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Polizei
04-28-2010, 12:33 PM
More specifically, the Phenom II X6 I'm getting later this week or next week, and possibly my GTX260. SFF and water in itself isn't nuts, keeping it all internal is a bit tougher, but throwing in the 2x120mm BIX radiator b@llzor gave me over a year ago and getting it all in one loop is nuts.

I'm looking at the Lian Li V351 seeing as I can do it (or think I can) with minimal mods. What are your thoughts? Sure, it's not a lot of radiator for an X6 and a GTX260, but I'm not out for super low temps or super quiet, I'm doing it more for the tinker aspect and to see if I can do it at all.

Gonzalo-Gonads
04-28-2010, 12:43 PM
I like Nuts :evil: It'll be tight but it's doable (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/image086567a1.jpg/) Looks 'fun'!
I will pray for your fingers and sanity working in that confined space ;)

Polizei
04-28-2010, 12:47 PM
Well, that picture confirms one of my fears. I was hoping to mount the pump on the motherboard tray. That's how I was going to mount the radiator. I need more pictures of it watercooled.

Gonzalo-Gonads
04-28-2010, 01:12 PM
Voila!

Link 1 (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031977227&postcount=96)
Link 2 (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032223997&postcount=110)
Link 3 (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032446486&postcount=126)
Link 4 (http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1032637432&postcount=150)

By the great master of aesthetics himself: tremeloes ;)

TheBlueChanell
04-28-2010, 01:23 PM
The v350 makes for a beautiful case but if you're looking for better thermal's I'd look into a the PC Design Labs Qmicra. I believe that you're forced to use a skinny radiator with the v350, and with the Qmicra you can use a full fat radiator. If that makes any sense.

zanzabar
04-28-2010, 02:05 PM
sniipe did one with an sg-03
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=154265

i dont think that u will get cpu and gpu unless u go for a full matx like a mini p180 with an itx board

Waterlogged
04-28-2010, 08:47 PM
Welcome to the Dark Side Polizei. :D

The only problem with the 350/351 is, I think only a rad that is 120/121mm wide will fit up in the front. The only rads that I'm aware of that are that size are XSPC RS series and Magicool's, and. . .neither one is known to be a "great rad".

Other cases, like the aforementioned Qmicra and the NZXT Rogue are a bit bigger while still being classified as mATX cases. Of these 2, the Qmicra is probably the easier to work with for rad mounting while the Rogue may have the most actual internal room to work with but, unless your mounting a TC with a shroud, it can be kind of a pain to mount a 240 rad.

HuffPCair
04-28-2010, 08:50 PM
Since no one else did....



YOU'RE NUTS!!!!!

Waterlogged
04-28-2010, 08:54 PM
Since no one else did....



YOU'RE NUTS!!!!!

Well, I would have but, I've got a build in process that's even more "insane" then he's planning. . .so it would have been a "pot calling the kettle" kind of thing. :rofl:;)

Polizei
04-28-2010, 09:32 PM
Screeching halt. The Lian Li v351 is just 279mm wide, and end to end, the BIX 240 is 277mm. I doubt that's going to fit. My plan though, was to remove that fan "wall" where the two 120mm fans are mounted, cut a hole in the front and mount the radiator to the front panel of the case with a radgrill or something. The Qmirca one is nice, but kind of big and I don't want to pay $250. That could be spent on hardware instead... paying $100 is a lot too, but the Lian Li seems worth it. Anyway.

Any other case ideas? I don't mind ripping a case apart to mod it, so it doesn't matter if it's not a Lian Li or Silverstone or something... it's going to be a bastardized case by the time I'm done with it, so...

millsy_c
04-29-2010, 04:37 AM
Seeker did a Shuttle SX58H7 with an i7 and a GTX275
Right over here http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=815185 :up:
Here's one done by another person gaz_az who fit a 5970 into the same space but with some modding
http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showpost.php?p=11728207&postcount=69
Hope this gives you some ideas :)

meanmoe
04-29-2010, 05:35 AM
I've watercooled 2 SFF cases. There are a good number of threads floating around about them (google). My first was a X-QPack2. My first mod was a single mcr120, then I managed 2 mcr220s internal by removing supports and building custom sides. I ended up scratch building a second SSF after modding the QPack2 to death. It's completely doable - break out the dremel.

Also, I've seen a couple of very successful build in the Lian Li V351, also craigbru did a nice mod on a NXZT rogue - I think he used the XSPC RS rads that Waterlogged was talking about. QMicra is probably the easiest. If I did it again, and I'm going to, I would do another scratch build out of acrylic.

Good luck. (I don't think you're nuts)

craigbru
04-29-2010, 07:17 AM
Dude, you're not crazy, but it sure helps! More so than with full size cases, planning is the key. You can pack an amazing amount of hardware in a case as long as you know how to orient it. You sometimes have to think of non-traditional parts placement, but the challenge is worth it. So, if you're going to go nuts... then go balls out. :D

(The rads I used in the Rogue were Danger Den GTS's.)

meanmoe
04-29-2010, 12:55 PM
So, if you're going to go nuts... then go balls out. :D

(The rads I used in the Rogue were Danger Den GTS's.)

You definitely did! And it was a beautiful build. :up:

Polizei
04-29-2010, 03:45 PM
While at Microcenter today buying my Phenom II X6, MSI mATX board, and DDR3, I stumbled across the Coolermaster Elite 360 (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6056). :D

I would keep it on its side instead of standing it up like in the pictures. Since it's a full AXT case and I'm putting an mATX board in it, that leaves me 3 slots to play with for a radiator and fans, while keeping the case relatively small. The power supply mounts in the front next to the optical drive rack, keeping the case small and compact. It's not exactly an SFF case, but I like it, and it's only $30. :shocked:

HuffPCair
04-29-2010, 04:40 PM
I actually came close to buying one of those a few months back at the Kansas Microcenter. Its a pretty good looking case for the price.

TheGreenFoX
04-30-2010, 05:05 AM
Screeching halt. The Lian Li v351 is just 279mm wide, and end to end, the BIX 240 is 277mm. I doubt that's going to fit. My plan though, was to remove that fan "wall" where the two 120mm fans are mounted, cut a hole in the front and mount the radiator to the front panel of the case with a radgrill or something. .

I have a rad the same size, and it fits in my V351:)


You can also mount a 120x120 rad under the PSU for some extra cooling power

Laine
04-30-2010, 05:24 AM
It's just a question of proper placement, and you can get pretty much anything to fit.

My current mITX-build.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1502/page2qw.jpg

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4173/sneakpeak.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7895/fractal3v.jpg

GTX260 and (WxHxD) 230x223x350mm.

prava
04-30-2010, 06:36 AM
While at Microcenter today buying my Phenom II X6, MSI mATX board, and DDR3, I stumbled across the Coolermaster Elite 360 (http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6056). :D

I would keep it on its side instead of standing it up like in the pictures. Since it's a full AXT case and I'm putting an mATX board in it, that leaves me 3 slots to play with for a radiator and fans, while keeping the case relatively small. The power supply mounts in the front next to the optical drive rack, keeping the case small and compact. It's not exactly an SFF case, but I like it, and it's only $30. :shocked:


Screeching halt. The Lian Li v351 is just 279mm wide, and end to end, the BIX 240 is 277mm. I doubt that's going to fit. My plan though, was to remove that fan "wall" where the two 120mm fans are mounted, cut a hole in the front and mount the radiator to the front panel of the case with a radgrill or something. The Qmirca one is nice, but kind of big and I don't want to pay $250. That could be spent on hardware instead... paying $100 is a lot too, but the Lian Li seems worth it. Anyway.

Any other case ideas? I don't mind ripping a case apart to mod it, so it doesn't matter if it's not a Lian Li or Silverstone or something... it's going to be a bastardized case by the time I'm done with it, so...

The BIX fit without problems. I know that because I tried to mod a V350 to fit a BI GTS (same length) but I cut the wrong side :rolleyes: So its idling for a while...

My idea was to bolt the rad + fans to the front of the case, but from the inner side. This way, and using a few washers, I wouldn't have to cut the exterior front and the rad would get proper airflow (as the exterior alu panel is screwed on the structure). Also, this way you would have enough space for any VGA you could put in (except, maybe, 5970)...

If you want some awesome ideas you should check this worklog: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244759 its still on the works but I haven't found anybody who is willing to try two double rads on such small case (while mounting so many HDDs).

moidib
04-30-2010, 10:29 AM
I have done 2 mATX builds, the first was with an X-QPack, http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=4066587 the second was with the same MB but I put it in a Raidmax Icecube http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156200

Polizei
04-30-2010, 05:24 PM
I have a rad the same size, and it fits in my V351:)


You can also mount a 120x120 rad under the PSU for some extra cooling power

You can confirm the BIX 240 will fit in the v351, mounted in a similar fashion to the two 120mm fans? If so, awesome. My case just got smaller, and my project just got a bit more difficult. :up:

Where did you mount your pump and res? I'm still working out which CPU block to get and if I want to go GPU too. If I do, I'll hopefully get a 120mm rad mounted... somewhere. How does a 120mm rad fit under the PSU? I'm thinking about mounting my OS harddrive in the optical bay, along with my RAID1 backup array. I'll get external enclosures for my two 1TB storage drives.

Do you have any pictures of your v351?

TheGreenFoX
05-01-2010, 02:01 AM
You can confirm the BIX 240 will fit in the v351, mounted in a similar fashion to the two 120mm fans? If so, awesome. My case just got smaller, and my project just got a bit more difficult. :up:

Where did you mount your pump and res? I'm still working out which CPU block to get and if I want to go GPU too. If I do, I'll hopefully get a 120mm rad mounted... somewhere. How does a 120mm rad fit under the PSU? I'm thinking about mounting my OS harddrive in the optical bay, along with my RAID1 backup array. I'll get external enclosures for my two 1TB storage drives.

Do you have any pictures of your v351?

It will fit, I´ll post some pictures with some scales in it so you can see. AFAIK the case is like 1 or 2 mm larger than LL says.

I just took my build apart for upgrading ( 2x4770 air -> 2x 5770 watercooled , 890GX, SSD & 965 C3) but I´ll see if I can find some old photos.

The first build didnt have a res, but a t line, but this time ill go for a XSPC Single 5.25" Bay Reservoir - Multi Front (hope the black front will match the case).
The pump will be mounted in the 5,25" bay area.

About the 120mm rad: First time i just mounted it under the PSU without any "dedicated" fan... This time ill se if i can get a fan attached to it, but im not sure...

BTW i dont think there is room for FC GFX blocks without cutting the 3,5" bay, and maybe the PSU.

Sparky
05-01-2010, 07:10 AM
I've toyed with the idea of selling my full size case and board, getting something smaller to be easier to cart around (I still do that from time to time). Also because I like a challenge :D

So you're not entirely crazy. Or, maybe you are, along with everyone else who wants to do it :rofl:

Polizei
05-01-2010, 11:20 AM
I've toyed with the idea of selling my full size case and board, getting something smaller to be easier to cart around (I still do that from time to time). Also because I like a challenge :D

So you're not entirely crazy. Or, maybe you are, along with everyone else who wants to do it :rofl:

:D

This X6 is great. Still working out some OC kinks (see my voltages thread and 3rd page of the MSI 890GXM-G65 thread) on the AMD forum. Maybe you can help me figure this all out.

Sparky
05-01-2010, 08:39 PM
:D

This X6 is great. Still working out some OC kinks (see my voltages thread and 3rd page of the MSI 890GXM-G65 thread) on the AMD forum. Maybe you can help me figure this all out.

I doubt it. Maybe YOU can help ME. Because I totally suck at this new stuff. My 955 is still stock because I failed miserably at clocking it, so I gave up and haven't messed with it since :(

Yeah, I know, hardly xtreme to have a watercooled stock CPU :yawn:

Polizei
05-03-2010, 06:09 PM
I'm considering dual loops for this, but I'm worried about placement now. A friend convinced me that dual loops would be awesome, and it would be.

If a CPU loop consists of nothing but a CPU block and a HWLabs BIX 240, would EK's pump be enough? I know it doesn't have a large head, but it's a low restriction loop really. Would the same pump be fine for an identical loop except it's got an MCW-60 for my GPU loop? I want to keep the loops separate for now, I think. If I added one more block to each loop, like a chipset block to the CPU loop and a MOSFET block to the GPU loop, those pumps would be fine? Yes?

Now, suppose I had one large loop, CPU and GPU at least, HWLabs BIX240, BIX120 - would it be enough? I'm not looking for ultra powerful and low temps, but more for just getting it into such a small box and getting my hands (not parts) wet.