MSI Radeon HD5870 Lightning [Archive]

ajaidev

12-16-2009, 03:12 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/lixianglover/09121618406ef71e52c42c130f.jpg

I cant see anything :( odd

If this is the same thing i found this

http://www.donanimhaber.com/image.aspx/images/haber/msi_hd5870_linghtining_dh_fx57.jpg

AA are those 2* 8 pin power connectors woot

[XC] gomeler

12-16-2009, 03:16 AM

There we go, was waiting on this :) Power limited? I think not! :cool:

Biker

12-16-2009, 03:20 AM

Someone will say it has got 2GB of ram next (woohoo!) :D

ajaidev

12-16-2009, 03:26 AM

I was thinking its the new dreamliner 787 for a sec :)

madcho

12-16-2009, 03:27 AM

huge power ... 300W is already a lot ...

WaterFlex

12-16-2009, 03:59 AM

Nice pic:scope:

Jowy Atreides

12-16-2009, 03:59 AM

looks like this will be a benchers card :)

zalbard

12-16-2009, 04:09 AM

Someone will say it has got 2GB of ram next (woohoo!) :D
Um, doesn't look it?
But yeah, looks sweet! :D

skycrane

12-16-2009, 04:56 AM

ahhh, finally someone has done what i suggested over a year ago... to finally make the cards wider instead of longer, it would save space in the case, and be able to move everythig closer to the gpu... ty MSI, ill be one of the first to buy this and you have a customer for life now. :)

yup, i did say that

not if, but when :)

the one question i have is this... why are the cards only like 5" wide ??

wouldnt it make sence to increase the width of the card by 1-3 inches, and still fit all the 448 bit *2, 28 GDDR3 chips, two 470 mm^2 GPU chips into a shorter card

dinos22

12-16-2009, 05:12 AM

FINALLY someone decided to expand in height rather than length hehehe

it's a bit lame that someone leaked an internal doco like that i guess though

skycrane

12-16-2009, 05:17 AM

i know what you mean, its only like what 2009 ???

wez

12-16-2009, 05:18 AM

ahhh, finally someone has done what i suggested over a year ago... to finally make the cards wider instead of longer, it would save space in the case, and be able to move everythig closer to the gpu... ty MSI, ill be one of the first to buy this and you have a customer for life now. :)

yup, i did say that

Well its all about compatibility I guess. But on a custom card like this they can stretch the rules a little ;)

dinos22

12-16-2009, 05:22 AM

Well its all about compatibility I guess. But on a custom card like this they can stretch the rules a little ;)

true and thats what theyve told me but hey this is a top dog
you dont stick a top dog in some lame ass case aynways
if you do lol maybe you need to reavaluate your case investment or what he hell just chuck it out dont use a case heheheheh

RPGWiZaRD

12-16-2009, 05:47 AM

I'd really want this card IF only AMD would fix the issues with 120Hz LCDs. So I'm nvidia limited for now. :(

Musho

12-16-2009, 06:41 AM

Looks sexy :D Not going to buy it, though. Already running a reference 5870. A 5890 in the future might be a nice upgrade. I need a 2gb card with these huge eyefinity resolutions :ROTF:

Winchip

12-16-2009, 06:56 AM

Pasted from source in better def.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4189465406_b63455c7cd_o.jpg

skycrane

12-16-2009, 07:13 AM

true and thats what theyve told me but hey this is a top dog
you dont stick a top dog in some lame ass case aynways
if you do lol maybe you need to reavaluate your case investment or what he hell just chuck it out dont use a case heheheheh

that would only make the card 4 inches deep inside the case, im not sure about anyone else, buy my dvd burner is like 6 inches wide. than another 2 inches for the width of the case so that means in a normal case you should have atleast 2 inches if not more to make the card deeper instead of how the idiots do it now and make them longer than my mobo :(

so instead of having a card 4x10= 40^2 in, you could make it 5x8=40^2 in. and still have the same amount of pcb area.... welcome to 2010 ppl. jeesh

Manicdan

12-16-2009, 07:13 AM

anyone else find it odd that not only is it taller, but they have the wires coming out of the top too. im wondering if most midtower cases will have trouble fitting this, or if they will come with special power plugs which are rotated.

B-Shot

12-16-2009, 07:26 AM

A man sized card for a man sized case

pissdrunx1987

12-16-2009, 07:30 AM

i guess we will see it in 2010 ces in january

cant wait to see the heatsink and some more info on clocks :yepp:

Manicdan

12-16-2009, 07:34 AM

it better have a huge fan that is dead silent

RPGWiZaRD

12-16-2009, 07:34 AM

i guess we will see it in 2010 ces in january

cant wait to see the heatsink and some more info on clocks :yepp:

Most likely yea, I really look forward to CES 2010, so many stuff I'm looking forward to hear more about. Especially I'm interested in Panasonic's 2010 Plasma TV lineup after having acquired Pioneer Kuro's patent rights in May this year, I have a feeling we might see a new TV to dominate the market, seeing how good their 2009 versions are already.

I wonder what nvidia plans showing off at CES, hopefully we won't see only a Fermi in the Shell. :rofl:

Nedjo

12-16-2009, 07:41 AM

I'm curious how much did they go beyond default 850MHz?

LordEC911

12-16-2009, 08:54 AM

that would only make the card 4 inches deep inside the case, im not sure about anyone else, buy my dvd burner is like 6 inches wide. than another 2 inches for the width of the case so that means in a normal case you should have atleast 2 inches if not more to make the card deeper instead of how the idiots do it now and make them longer than my mobo :(

so instead of having a card 4x10= 40^2 in, you could make it 5x8=40^2 in. and still have the same amount of pcb area.... welcome to 2010 ppl. jeesh
They have to follow spec... not sure which spec it is, thought it was ATX but cannot find any public info on it.

Also what about people water cooling or have other stuff in their case?

anyone else find it odd that not only is it taller, but they have the wires coming out of the top too. im wondering if most midtower cases will have trouble fitting this, or if they will come with special power plugs which are rotated.
PCI-e connectors will be connecting from the side, they will be looking right at you if you have the side panel off, just like the 5870.

Manicdan

12-16-2009, 08:56 AM

PCI-e connectors will be connecting from the side, they will be looking right at you if you have the side panel off, just like the 5870.

side, top, same thing, its not the back. im worried some cases will not be wide enough to fit them.and when they make such a short card, why not have them come out where the HDDs and optical drives are

ChinStrap

12-16-2009, 12:51 PM

sign me up :)

Sadasius

12-16-2009, 01:08 PM

Yahoo, bout friggin time! Usually much more space width wise then length wise. I will get two of these instead if and when they come out.

Nautilius

12-16-2009, 01:12 PM

Me wantz.. 2.. :slobber:

Solus Corvus

12-16-2009, 01:24 PM

They should do a 5970 version.

dinos22

12-16-2009, 01:27 PM

i guess we will see it in 2010 ces in january

cant wait to see the heatsink and some more info on clocks :yepp:

i dont think you'll see it earlier than late Jan unless they send some non functional parts donno

PrometheusCon

12-16-2009, 01:36 PM

Nice looking card for sure. I'm glad non-reference stuff is starting come about. Just out of curiosity, were the other Lightning cards that MSI did good? I never really followed the line, but know they did a 275 version.

N19h7m4r3

12-16-2009, 02:13 PM

I wish more cards were made shorter but higher.

That way it would be possible to maybe get some decent mini-ITX gaming systems, and reduce the need for towers.

Jimmer411

12-16-2009, 02:32 PM

I'd really want this card IF only AMD would fix the issues with 120Hz LCDs. So I'm nvidia limited for now. :(

What issue is there with 120hz LCDs? Im asking because I own one and use ATI video cards and I haven't hooked my computer up to it yet.

RPGWiZaRD

12-16-2009, 03:05 PM

What issue is there with 120hz LCDs? Im asking because I own one and use ATI video cards and I haven't hooked my computer up to it yet.

Well the problems varies in size but usually at least flickering is a prob. http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=260&threadid=119598 or here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwDTqNlSw9U that's the most common issue. They are working on fixing this issue in a driver update, but how long that'll take I have no idea about ofc, prolly long enough...

60Hz works fine tho.

NapalmV5

12-17-2009, 02:47 PM

seksy!! and its not volterra pwm :YIPPIE:

has to be up6208

http://www.upi-semi.com/ProductFiles/uP6208_Datasheet.pdf

i dont think you'll see it earlier than late Jan unless they send some non functional parts donno

5890 ? :D

Solus Corvus

12-17-2009, 02:55 PM

Does up6208 support software voltage adjustment? If not I'll pass.

NapalmV5

12-17-2009, 03:18 PM

:up: yeh its got i2c interface.. same pwm asus matrix gtx285 uses

Solus Corvus

12-17-2009, 03:21 PM

Good. Sounds like a nice board.

Jaivan

12-17-2009, 03:26 PM

Nice all they need is a waterblock for this and I'm sold!

Sadasius

12-17-2009, 03:32 PM

Nice all they need is a waterblock for this and I'm sold!

Same here! I am pretty sure we can convince Eddy of EK to make one though if enough people ask for it.

Jaivan

12-17-2009, 03:34 PM

Same here! I am pretty sure we can convince Eddy of EK to make one though if enough people ask for it.

Hahaha lets start spamming his inbox now so he has them ready by the time they are released.

Manicdan

12-17-2009, 03:37 PM

how will a waterblock help this one more than other 5870s?

Sadasius

12-17-2009, 03:39 PM

how will a waterblock help this one more than other 5870s?

Nobody said it would help this one more then the other model. Some of us prefer to have our cards under water. That is all! :yepp:

Jaivan

12-17-2009, 03:52 PM

Nobody said it would help this one more then the other model. Some of us prefer to have our cards under water. That is all! :yepp:

+1 :up:
Especially since I plan on using them for crunching...

Levish

12-18-2009, 05:39 AM

4x8 pci-e, analog voltage, taller pcb reminding me of the ic-7 max3 at least on paper :p
hopefully its the home run it seems to be

TiN_

12-18-2009, 06:03 AM

Rather dumb design. Targeted to brainwashed people who think more phase = more power. With 6-channel PWM control, lol.
Will see finished product, I wish I could be wrong here.

[XC] gomeler

12-18-2009, 06:17 AM

Rather dumb design. Targeted to brainwashed people who think more phase = more power. With 6-channel PWM control, lol.
Will see finished product, I wish I could be wrong here.

While I agree that doubling up the number of fets/chokes per phase on the controller is more marketing than sound engineering, this card is still going to be obscenely powerful. If MSI can simply apply whatever they did to the GTX275 Lightning and successfully implement it on this card it'll be awesome and then some :cool:

[XC] Oj101

12-20-2009, 12:00 AM

I think I may just buy another ATI card if it has a decent QUIET cooler :up:

trinibwoy

12-20-2009, 05:16 AM

I thought Sapphire's Vapor-X line was pretty quiet?

iboomalot

12-20-2009, 07:55 AM

will there be water blocks for this type card???

Levish

12-20-2009, 04:32 PM

will there be water blocks for this type card???

usually its reference only, unless its some particularly popular product if you mean full cover

gpu only they'll probably fit I believe

zalbard

12-20-2009, 06:54 PM

Wonder what kind of stock cooler it is going to have.

alpha0ne

12-20-2009, 07:50 PM

I'm surprised its taken this long to do what should have been done in the first place

Is it less costly making them long as opposed to wide ??? :shrug:

Wiggy McShades

12-20-2009, 08:32 PM

I'm surprised its taken this long to do what should have been done in the first place

Is it less costly making them long as opposed to wide ??? :shrug:

no but ati has to design their cards with the fact in mind that they have to try sell the cards to oem's and id venture a guess that oem's don't like non standard parts.

Serpentarius

12-20-2009, 08:43 PM

i wonder how the waterblocks will be ... especially the full blocks ... the in/outlet is gonna be relocated by extra >1cm ... lol

ajaidev

12-21-2009, 12:13 AM

no but ati has to design their cards with the fact in mind that they have to try sell the cards to oem's and id venture a guess that oem's don't like non standard parts.

5870 is a huge huge card i think its safe to say its non standard as compared to older gen. :D

annihilat0r

12-21-2009, 07:24 AM

http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_36548426/tm.htm

has this been given? Overclocker Massman overclocked this card to 1375mhz, got a Vantage score of 20000

jmke

12-21-2009, 07:30 AM

full article: http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=977
card even did 1400Mhz :D

Levish

12-21-2009, 07:39 AM

http://forum.donanimhaber.com/m_36548426/tm.htm

has this been given? Overclocker Massman overclocked this card to 1375mhz, got a Vantage score of 20000

link leads to a GTX275 product unless there's something further on?

jmke

12-21-2009, 07:40 AM

don't bother with that link, it's a cheap watered-down version of the real deal (http://www.madshrimps.be/gotoartik.php?articID=977);)

nullface

12-21-2009, 07:54 AM

Jeje its a Lightning, but not the 5870 so why post it here?

Manicdan

12-21-2009, 08:06 AM

i couldnt read that language, how did he get 1375 on the core? LN2?
edit, nm, i see another thread dedicated to that OC. no point talking about it in here

annihilat0r

12-21-2009, 08:46 AM

Oops sorry, I was about to open a new thread but first checked on the existing threads for "lightning" and confused the 5870 with the GTX 275 :D

Heinz68

12-21-2009, 11:12 AM

I'm surprised its taken this long to do what should have been done in the first place

Is it less costly making them long as opposed to wide ??? :shrug:
Higher Graphic Cards might not fit in some PC cases with large side fan like Cosmos S.
Even some CPU heat-sinks, for example Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme is to high, on the other hand I had no problem to fit there the 12.1 inch long HD 5970, with about 4 inches to spare.

Manicdan

12-21-2009, 12:05 PM

Higher Graphic Cards might not fit in some PC cases with large side fan like Cosmos S.
Even some CPU heat-sinks, for example Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme is to high, on the other hand I had no problem to fit there the 12.1 inch long HD 5970, with about 4 inches to spare.

yup, its an interesting issue. chances are im expecting most mid towers which cannot fit a card thats longer than the mobo, to be wide enough to fit this card + the room to fit the power connectors.

thats why im thinking we need to see 2x cards use up 3 PCI slots. and i also think adding 1" to the height should be added to the next atx standards, cause it would allow for some much larger fans that would be much quieter. (and while there at it, up PCIe to something more than 300W, like 2x 8pin plus the 75W from mobo)

TheGoat Eater

12-21-2009, 02:48 PM

I will have pics of the card on my site and probably some good info on it in < 3 weeks ;)

onethreehill

01-06-2010, 11:27 PM

http://news.ati-forum.de/images/stories/Szymanski/News/2010/msi_5870_lightning.jpg
http://news.ati-forum.de/index.php/news/34-amdati-grafikkarten/950-exklusiv-msi-r5870-lightning-abgelichtet

jellyrole

01-06-2010, 11:37 PM

Badass! Can't wait to see how well it performs against the other 5870's!

Trouffman

01-06-2010, 11:58 PM

we'll see that really soon (a) !

zalbard

01-07-2010, 03:56 AM

Looks good, they just have to use a heatsink of a different colour! :up:

MaadDaawg

01-11-2010, 04:57 PM

Yeah, even if I've gotta paint it myself, the colors gotta go :p: Wonder when they'll show up on the egg.. I've sent back 6 5870's so far, #7 has to be the lucky one :clap:

onethreehill

01-11-2010, 05:08 PM

http://www.tcmagazine.com/images/news/Hardware/MSI/MSI_R5870_Lightning_01.jpg
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=31965&catid=2

jaredpace

01-13-2010, 02:57 AM

Anyone got any overclocking pics yet?

skycrane

01-13-2010, 04:38 AM

damn, thats one sweet looking card. cant wait to get one :)

Particle

01-13-2010, 06:47 AM

Yeah, even if I've gotta paint it myself, the colors gotta go :p: Wonder when they'll show up on the egg.. I've sent back 6 5870's so far, #7 has to be the lucky one :clap:

Wait, what? Did you have six faulty ones in a row, or are you sending back ones that won't OC to your satisfaction?

Newblar

01-13-2010, 10:07 AM

is it even possible to wc the 5870 lightning?
looks like it would have a huge problem touching the side panel with any conventional full covern block.. maybe a mcw60 would work but mosfets...

ColonelCain

01-13-2010, 11:05 AM

What I want to know is a) How much it will cost, b) When is it coming out.

ajaidev

01-13-2010, 11:16 AM

I sat through the latest nvidia webner and no new info was outed :(....

hell what does q2 mean anyways

Trouffman

01-13-2010, 07:38 PM

guys ;) there's actually no overclocking pics ... as all the pictures we've seen where from sample WITHOUT GPU NOR Memory :)

Working wmaple as not been displayed but the card is ready in HQ @ taipei wand will be tested soon !!!

KingOfsorroW

01-13-2010, 07:57 PM

Lookig forward to this card. I hope it will be in good supply, so you can actually buy it.

onethreehill

01-21-2010, 05:47 AM

MSI HD 5870 Lightning disassembled
http://www.techpowerup.com/113418/MSI_HD_5870_Lightning_disassembled.html

zalbard

01-21-2010, 05:54 AM

Damn, why do these 'anonymous sources in Taiwan' never send overclocking info and benchmark results? :D

ajaidev

01-21-2010, 06:24 AM

Why the hell are there 12 LED's ???

Where is the dam gigabyte card am so interested in these :) specially since gf100 is coming after 2 months...

W1zzard

01-21-2010, 06:38 AM

Damn, why do these 'anonymous sources in Taiwan' never send overclocking info and benchmark results? :D

http://img.techpowerup.org/100121/Capture412.jpg
ask him/her

Razrback16

01-22-2010, 09:33 AM

This is a card I'd be interested in if two conditions are met: voltage control, and a full coverage waterblock is available. :D

Razrback16

01-22-2010, 09:53 AM

Also a quick question -- I've always had reference model cards -- with cards like the Lightning will ATI drivers work with it or do you have to download the manufacturer's driver (in this case, MSI)? My concern with these types of cards is that if you have to download MSI's drivers, they may start to get lax on driver updates when the product ages, you know what I mean?

zalbard

01-22-2010, 09:55 AM