Which card do you think will be better the Nvidia are Ati?

[franklin5252]

I am in the process of thinking of buying the Nvidia are the Ati high end cards when they come out.Which one do you thing will be better for the most bang for your buck?Thanks.

[NKrader]

lol fail thread.. buy the one that scores best on reviews. or the one you like best.

[larrabee]

This should be a good resource:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality-update-3/benchmarks,70.html

Make sure to narrow down a budget first then decide on the best card in your price bracket. Also, include factors about your gaming resolution, quality, most played games, and required FPS.

[Flip_Lx]

The ATI will be better because sooner or later they'll just start slapping on quad phenoms onto their cards and make em uber l33t while nvidia fight with intel over using their processors....

[Sion-GT]

The ATI will be better because sooner or later they'll just start slapping on quad phenoms onto their cards and make em uber l33t while nvidia fight with intel over using their processors....

So we can expect a card half a meter long:rofl::rofl:and on it is 5 8-pin power socket and a power consumption of 500W at least~

[zanzabar]

as of now there is no reason to buy anything from NV unless u want a key chain

the 5850 is the card to buy IMO

[To(V)bo Co(V)bo]

as of now there is no reason to buy anything from NV unless u want a key chain

the 5850 is the card to buy IMO

Agree 100%, the 5850 is awesome. Great performance, low power usage, stays crazy cool (mine idles at 36c on air). Plays everything at 1080p flawlessly. Games are all console ports today anyways.

These new fermi cards aint gonna last for long. I predict a BIG refresh a.s.a.p, because these fermis are nowhere near profitable. Nobody is gonna make money on then. Just wait till Ati puts the squeeze on pricing and you will see, I bet fermi magically disappears due to "yields" when ati drops prices.

[shaolin95]

I love how some people come up with "fact" like they really know anything...Gees...

[MegadetHCl]

Agree 100%, the 5850 is awesome. Great performance, low power usage, stays crazy cool (mine idles at 36c on air). Plays everything at 1080p flawlessly. Games are all console ports today anyways.

These new fermi cards aint gonna last for long. I predict a BIG refresh a.s.a.p, because these fermis are nowhere near profitable. Nobody is gonna make money on then. Just wait till Ati puts the squeeze on pricing and you will see, I bet fermi magically disappears due to "yields" when ati drops prices.

"My cards! The yields do nothing!" :D

Like your avatar!

[E30M3]

Take a look in the ATI forum her on XS, there are only problems whit ATI cards and drivers.
nVidia is the one to get if you dont like problems

[SoulsCollective]

Take a look in the ATI forum her on XS, there are only problems whit ATI cards and drivers.
nVidia is the one to get if you dont like problems
Er...no. No, that statement is, in fact, completely wrong.

Your purchasing decisions are completely up to you, buy whichever makes you feel better, but please don't come in here and spread unsubstantiated FUD in the place of facts.

[LaMpiR]

Honestly, I would buy 480GTX if it would consume less power, this way I'm not sure if it's a good idea.

[H2O]

Removing power and heat from the decision making process, is the GTX470 a better buy over the HD5850?

[Chickenfeed]

Removing power and heat from the decision making process, is the GTX470 a better buy over the HD5850?

At the same price, totally. In reality, we won't know for a few weeks until we see how availability holds up and how retailers price them ( consistently )

[zanzabar]

Removing power and heat from the decision making process, is the GTX470 a better buy over the HD5850?

the 5850 will clock to 1ghz or higher easily were the 470 will only clock to 825 or so. that makes the 5850 a faster and cheaper lower wattage card so long as u get a reference or msi so u can change the voltage on the 5850

if some1 finds an easy v-mod or software/bios voltage control the oc will be better on the 470 but as of now the 5850 is the best bang for buck

[[XC] Oj101]

Er...no. No, that statement is, in fact, completely wrong.

Your purchasing decisions are completely up to you, buy whichever makes you feel better, but please don't come in here and spread unsubstantiated FUD in the place of facts.

Hmmm, I don't know, each person has their own experiences. I'm a total ATI fanboy, in the past five or so years as a 24/7 card I've owned a 9500 Pro, 9800XT, 7900GT, X1950XT, HD2900XT x4, HD2900XTX 1GB ES, and several 4xxx series cards. In the past six months I've had the worst computing experience of my life with completely random crashes, games locking up, black screens and driver recoveries which have disappeared since I grabbed a GTX260. I've eliminated hardware, as it is running flawlessly with the GTX, as well as software issues as some older drivers worked quite well and I went through several Windows installations. I can't comment on the 5xxx series.

[[XC] Oj101]

the 5850 will clock to 1ghz or higher easily were the 470 will only clock to 825 or so. that makes the 5850 a faster and cheaper lower wattage card so long as u get a reference or msi so u can change the voltage on the 5850

if some1 finds an easy v-mod or software/bios voltage control the oc will be better on the 470 but as of now the 5850 is the best bang for buck

You can't compare clock speeds for performance as the CPC performance is different between the cards. It's like comparing a Pentium 631 at 5.4GHz on air to an i7 975X at 4.5GHz on air, different architectures have different performance per clock cycle. Also, on the 5850 cards the cores are running at 725MHz whereas on the GTX470 it's 1401MHz with only the backend running at 650MHz. Considering the GTX has 900,000,000 extra transistors it's no surprise that it doesn't clock as high, although it does get better gains from clocking.

[Frag Maniac]

Gotta agree with Oj, you can't just say a high clock on a 5850 is going to render better performance, esp considering how much better the 400s are at high tesselation. Problem is, too many people are basing their opinions on what will soon be old game tech. On the other hand I also think there are far too many people implying there's been no problems with ATI product.

I can't believe you bought a string of ATI cards Oj, then kept buying them after the st,st,st,st,stutttering X1000 series. OK, maybe they didn't stutter on all systems, but it was common enough a problem that some devs started writing tweaks (that didn't work) for "ATI cards that stutter". That being said, the 260 certainly isn't the best example of a solid Nvidia card. It uses older architecture and there's been a certain (though small) percentage of strange problems reported with them, though some a bit outlandish and hard to swallow (not saying yours is).

The way I look at it, ATI DX11 cards are like CRTs when they went to flat screens and Fermi more like a true flat panel that's yet to be fully refined and exploited, in both design and software support from devs. The undelivered performance claims so many are upset about were based on all 512 cores working and no doubt a smaller die size. It was the griping about them not yet having a DX11 card yet that in large part was responsible for them pushing to get it to market before they could implement what they knew Fermi is capable of.

What's ironic is, now that they HAVE come to market with a GPU more DX11 capable than any other, they get bashed for it being before it's time, as if it will be trash before there's enough games to make use of it. Well which way do you want it people? Do you even realize this kind of advance in tech takes a process of early adoption and patience, involving things that are beyond Nvidia's control?

[[XC] Oj101]

When I owned the X1950XT I was HEAVY into Quake 3, CS1.5 and Age of Empires 2 (CS was the worst, 3-6 hours per day even if it had to be single player :rofl: ) so I would never have noticed stuttering. HD2900 era was when I started HL2, Far Cry, UT2004, etc, so I completely missed stuttering. To be honest this is the first I've heard of it :D

As for the GTX260, while you say it is not the best choice I haven't had any issues yet (touch wood) and bought it planning to use it purely for PhysX with something a lot more powerful for the rendering side. It might be a GTX485, it might be an HD6870 - I don't know. Based on my experiences thus far (being my first NV card since the 7900GT, and having only owned it for under two weeks) I can say I'm leaning mighty heavily towards a revised Fermi based card. F@H and GPUGrid being so fast/running at all are really pushing even more heavily. Finances are VERY awkward right now though, so I have time to try this card nicely and make a decision.

[Frag Maniac]

LOL, sorry, misread that. Thought you said you had nothing but problems since getting the 260. I hope you don't mean you bought it for a dedicated PhysX card, because even a 240 will work for that.

[[XC] Oj101]

Yip, dedicated PhysX. If a GT240 can reach 100% load while doing physics calculations then it's either borderline or not fast enough. Why not go all out? :shrug:

[zanzabar]

You can't compare clock speeds for performance as the CPC performance is different between the cards. It's like comparing a Pentium 631 at 5.4GHz on air to an i7 975X at 4.5GHz on air, different architectures have different performance per clock cycle. Also, on the 5850 cards the cores are running at 725MHz whereas on the GTX470 it's 1401MHz with only the backend running at 650MHz. Considering the GTX has 900,000,000 extra transistors it's no surprise that it doesn't clock as high, although it does get better gains from clocking.

i was more comparing that the 470 only get an oc of 14-16%, but the 5850 gets 25-30%, so with the 5850 not being to much slower than the 470 once u oc both the 5850 will come out on top (unless u have something thats almost all geometry work and not to much texture work)


Yip, dedicated PhysX. If a GT240 can reach 100% load while doing physics calculations then it's either borderline or not fast enough. Why not go all out? :shrug:

if its a card that is not rendering it will be at 100% usage all of the time for physX, even a UT3 phsyX map will top it out

[[XC] Oj101]

BUT, the GTX gets better gains per MHz overclock.

[INFRNL]

I personally would go Nvidia route because I run gpugrid and F@H. I do not play games, so that aspect does not mean anything. I have run both ATI and Nvidia throughought the years and both are great for my use. This last year I switched over to nvidia exclusively dut to folding.
I am not liking the fact that gtx 470/480 consume so much power and produce so much heat though. I was goint to sell the rest of my cards to get some fermis, but I may have to wait for the next revision. I am trying to save on electric bill. I will have to wait for more results on fermi cards before making a final decision.

[Stealth42o]

I am not liking the fact that gtx 470/480 consume so much power and produce so much heat though. I was goint to sell the rest of my cards to get some fermis, but I may have to wait for the next revision. I am trying to save on electric bill. I will have to wait for more results on fermi cards before making a final decision.

Same here. Still running dual 9800 GTX+'s. They are beginning to struggle with new games and was going to pick up the new Nvidia cards right away.

They will be under water so heat is no problem, however if the consume that much energy, I may skip them and buy my first ATI card ever (Oh the humanity).

[zanzabar]

I personally would go Nvidia route because I run gpugrid and F@H. I do not play games, so that aspect does not mean anything. I have run both ATI and Nvidia throughought the years and both are great for my use. This last year I switched over to nvidia exclusively dut to folding.
I am not liking the fact that gtx 470/480 consume so much power and produce so much heat though. I was goint to sell the rest of my cards to get some fermis, but I may have to wait for the next revision. I am trying to save on electric bill. I will have to wait for more results on fermi cards before making a final decision.

shouldnt it be 2-5x faster for cuda though when compared to a g200b, the PPD per watt should be good