Sapphire HD 5870 Vapor X up

[Baulten]

At Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102861

Went to grab it and it was out of stock, but I thought I'd post that it is now retailing. Only $10 more than the regular edition, not bad.

[SonDa5]

I posted about another vendor that has it in stock in the sales section of the forums:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=237962

[Machinus]

why can't they just make normal heatsinks

[Mungri]

why can't they just make normal heatsinks

This is a normal heatsink. ATI reference coolers are not normal heatsinks, but rather are combined hairdryers and radiators for your bedroom in winter.

[twwen2]

This is a normal heatsink. ATI reference coolers are not normal heatsinks, but rather are combined hairdryers and radiators for your bedroom in winter.

Amen to that. I still reckon the 7900GTX had the best looking stock cooler ever!

[fvbounty]

Ordered one last night from Newegg, there wasn't many of them, after I ordered it was out of stock in 5 minutes!

[Baulten]

Damn... makes me mad I was so slow... blah.. oh well... Regular is supposed to be in stock today...

[Fafeifa]

No backplate?

[Machinus]

This is a normal heatsink. ATI reference coolers are not normal heatsinks, but rather are combined hairdryers and radiators for your bedroom in winter.

No, they pump hot air into the case. = they are awful

[Funky]

Well this looks like just fancy VaporX heatsink on reference PCB. The back of the board looks ditto same as reference model.

[Rukian]

I just ordered it. Hope it will perform as well as oringinal one.

[Baulten]

Well I woulda waited and ordered it... but I found a regular Sapphire for $370 (Used slightly, oh well!). Make sure to let us know how it performs!

[Mungri]

No, they pump hot air into the case. = they are awful

Im not sure about you, but my case has air flow and two exhaust fans that remove that hot air.

The 5770s are my first pair of PC hairdryers, but my case is fine without them. I really suppose I should have waited for non reference, but I need to get rid of my previous cards before they drop in price too much.

[Ender17]

No, they pump hot air into the case. = they are awfulthe reference coolers?

[Machinus]

They heat incoming cool air and them pump it out the back of the card right onto your ram and HDs. :/

[RejZoR]

This design is slightly failed. At point where there should be the most fins and heatpipes, they rely solely on heatpipes, and the rest is covered by fan itself.
I have such card (Sapphire HD4870 Silent Efficiency) and by default it's far from silent even though it should be. Maybe in some fully closed case, but i have a uATX case placed on desk and gfx card is turned right to my ear, so it's annoying. Waiting for passive cooled HD5750 or something that's really silent...

[Ender17]

They heat incoming cool air and them pump it out the back of the card right onto your ram and HDs. :/you think the Vapor X is better?

[Rukian]

I found a review on hardwarecanucks. From what they say this card is good just lacking of overlock ability. http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/25111-sapphire-radeon-hd-5870-vapor-x-1gb-review.html

[fvbounty]

Here's a few more reviews....

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1120/1/

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd5870_5750_vaporx/

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=395&Itemid=72

[pezcore]

Where did I read that someone was selling the 5870 Vapor-X they just bought?

[emertX]

Are there any pricewatch sites in America where it is listed?

[Rukian]

Only 2 place have it on list now but out of stock another one is in pre order mode. www.newegg.com and ww.xpcgear.coom

[Blackbird_CaD_]

The Vapor-X cooler seems to be absolutely rubbish in a crossfire configuration: http://www.rage3d.com/reviews/video/sapphire_hd5870_vaporx/index.php?p=3

"Adding in a second card beneath it immediately increased the Vapor-X idle temps by 10C. Load temperatures matched that of the second, airflow unrestricted card as both soared into the 90C range"

You should not run these Vapor-X cards in a crossfire configuration.

[emertX]

Who, without benchers...need CF with these cards?
I have one XFX 5870 and it's so fast...

[Blackbird_CaD_]

Who, without benchers...need CF with these cards?
I have one XFX 5870 and it's so fast...

Well there is some games where you go over the 60 fps barrier with a 2nd 5870.
While you are under 60 fps with a single 5870.

and btw, imo you don't even need better cooling if you only have 1 5870, you get pretty good temps when you have only 1 card.
It's just in crossfire when you get unacceptable temps with the reference 5870.

[Rukian]

It's not much affect anyway with a good air flow case you can solve this problem. I think I should try crossfire em if I had more money :D I think I will never touch crysis for my card good. And I heard the new driver will max out the power of these cards,

[Machinus]

Good air flow doesn't "solve" the problem of having cards that pump air the wrong way. No amount of "good air flow" pumping cool air into your case is going to remove the hot air that is also being pumped into the case. Every other normal card design pumps the air one way, from the inside to the outside. These heatsinks make no sense.

Call me when they release the atomic.

[fvbounty]

Good air flow doesn't "solve" the problem of having cards that pump air the wrong way. No amount of "good air flow" pumping cool air into your case is going to remove the hot air that is also being pumped into the case. Every other normal card design pumps the air one way, from the inside to the outside. These heatsinks make no sense.

Call me when they release the atomic.

Doesn't hot air raise and if you have two exhaust fans (120mm) in the top of your case getting rid of the hot air, wouldn't that do the trick?

[Rukian]

How about if we put a fan stand between two card and makeit pulling hot air between two cards out? In the past, there was no such thing as backplate and ppl still sli or crossfire it man.

[pezcore]

Where did I read that someone was selling the 5870 Vapor-X they just bought?

:bounces:

[Blkout]

Who, without benchers...need CF with these cards?
I have one XFX 5870 and it's so fast...

I like to be able to play any game I want with maximum resolution and maximum antialising without any noticeable framerate drops. That's why I bought two 5850's. I get over the double the performance of my previous overclocked GTX 285 and I never have to worry about reducing in game detail at all, not to mention I'm all set for the next two years or so with this setup.

[emertX]

YEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
I got one @ neweeg!

:):D

[pr@$r1g]

I like to be able to play any game I want with maximum resolution and maximum antialising without any noticeable framerate drops. That's why I bought two 5850's. I over the double the performance of my previous overclocked GTX 285 and I never have to worry about reducing in game detail at all, not to mention I'm all set for the next two years or so with this setup.

Are u serious :D .Nvidia is still not out with there cards & may be any time soon u will see one.By next year june or july ati will again come with there card on a 32nm or 28nm,then u have again change for more performane ..................

Dont really know its true or false read it some were. :)

[Splave]

I got my 2 in yesterday, and all you guy saying the cooler sucks have no idea.
With both in crossfire the giant fan isnt loud even at 100%
With an ambient of 68F they dont break 45c in vantage 960/1300 ;)

[emertX]

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I should have ordered two of them!
But I'm from Germany...you know?! So it's hard to get them as fast as you do!

[emertX]

Could you give us some photos?

[MadMan007]

I like to be able to play any game I want with maximum resolution and maximum antialising without any noticeable framerate drops. That's why I bought two 5850's. I over the double the performance of my previous overclocked GTX 285 and I never have to worry about reducing in game detail at all, not to mention I'm all set for the next two years or so with this setup.

Chances of keeping that setup for 2 years: zero.

[Blkout]

Are u serious :D .Nvidia is still not out with there cards & may be any time soon u will see one.By next year june or july ati will again come with there card on a 32nm or 28nm,then u have again change for more performane ..................

Dont really know its true or false read it some were. :)

I will have no need to upgrade in the next year or two. These cards are giving framerates from 80-300 depending on the game. Even Crysis runs at 1920x1200 with 4xAA at 60-80fps on enthusiast settings. Why would I need more performance than that? Just because something is newer and faster doesn't mean you absolutely have to buy it. That's quite foolish.

[Blkout]

Chances of keeping that setup for 2 years: zero.

Who are you to tell me what I'll buy or won't buy? :shrug:

Chances of you spending my money: zero.

[Splave]

Could you give us some photos?

for sure! give me an hour and I'll post em up :up:

[pr@$r1g]

I will have no need to upgrade in the next year or two. These cards are giving framerates from 80-300 depending on the game. Even Crysis runs at 1920x1200 with 4xAA at 60-80fps on enthusiast settings. Why would I need more performance than that? Just because something is newer and faster doesn't mean you absolutely have to buy it. That's quite foolish.

if a single card of nvidia can provide that fps ,then ?

[Splave]

http://i47.tinypic.com/33b0lu1.jpg
you can kinda see the inside a bit here, sorry my cam sucks

[eva2000]

Nice Bobbylite... I'll race you http://i4memory.com/f18/hd5850-hd5870-hd5970-owners-club-21041/ :D

[ReverendMaynard]

all due respect eva...I'll put my $$ on Bobby lol :)

[Splave]

Nice Bobbylite... I'll race you http://i4memory.com/f18/hd5850-hd5870-hd5970-owners-club-21041/ :D

responded :) :up: when you running the 3rd?

[Blkout]

if a single card of nvidia can provide that fps ,then ?

The only single "card" of Nvidia that can come close to that performance in Crysis is a $500 GTX 295 and that's a dual GPU solution, so I don't see how that's much different than dual $260 5850's other than Crysis has always performed better on Nvidia hardware. That being said, you argument fails because you can only mention ONE game. In all other games, dual 5850's or a 5970 would crush a GTX 295 for only slightly more money along with reduced power usage per performance and DX11 support.

[emertX]

responded :) :up: when you running the 3rd?

Thanks dude...
Maybe installed would also be nice!

[Rukian]

I got mine phew days ago and man it's very fast. Overclocked mine and it never get pass 45 Celsius after hours of gaming. I will save money for one more and Xfire it. http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/426/gpu.gif

[emertX]

Great!
Could you do more?

[Rukian]

It's seem that I cannot push more whenever I pass 900/1300 it jumps back to default.

[Splave]

enable unofficial overclocking in the afterburner cfg by changing the 0 to a 1
And yes, the cooler is amazing on these things! I havent seen over 45c

PS you shouldnt need that much voltage either :) 1.187 gets me 1000/1300 every bench stable in crossfire.

http://i46.tinypic.com/244xq4o.jpg

[emertX]

It's the BIOS!
There's a trick to raise the clocks...I'll search for it.

[jaredpace]

OMG great avatar, bobbylite!!!!


Nice vga's too :)

[pr@$r1g]

:up: ..............

[Blkout]

enable unofficial overclocking in the afterburner cfg by changing the 0 to a 1
And yes, the cooler is amazing on these things! I havent seen over 45c

PS you shouldnt need that much voltage either :) 1.187 gets me 1000/1300 every bench stable in crossfire.

http://i46.tinypic.com/244xq4o.jpg

I'm sure your temps are very nice when you're running that setup outside of a case. That helps considerably.

[emertX]

Hey Bobbylite!
That looks great man!
The same config as I wanna have though!
First I'll get just one of them...the second has to wait a little bit...
Which clocks are you able to run?

[jcool]

Can anybody confirm these are indeed reference design cards with a different cooler? And not a proprietary design?

[emertX]

Hi jcool!

Like some review sites said, it is the reference-Design! So pick up one card and put a wc on it. Then you can sell the cooler ;)

[Rukian]

You don need to put this card outside the case to get nice temp. With a decent air flow case this card never pass 45 Celsius after hours of Gta4. Mine is idle at 27 Celsius with load it become somewhere near 45 Celsius.

[Blkout]

You don need to put this card outside the case to get nice temp. With a decent air flow case this card never pass 45 Celsius after hours of Gta4. Mine is idle at 27 Celsius with load it become somewhere near 45 Celsius.

So, you're saying that your card runs just as cool in a case as outside a case? That defies the laws of physics.

[emertX]

Sounds all great!
I can't await the card...but it takes so much time for being here in Germany from Newegg...

[Rukian]

So, you're saying that your card runs just as cool in a case as outside a case? That defies the laws of physics.

I said you don't need to put your cards outside the case. You still get good temps inside a nice cable management and air flow case... :yepp: Like right now the room temp is around 43 F my card idle at 28 Cels and gaming at 40 Cels.

[Splave]

OMG great avatar, bobbylite!!!!


Nice vga's too :)

thanks bro :)

[emertX]

Got mine!!!
Damn, what a nice card!
Had a XFX before...it was good, but not comparable to this one! 1375 for the mem without any problems! 1400 also but less points in vantage!
The core is the same like many others...1030 is no problem with 1,225V but from 1050 on it needs some juice!

I love the card! Very cool, very quiet!

[Blackbird_CaD_]

Damn Bobbylite.. if you had reported about your 2 5870 Vapor-X cards a bit earlier i maybe would had bought 2 5870 Vapor-X cards ^^
On the other hand vapor-x costs a bit more than the other cards and the availability might be even worse than with other 5870 cards..

Hm would have been interesting to see temps with those cards inside a case, also 2 cards dumping hot air inside a case can't be that good for other temps like CPU temp etc..

[R_1]

Hm would have been interesting to see temps with those cards inside a case, also 2 cards dumping hot air inside a case can't be that good for other temps like CPU temp etc..
500Watt heat trapped in PC case is not a problem, can lead to 1-2 degrees increasing in CPU/MB temps at most in my industrial Wind Tunnel Propeller case. :rofl: :ROTF:

[Bloodangel27]

Hey ok guys...so at the moment my 8800gt has pretty much died on my old comp and my new comp has 2 HD 4850's in xfire, I used 2 play wow >_< over that now thank god im now playing aion witch happens 2 b putting quite a bit of strain on my cards(uses cryengine), i had overheating issues till i manually turned the fanspeed up on my 4850's, but now its summer is AUS, it crashes in about 3 hours solid play(1st card is 100% fan speed), but its only my 1st card in the config which is conneted 2 my screen so i was wondering at buying this 5870 vapor and keeping my bottom card in xfire with the new 5870 and chuking my over heating card in my old comp, becuase im pretty sure its only over hearting cuz it so close 2 my ram and my second card, would this config work well or would me xfiring the 5870 with my 4850 slow it down???

[H2O]

Honestly, you would probably be better off using the money to setup a watercooling loop for the two 4850s.

[~CS~]

Hey ok guys...so at the moment my 8800gt has pretty much died on my old comp and my new comp has 2 HD 4850's in xfire, I used 2 play wow >_< over that now thank god im now playing aion witch happens 2 b putting quite a bit of strain on my cards(uses cryengine), i had overheating issues till i manually turned the fanspeed up on my 4850's, but now its summer is AUS, it crashes in about 3 hours solid play(1st card is 100% fan speed), but its only my 1st card in the config which is conneted 2 my screen so i was wondering at buying this 5870 vapor and keeping my bottom card in xfire with the new 5870 and chuking my over heating card in my old comp, becuase im pretty sure its only over hearting cuz it so close 2 my ram and my second card, would this config work well or would me xfiring the 5870 with my 4850 slow it down???

You cannot crossfire a 48xx series card with a 58xx one .If performance of the cards is satisfactory other then heat issues , aftermarket cooler would be a best idea , also removing plastic shrouds from the coolers while adding a fan blowing from the side would decrease the temperatures greatly .Retiming the cards is another thing you can do before you spend any money .

If you want more performance ,then its 5870 all the way :)...then another.lol

[defy]

Running these in crossfire at stock clocks in my p193 (side-panel big boy fan disabled), they are the vapor-x rev 2's.

Idle Temp: 32c
Load Temp (30 minutes of 99+% load): 74-75c

Ambient temp in LA: ~17c/62f

I definitely noticed a boost in sound after throwing in the second one, but they are still pretty quiet. (coming from a 4870x2)

[Trembledust]

Well i got a rev 2and yup can't go over 900 core clock w/ her. AB wouldn't even allow me to oc pass 900 core clock. Tried the AB trick to change "Unofficial Overclock" under the cfg file from 1 to 0, and that allowed me to pass the 900 core limit but did a few vantage runs and caught display driver errors everytime. You can't change the voltage on the card either like someone else mentioned. I'm wondering if Sapphire lowered the stock voltage on the rev 2's.

The card does run very well with the 10.2 cat drivers. Temps are great. Haven't broken 65c under load. At 900 core and 1250 ram got a Vantage score of 19,950. Not bad at all, but I wouldn't recommend these cards if u trying to overclock the hell out of them. Least for now the oc potential is limited. Maybe they will come out with a version of AB that can unlock the volts. Wondering if its possible to flash the rev 1 bios to this card.

[kevikev]

Wondering if its possible to flash the rev 1 bios to this rev 2 card.
rev 2 has a different voltage regulator, apparently, so it wouldn't do any good unless you do a hard mod