New Monitor/TV screen with 120Hz

[turok_t]

Hey guys, currently my PC setup can push waay more than 60FPS on my desired setup and im looking for a 30"/32" TV screen or LCD monitor that can maximize my system's performance. On my old monitor with a refresh rate of 60Hz, it is difficult to a see a difference between 60FPS or 90FPS because my monitor's refresh rate is capping at 60FPS.

Therefore, Im looking for a new LCD monitor or TV screen that has a refresh rate of 120Hz that can help with my FPS. I even tried a bluray movie on my neighbor's 120Hz TV screen and it looks alot smoother than my 60Hz LCD monitor.

Any suggestions on which TV/monitor I should purchase based on the information above? Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it alot.

[zanzabar]

i dont think that there is a monitor with what u want, u can get a fake 120hz tv but it will only take 60/24hz input but that wont help when connected to a pc over a normal 1080p lcd and for BF player to tv there is no quality difference from a 60hz tv with proper 2:3 pull down when compared to a 120hz

[turok_t]

i dont think that there is a monitor with what u want, u can get a fake 120hz tv but it will only take 60/24hz input but that wont help when connected to a pc over a normal 1080p lcd and for BF player to tv there is no quality difference from a 60hz tv with proper 2:3 pull down when compared to a 120hz

I see that there are many 120Hz/240Hz HDTVs out there. Are you saying that if I connect my desktop to these monitors, I wouldnt be able to see anything above 60FPS?

I was at my neighbors house and he had a laptop connected to his 120Hz HDTV. He cloned his laptop screen with his HDTV, and even in windows 7, animations (ie. folder opening, window dragging, mouse cursor movements) are much smoother than his laptop screen.

[zanzabar]

i dont know why it would look smoother unless u have a bad monitor/tv or your stuff is faster so it dose the animations faster, all that the non 3d tvs that u can buy (except the mitsu dlp) will only take a max of 60hz input then double or quadruple the frame that is displayed.

what monitor/tv do u have and what dose your neighbor have

[turok_t]

i dont know why it would look smoother unless u have a bad monitor/tv or your stuff is faster so it dose the animations faster, all that the non 3d tvs that u can buy (except the mitsu dlp) will only take a max of 60hz input then double or quadruple the frame that is displayed.

what monitor/tv do u have and what dose your neighbor have

Currently, Im using a Sharp 32" Aquos LC32D64U @ 60Hz, and @1920x1080 with vsync turned off/on. I also have a Hyundai 19" LCD @ 75Hz. I was playing Dirt 2 on both of these monitors and I can tell the Hyundai was smoother than the Sharp. My FPS were around 70-80fps.

My neighbor has a Sony or Panasonic 46" 120Hz HDTV. I was helping him connect his laptop to his TV via HDMI, and instantly, I can see major differences:

1. Windows 7 animations (ie. mouse scrolling, window dragging, windows opening) are much smoother. Its like butter on a hockey table smooth.

2. Scenes of Bluray movies and rips are much smoother on his Sony/Panasonic compared to my Sharp.

3. I also cloned my neighbor's laptop screen with his HDTV and we tried out Modern Warfare 2. The game was smoother on the HDTV compared to his laptop screen.

[zanzabar]

i dont know then, get whatever u want but i would assume that its from the newer set/panel. i just got a panasonic 32" s1 aIPS 1080p 60hz and it looks just as smooth as my crt so long as its not really fast motion and it looks way better than older lcd pva panel that i have with a 19" monitor in the other room. my new panasonic also looks better than alot of the fake 120hz TVs that ive seen so i think that its just a matter of things improving over time

[turok_t]

i dont know then, get whatever u want but i would assume that its from the newer set/panel. i just got a panasonic 32" s1 aIPS 1080p 60hz and it looks just as smooth as my crt so long as its not really fast motion and it looks way better than older lcd pva panel that i have with a 19" monitor in the other room. my new panasonic also looks better than alot of the fake 120hz TVs that ive seen so i think that its just a matter of things improving over time

Of course your panasonic 60Hz is going to look just as smooth at your CRT (assuming its 60Hz/75Hz) since the output of both your screen shares similar refresh rates. That's common sense. 15Hz/15fps isn't a big difference to the naked eye. However, you will see a significant improvement if you moved up to a 120Hz monitor. Moving from 60fps - 75fps is difficult for many users to observe, but moving from 60fps to 120fps is easily observed. This is all based on the assumption that your video card can generate at higher FPS (>60fps) that is.

My GPU can output at 90-160FPS and I hate to only be seeing 60FPS from my monitor. Its like throwing my computer down the drain.

[zanzabar]

my crt is 100hz, i have a prograde trinitron, a 60hz crt would be murder on the eyes.

but with a 120hz unless u get a 3d ready or mitsu dlp u will only be sending 60hz or 60 viewable FPS to the tv so it wont matter what u do it will all be the same and just vary based on the panel. the sharp aquas i think were pva panels even for the 32" so that would have a slow refresh and high latency. so that may seam like its got lag or not smooth with windows performance.

[Frag Maniac]

Turok, only option in true 120Hz LCD is the TN monitors. There's no LCD TVs that have true 120Hz. What they do is create extra fake frames and insert them between the true 60Hz frames and call it 120, 240 etc, but it's really just 60Hz. The biggest 120Hz monitors are 24" as far as I know. They're OK for gaming because games have rendered images, vs real life ones requiring a broader color palette, and therefore can easily get by with the lesser gamut (color spectrum) the TN panels are limited to. Blu-ray movies however on a 24" TN would pretty much be a waste of time and not make anywhere near full use of what Blu-ray can offer in resolution or color accuracy.

[zanzabar]

Turok, only option in true 120Hz LCD is the TN monitors. There's no LCD TVs that have true 120Hz. What they do is create extra fake frames and insert them between the true 60Hz frames and call it 120, 240 etc, but it's really just 60Hz. The biggest 120Hz monitors are 24" as far as I know. They're OK for gaming because games have rendered images, vs real life ones requiring a broader color palette, and therefore can easily get by with the lesser gamut (color spectrum) the TN panels are limited to. Blu-ray movies however on a 24" TN would pretty much be a waste of time and not make anywhere near full use of what Blu-ray can offer in resolution or color accuracy.

there are 3d ready ips and mva panels from panasonic and samsung they do real 120hz but they are also well over $1000, there are also a few monitors that are ips and 120hz but they are from $5k-14k. +1 for the other tvs and the 120hz interlaced monitor that only input 60hz but claim to display 120 or 240

[Kurz]

my crt is 100hz, i have a prograde trinitron, a 60hz crt would be murder on the eyes.

but with a 120hz unless u get a 3d ready or mitsu dlp u will only be sending 60hz or 60 viewable FPS to the tv so it wont matter what u do it will all be the same and just vary based on the panel. the sharp aquas i think were pva panels even for the 32" so that would have a slow refresh and high latency. so that may seam like its got lag or not smooth with windows performance.

60hz on a CRT is only bad because of the flicker the technology has.
60hz on a LCD is not bad at all...
Remember for the most part people are watching movies at 24 FPS.

Gotta love Placebo effect of 120Hz.

[turok_t]

Turok, only option in true 120Hz LCD is the TN monitors. There's no LCD TVs that have true 120Hz. What they do is create extra fake frames and insert them between the true 60Hz frames and call it 120, 240 etc, but it's really just 60Hz. The biggest 120Hz monitors are 24" as far as I know. They're OK for gaming because games have rendered images, vs real life ones requiring a broader color palette, and therefore can easily get by with the lesser gamut (color spectrum) the TN panels are limited to. Blu-ray movies however on a 24" TN would pretty much be a waste of time and not make anywhere near full use of what Blu-ray can offer in resolution or color accuracy.

Thanks for your reply Maniac. Do you have links to LCD or HDTV that accept "true" 120Hz? I want to take a look at them and do some research.

Even though most of the 120Hz tv fake the frames using interpolation, will this technology help PC gaming? In other words, would the TV generate fake frames when Im playing Call of duty? If so, will this make gameplay smoother?

[KorbenD]

Look for "3D-Ready" televisions.

They'll accept a 120hz input signal, but you'll need to find out which ones will only work with HDMI 1.4, and those that have DVI-Dual Link input (regular DVI and HDMI don't have the bandwidth for 1080p at 120hz).

[turok_t]

Look for "3D-Ready" televisions.

They'll accept a 120hz input signal, but you'll need to find out which ones will only work with HDMI 1.4, and those that have DVI-Dual Link input (regular DVI and HDMI don't have the bandwidth for 1080p at 120hz).

1. Will 3D ready TV's work with SLI?? Meaning, if I use SLI, will it still be able to output 120fps? or is the 120Hz limited to only 1 GPU?

2. For 3D HDTV, it produces 2 images: each at 60Hz, one for the left eye and the other for the right eye. If the HDTV produces 1 image, will the refresh rate of this image be capped at 60Hz or can it still be at 120Hz?

[zanzabar]

1) i dont think that dual link hdmi 1.3 works, it dose on the mitsu dlp. u may also need a real cat2 cable (not a $100 cable but get a cat2 online if u get pixelation)

2) u dont have to run it in 3d, u can run it in 2d on 120hz and with 1 monitor it will work with 1 card or in sli


60hz on a CRT is only bad because of the flicker the technology has.
60hz on a LCD is not bad at all...
Remember for the most part people are watching movies at 24 FPS.

Gotta love Placebo effect of 120Hz.

u can still get taring with a 60hz lcd as if they made a 24hz one u could, the problem mostly comes in with raw footage in 60fps and games as they will move faster than the lcd can take. then for gaming ive found that most lcds that dont have a pixel return function need to have v-sink on or the frames capped to 61 so the means that for most online games u are lagging as u are not getting the same or higher fps as the net stack so that is just as bad if not worse than lagging. most modern monitors and tvs have pixel resetting so its harder to make them tear but older ones it can still be a common problem..

so anything new or prerecorded it shouldent matter AKA doing tv stuff, if u want the monitor stuff to work better like windows or gaming just get a new pannel, and u can get a 3d pannel like the asus one that will do 3d for your computer but might not for future non computer devices or wait until the summer for hdmi 1.4 stuff to be out

[Frag Maniac]

Thanks for your reply Maniac. Do you have links to LCD or HDTV that accept "true" 120Hz?Actually Zan said that, I was unaware there were such TVs available.
there are 3d ready ips and mva panels from panasonic and samsung they do real 120hz but they are also well over $1000...I would also like to know what models he's referring to, esp the Panny ISPs that are 3D ready.

[zanzabar]

didnt panasonic show some off a while ago. but i guess they only have the plasmas right now

[c64]

Acer GD245HQ 23.6" 120Hz 3D Widescreen LCD Monitor

[Frag Maniac]

didnt panasonic show some off a while ago. but i guess they only have the plasmas right nowYeah they only show plasmas, I checked. I guess it's possible they had an IPS prototype, but maybe they decided to test the 3D waters in the market before committing to manufacturing them. Least expensive 3D LCD TV I've seen is Samsung's, which are around $1300 street price last I checked.

[zanzabar]

they had this one
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=11301&catalogId=13251&itemId=394528&modelNo=Content02122010120807194&surfModel=Content02122010120807194

not really reasonable though

you were right though it was not at ces

[iboomalot]

they had this one
http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=11301&catalogId=13251&itemId=394528&modelNo=Content02122010120807194&surfModel=Content02122010120807194

not really reasonable though

you were right though it was not at ces





$9900 for a 25.5 ips monitor is redic Dell 599 for a u2410 is bad enough.

[DaddyD302]

Before you get your new LCD, you should read this.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131464