Apple's iPhone 4 press conference (good news for iphone 4 users)

[Mk]

1. A detailed explanation for the iPhone's reception problems
The iPhone's "death grip" problems (which seem to strike when the iPhone 4 is held near the lower left corner, especially with the hand touching a tiny gap in the iPhone's steel antenna band) have been well documented by Consumer Reports and other reviewers and publications. So far, though, Apple has acknowledged only that "almost any mobile phone" will lose some reception when held "in certain ways." I'm expecting Apple to go into far more detail about how the iPhone 4's external antenna works, along with hard data to either prove or refute the claim that reception degrades when the new iPhone is held the "wrong" way.

2. A spirited defense of the iPhone's external antenna design
Don't expect Steve Jobs or anyone else to throw the iPhone 4's stainless-steel antenna band under the bus. Even if Apple admits to some signal loss when the iPhone is held, uh, incorrectly, I'm sure Jobs and/or his lieutenants will insist that overall, the iPhone 4 boasts better wireless reception than any previous iPhone. They're a proud, stubborn bunch in Cupertino, and they're not going to diss their latest iPhone openly.

3. An admission that the coming software update won't fix the 'death grip'
Apple never said that its promised firmware update for the iPhone 4 (which could arrive as early as Thursday) would improve the iPhone 4's reception, but it sure gave the impression that the update (which will supposedly fix the iPhone's "totally wrong" formula for calculating the number of reception bars to display) would at least make the perception of the "death grip" go away. Bloggers, however, have already demonstrated that they can replicate the death grip even after installing a beta version of iPhone firmware 4.1. Regardless, Apple execs will probably go into more detail about what the new update does — and doesn't — do.

4. Free Bumpers for everyone
All along, experts and even Apple itself have said that using a case—like Apple's $29 Bumper cases — would cure the iPhone's "death grip" woes. Many have called for Apple to just hand out Bumpers with every iPhone 4 purchase, and I'd be floored if Jobs & Co. didn't announce plans to do so starting Friday.

5. An extension for iPhone 4 returns and/or support
Here's another easy way for Apple to assuage would-be iPhone customers spooked by the "death grip" drama: extend the window for returns from 30 days to ... I dunno, two months? Three would be generous. And they should emphasize that there won't be any questions or restocking fee. Another option would be to extend the iPhone's limited warranty from a year to, say, 18 months, but I doubt Apple will go that far.

6. One more thing ...
All the items I've ticked off above are important, but as I wrote Wednesday, there's one last thing Apple should do about the "death grip": apologize. Not for a defect on the iPhone — after all, gadgets and glitches go together like eggs and bacon — but for not owning up to it sooner, for suggesting that customers were the ones with the problem ("just avoid holding it that way"!). The brash confidence that made Apple so endearing in its early days has crossed over into arrogance, and it isn't flattering — indeed, in a dozen years of covering the tech industry, I've never seen a company draw this much vitriol, not even Microsoft. Apple needs to take itself down a peg or two (or three), admit its mistakes — hey, we're all human (you too, Steve Jobs) — and say the magic words: "We're sorry." Go ahead, you can do it.

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tell now apple been:clap::up::up::up: but then they started talking :banana::banana::banana::banana: again........

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apple is being apple again with the cheap marketing :shakes:
source 1
(http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/)
source 2 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc3126)

[Blacky]

I have one and I tried to mess with the antenna like most suggest to do and nothing happens :shrug:

[Mk]

I have one and I tried to mess with the antenna like most suggest to do and nothing happens :shrug:

look at the rubber line on the left side of the phone try to connect the 2 sides (two antenna with you finger or hand or any conductive material and wait for around 30sec and u will see that u have no signal) it on every iphone 4
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[Blacky]

^ I did it I only managed to down 2 bars...not the entire bars

[MrMojoZ]

^ I did it I only managed to down 2 bars...not the entire bars

Depending on what your signal strength was to begin with, you just dropped a call. Not the end of the world by any means, but it was something that should have been fixed in the design phase.

[Scubar]

LOL, here have a case to fix our rubbish phone design thats still behind the curve in technology.

[Russian]

Hilarious. Know why? Because Apple did everything within their power to accept the blame for the issue. Instead of saying they'd fix it they simply said they'd provide a workaround and in the meantime decided it would be classy to specifically say other phones have this issue as well... yet, there weren't any complaints about it??? Perhaps because it required you to squeeze the phone harder than an iPhone?

[Reflex1]

I'm disappointed with this, like most people. But looking at it from their perspective, theres not much else they can do. Recalling all of the iphone 4's would bankrupt them lol. This issue should of been avoided but whats happened has happened and I think they are doing all they can to solve it.

[Manicdan]

i find their testing method laughable. if the display bars were standardized, it would be possible to compare, but they are not. anyone who wants to know more, anandtech did a great job of the signal testing in their iphone4 review

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I love it how they won't test CURRENT competing phones in the same tier. Such a joke....

I'm thinking about wrapping my EVO 4g in tin foil. If I squeezed my phone any harder to reproduce APPLE's issue, I'd crack it, no joke.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I'm disappointed with this, like most people. But looking at it from their perspective, theres not much else they can do. Recalling all of the iphone 4's would bankrupt them lol. This issue should of been avoided but whats happened has happened and I think they are doing all they can to solve it.

Call me crazy, but would it really bankrupt Apple?

Hell, if they released a "working model" of the iPhone 4, they'd market it and these fools would just buy it too....

[Reflex1]

Synthetickiller;4474433']Call me crazy, but would it really bankrupt Apple?

Hell, if they released a "working model" of the iPhone 4, they'd market it and these fools would just buy it too....

maybe not bankrupt but it would destroy them financially, having to fix or bin hundreds of thousands of iphone 4's would cost a lot.

I've got a feeling they will release a new revision soon of the iphone 4, that obviously doesnt have this issue.

[ZenEffect]

:p:

i got no beef with apple, but as a company, its just childish to bash other companies though.

[STEvil]

So out of curiosity, were those "bar measurements" they did using the old iPhone app which measures them (on all versions of the iPhone) incorrectly?

[Exa.bit]

Apple products, they, "just work".





Steve Jobs- "Here have a free bumper, so it "just works" as a phone".

[[XC] Oj101]

Min bars and max bars? Is that with minimal and maximum pressure or what?

[Starscream]

i could make a comparison about expensive good looking girl and putting a plastic bag over her head but i wont.

[RejZoR]

I can hold my 120 EUR (at that time) Nokia 3110 Classic with both hands in a tight death grip and signal doesn't change at all.
But then again i don't have fancy camera, fancy big screen and fancy apps. But it does well for what it was designed. A mobile phone.
iPhne seems to have everything except the last one. Makes you wonder if it's not just a shrinked version of iPad... you can't call with that on either.

[Dave_Sz]

Hilarious. Know why? Because Apple did everything within their power to accept the blame for the issue.

Where, exactly, did they take any blame?

[Exa.bit]

i could make a comparison about expensive good looking girl and putting a plastic bag over her head but i wont.

Lol, that was pretty good. Pretty sad too, the sleek&sexy design of apple products is why many buy. If you must cover that sexiness up, why buy? In the case of the iphone 4 it was old tech. the moment it hit retail, though your average consumer doesn't know that. Rant over, nice joke. :up:

[Manicdan]

i could make a comparison about expensive good looking girl and putting a plastic bag over her head but i wont.

its a very valid comparison, didnt steve say this is the thinnest smart phone ever, and its one of the most beautiful phones ever. well that bumper case adds a little more depth to the phone, and takes away that elegant ring around the side they bragged so much about.

[iTravis]

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[ownage]

Blown out of proportion, and everybody's falling far it. A bit like the US gov and press f!cked Toyota bigtime.

[alfaunits]

It's blown out of proportion the same way Apple users blow the "use(ful)ness" of Apple products ;)

[Kingcarcas]

What happened to their 17 chambers to test interference?:rofl:

[[XC] moddolicous]

I wonder why they couldn't just put the antenna where NO ONE would grab it. Like on top of the phone maybe?

[Johnny87au]

moddolicous;4475040']I wonder why they couldn't just put the antenna where NO ONE would grab it. Like on top of the phone maybe?

lol true, thats generally where a atenna sits, Dont know why they put it where everyone usually grabs the phone by :ROTF::rofl::clap:

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nice find. that was hilarious

[PatRaceTin]

bad technical design!!!!!

[texasreefer]

Blown out of proportion, and everybody's falling far it. A bit like the US gov and press f!cked Toyota bigtime.

Blown out of proportion by Who? Nobody asked JObs to make his press release/pseudo apology. There was a problem picked up and reported by a major reviewer (Consumer Reports), and Apple responded. They could have just kept quiet. Apple users would have never admitted there was an big issue.

[saaya]

there are 2 antennas, not one, and putting it on top would result in weak reception, they use as much of the frame for the antenna as possible
its not about squeezing the phone, its about slightly shorting the two antennas by touching the thin split between them.
pressure does help, but as long as your hands are dry it might not do a lot... try it with sticky sweaty summertime hands and its a different thing :D

if you ask me the point that was really outrageous is that they were charging 30$ for a 1us$ rubber string that fixes a design issue...
is this blown out of proportion? hell yeah! but really, if you hype up a product like this and claim its the best of the best, you cant make a stupid mistake like this and then try to get away with it by blaming your customers... the reason it got blown out of proportion is because its apple and because of their arrogance... if this would have happened to htc samsung or nokia, it wouldnt have been blown out of proportion... why? theyd admit it and try to solve the problem...

apple hypes their phones up to the level of a ferrari car, well ferrari wouldnt get away with a flawed new model either, even if its a tiny flaw...
people KNOW they pay extra but they are ok with it as long as they get the illusion of having the best...

[eternal_fantasy]

Apple users would have never admitted there was an big issue.

How do you define "big issue"? Because most iPhone 4 users genuinely do not experience the reception issue on daily usage enough to consider it a "big issue".

You must have personally been affected by this issue? Have you returned your iPhone 4 for a full refund?

[HuffPCair]

Buy a Moto droid and stop worrying lol it does just work

[cyberspyder]

Should I upgrade to the iCrap4? I have a SE k790i right now...it seems to perform worse as a phone and takes worse pictures.

[metro.cl]

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LOL

Funny thing, they love their customers but when they said there was a problem, no one at apple listened... only after it hit their stock and concerns about their brand image appeared they "responded".

I was really looking after the iPhone4 but it doesnt seem right to buy a phone with antena issues and that might get replaced really fast.

[Zloyd]

Well a company gets to show its class when they release something thats got major issues and isnt working as intended.


Apple have clearly shown theirs , their arrogance is disgusting.

[texasreefer]

How do you define "big issue"? Because most iPhone 4 users genuinely do not experience the reception issue on daily usage enough to consider it a "big issue".

You must have personally been affected by this issue? Have you returned your iPhone 4 for a full refund?

I purchased an HTC evo on launch date, so NO I have not been affected by this issue. When a big dealer almost recalls a product, and to give free bumpers TO THE ENTIRE united states is big. Yet, your an Apple user and claim the problem is overblown. Those 2 dollar bumpers retail for 19.99....this is a big deal.

[Manicdan]

i do notice with my evo there are some road where i dont get good signal when its on the dashboard, i move it to the passenger seat and its back to normal. (i use streaming music while driving) i cant tell if its the mount thats hurting the signal, or just its position in the car while im in a weak zone

[eternal_fantasy]

I purchased an HTC evo on launch date, so NO I have not been affected by this issue. When a big dealer almost recalls a product, and to give free bumpers TO THE ENTIRE united states is big.

Right.. so you don't have first hand experience. Glad we got that out of the way.

The free bumper was given as a response to the media outcry, and not a response to the "defect" of the phone. If there were no hype, there will be no free bumper. "Almost" recalling a product... I'd like to see where you got that idea from. Apple certainly did not even consider recalling the phone. If I missed something, please point me to your source and I'd gladly apologise for my mistake.


Yet, your an Apple user and claim the problem is overblown. Those 2 dollar bumpers retail for 19.99....this is a big deal.

Why are you putting words into my mouth? Where in my post did I "claim" the situation is "overblown" or even sound remotely trying to imply the same thing? I was speaking from experience, you were speaking from... people's opinion on the interwebz?

If you think something is overpriced then don't buy it. Why so serious about the price of a piece of rubber band for a phone that you don't even have? Are you doing this for us iPhone users? We must all have some serious money management issues or sanity problems that enables us to purchase £600 phones that can't even make a call and love it anyway. Please save us from Apple's grasp! :up:

I really don't know what's worse, those that buys an Apple product and love it, or those that never bought the Apple product and hate it. :shrug:

[Manicdan]

almost all accessories for any product are overpriced, some things are nicer quality or provide a unique function and worth almost their price, but those rubber guards are pennies to make, probably costs more to package and ship them than just produce them.

[eternal_fantasy]

almost all accessories for any product are overpriced, some things are nicer quality or provide a unique function and worth almost their price, but those rubber guards are pennies to make, probably costs more to package and ship them than just produce them.

Then don't buy them? I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Did the price offend you personally?

[Manicdan]

Then don't buy them? I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Did the price offend you personally?

i dont see why you are so worried about me making general statements about supply and demand

[Kallenator]

I really don't know what's worse, those that buys an Apple product and love it, or those that never bought the Apple product and hate it. :shrug:

You really don't need to buy a product just to be able to criticize it, a simple practical test at the store or whatever is good enough in most cases.


I also think that rubber bumper is ridiculously overpriced, considering it's just a few grams of injection molded rubber. A person who does not flinch by that probably wouldn't flinch if a 0,8 liter bottle of water cost 15USD either.

[eternal_fantasy]

You really don't need to buy a product just to be able to criticize it, a simple practical test at the store or whatever is good enough in most cases.

Note that I said "hate". I dig constructive criticisms. Not that would change anything that apple does, but at least it gets a conversation going. However there are those that makes it their life's mission to spread the hate of the Apple brand, making it as if every move Apple makes stench of money grabbing and marketing gimmicks.

The worst is when you post about your genuine experience without suffering from any problems, you're told that you just "don't know" there was a problem by someone that don't even own the product. How do you even carry on the conversation?

I really do not believe there are so many devoted Apple fans that are totally blinded by marketing, and none really sit down and have a look at their iProduct and think, hey, this is just a piece of rubbish, wrapped around in amazing marketing.

Apple must have done something right. you don't see only retards owning Apple products. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason so many people swear by Apple you don't see with any other brand?

[eternal_fantasy]

i dont see why you are so worried about me making general statements about supply and demand

Does your statement add anything to the conversation? Other then to whine about an overpriced product that many before you have already whined about?

[Manicdan]

Does your statement add anything to the conversation? Other then to whine about an overpriced product that many before you have already whined about?

your whining about people complaining, those people are complaining because we already have enough issues in most countries with money that we dont need apple coming in with awesome marketing, giving us a product we dont actually need, at a price most shouldnt be paying, just so they can show it off to their friends.

i was going over the manufacturing aspect of accessories. there use to be a day when i could by a cable or adapter from radio shack for 2$, now its 12$ for the same damn thing just because its used by an iproduct aswell.

[MrMojoZ]

I really do not believe there are so many devoted Apple fans that are totally blinded by marketing, and none really sit down and have a look at their iProduct and think, hey, this is just a piece of rubbish, wrapped around in amazing marketing.


And I say you are wrong, the masses only know what they are told by others. They will refuse to think for themselves.

Ever worked retail? You'd have to pick up on this. If you've ever tried to break through to someone stuck on "But my friend told me (blatantly bad information) so I'm going to ignore you when provide (good information)" you know exactly what I mean.

[eternal_fantasy]

your whining about people complaining, those people are complaining because we already have enough issues in most countries with money that we dont need apple coming in with awesome marketing, giving us a product we dont actually need, at a price most shouldnt be paying, just so they can show it off to their friends.

i was going over the manufacturing aspect of accessories. there use to be a day when i could by a cable or adapter from radio shack for 2$, now its 12$ for the same damn thing just because its used by an iproduct aswell.

Actually, no. I was actually sharing my experience with the device in question before you amongst some others expressed your distaste for Apple's pricing strategy.

And how would whining in an online forum help lower the price of iProduct-supported accessories? Look at it this way. Apple, being an American company, is making a killing selling their iProduct around the world. The money creates jobs for the local people and increase revenue for your debted government. So all round good thing. Wouldn't you agree? Whats a few dollars more for a cable or an adapter when it makes some of your fellow countryman richer? :up:


And I say you are wrong, the masses only know what they are told by others. They will refuse to think for themselves.

Ever worked retail? You'd have to pick up on this. If you've ever tried to break through to someone stuck on "But my friend told me (blatantly bad information) so I'm going to ignore you when provide (good information)" you know exactly what I mean.

That is a very blank statement. Why are there so much positive feedback on an Apple product, say iPhone 4, expressing that based on their own experiences, the phone is a great product. Are their experiences "told by others"? Are all the tech review sites that gave the iPhone 4 top scores just minions of Apple and should not be trusted? Are these the sort of "blatantly bad information" you were talking about? Where can I find the "good information"?

If, the Apple user used their product, and found it to suit their needs, even if it is under the spell of "what other people have told them". Wouldn't that mean it is a great product that the person genuinely appreciates? or is there a standard that all product have to satisfy to be regarded as "fit for purpose"?

[Manicdan]

Actually, no. I was actually sharing my experience with the device in question before you amongst some others expressed your distaste for Apple's pricing strategy.

And how would whining in an online forum help lower the price of iProduct-supported accessories? Look at it this way. Apple, being an American company, is making a killing selling their iProduct around the world. The money creates jobs for the local people and increase revenue for your debted government. So all round good thing. Wouldn't you agree? Whats a few dollars more for a cable or an adapter when it makes some of your fellow countryman richer? :up:

i did say almost all accessories are like this, not just apple ones. when you work in retail you see this all the time. people buy a printer then they have to buy a 20$ usb cable to go with it, MOST, and i promise you the number is more than 50%, complained about having to buy something they know is dirt cheap, because you NEED it for the product to work right.


That is a very blank statement. Why are there so much positive feedback on an Apple product, say iPhone 4, expressing that based on their own experiences, the phone is a great product. Are their experiences "told by others"? Are all the tech review sites that gave the iPhone 4 top scores just minions of Apple and should not be trusted? Are these the sort of "blatantly bad information" you were talking about? Where can I find the "good information"?

If, the Apple user used their product, and found it to suit their needs, even if it is under the spell of "what other people have told them". Wouldn't that mean it is a great product that the person genuinely appreciates? or is there a standard that all product have to satisfy to be regarded as "fit for purpose"?

alot of the negativity is coming from how apple is handling this. they make just 1 new phone, htc has made a dozen different phones this year. so apple needs to swing and hit, htc can miss a few times and not affect every owner. so for steve to email people back saying, "no, deal with it and hold it right", is kinda a slap in the face for anyone who had respect for them. apple tries to sell an image more than a product, that image is about high quality and functionality. we can easily see its not that expensive to make a phone, this one just has glass on the back and front and people think it costs 2x as much. the other part of the image about quality is hurt when they have a clear issue that many people can see coming just from watching the conference. was it lack of testing? or lack of caring? or an attempt to sell more bumpers? all are bad answers, and i cant think of any right answer that apple can give.

[Solus Corvus]

Apple must have done something right. you don't see only retards owning Apple products. Maybe, just maybe there is a reason so many people swear by Apple you don't see with any other brand?
Sure Apple did something right. They made a good smartphone. But so have several other companies. The fact that Apple has such a huge marketshare even in the presence of roughly technically equivalent products indicates that there is something more then just technical features at work here.

I find your argument to be a common one that dismisses the power of social pressure on human beings. Despite some people's wish to forget that fact, we are a social species. We also rely on emotions more then we would care to admit. Things like group pressure, media hype, familiarity, vanity, name recognition, appeals to emotion, etc have a huge effect on people's buying decisions. I'd wager they have as much, or more, of an effect as technical features. If those things didn't have a large effect on people's purchasing decisions then companies wouldn't dedicate so much money to marketing.

[texasreefer]

How do you define "big issue"? Because most iPhone 4 users genuinely do not experience the reception issue on daily usage enough to consider it a "big issue".

You must have personally been affected by this issue? Have you returned your iPhone 4 for a full refund?

You're correct in that I do not have personal experience with the iPhone 4, but you don't need to own a device to do research and find and figure out whether it is a good fit for oneself.

I don't just regirgitate information on a whim. You say yourself that most iphone4 users do not find the issue to be a big problem....You say that most people are not affected in a major way.... How do you know that? Do you know most of the iphone4 users in the world? I don't think so....

[MrMojoZ]

That is a very blank statement. Why are there so much positive feedback on an Apple product, say iPhone 4, expressing that based on their own experiences, the phone is a great product. Are their experiences "told by others"? Are all the tech review sites that gave the iPhone 4 top scores just minions of Apple and should not be trusted? Are these the sort of "blatantly bad information" you were talking about? Where can I find the "good information"?
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Talk about your blanket statements. Yes, tech review sites have given Apple a free ride for awhile now.

I've had to fix people's broken Apple products before, then hear that same person tell someone else how much they love their Apple widget because it always works. :confused: If it had been another brand they wouldn't have done this, and it had nothing to do with the great Apple quality you are trying to sell us. Someone will complain about a Microsoft product at the drop of a hat even though it worked great for years then turn around and brag about a iPhone that just dropped two calls. People are conditioned to think Apple = good via marketing BS and I've observed plenty of proof to support this. Thanks.

[eternal_fantasy]

Sure Apple did something right. They made a good smartphone. But so have several other companies. The fact that Apple has such a huge marketshare even in the presence of roughly technically equivalent products indicates that there is something more then just technical features at work here.

I find your argument to be a common one that dismisses the power of social pressure on human beings. Despite some people's wish to forget that fact, we are a social species. We also rely on emotions more then we would care to admit. Things like group pressure, media hype, familiarity, vanity, name recognition, appeals to emotion, etc have a huge effect on people's buying decisions. I'd wager they have as much, or more, of an effect as technical features. If those things didn't have a large effect on people's purchasing decisions then companies wouldn't dedicate so much money to marketing.

People that often criticise Apple's iPhone line of product often only compare the technical spec of the product. What speed the processor, how much ram, flash, multitasking etc, but never about other aspects such as customer service, ease of warranty repair/replacement, technically support, iTunes integration etc, (http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/tech-support-showdown-2010.aspx?page=15) where it plays a massive roll on people's buying decisions.

I did not dismiss the other aspects you mentioned when someone purchases a device. In fact I questioned if with all the different aspects you mentioned played into the buying decision, the person was happy with the choice of purchasing an Apple product, and would have been unhappy with a supposedly "superior" model, do you think the product has not filled its roll of satisfying the customer? Are those people "better in the know" right in telling those people that they have a crappy product wrapped around in marketing and is the wrong product for them?

[Zorlac]

I actually thought the press conference was pretty good (yes, I watched it).

My iPhone 4 has had no dropped calls so far *shrug*

Funny thing is, I was at a BBQ this weekend and one of my anti-Apple friends had his Blackberry. I had him give it to me and I proceeded to grip it the same way the media shows the iPhone 4 being gripped. Both of us watched as the bars went down..and I laughed. =)~

[eternal_fantasy]

You're correct in that I do not have personal experience with the iPhone 4, but you don't need to own a device to do research and find and figure out whether it is a good fit for oneself.
So you just happen to blank out all those reports that claims actual daily usage of the iPhone 4 they don't experience the reception issue as such a big issue as you described? Oh wait, then must all be Apple Fanbois. :rolleyes:


I don't just regirgitate information on a whim. You say yourself that most iphone4 users do not find the issue to be a big problem....You say that most people are not affected in a major way.... How do you know that? Do you know most of the iphone4 users in the world? I don't think so....
I gain my information form popular tech news/ review sites. Where is your non-regurgitated fact? Just some of my sources:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18164889
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/

What is your source that most iPhone users find it a big issue anyway? not that it matters, as fanbois can't be trusted with their opinions.


Yes, tech review sites have given Apple a free ride for awhile now.

What, so review sites that gave the iPhone 4 or any other Apple products a good review (which is most of them) is "a free ride" for Apple? You saying they are all bias Apple fans? Think before you answer because your credibility depends on it.

[Exa.bit]

So you just happen to blank out all those reports that claims actual daily usage of the iPhone 4 they don't experience the reception issue as such a big issue as you described? Oh wait, then must all be Apple Fanbois. :rolleyes:


I gain my information form popular tech news/ review sites. Where is your non-regurgitated fact? Just some of my sources:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18164889
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/13/yes-the-iphone-4-is-broken-no-the-iphone-4-is-not-broken/

What is your source that most iPhone users find it a big issue anyway? not that it matters, as fanbois can't be trusted with their opinions.



What, so review sites that gave the iPhone 4 or any other Apple products a good review (which is most of them) is "a free ride" for Apple? You saying they are all bias Apple fans? Think before you answer because your credibility depends on it.

Fine display of fanboyism, so quick to defend your beloved fruit.

[Starscream]

Tbh i doubt alot of people will admit they have problems with their Iphone4.

Its pretty much a fact that alot of people who buy Iphones are Apple fanboys.
On one side i doubt they will notice the problems because they are so in love with their toy and if they would admit it then they would be admitting that their overpriced expensive phone isnt perfect wich by default means that Apple made a bad product wich just cannot be.

[eternal_fantasy]

Fine display of fanboyism, so quick to defend your beloved fruit.


Tbh i doubt alot of people will admit they have problems with their Iphone4.

Its pretty much a fact that alot of people who buy Iphones are Apple fanboys.
On one side i doubt they will notice the problems because they are so in love with their toy and if they would admit it then they would be admitting that their overpriced expensive phone isnt perfect wich by default means that Apple made a bad product wich just cannot be.

Here we go! Was wondering when random people will come in and start calling people fanboys without even reading through the thread. Even with all the logic and discussion some just can't help themselves from ruining a civilised debate.

What more effective weapon can you wield then to label the other person "Fanboy" and totally undermine their credibility? :up:

[god_43]

the rational people who purchase apple products are a minority, the rest are fanboys and the masses; driven by hype. i was hoping that this bumper case remedy would not succeed in curing apples self inflicted antenna-gate issue.... i fear at most the fall out from this is minimal now. android are good phones, i like them. but the only one who can beat apple on culture is MS and their wmp7 systems.... i hope they are able to do just that.

[god_43]

Here we go! Was wondering when random people will come in and start calling people fanboys without even reading through the thread. Even with all the logic and discussion some just can't help themselves from ruining a civilized debate.

What more effective weapon can you wield then to label the other person "Fanboy" and totally undermine their credibility? :up:

...its about which evil you want to deal with. lets say this only affects 5% of iPhone users. the response from a company tells you all you need to know. "don't hold it that way".....when will people stand up and vote with their wallets??! :banana::banana::banana::banana: apple, i would never stay with such an abusive company, if i have choice, then i will leave. people who stay...ill leave it at that.

[Manicdan]

was browsing around and found this:
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/07/14/pre-death-grip-survey-73-very-satisfied-with-their-iphones/
a few good charts, but take note of the survey comparison between march and june. notice that people wanted android just as much as iphone in march, then in june when its announced everyone switches over

media controls people more than people do.

[takamishanoku]

http://www.iphonehacks.com/2010/07/rim-nokia-htc-motorola-samsung-respond-to-applee-claim-that-every-smartphone-has-a-weak-spot.html


RIM, Nokia, HTC And Motorola Respond To Apple's Claim That Every Smartphone Has A Weak Spot

iPhone 4

At the special iPhone 4 conference yesterday, Apple’s CEO Steve Jobs showed videos of RIM’s BlackBerry Bold 9700, HTC’s Droid Eric, Samsung’s Omnia II lose signal strength when they're gripped in a certain way.

Apple also published new pages on its website, where it is trying to educate users about smartphone antenna performance and their weak spots.

At the press conference, Steve Jobs explained that they’ve got to the heart of the problem, and that is smartphone have weak spots, which was a challenge not just for Apple but also for the entire mobile industry.

Not surprisingly, this hasn’t gone down too well with Apple’s competitors. RIM, Nokia, HTC and Motorola have fired back at Apple for drawing them into the antenna issue.
iPhone 4

Mike Lazaridis and Jim Balsillie, RIM’s co-CEOs issued the following statement:

Apple’s attempt to draw RIM into Apple’s self-made debacle is unacceptable. Apple’s claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public’s understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple’s difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which reduce the risk for dropped calls, especially in areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM’s customers don’t need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple.

Nokia issued the following statement pointing out that it prioritizes antenna performance over physical design:

"Antenna design is a complex subject and has been a core competence at Nokia for decades, across hundreds of phone models. Nokia was the pioneer in internal antennas; the Nokia 8810, launched in 1998, was the first commercial phone with this feature.

Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying human behavior, including how people hold their phones for calls, music playing, web browsing and so on. As you would expect from a company focused on connecting people, we prioritize antenna performance over physical design if they are ever in conflict.

In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held. That's why Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand. Nokia has invested thousands of man hours in studying how people hold their phones and allows for this in designs, for example by having antennas both at the top and bottom of the phone and by careful selection of materials and their use in the mechanical design."

HTC hasn’t responded with an official comment but Eric Lin, global head of PR at HTC revealed that they had very few complaints about signal or antenna problems on the HTC Droid Eris.

"Approximately .016% of customers, we have had very few complaints about signal or antenna problems on the Eris."

Sanjay Jha, co-CEO of Motorola said in a statement:

"It is common knowledge in the industry that antennas on the outside of products have known issues, and despite the fact that they lead to smaller phones we have avoided them because consumers don't like being told how to hold the phone.

While the whole industry has to deal with phones being held in different ways, it is disingenuous to suggest that all phones perform equally. In our own testing we have found that Droid X performs much better than iPhone4 when held by consumers."

We expect Samsung to respond as well as Apple had demoed Samsung Omania II drop signal strength when it is gripped in a certain way. We don’t think this will be the last we’ve heard from Apple’s competitors.

But one thing is clear, due to the iPhone 4 reception saga any smartphone that is released going forward will be closely scrutinized for antenna issues.

Like i said LOVE my iphone 3g. Really was looking forward to getting the 4G. Until this is sorted (and i think it will ) i will be staying clear of the 4G. My 3G already drops too many calls (compared to my old Nokia, SE's) so i can't imagine something even worse than that (or as bad in truth)

[texasreefer]

Well, the proof is in the pudding.....

It all depends what conract you're already locked into. It worked out for me bc I already had a sprint contract and was eligible for an upgrade. The 3Gs was awesome, but that's it... it WAs awesome....the Evo and pretty much every Andriod phone with 2.2 has Flash lite and can access any website eg no more mobile sites. The Evo gives you screen to contend with the iPad ...no joke, its only a matter of time before someone makes a printer that will work for it. It's got an hdmi port....no contest.

EDIT - just got THe book of Eli (bluray rip) from torrentz, converted it to 800 x 600 using handbrake....awesome, looks sharp as my pioneer Elite...let me know if an iphone can do that.

[Dainas]

Nomatter what all you haters say this is blown out of proportion, however it is a good thing. Teach apple that its no longer appropriate to gouge for peripherals. One thing that makes me hate on apple is how they rape their users after, not before.

[ownage]

I dont believe even Apple fans would accept this problem because the phone is ridiculus expensive. You guys are just jumping on the 'We love to hate Apple' bandwagon without seeing actual numbers. Bunch of noobs.

Mobile phones that costs more than notebooks, whatup!

[texasreefer]

They all cost 199.00usd bro..

[Kallenator]

EDIT - just got THe book of Eli (bluray rip) from torrentz, converted it to 800 x 600 using handbrake....awesome, looks sharp as my pioneer Elite...let me know if an iphone can do that.

It can, whats your point?

[TJ TRICHEESE]

Like i said LOVE my iphone 3g. Really was looking forward to getting the 4G. Until this is sorted (and i think it will ) i will be staying clear of the 4G. My 3G already drops too many calls (compared to my old Nokia, SE's) so i can't imagine something even worse than that (or as bad in truth)

see this guy is one of the few apple consumers who is clever :up:

[Dimitriman]

Images speak better than 1000 Chinese words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk&feature=topvideos

[texasreefer]

Darth Jobs......

[Brother Esau]

I dont believe even Apple fans would accept this problem because the phone is ridiculus expensive. You guys are just jumping on the 'We love to hate Apple' bandwagon without seeing actual numbers. Bunch of noobs.

Yeah no shiot! I am far from being a APPLE Fanboy seeing how the iPhone 3GS is the first product I have owned from APPLE since 1982:eek:.....Personally I enjoy the hell out of this Phone and have had "zero" issues with it from day one!

Now I do believe that APPLE Computers are entirely way overpriced, people "users" say that APPLE is more secure well....of course it is because everyone that is interested in stealing is going to go where there are multitudes to steal from..."Windows Platform" its really that simple! Other than that I think APPLE is way more Proprietary then Windows is and I have no Love for Microsoft so by opinion is unbiased...Obviously!

[texasreefer]

I wonder what's going to happen when Google releases their new OS for PCs. That's going to be interesting to watch...

[Brother Esau]

Not that I approve of the Kiddies on the Forum bashing anything or anyone but...I just love how this forum is so biased anymore and they quickly bury anything negative related to Apple or Intel. Why has this defusing courtesy not been implemented when all of the juveniles both young & old alike kicking the living crap out of poor AMD?

Thats right I forgot..drama & online :banana::banana::banana::banana: throwing & :banana::banana::banana::banana: measuring contests get high google search ranking and link clicks!

Very poor example setting for the misguided youth today!

Pretty much you are saying to people its ok to be rude and inconsiderate toward other peoples opinions as long as you are a selective a$$hole that agrees with the majority.....I mean... WTF...Guys!:rolleyes:

[dctokyo]

Apple must have done something right. you don't see only retards owning Apple products.

The word 'retard' means to slow or inhibit. In days gone by, it was a perfectly acceptable term for a disabled person. We now recognize it as offensive. Some people like to use the word because they are jerks and they like to be insulting. Are you one of these people?

[texasreefer]

Intel chips Overclocked better... the q6600 blew AMD away. That's a fact and that's why everyone bought Intel chips. People should promote competition, but AMD has to out out a good chip (that's on AMD). That's off topic though.

Get over it....