So, why are monitors barely improving?

[fiskov]

Serious question,
I can walk into any store and every month TV's have taken another strive forward, yet PC monitors? pft, nothing happens.

I've got a Samsung T260 (over 15 months now), i'd love to go bigger.. But the only choice i have at the 30" size is the Dell 3008, which has been available around 2 years.

Why are we still stuck at these tiny screens of 24" and bellow, why are the models they "Just Release" barely improving on the models their replacing..

Is it the market that doesn't want screens of this size? Everyone i speak to will always say they "wish they had gone bigger".

I to want to enjoy/try Nvidia 3D vision, but to use a 24" screen is basically rape.

So where the Jim Jam are our 30"+ 120hz LED monitors?

/rant

[Gilhooley]

Well, the economics of the sales I guess. A 24" ~52cm wide screen, is about as wide you can use with a normal desk without "moving" your eyes - or "unfocusing" a part of the screen. So considering the desk "depth" of 99%? of the users, wider screens would be more of a hassle then a perk.

Now for faster Hz, it's probably a technical issue - led screens are still way to expensive :down:

[zanzabar]

nothing for a tv or monitor is an LED display they are LED back light displays.

as for the no improvement, what can they improve wihtout changing from TN panels there is no way to make the screens look better and the only thing thats going to be upgraded is the change to 120hz but thats waiting for the spec to be finalized this summer. if anything monitors have been downgrade look a few years back and u could easily get a 16:10 1920x1200 ips or pva/mva but u cant get that now.

for tvs they dont really improve once 2:3 pulldown was working properly 2-3 years back there was no need for anything over 60hrz fr ntsc or pall 50rz was always fine since they have 25hzcinima and 50hz broadcast insead of24/60 with added motion processing but they have to find a way to market a $2k tv so every year they make small changes that dont improve anything so its new, but when u dont need any post processing like in a monitor its hard to make a small change then market it as there is nothing to change


a TV is also sold as a luxury item, so it has to be new and exclusive were a monitor is a commodity so its about making them as cheap as u can to shove them out, so its different markets

[the finisher]

I'd really like a led back lit 27" IPS panel 1920x1200, I'd pay for it. Double Sight made ccfl one some years back, kinda sucked. NEC had nice one as well. Come on LG!

Yes monitors have regressed. Guess it's a 30" or nothing very good.:(

[fiskov]

waiting for the spec to be finalized this summer.

Well that's good to know, at least something larger may be coming..

[AndrewZorn]

the new high density 27" displays (U2711, iMac) are pretty nice...

[[XC] Oj101]

High density? As in pixel population? I'm not familiar with the term :)

[STEvil]

I want a 52"+ 2560x1600 120hz LED display...

[zalbard]

I think there is a deal between the monitor makers, I read about HP (iirc? or was it Dell?) attempting to sue others cause of it.

[RaZz!]

i totally agree.

i'm fed up with every company replacing their old "tn panel, 60hz, 2 to 5ms response time, 30000:1 contrast ratio"-displays with 'new' "60hz, 2 to 5ms response time, maybe 35000:1 instead of 30000:1 contrast WOHOOOO... NOT!"-displays.

who cares if the contrast is 29356326592365923:1 or 31297569321756913275:1. dynamic contrast values are the biggest scam anyway... really, in 99% of the time the panel doesn't reach any of these values anyways and even if it would, you probably wouldn't even notice.

i'm waiting for 120hz + led backlight for 2 years already, and nothing really improved in that segment. this completely sucks tbh.

[Helloworld_98]

every piece of technology has a barrier which it can reach, we see it every decade, or if you count nodes, every few years

Cathode Ray Tube monitors, Vacuum tubes, DSL, HDD's, concrete, propeller based planes, Helicopters, and soon silicon based processors and possibly non fiber optic based cable when it comes to data

[zanzabar]

we never reached a real peak in crts/back light monitors, right when they started making huge jumps the lcd came out and since it was way cheaper to make and only a few inches thick. so when u have most people do not care about performance/quality and just view it as a commodity for size and lifespan. its the same thing with ram, look how hard it is to find ram that will run better than jdec without shoving a bunch of voltage.

on the price fixing both dell and HP were accusing the asian panel makers of price fixing and then samsung and the other one were fined by the ITC.

[demonkevy666]

30" isn't the super high res, it's more surface area.
the 22" 8.0 mega pixels where higher 3840 x 2400 but too bad about the response time being 50ms, they seem to have completely vanished even though they where photo editing. now that's pixel density lol
x4 higher then 1920 x 1200.

[Frag Maniac]

If size is all you're referring to, esp 30" and up, it's not hard to answer really. When you look at what 30" monitors cost, not a very large percentage of people can afford to buy them. Even in the HDTV industry people held back for yrs getting a digital ready set, thus the rollbacks on HDTV broadcast. There have been some fairly large monitors emerging in affordable price ranges, like the 28" TNs, but to make cheap ones any larger there would have to be a lot of demand for it. In the up to 28" size they can draw off already existing panels in production for the cheaper TV brands. At some point there's a fine line between affordable/practical and expensive/unnecessary even within the TNs. Thus you see many people drawing the line at 24". The 24" size also keeps the pixel pitch tight.

Lately what I'm intrigued by is the 27" Dell U2711 16:9 IPS monitor. In fact I would like to even see a 2048x1152 in 27" in something like an e-IPS. It would be pretty large, pretty affordable, and fairly good pitch.

[the finisher]

If size is all you're referring to, esp 30" and up, it's not hard to answer really. When you look at what 30" monitors cost, not a very large percentage of people can afford to buy them. Even in the HDTV industry people held back for yrs getting a digital ready set, thus the rollbacks on HDTV broadcast. There have been some fairly large monitors emerging in affordable price ranges, like the 28" TNs, but to make cheap ones any larger there would have to be a lot of demand for it. In the up to 28" size they can draw off already existing panels in production for the cheaper TV brands. At some point there's a fine line between affordable/practical and expensive/unnecessary even within the TNs. Thus you see many people drawing the line at 24". The 24" size also keeps the pixel pitch tight.

Lately what I'm intrigued by is the 27" Dell U2711 16:9 IPS monitor. In fact I would like to even see a 2048x1152 in 27" in something like an e-IPS. It would be pretty large, pretty affordable, and fairly good pitch.

Oh, I like that panel, $1100 is alot for a 27, but nice.:slobber:

[Frag Maniac]

Oh, I like that panel, $1100 is alot for a 27, but nice.:slobber:You can get them for a little over $800. There's a guy on eBay that takes your order, then gets the small business discount from Dell and passes it on to his buyers. One guy here got one from him, forgot his name. Keep checking the Dell site too. Recently they had a promo where you could get them for $800.

[the finisher]

You can get them for a little over $800. There's a guy on eBay that takes your order, then gets the small business discount from Dell and passes it on to his buyers. One guy here got one from him, forgot his name. Keep checking the Dell site too. Recently they had a promo where you could get them for $800.

Thanks;)

[lutjens]

Personally, I'd like to see some nice curved displays for computers become more mainstream. Using three diplays...a curved display on each end and a flat display in the middle would be interesting...each at full 2560x1600 res (or higher) of course;)

[Soulburner]

They did that...someone posted a link here a year or two ago. I can't remember if it was LCD or DLP.

[STEvil]

Make a flexible display... no flex for movie watching with a bunch of people, then curl it around you a bit for surround-gaming :)

[Frag Maniac]

There's a DLP monitor Ostendo makes called the CRVD that is a 2880x900 curved screen. Alienware and NEC are both selling the same display under their names. It's fairly bulky and extremely pricey though, like $6500 worth. http://www.ostendotech.com/crvd/order.php

This display does not require custom res compatibility btw. It takes a common 1440x900 res and doubles it. The price is just insane though. For that much you could build a very nice PC AND complete home theater system.

[Smartidiot89]

I was about to make a similar topic when I saw this...

When will we start seeing 2560x1600 as "mainstream". Atm a screen with that resolution is ultra expensive, I would be throwing myself at one if there was one closer to ~$500-600. I could always get another screen but I don't like the idea of that, I want one single big screen.

2560x1600 seems to have been stuck at the same pricerange as a year ago, anyone has any clue when this is about to change?