasted for two minutes after the deal started. Seems like I was a little lucky.

[ExodusC]

Yeah, I sorta hate my N270 netbook. The fact that I got a newegg steal for $180...sorta changed that a bit.
It's an Acer netbook newegg had a deal on and stock lasted for two minutes after the deal started. Seems like I was a little lucky.
Well, it wouldn't be hard to recommend if all netbooks were $180, that's a more than fair price.

My point is that so many netbooks nowadays have skyrocketed in price into the standard notebook price range, while still being comparatively poor performers.

[Calmatory]

The platform matters here the most. If they could just swap the CPUs and see how the battery life and temps go, great. Otherwise one has to compare whole platforms, not just the CPUs.

[Nintendork]

AII Neo can improve power consumption. My X4 does 0.925v for 1.9Ghz.

[saaya]

looks like atom done right to me... im worried that amd is waaaaaay too late to the netbook party though :/
its all about smartphones, tablets and 13-15" ultra thin laptops now...

for the first two power consumption needs to be lower than atom ideally, and for the latter the performance bar has been raised a fair bit by arrandale...

[Starscream]

for the first two power consumption needs to be lower than atom ideally, and for the latter the performance bar has been raised a fair bit by arrandale...

But knowing Intel they wil charge a premium for it.
If AMD gets close enough (power consumption and performance) and manages to be alot cheaper im shure they wil sell.

[Hornet331]

So the most important aspect of a netbook/notebook hasn't been tested -> runtime and or power consumption...

[Calmatory]

Why would anyone ever consider picking x86 over ARM for a smartphone? This "smartphone/handheld" MID buzz has been going on for 4 years at least by Intel. Never heard of actual products though.

[endlesszeal]

if its the same speed as ARM with equal or lower power consumption, i wouldnt mind. would love to have SuperNES and GBA ;)

anyway, back up topic. my bro got a netbook for giggles (N270) and i cant stand it! its so slow i rather not use it at all.

also according to benches, the amd is equal to banias at same speed? if so, that is good. still have a penitum m machine and its xxxx times better than netbook.

[haylui]

im pretty sure thats a "lower is better" chart

sry i LOLed...
you're right, SuperPI chart is always the lower is better scenario

[haylui]

Why would anyone ever consider picking x86 over ARM for a smartphone? This "smartphone/handheld" MID buzz has been going on for 4 years at least by Intel. Never heard of actual products though.

it is not easy to standardize ARM processor on market.
so developer might consider x86 due to backward compatibility and one platform for all chip capability;
but I don't think x86 core would be able to perform on par with ARM chip if it ever consume same level of power

[Manicdan]

i like the idea of a super lower powered pc for running winxp as a torrent server, or ftp server, or some kind of pc where i need to leave it on 24/7 and NEVER plan to touch, the moment i touch it i feel like i bought a kids toy in a shiny case

[Calmatory]

i like the idea of a super lower powered pc for running winxp as a torrent server, or ftp server, or some kind of pc where i need to leave it on 24/7 and NEVER plan to touch, the moment i touch it i feel like i bought a kids toy in a shiny case

Linux and rTorrent? :p:

[Behemot]

And VsFTPd :)

[RejZoR]

What i like the most about AMD Neo CPU's is the fact they are accompanied by a proper HD4000 series GPU. And that helps on several levels, including DX10 gaming support (Intel fails even on something as basic as TnL support from year 2000), Adobe Flash acceleration and HD video acceleration. Intel doesn't have anything of that and i see it as a massive advantage for AMD.

[Behemot]

VIA have almost all of it too and unfortunately it didn't help much.

[MrMojoZ]

if its the same speed as ARM with equal or lower power consumption, i wouldnt mind. would love to have SuperNES and GBA ;)


ARM has emulators too, I don't understand what you mean here. :confused:

[cegras]

So the most important aspect of a netbook/notebook hasn't been tested -> runtime and or power consumption...

Netbooks are unbelievably terrible, you can't even scroll smoothly in an excel spreadsheet. Sorry, but runtime is more aptly translated as 'how much longer do I have to put up with this'?

[MrMojoZ]

Netbooks are unbelievably terrible, you can't even scroll smoothly in an excel spreadsheet. Sorry, but runtime is more aptly translated as 'how much longer do I have to put up with this'?

Which is why having a CPU twice as fast with a decent GPU is probably a good thing right?

[BeepBeep2]

What i like the most about AMD Neo CPU's is the fact they are accompanied by a proper HD4000 series GPU. And that helps on several levels, including DX10 gaming support (Intel fails even on something as basic as TnL support from year 2000), Adobe Flash acceleration and HD video acceleration. Intel doesn't have anything of that and i see it as a massive advantage for AMD.

Which means in reality this platform is even leaps and bounds ahead of nvidia ion.