First Fermi block

[DarthBeavis]

http://www.dangerden.com/images/stories/blocks/IMGP0598.jpg

Can't wait to see it nickle-plated. I am looking at possibly using four 480s in my next build on a Rampage III (also with matching blocks) and I believe a Gulftown (depending on what Asus pulls for me). This is going into my Pinup case with the dual Feser 480 rads.

[woffen]

Looking good, it's DD right?

So it will be 480 all the way then:D

[NaeKuh]

nice DB.

gonna grab 2 fermi's @ launch myself... probably end it with a third one on my birthday in 2 months... :P

[cubemaster27]

When do they come out? Feels as though I've been waiting forever!!

[Alexandr0s]

I believe Bitspower also has a block ready, although it's noted as an Inno3d block who is probably selling it in combination with the upcoming fermi card:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://vga.zol.com.cn/170/1706730.html

[DarthBeavis]

I believe Bitspower also has a block ready, although it's noted as an Inno3d block who is probably selling it in combination with the upcoming fermi card:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://vga.zol.com.cn/170/1706730.html
I will have to ask as I did not think Nvidia was dealing with other vendors yet for this GPU . . .hmmm. Could be athough AIB's did something I guess. BP is a good company and I am sure they will have a nice product as well.

[Hakker]

Can confirm the post from Alexandr0s. However I think that was a pre-production sample they showed.

[DarthBeavis]

Can confirm the post from Alexandr0s. However I think that was a pre-production sample they showed.

All I know is Danger Den worked directly with Nvidia to have this block ready. Hopefully the first run of releases will all be reference design for compatibility purposes. It will be interested to see how other companies tackle the issues presented with the physical layout of the card.

[NaeKuh]

how did bitspower get a sample?

makes no sense..

Because

1. there not partnered with any gpu manu, if they are can u link?
2. Koolance doesnt have one yet, and they a larger company then bitspower.

They probably showed u the top picture, but nothing of the bottom.

Nvidia has been really closed doors about fermi, so i dont understand how bitspower got a pcb sample like what beavis is saying.

[affiliate13]

I posted this (http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/news-hardware-tech-news-around-globe/31216-gtx480-water-blocks-bitspower-inno3d.html)a couple of days ago.
Inno3d and BP seem to have some sort of relationship.

[DarthBeavis]

how did bitspower get a sample?

makes no sense..

Because

1. there not partnered with any gpu manu, if they are can u link?
2. Koolance doesnt have one yet, and they a larger company then bitspower.

They probably showed u the top picture, but nothing of the bottom.

Nvidia has been really closed doors about fermi, so i dont understand . how bitspower got a pcb sample like what beavis is saying.
not closed door with me ;) LOL. I have been pushing to have a block out at launch (not that is was all my doing by any means but hopefully I helped a little). Lots of credit goes to Vector (Matt Conwell) of PDXLAN as that is the place where Nvidia and Danger Den and I all meet to conspire against the world. Nvidia's Tom Peterson really made sure the enthusiast community would have good cooling solutions available. Kudos to him and Paul J from Nvidia for their hard work!

If I were not on this 3d Tour for Nvidia I would get you guys some sweet pics from the launch (just got home from the NY/Boston stops on Tuesday, fly out to SF and DC on Monday . . .then one stop after that . . .Miami). looking forward to getting my build done in April

[DarthBeavis]

I posted this (http://www.clunk.org.uk/forums/news-hardware-tech-news-around-globe/31216-gtx480-water-blocks-bitspower-inno3d.html)a couple of days ago.
Inno3d and BP seem to have some sort of relationship.that is a rendering. LOL. what i showed is an actual product. does not matter because BP, EK, and Koolance will of course have nice blocks on the market as well at some point. If the prize for first is being given out I do think DD gets it though ;) I think they had a block for the 280 out first as well?

[shawnoen]

Four GTX480s?

You'll need like a 1500W power supply for that.

[Planet]

how did bitspower get a sample?

makes no sense..

Because

1. there not partnered with any gpu manu, if they are can u link?
2. Koolance doesnt have one yet, and they a larger company then bitspower.

They probably showed u the top picture, but nothing of the bottom.

Nvidia has been really closed doors about fermi, so i dont understand how bitspower got a pcb sample like what beavis is saying.

Mechanical sample is only needed for a test fit. You should be able to build a block from the 3D models of the card prior then test fit later on with sample pcbs.

[DarthBeavis]

Mechanical sample is only needed for a test fit. You should be able to build a block from the 3D models of the card prior then test fit later on with sample pcbs.mechanical sample is needed before you release a card for sale ;)

[DarthBeavis]

Four GTX480s?

You'll need like a 1500W power supply for that.
I have a 1200 I will try first. If I need more, my home office has a dedicated 20 amp circuit for my rig and a separate 15 amp circuit for the rest of my stuff like my Jager tap machine

[NaeKuh]

Mechanical sample is only needed for a test fit. You should be able to build a block from the 3D models of the card prior then test fit later on with sample pcbs.

so how would one know what waterpath one needs without seeing where things are on the mechanical sample?

Its like this..

i can draw a BOX.

[ ] <-- this is a new waterblock render for intels 22nm!!! woot im the first.

Its the same thing a picture.. of course it will change when the cpu comes out ....
To me it sounds like BP is cheating... also i will never expect Bitspower to EVER release anything on time.

Beavis's picture tho looks like its a finished prototype meant for fitting.

[affiliate13]

that is a rendering. LOL. what i showed is an actual product. does not matter because BP, EK, and Koolance will of course have nice blocks on the market as well at some point. If the prize for first is being given out I do think DD gets it though ;) I think they had a block for the 280 out first as well?

Oh yes DB, the link wasnt to show the block just the info about Inno3d.

[ottoyu34]

THose will cool those beasts nicely.

For one moment, I thought that was the botton of the block. :)

[JaD]

so how would one know what waterpath one needs without seeing where things are on the mechanical sample?

Card manufacturers have to make the boards somehow, and I'm pretty sure you can guess how things work from blueprints and end up with something slightly more accurate than a little square. -_-'
Anyway it wouldn't be so hard to believe that Inno3D managed to provide a sample for their watercooling partner.

[R3alsp33dy0ne]

whats with the little hole in the top corner?

[rehpyc]

If the prize for first is being given out I do think DD gets it though ;) I think they had a block for the 280 out first as well?

You can't really award such a prize when only one company is given the resources available to achieve such a 'feat' ;]

[Sadasius]

DB are you logged in from PAX right now?

[DarthBeavis]

DB are you logged in from PAX right now?
No. I am on a five-day break from the Panasonic Touch the Future Tour (I am the Nvidia representative for my stops on the tour):
http://www.panasonic.com/promos/touch-the-future-tour/?cm_sp=Homepage%20Medium%20-_-PNA-_-Touch%20of%20the%20Future%20Mar%203%20AM

I did the NY and Boston stops then fly out Monday to do the SF and DC stops then fly home for ten days then fly to Miami to do that last stop.

Asus wanted me at PAX but I needed a couple days off in this current tour to see my family.

[DarthBeavis]

You can't really award such a prize when only one company is given the resources available to achieve such a 'feat' ;]sure I can. watch me ;) LOL. just ribbing you. I understand your point. Brotha has to profess his love for DD somehow :ROTF:

[Gamekiller]

whats with the little hole in the top corner?

For your keychain! :D

[WC Annihilus]

that is a rendering. LOL. what i showed is an actual product. does not matter because BP, EK, and Koolance will of course have nice blocks on the market as well at some point. If the prize for first is being given out I do think DD gets it though ;) I think they had a block for the 280 out first as well?
If you go to the link that is within his link, you'll see an apparent picture of the actual block that was on display at CeBIT <shrugs>

[DarthBeavis]

If you go to the link that is within his link, you'll see an apparent picture of the actual block that was on display at CeBIT <shrugs>that is not a picture that is a mirage. . . . .

[JaD]

By the way EVGA just showed off their Hydro Copper editions with an hybrid water/heatpipe/air solutions for gpu-ram/VRM from Swiftech, which probably lets them cut down cost quite a bit, considering how further apart is the PWM area from the gpu: the heatpipe idea is neat and probably well performing - at least more than bare metal with no active waterflow like many FC blocks have.

http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_4.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_4.jpg)
http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_6.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_6.jpg)
http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_7.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_7.jpg)


Looking at both Bitspower and DD blocks, although they seem large enough to cover up to the actual VRMs that sit under Swiftech's heatpipe, it looks like that far area under the heatsink is being left alone; I'm not sure whether there are active components that need cooling or it's just an extension to increase surface area.
It'll be interesting to see how the two solutions compare anyway.

[Boulard83]

EVGA came with something interesting !

[DarthBeavis]

By the way EVGA just showed off their Hydro Copper editions with an hybrid water/heatpipe/air solutions for gpu-ram/VRM from Swiftech, which probably lets them cut down cost quite a bit, considering how further apart is the PWM area from the gpu: the heatpipe idea is neat and probably well performing - at least more than bare metal with no active waterflow like many FC blocks have.

http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_4.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_4.jpg)
http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_6.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_6.jpg)
http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_LG_7.jpg (http://www.evga.com/PRODUCTS/IMAGES/GALLERY/015-P3-1489-AR_XL_7.jpg)


Looking at both Bitspower and DD blocks, although they seem large enough to cover up to the actual VRMs that sit under Swiftech's heatpipe, it looks like that far area under the heatsink is being left alone; I'm not sure whether there are active components that need cooling or it's just an extension to increase surface area.
It'll be interesting to see how the two solutions compare anyway.

DD used metal top and bottom so they could active cool the VRMs if I remember correctly. Part of Nvidia's specifications.

[ScottALot]

It's disappointing, really, than nVidia couldn't beat the 5000 series effectively. I was hoping I could get some cheaper 5000s with the 400 series being introduced :(

[rehpyc]

Yeah.. the Fermi's are mostly being touted as a 'fail' given they provide only a small percentage of performance gain over ATI's 58XX series whilst being higher in price, consuming quite a bit more power, and running excessively hot. Like ScottALot, I was hoping NVIDIA would provide some competition to drive the ATI prices back down to around their initial release prices :[ Shame.

[Church]

So only gain with fermi is better performance then previous nvidia offerings and for those wishing physx support? :/. As for others, r5870 will give almost fermi performance yet use less electricity/dissipate less heat, and 5970 is still unbeated for top performance? There goes all hopes in drain :/

[gmat]

So only gain with fermi is better performance then previous nvidia offerings and for those wishing physx support? :/. As for others, r5870 will give almost fermi performance yet use less electricity/dissipate less heat, and 5970 is still unbeated for top performance? There goes all hopes in drain :/
If by "almost" you mean 20% below, then yes (price difference is greater though). Also i guess there could be a dual GPU offering on NVidia side too...

[stangracin3]

performance difference isnt quite 20% more like 10%

[JaD]

Cut it.
There are 85 fermi threads in the news section, go explicit your pointless arguing needs where they belong. We don't wanna read it here too.

[zads]

Cut it.
There are 85 fermi threads in the news section, go explicit your pointless arguing needs where they belong. We don't wanna read it here too.

Yep, argue about GTX4xx vs 58xx on another thread.
This is about watercooling blocks..
On a side note, I like the EVGA/Swiftech solution, but I wish they had it compatible with their 'universal' MCW-60.

[gmat]

I'm confused about the fins over the heatpipe section on that EVGA / Swifty block... Do they need airflow ?

[rehpyc]

Yes, just the same as any other Swiftech heatsink you'd pair up with a MCW60.

[johnp1983]

waiting for the EK ones...

[Koolance]

There's a couple parallel threads on this, so here goes...

Our GTX 480 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1017) and GTX 470 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1016) blocks are now available.

GTX 480:

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p0.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p1.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p2.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p3.jpg

GTX 470:

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p0.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p1.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p2.jpg

Tim

[PimpYo]

Wow, lookin' sexy.

[DarthBeavis]

There's a couple parallel threads on this, so here goes...

Our GTX 480 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1017) and GTX 470 (http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=1016) blocks are now available.

GTX 480:

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p0.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p1.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p2.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx480_p3.jpg

GTX 470:

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p0.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p1.jpg

http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/images/more/vid-nx470_p2.jpg

Tim
Tim you are always welcomed in my threads! Sexy block.

[hennyo]

I wanted to see what the EK one looked like really bad, but now I am SOOO tempted to put down on these Koolance ones.

[Prometheus2010]

:shocked:

That's a very sexy looking block from Koolance. I hope it's not as restrictive as the 58XX block counterpart. The LED looks EPIC!

[Dyn0miteMat]

looks good, can't wait to see the ek's

[Conumdrum]

Wow. I like the Koolance. You getting there. That is a smexy smexy block. Love to see a Skinnee test on it, you had better be on the ball with samples already to a few top watercoolers.

You might even get me to go bling on that. Very very cool looking, WOW!

The 360 and now this? Maybe your really okay.

[eternal_fantasy]

Was really looking forward to the new Koolance blocks, but seems they have once again gone down the path of "bling" instead of "class".. the plexi under stainless steel plate design looked cheap, and the LED just made it totally horrid.. I can see it in someone's build with 20 LEDs and few cathode disco lightshow in their case (really who puts LED in their GPU block cover these days? thought we moved on from that already..).

If Koolance comes out with a nickle plated brass top like their CPU-360 blocks (which I've just bought one) then I'd 100% be ordering a peice.

Have to say the water path and micro-channel location is sweet though. Shame.

[NaeKuh]

Was really looking forward to the new Koolance blocks, but seems they have once again gone down the path of "bling" instead of "class".. the plexi under stainless steel plate design looked cheap, and the LED just made it totally horrid.. I can see it in someone's build with 20 LEDs and few cathode disco lightshow in their case (really who puts LED in their GPU block cover these days? thought we moved on from that already..).

If Koolance comes out with a nickle plated brass top like their CPU-360 blocks (which I've just bought one) then I'd 100% be ordering a peice.

Have to say the water path and micro-channel location is sweet though. Shame.

actually when i was talking to dean, i asked him how many RMA's do you get from that thin acrylic layer, and he said very little.

The steel plate that is over the acrylic really reinforces it, so its resistant to cracking or chiping.

Dean told me the only RMA he saw was because someone used a wrench on the barbs and really cranked it to the point where the metal g1/4 thread cracked the acrylic.

Anyhow i have a spare acrylic for my classy board incase, and havent required a replacement yet.


But dayam Tim... that is one sexy block! :up:

[ottoyu34]

The Koolance 480 block is just on the spot.
VRM cooling with a window is beautiful.

[the finisher]

This is all some cool new stuff, Koolance is certainly doing a better job now.
Looking forward to seeing finished[nickle] DD, and the EK blocks.

[eternal_fantasy]

actually when i was talking to dean, i asked him how many RMA's do you get from that thin acrylic layer, and he said very little.

The steel plate that is over the acrylic really reinforces it, so its resistant to cracking or chiping.

Dean told me the only RMA he saw was because someone used a wrench on the barbs and really cranked it to the point where the metal g1/4 thread cracked the acrylic.

Anyhow i have a spare acrylic for my classy board incase, and havent required a replacement yet.


But dayam Tim... that is one sexy block! :up:

Yeah I know the steel plate is there to spread the load from the screws.. but if they didn't use plexi in the first place they don't need to go that extra step.

Anyhow I didn't mention anything about plexi cracking in my post. I believe we've discussed enough about that issue/non-issue. I simply don't like the look of the plexi/steel plate/optional LED, much preferring a clean nickle plated block with Koolance logo/markings on it. Just a matter of taste I guess. :up:

Also shame on the discolouration caused by laser cutting the steel plate. (maybe just the picture?)

[millertime359]

Man, I'm digging that Koolance block. That is really sweet with the window over the VRMs. Should look bling in an invert case with a clear roof. :yepp:

The hydrocopper looks nicer than the old ones too. I like the heatpipe idea and that they are including the single slot bracket.

[InCredible]

yea koolance block is sexy...DD definitely needs some nickel plated stuff...Xion X2 showed how great the DD blocks would look if only they were nickel plated..

[DarthBeavis]

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs385.snc3/23557_385577885982_86905545982_4391477_3977836_n.j pg

[Vapor]

Man I want to see some performance data on these...such different approaches it has me really curious!

[DarthBeavis]

Man I want to see some performance data on these...such different approaches it has me really curious!I will have a batch of three or so once they come back from the platers ;) Maybe by the time I get back from my Miami trip (will be gone next week). Trying to figure out if I should wear my Danger Den, Nvidia, or Asus mankini at the beach. Wait, I am going to hang out with the owners of Origin PC for the day some maybe an Origin mankini? Too many decisions.

[the finisher]

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs385.snc3/23557_385577885982_86905545982_4391477_3977836_n.j pg

That copper is pure sex, can't wait to see nickle plated ones!:shocked:

[NKrader]

gaww full copper?? gona rip the pci-x slots off the board? previous blocks were ridiculously heavy with acrylic tops..?

4 of these blocks on the same mobo might be enough weight to tear a hole in the space time continuum ..

[ottoyu34]

@Beavis: I like how the shot is like spy shots. Looking good!!

[NaeKuh]

Hey DB is that the block thats gonna be offered on the BFG watercooled cards?

And any idea on the MSRP on that card?

[BulldogPO]

Waiting for EK...

[quattro_]

more DD pix:

http://photos.dangerden.com/GPU-Blocks/GTX480/IMG0864/830737038_mrq2G-XL-1.jpg

http://photos.dangerden.com/gallery/11670834_WXH8T#830737038_mrq2G

[Duniek]

how thick is down part of block
6mm?

[DarthBeavis]

Thanks to my good friends at Danger Den (for the blocks) and Nvidia and Asus (for the GPUs and mobo) I do plan on doing 4 way SLI with 480s. Nvidia confirmed it will work with 480s. The current setup plan is to use two Feser 480s rads with the DD R3E blocks and a super-secret new release from DD along with Koolance manifolds to allow each block fresh coolant (hopefully enough flow). Using a D5 vario connected to the Koolance res/pump so should be super high-flow. Performance PCs unilsleeved a Silverstone Zues 1200 watt PSU for the project for me. Heck, even Fluid XP is donating some blood red coolant for the project (after emptying my Autopsy build and seeing the coolant still clear after a couple years as well as the same with my Hellmouth rig I have confidence in their stuff not separating). I will cut it will DI to achieve the desired viscosity. The case is my air-brushed pin-up Danger Den double-wide tower.

[Kaldskryke]

4 way SLI with 480s.
:shocked:

Performance PCs unilsleeved a Silverstone Zues 1200 watt PSU for the project for me.
Are you sure 1200W is going to be enough? I've heard the 480 can draw >300W on furmark... stock.

[Church]

Yeah, interesting what path gonna be taken to take care of that .. double PSUs? dual height 2000W PSU? Koolance 1700W liquid cooled PSU?

[Koolance]

Tim you are always welcomed in my threads! Sexy block.

Thanks DB, I didn't mean to thread hijack. Someone else posted Swiftech here and there wasn't a DD in the subject. (We also posted to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=248660)


The steel plate that is over the acrylic really reinforces it, so its resistant to cracking or chiping.

This used to be true, but from around our HD 5870/5890 blocks, we moved the flow path from the metal into the acrylic. So it's much thicker now, and you could remove the top steel plate if wanted. However, our acrylic isn't intended to be completely visible, so it might look a little cloudy in some areas (normally covered by the steel plate).


the plexi under stainless steel plate design looked cheap, and the LED just made it totally horrid..

A top copper/brass would cost us about the same as punched stainless with acrylic. We do it it foremost to reduce cooler weight. Looks-wise, it's definitely a personal preference thing. The LED's pull out easily enough, though. :)

Tim

[DarthBeavis]

:shocked:

Are you sure 1200W is going to be enough? I've heard the 480 can draw >300W on furmark... stock.
I have killawatt so I will see what the draw really is and take it from there. Can bump up to a 1500 watt Silverstone Strider (hopefully same modular cable pin outs) and have my air-brusher paint another PSU enclosure for me. I have a dedicated 20 amp circuit in my home office just for my rig ;)

[eth0s]

4x 480 Fermi's is going to be a monster rig. However, you may want to check your local ordinances as you may be under a legal obligation to notify the local power company before you power up your computer every day, so they can handle the line surge going to your house. Also watch out for melting wires, or the faint smell of smoke coming from your walls.

Obviously, I'm JK.

But on a serious note: I'm afraid I have to be "that guy", and say that the ATI 5870 is a better choice. Sorry, but it's true. I've got my single 5870 here with nothing special cooling it, (an EK waterblock and a PA120.3), and my max load temps never exceed 38C! And I'm getting crazy high frame rates in all the games that I like to play (which is the only benchmark that really matters.) Try that with your quad Fermi's, and feel free to cool 'em with Lake Superior if you want. Anyway, what I am trying to say is that the Fermi is really only a rational choice for the super-builders like DB, and possibly the sickest of enthusiasts like NaeKuh, but for normal people like me, I think the 5870 is a better choice. And I ain't no ATI fan-boy, so don't give me no guff about that, as I haven't had an ATI card since the 9800 Radeon Pro back in 1999.

[DarthBeavis]

4x 480 Fermi's is going to be a monster rig. However, you may want to check your local ordinances as you may be under a legal obligation to notify the local power company before you power up your computer every day, so they can handle the line surge going to your house. Also watch out for melting wires, or the faint smell of smoke coming from your walls.

Obviously, I'm JK.

But on a serious note: I'm afraid I have to be "that guy", and say that the ATI 5870 is a better choice. Sorry, but it's true. I've got my single 5870 here with nothing special cooling it, (an EK waterblock and a PA120.3), and my max load temps never exceed 38C! And I'm getting crazy high frame rates in all the games that I like to play (which is the only benchmark that really matters.) Try that with your quad Fermi's, and feel free to cool 'em with Lake Superior if you want. Anyway, what I am trying to say is that the Fermi is really only a rational choice for the super-builders like DB, and possibly the sickest of enthusiasts like NaeKuh, but for normal people like me, I think the 5870 is a better choice. And I ain't no ATI fan-boy, so don't give me no guff about that, as I haven't had an ATI card since the 9800 Radeon Pro back in 1999.please tell me how to game in 3d Stereo on a large flat panel TV with ATI cards ;)

[NaeKuh]

please tell me how to game in 3d Stereo on a large flat panel TV with ATI cards ;)

Well, we can 1 up that for ya.

Tell me how to game with 6 monitors on 2 videocards? :P

DB i noticed tho BFG no longer partners with DD. Nothing is on there site.
So does that mean those blocks arent the ones that BFG are gonna have on there LCS blocks?

[DarthBeavis]

Well, we can 1 up that for ya.

Tell me how to game with 6 monitors on 2 videocards? :P

DB i noticed tho BFG no longer partners with DD. Nothing is on there site.
So does that mean those blocks arent the ones that BFG are gonna have on there LCS blocks?gaming on six monitors with two videocards (think of the bezels) < gaming on one huge monitor in 3d or even 3 smaller monitors in 3d Surround.

3d gaming is the bomb dude.

[eth0s]

3d gaming is the bomb dude.

I am not going to wear those goggles no matter what u say, and u can't make me. :D But srsly, those goggles always give me a headache. I saw Avatar and I thought my head was going to explode. I can't imagine playing a video game with those things on.

[Elmy]

I've played some car racing game in 3D on DB's rig at PDXLAN. He was using some big 60" TV and I have to admit it was pretty damn impressive. I'm waiting for him to pull out the 3 60" TV's and do Nvidia's 3D surround. DB's motto go big or go home. LoL. Gotta love all his builds.

[the finisher]

I am not going to wear those goggles no matter what u say, and u can't make me. :D But srsly, those goggles always give me a headache. I saw Avatar and I thought my head was going to explode. I can't imagine playing a video game with those things on.

+1 on the goggles, me get headache.:(

[DarthBeavis]

+1 on the goggles, me get headache.:(
n00bs. I have 3D beer goggles as well

[snoro]

As far as 3d goggles, their is 2 types of them the passive one (The one most cinema have gave you for Avatar or Alice in Wonderland) and active one like nvidia sell for around 120$. The active one are battery powered and are supposed to be less annoying than the passive one. Cant really tell from own experience since i never tried some active shutter glasses but thats what i read about 3d stuff. Good thing to do would be to go check at one of your local store and try out a pair of active shutter glasses and see if its better than the passive shutter one ( the plasticy one with polaroïzed film). As for 3d gaming versus 6 monitor eyefinity setup, being a student i cant afford 6 monitor but i can maybe afford a smaller 3d monitor which i could only use with nvidia. Anyway, god damm those Koolance and Danger Den Block are pure NSFW stuff. Very nice job done by both company.

[DarthBeavis]

Jeremy FTW!!! http://www.dangerden.com/New-Products/gtx480-update-3.html

[the finisher]

That's cool, where's the rest, I'm gettin me a beer:toast2:

[R_1]

Here : http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dangerden#p/u/0/L_0w2_dXt5A

[Kaldskryke]

As far as 3d goggles, their is 2 types of them the passive one (The one most cinema have gave you for Avatar or Alice in Wonderland) and active one like nvidia sell for around 120$. The active one are battery powered and are supposed to be less annoying than the passive one. Cant really tell from own experience since i never tried some active shutter glasses but thats what i read about 3d stuff. Good thing to do would be to go check at one of your local store and try out a pair of active shutter glasses and see if its better than the passive shutter one ( the plasticy one with polaroïzed film).

You've got it backwards, man.

What the glasses do (active or passive) is make sure each eye gets a separate image.

With Active glasses, the screen is alternating between right-eye and left-eye frames really quickly. The glasses have little LCD "screens" that rapidly switch between black and clear. When the glasses are synced to the monitor, each eye is only able to see the screen when the frame for that eye is visible. The problem is that each eye is seeing a rather quick blinking effect. For 120Hz monitors, the blinking is at 60Hz which isn't too bad, but some people still notice it and it causes headaches. If the system ran at 240Hz, it would be less of a problem.

With passive glasses there's no blinking. The light that is projected onto the screen comes from two projectors - one for the right eye and one for the left eye. Each projector has a polarizing filter (usually clockwise and anticlockwise but older versions used plane polarization horizontal and vertical) - so even though the projections overlap the images can still be separated using the appropriate polarizing filters over each eye. Passive glasses have no moving parts and there's no blinking. No additional headache effect.

You might say, "well how come I get headaches from watching at the Theater then?". Well part of the problem is that stereoscopic content is not truly 3D. Even though objects in the film appear to be in front of or behind the screen, they are only in focus when your eyes are focusing on the screen. But your mind wants to focus on where the objects appear to be... and then it goes out of focus. It's this inconsistency between focal distance and perceived depth that tends to wreak havoc on our minds and it's something that's inherent to the technology. Unfortunately, a lot of people associate the headaches to the glasses and start whining about the glasses.

I still love stereoscopic gaming though.

[Waterlogged]

Geez, I had a Asus v7700 Deluxe waaaay back (old Gf2 days) that came with 3D glasses, still got it around here somewhere. Too bad they didn't really work with anything back then. :shakes:

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6926/v7700pack.jpg

[the finisher]

You've got it backwards, man.

What the glasses do (active or passive) is make sure each eye gets a separate image.

With Active glasses, the screen is alternating between right-eye and left-eye frames really quickly. The glasses have little LCD "screens" that rapidly switch between black and clear. When the glasses are synced to the monitor, each eye is only able to see the screen when the frame for that eye is visible. The problem is that each eye is seeing a rather quick blinking effect. For 120Hz monitors, the blinking is at 60Hz which isn't too bad, but some people still notice it and it causes headaches. If the system ran at 240Hz, it would be less of a problem.

With passive glasses there's no blinking. The light that is projected onto the screen comes from two projectors - one for the right eye and one for the left eye. Each projector has a polarizing filter (usually clockwise and anticlockwise but older versions used plane polarization horizontal and vertical) - so even though the projections overlap the images can still be separated using the appropriate polarizing filters over each eye. Passive glasses have no moving parts and there's no blinking. No additional headache effect.

You might say, "well how come I get headaches from watching at the Theater then?". Well part of the problem is that stereoscopic content is not truly 3D. Even though objects in the film appear to be in front of or behind the screen, they are only in focus when your eyes are focusing on the screen. But your mind wants to focus on where the objects appear to be... and then it goes out of focus. It's this inconsistency between focal distance and perceived depth that tends to wreak havoc on our minds and it's something that's inherent to the technology. Unfortunately, a lot of people associate the headaches to the glasses and start whining about the glasses.

I still love stereoscopic gaming though.


I say, where my holographic PC games, well guess it'll be awhile.:dammit:

Really, the Display Manufacturers are holding use back.:mad:

[snoro]

You've got it backwards, man.

What the glasses do (active or passive) is make sure each eye gets a separate image.


I still love stereoscopic gaming though.

thanks for the explanation

[eternal_fantasy]

EK 480 blocks up on their site:

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/c/fc480gtx-nickel-front.jpg

As usual, with options between Plexi/Acetal and plain copper/nickle plated. :up:

[dengyong]

EK 480 blocks up on their site:

http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/5e06319eda06f020e43594a9c230972d/f/c/fc480gtx-nickel-front.jpg

As usual, with options between Plexi/Acetal and plain copper/nickle plated. :up:

:shocked: That can't be an EK block... there's no aluminum outrigger......... j/k I like this one.

[ottoyu34]

EK blocks looks great.

Nice to see different approaches to VRM cooling.

[snoro]

now that we have seen block from the big name, i really like the Koolance one, it think it is the nicest one of those.

[pwolfe]

I'm pretty sure I'll be holding out for the ek 470 block coming on the 19th. That is if impatience doesn't get the best of me; koolance blocks would be my second choice.

[TradeWind]

For what it's worth, I recently had a chance to test 5970 blocks from Koolance and Swiftech. Although the GPU temps on the Swiftech were marginally better (approx. 5 C), the Swiftech did a much better job of cooling the VRMs.

The Koolance block did look a bit better. It just didn't measure up performance wise. :shrug:

Based on how well the Swiftech 5970 block performed, I'm curious to see how EVGA's FTW does with a hybrid Swiftech block. I am a little concerned, however, about it not being a full cover solution.

Any thoughts?

[hennyo]

So I have a question for those in the know, who has the better block for the 480 cooling wise between EK and DD? I have looked at both, and honestly I couldn't tell which would be better. I need to buy 3 blocks and been having a hard time getting a hold of some, and wanted an idea of which blocks I should be trying to obtain.

[DarthBeavis]

So I have a question for those in the know, who has the better block for the 480 cooling wise between EK and DD? I have looked at both, and honestly I couldn't tell which would be better. I need to buy 3 blocks and been having a hard time getting a hold of some, and wanted an idea of which blocks I should be trying to obtain.
No one has tested them side-to-side so no one can say. The only thing anyone can say is the DD is all metal (copper) and can be nickle-plated or not, the EK is copper bottom - can also be plated, and can have an acrylic top or delrin top but not metal top. The only thing that distinguishes them for now is the materials.

[EvilClocker]

DD FTW!

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/michellelane1971/gtx480.jpg

[skinnee]

No one has tested them side-to-side so no one can say.

Yet... :wasntme:

[Vapor]

GTX480 block review was announced last night, you should know Cam, you were the one who wrote this: http://twitter.com/skinneelabs :p:

[dinos22]

go hard Cam let's see it mate :up::D

[EvilClocker]

I currently have the DD block and the Koolance block. guess its time to switch to the koolance block and test

[xguntherc]

Please do.. I need to decide soon what to get.

[skinnee]

GTX480 block review was announced last night, you should know Cam, you were the one who wrote this: http://twitter.com/skinneelabs :p:

busted! :p:


go hard Cam let's see it mate :up::D

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