P4 EE round 2!

[mdzcpa]

After finding the limits of my P4 EE using only my trusty pelt system, I decided to take things up a notch or two.

With that, here's my work-in-progress shot. I'll have some benches by tomorrow night.

http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/PommieWIP.JPG

New cooling goodies include the Prommie with matching case, and a Swiftech MCW50-T with a 80w (soon to be 172w) pelt cooled by a Swiftech 22501 HD cooling kit (MCP 600 pump, fill n bleed kit, 676 twin 120mm rad, all using 1/2" OD lines). The upper case has been modded to accept the 676 rad. A meanwell S 320 PSU will power the TEC, pump, and rad fans and will be fitted into a 5 1/4" bay(the PSU in the pic will be used as my bench unit).

Everything will be 100% self contained...and relatively quiet....a requirement for my Gaming Rig. Couple the improved cooling with my P4 Expensive Edition and 9800 Pro, I am hoping things will get more interesting. I'm not gonna crush the Orb or anything, but it'll still be fun:D

BTW, a quick "thanks" to Major Slaughter for his contributions to my cause;)

More to follow soon....

[Major]

:toast: looking good !! can't wait to hear some results ;)

[Kunaak]

now why oh why does that prometeia look familiar?

;)

[WesM63]

Hey mike,
A prommie huh :D

I just get the pelt system all ready to go and you go out and buy a prommie lol

:D

Good luck w/it M8.

[Iridium192_217]

looks like you got a prommy after all....

can't wait to see some results:)

[skate2snow]

looking very cool!!!! im sure it will work at 110% ;) :toast:

[faruquehabib]

yes, very clean and professional looking. :toast:

[Soulburner]

Question, why the 1/2" OD lines? Isn't that only 3/8" ID? That is pretty restrictive for your water flow...

Or was that a typo and you meant 1/2" ID?

[OPPAINTER]

Ecxellent job Mike:toast:

Looks like your rig will be a top notch gamming rig. You should write an article and that Bad boy once she is all set up:)

OPP

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Question, why the 1/2" OD lines? Isn't that only 3/8" ID? That is pretty restrictive for your water flow...

Or was that a typo and you meant 1/2" ID?

Nope...I definitely wanted to go with 3/8" ID for a few reasons. The biggest reason is that I'll only be running the GPU TEC off the cooling system. So even with a 172w TEC in the MCW50-T, it'll still have plenty enough cooling. Second, the 676 rad which physically fits so well for this application is rather restrictive. So going with 1/2" ID wouldn't get me anywhere as the rad would be the choke point. Same goes with the MCW50-T which would need 3/8" to 1/2" adapters just to accomodate the hose.



Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Looks like your rig will be a top notch gamming rig. You should write an article and that Bad boy once she is all set up:)

OPP

Hmmm...that's not a bad idea at all...perhaps I will:) The idea behind the system is to have it as extreme as possible while maintaining an "OEM" feel. Maybe that would make a nice article.

Thanks for the kudos:)

[Slickthellama]

ewww... look at the pump. It's a swiftech :slapass:

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by Slickthellama
ewww... look at the pump. It's a swiftech :slapass:
I sense a bit of jealousy....

[NaHeMiA]

yup he finally took a few steps above that pelt :)

Loking good mdzcpa...how abotu some pics from the front :D

good luck w/ fitting everything in that case

[Creative]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
The idea behind the system is to have it as extreme as possible while maintaining an "OEM" feel.
Just like how my rig is a 24/7 gaming, browsing, benching rig and always has been :thumbsup:

Look forward to the results mdzcpa - DESKTOP systems all the way!!!!!! :banana:

hehehehe

[Soulburner]

And all of those tubes, wires, and evap head are helping you maintain this "OEM" feel? Since when can you find these options on a Dell...?

:D

[charlie]

lol...

DELL!

C

[JoeBar]

Originally posted by Soulburner
And all of those tubes, wires, and evap head are helping you maintain this "OEM" feel? Since when can you find these options on a Dell...?

:D

:lol:
OEM feeling... :rotf:

[PGgagne]

Cant wait to see the resolts.

Good luck:)

[NaHeMiA]

DELL LoL

Need I say more?

[mdzcpa]

Well...it's all up and running fine. The 4 Ghz barrier is history!

As promised, everything about this gaming system is 100% self contained and very very quiet. It has endured hours of gaming so far without any heat or stability issues. It's completely portable (although it is a bit heavy) and has already traveled with me for some LAN gaming.

BTW, what I mean about "OEM feel" is that the system is quiet, self contained, portable, and operates at the touch of a single button. That's what "feel" means. Componentry...well, that's another story altogether:)

Specs:
P4 3.2 EE
IC7-G Max II
2 x 512 Corsair XMS 4000 (CAS 2.5 7,3,3 @ 1:1)
9800 Pro (495/371)
2 Raptors in RAID 0
Sony DVD-ROM
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz
PC Power and Cooling Turbo Cool 510

CPU Cooling:
Mach I (no Mods)

GPU Cooling:
MCW50-T, MCP600 pump, 676 rad with quiet twin 120mm fans. The Swiftech fill and bleed kit resides in an optical drive bay.

A Meanwell S-320 is also installed in an optical drive bay, and powers the 80w pelt (172w on the way), the pump, rad fans, and the Prommie so the cooling system can be started manually for cool down before booting (if so desired). With the flick of a switch, the Meanwell can be powered up through a relay which only allows the cooling system to run along with system power if I decide to run things in super safe mode.

I still need to work on tidying up the cabling and shortening some hose lengths here and there, but otherwise it is ready to rumble. Here's a pic:
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/prommiedone.jpg

Performance is great considering that this is a true gaming rig and not at all for pure benching. Here's a bit of SuperPi:
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/PrommiePi.JPG

3DMark runs fine at 4.2Ghz, but I don't like to keep the core voltage that high for daily gaming use, so I'll stick with posting the scores I will run in day to day configuration. With my old 9800 Pro which overclocks poorly (495/371), and my 6 month old WinXP install, the system still manages 25K 3D Marks with CAT 3.7s. Not bad.
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/Prommie3D.JPG

Needless to say, I'm really stoked. I've got another LAN party coming up Jan 2. Can't wait to see the looks I get:D Those guys think I'm totally nuts. Well.....I guess I am:cool:

I'll try to put up more benches later. Peace.

[Speed_Mechanic]

Great gaming system you built yourself there :)

Nice looking as well, clean and all.

[WesM63]

Great looking system bud :D

[st0nedpenguin]

It's nice to see stellar results from a 24/7 gaming rig now and again, take that think to the LAN party, stand back, and just wait for the admiration. :D

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
3DMark runs fine at 4.2Ghz, but I don't like to keep the core voltage that high for daily gaming use, so I'll stick with posting the scores I will run in day to day configuration. With my old 9800 Pro which overclocks poorly (495/371), and my 6 month old WinXP install, the system still manages 25K 3D Marks with CAT 3.7s. Not bad.
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/Prommie3D.JPG


25K marks, should be more than that, no ? Is that with HT enabled ? HT disabled should give you a nice boost.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by NapalmV5
25K marks, should be more than that, no ? Is that with HT enabled ? HT disabled should give you a nice boost.
HT does not affect 3DMark2001SE in any way whatsoever.

I run with it disabled too just so it is not a limiting factor in overclocking.

[WesM63]

With my old 9800 Pro which overclocks poorly (495/371), and my 6 month old WinXP install, the system still manages 25K 3D Marks with CAT 3.7s. Not bad.

Napalm,
That could be why ;)

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by Soulburner
HT does not affect 3DMark2001SE in any way whatsoever.

I run with it disabled too just so it is not a limiting factor in overclocking.


HT disabled - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7337689

HT enabled - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7337777

[NapalmV5]

Originally posted by WesM63
Napalm,
That could be why ;)

Oh.....

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by NapalmV5
HT disabled - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7337689

HT enabled - http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7337777
Yup exactly, HT doesn't do anything like I said.

Look at your Car Low results, theres the reason for the change in score. That test varies every time you run it because of the physics engine it uses.

[Creative]

VERY NICE FOOKIN RESULTS BUD!!!! :banana:

4.2 stable in the prommy? :eek: :eek:

Im going back to mine and will do some more tests now that Ive had her for a month. I couldnt get much stable over 250fsb so for you to get 260 is awesome :thumbsup:

Wish it wasnt summer here ;) :D
hehehehe

[mdzcpa]

Thanks for the kudos guys:D

Wes is correct about what's keepin the 3D scores down. If I was running Win 2K SP1, CAT 3.2s, and disabled all the background services, I'd likely see another 1000 points or so. And that's not to mention I'm using an older 9800 Pro which I picked up the week they came out. It just doesn't overclock that well. Given the budget I set to build the rig, I'm not going to spend another $400+ for an XT (just for the sake of bench scores) when my 9800 Pro is running fine. I'd rather wait for the next gen ATI card and slap that puppy in there!!

Perhaps I'll load Win 2K SP1 and the CAT 3.2s on a spare drive just for benching....hmmm....that might be fun:D

[MrIcee]

Mike:)

Absolutely fantastic job and workmanship my friend:thumbsup:
Nice to see craftsmanship at its best.

And mdzcpa with a Prommy?? OMG....whats this world coming too:D

Mike...the 172watt pelt for the MCW50T....aren't they 24v? I thought about that upgrade but the Meanwell is only 12v. Are you using another PSU or did you find a 12v 172 watt pelt??

Randi:D

[Soulburner]

You can run it at 12v for approx. half the wattage, or about 83w.

[MrIcee]

Yeah...that I knew my friend:)

It's hardly worth the swap in TEC's if you are running it comparatively at the same wattage as the TEC you replaced tho. That was why I was inquiring.....I have wanted to make the upgrade from the 80 watt TEC....I just don't have the 24V PSU to take full advantage of the 172 watt TEC.

We're limited in upgrade paths as the maximum TEC size is 40mmx40mm for the MCW50T.

Randi:D

[Soulburner]

Yeah I know I hate that we have to stick with 40x40...50x50 would be a definete advantage, I looked for one but no one makes one for video cards. Hopefully someone will step up to the plate and make one.

I think going from 80 (rated for 15.2v or so) to 172 (rated for 24.6v) is a good upgrade though because you are going from 53w of power to 83w of power off a 12v PSU which should net you significantly better temperatures and a nice boost in your overclock.

[Levish]

i get significantly better 3dmark01se scores with HT off ... 250-300 marks usually, noticeably FPS improvement too

Higher MB5 reported Idle temps (which don't matter too much to me)

[Soulburner]

Not if you use XP like you're supposed to with Intel.

HT on/off is the same in 3DM01.

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by MrIcee
Absolutely fantastic job and workmanship my friend:thumbsup:
Nice to see craftsmanship at its best.

And mdzcpa with a Prommy?? OMG....whats this world coming too:D

Mike...the 172watt pelt for the MCW50T....aren't they 24v? I thought about that upgrade but the Meanwell is only 12v. Are you using another PSU or did you find a 12v 172 watt pelt??


Nope...I'm just getting the 172w rated for 24v and just running it off the 12v PSU. Like Soulburner mentioned, I've read that people were indeed getting better temps this way even though the 172 is being "underpowered." I'm not sure I understand why, but I've seen numerous examples of modest success doing this. I'll certainly let you know how well it works.

Thanks for kudos Randi:) Yep, me with a Prommy...who'd a thunk it:D


Originally posted by Soulburner
Not if you use XP like you're supposed to with Intel.

HT on/off is the same in 3DM01.

Yep...same results here...no diff.

[mdzcpa]

I'm still tweaking....
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/26430.JPG

[MrIcee]

Looking great Mike:)

How's the 172 watter doing on 12 volts? I'm quite interested in your findings my friend:)

Randi:D

[mdzcpa]

Randi:

Unfortunately it's still in transit (I should have had it 2 or 3 day aired). I hope I get it before the holiday so I can get it running during the break.

I'll definitely keep you posted:)

[Iridium192_217]

don't you think that vcores a bit high? I don't like going above 1.7 with my chip

whatever happened to the prommy being unpractical?

[Creative]

The EE loves vcore....I run mine at about 1.78load also for my 4ghz and FUGGER ran his at about 1.95 iirc :thumbsup:

MDZCPA, keep going and look forward to the 172watt results :)

[NaHeMiA]

Come on mike lets see 27~28K you can do it :D

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
don't you think that vcores a bit high? I don't like going above 1.7 with my chip

The EE loves the voltage as Creative says. To be honest I'm not really as concerned about higher voltage on the EE based on how the chip reacts to it. Unlike the P4C chips which quickly reach a point where more voltage has no effect, the EE just keeps overclocking higher and higher with increases in voltage. The big L3 cache seems to need the extra juice, and the large die size of the EE most likely helps heat dissipation and transference.

whatever happened to the prommy being unpractical?

Frankly speaking, I just worked my ass off to "make it practical." Getting everything into the case nice and tidy, and secure for frequent transport was not easy at all. In addtion, serious heat conditions had to be addressed to allow for hours of gaming without removing any panels. Proper use and placement of the fill and bleed kit and the TEC PSU were crucial. Finally, the "tune" on the rig had to be compromised to be totally self contained, portable, and have decent asthetics. If the rig was strictly for benching performance, I'd have it sprawled out all over my workbench for best results.

This new Gaming Rig has been a well thought out endeavor:)

Edit- BTW, thanks for the encouragement guys:) I'm gonna see if I can wring a little more performance out of it over the holidays.:banana:

[Iridium192_217]

So 1.8 volts on a $1000 CPU doesn't scare you a bit?

Sure your rig is self-contained & mighty fast, but how much fun is it to pick up? Picking my Prommy is not fun at all. Do you have wheels under it or anything? Maybe your a strong person?:D

[Hardass]

Well done Mike!:toast: Can,t wait for the step by step article, so I can do the same with mine.:D Looks really good my friend.

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Iridium192_217
So 1.8 volts on a $1000 CPU doesn't scare you a bit?

Nope....nerves of steal I guess. I've been modding and overclocking this stuff since the original Pentium Pro came out in 1995. I guess you get used to the risks. Heck, it just seems like yesterday when I took a soldering iron to my first Slot A Athlon 600 just to change the off die cache divisors. That AMD chip ran me about $600 back in 1999.

Sure your rig is self-contained & mighty fast, but how much fun is it to pick up? Picking my Prommy is not fun at all. Do you have wheels under it or anything? Maybe your a strong person?

Actually it's not nearly as bad as I thought to move it. I was in error as to how heavy it would be. Perhaps you need to work out more;)

Edit- Just kidding...it's heavy as hell compared to a typical OEM box, but it is still portable enough to take it to LAN parties:)

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Hardass
Well done Mike!:toast: Can,t wait for the step by step article, so I can do the same with mine.:D Looks really good my friend.

Thanks! I really do appreciate the positive comments and support.

You guys know me. When I do something, I like to do it according to plan and I judge my success on how well it reaches the project's goals. In this case, this project turned out better than I hoped:)

[afireinside]

Nice job man :D Love how you always manage to keep everything in a case and sleek but still get some xtreme in it and it appears to be pretty damn xtreme this time ;)

How much does the whole thing weigh?

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by afireinside
Love how you always manage to keep everything in a case and sleek but still get some xtreme in it

Bingo! That's my calling. That's exactly what I enjoy doing.

I see many very xtreme performance rigs that consume an entire workbench. I also see many very nice looking rigs that have pretty darn good, but not xtreme, performance. Finding the best blend is where it's at for me. It's a great challenge.

How much does the whole thing weigh?

I dunno:confused: I'll have to plop it on the scale and find out.

[Iridium192_217]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
Originally posted by Iridium192_217
So 1.8 volts on a $1000 CPU doesn't scare you a bit?

Nope....nerves of steal I guess. I've been modding and overclocking this stuff since the original Pentium Pro came out in 1995. I guess you get used to the risks. Heck, it just seems like yesterday when I took a soldering iron to my first Slot A Athlon 600 just to change the off die cache divisors. That AMD chip ran me about $600 back in 1999.

Sure your rig is self-contained & mighty fast, but how much fun is it to pick up? Picking my Prommy is not fun at all. Do you have wheels under it or anything? Maybe your a strong person?

Actually it's not nearly as bad as I thought to move it. I was in error as to how heavy it would be. Perhaps you need to work out more;)

Edit- Just kidding...it's heavy as hell compared to a typical OEM box, but it is still portable enough to take it to LAN parties:)

lol portable LAN games as in from your room upstairs to the basement?

Your willingness to give your cpu volts is inspiring, today Im gonna feed mine a lot:D

[Corvette]

When I was looking into TEC I read that they work most efficient at 2/3 their rated voltage.

Vette

[sandman]

Well, an 80watter at 12V is right around 55watts. A 172 at 12V is around 85watts.

The 80watter will give you 80watts at like 15V.

[Creative]

Nice MDZCPA. Ive got a small update too :)

Got a MAX3 now and first of all Ill say that for OCing the EE in general, its better than the Asus board. But for 3dmark etc the Asus is HEAPS better - by about 300-400 points on my machine....and I dont know why....maybe its the memory timings not being as aggresive on the Abit, Im not sure. Im not seeing anywhere near my peak fps. eg in Lobby Low I could see 700fps, now my peak is about 685 :(

Can prime at 260fsb in 3:2 mode but only up to 245 in 1:1 mode, but can bench at 253 3dmark though. Its really annoying cos Lobby and Car are both down about 10fps but the Graphics card tests are pretty much the same, if not a little better.

I guess Ill do some investigating, but currently Im a little disappointed cos perhaps its as everyone says - THe Asus is a better board than the Abit for 3dmarking.....time will tell :thumbsup:

ps
I forgot to mention....anything above 253fsb and I need to put her at 1.925 vcore in the bios, and that gives me 1.89load - which is PERFECT for the EE....now I just have to wait till after NY and we getting r404a in the prommys.....kinda like going back to WInter temps :p:
hehehehehe

[EmineM]

can you run some benches ( 3dmark01 and 03) please? I am still thinking of buying a EE over an FX 51.

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by EmineM
can you run some benches ( 3dmark01 and 03) please? I am still thinking of buying a EE over an FX 51.

http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/26430.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/PrommiePi.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/ctiaw.JPG http://home.comcast.net/~mdzcpa/photos/prommie/sandracpu.JPG

The thing to remember is that these are not bansi runs. This is 24/7 stable stuff with the case closed. No volt mods to the mobo or vid card either. With that in mind, these scores are much more impressive IMOHO.

As MM has said, the FX-51 is the faster processor overall. The reason you might want to go EE is if you already have a good P4 mobo and good RAM. I went EE because I already had a solid canterwood board and lots of good memory. I didn't want to have to buy another mobo and reg ram along with the FX itself. In the end, the EE was the cheaper route to go as MM stated. Another thing I find nice, is that the EE seems to be much more unique. Definitely fewer of these beasts are running along out there. I kinda like that too.

[Kanavit]

mdzcpa

thats a sick setup u got there!:) i'd be so happy just to have an EE to play with. Do you play any games on that system?

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Kanavit
Do you play any games on that system?

All the time....That's what it's built for!:banana:

In fact, it's going to another LAN party with me on Friday Jan 2 for a 16 hour marathon of gaming, file sharing (sshhh), etc.

[MrIcee]

Mike:)

Just checking in, did you get the 172 watter installed in the MCW50-T?? Thanks in advance ! Great work my friend:thumbsup:

Randi:D

[mdzcpa]

Sorry to disappoint Randi, but things got pushed back due to the holdays. The 172w is here though. I'm gonna try to get it done this weekend:)

[EmineM]

hmm impressive, what were your timings on the ram? A friend of mine just had 33 s at 1m super pi at cas 3. and 4 ghz EE.

Well i got the opportunity to get a used FX chip that clocked pretty high so it would be cheaper for me getting a fx system now instead of an EE chip. However what makes me think is why on earth charlie now got an EE instead of sticking to his FX.

[rashio]

stormpc do u not like EE's?

i mean do u have a problem with them and ppl praising mdzcpa for his OC?

[JoeBar]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
Another thing I find nice, is that the EE seems to be much more unique. Definitely fewer of these beasts are running along out there. I kinda like that too.

Agree... :)

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse
look here if he ran a "GOOD" run on 2k1 wiht the huge clocks he could have ran on 2k3 on the asus I bet they would have both been at 31k+.. but everything has limits its finding the best combo

Well said....and so very true.

As far as seeing where the EE would go "air cooled" who knows. I graduated from air cooling my gaming rigs years ago so I never even bothered to see. If you're into "bang for the buck" the FX would lose all day long to the AMD64 +3200 anyway. That's not what this thread is about:)

[Hardass]

This thread was not started so you couple members can come in here and ruin it with your debate. It ends now. Continue and you will be gone!

[Hardass]

Originally posted by StormPC
Sorry, I thought this was as all other threads. So the free exchange of ideas only applies to those you personally agree with, is that it?

Please ban me now, as these threads are nothing more than stroke sessions if debating is not allowed.:mad:

The last member who asked to be banned got his wish! Debate in your own thread. Start one about the cpu being discussed here, don,t come in and start a argument in someone else,s thread. He would not do that to you.

[mdzcpa]

Thank you Hardass:)

The thing to remember is that not every thread here at XS is all about competition, nor about who has the fastest set up, nor about any other prepubescent pissing contests.

The topic of this thread is clearly about my gaming rig project and what results it acheived....period. The thread is for those who wish to ask questions, offer suggestions for improvement, use ideas for their systems, etc. Most BS posts on this thread are from those who obviously did not read the entire thread. If they did, they clearly have a reading comprehension issue.

If the title of thread said, "hey, can you beat this?", it would be different. But that's clearly not the topic. Those who read this thread are looking for P4EE performance info, or are just curious as to what I have built this time around.

Does this not make sense?

[sandman]

It makes sense. :) How well does thst swiftech Rad handle the heat from the Gpu and TEC?

Also, is that the 2x120mm fan version of that radiator?

[cowpuppy]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
All the time....That's what it's built for!:banana:

In fact, it's going to another LAN party with me on Friday Jan 2 for a 16 hour marathon of gaming, file sharing (sshhh), etc.

Hey Mike just wanted to ask about these LAN parties here in MI, who do I get in contact with and where are they being held at?

Thanx
Cowpuppy

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by sandman
How well does thst swiftech Rad handle the heat from the Gpu and TEC?

It does great. With only the GPU/TEC to cool I probably have more rad than I need. I haven't even bothered checking water temps as the rad never gets warm.

Also, is that the 2x120mm fan version of that radiator?

Yep, it's the swiftech 676 rad with two very quiet low speed fans. Higher cfm units just aren't needed (or wanted).

The only issue, and it's a small one, is that the rad area is the only exhuast area for the case aside form the PSU. As exhausting a case goes, having twin 120mm blow holes is great and rids the case of all the heat which has accumulated in the top. However, rad temps must be less than optimal as all the case heat is exhausted through it. On the other hand, the rad hardly gets warm at all, so i'm not gonna worry about it right now.

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by cowpuppy
Hey Mike just wanted to ask about these LAN parties here in MI, who do I get in contact with and where are they being held at?


Virtually all of the events I attend are just hosted by the guys I know and hang out with. Most of the time it is held in one particular guy's basement (which is huge) in Macomb Township. He has all the goodies we need already pre set up (servers, hubs, cable drops, power supply, etc). We usually get 20 to 25 guys. $10 or so a head, it covers all the food, beer, pop, and munchies you can eat, plus non stop gaming for 14 to 16 hours. 12 on 12 BF1942 matches are the best espeically when you can talk trash with everyone in the same big room:D

If you ever feel like taggin along, just PM me. These guys are good people and you'd be welcome.

I'll have the new rig there tomorrow.

[sandman]

Thanks, I'm going to look into that for the top of my case. :)

BTw, how far from Ohio are those LAN parties?

[StormPC]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
Thank you Hardass:)

The thing to remember is that not every thread here at XS is all about competition, nor about who has the fastest set up, nor about any other prepubescent pissing contests.

The topic of this thread is clearly about my gaming rig project and what results it acheived....period. The thread is for those who wish to ask questions, offer suggestions for improvement, use ideas for their systems, etc. Most BS posts on this thread are from those who obviously did not read the entire thread. If they did, they clearly have a reading comprehension issue.

If the title of thread said, "hey, can you beat this?", it would be different. But that's clearly not the topic. Those who read this thread are looking for P4EE performance info, or are just curious as to what I have built this time around.

Does this not make sense?

I asked you how much your rig was and you didn't answer. Either you have a problem with me or with the cost of your system, or perhaps it is YOU who has comprehension issues.

I guess it's understandable that you don't want to talk about cost.

Anyway, nice rig!:toast:

[mdzcpa]

Depends on where in Ohio:) It's about an hour drive from Toledo.

[Hardass]

Originally posted by StormPC
I asked you how much your rig was and you didn't answer. Either you have a problem with me or with the cost of your system, or perhaps it is YOU who has comprehension issues.

I guess it's understandable that you don't want to talk about cost.

Anyway, nice rig!:toast:

StormPC you just got your wish! Poof banned.

[sandman]

hmmm....maybe when I'm 16 then. ;)

I'm about 40 minutes southwest of Toledo.