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Ao1

10-26-2009, 04:34 AM

This has appeared on a French Intel site today.

http://www.intel.com/cd/corporate/pressroom/emea/fra/434654.htm

Key points include:

A new toolbox for management, information and diagnostics that will help keep the drives running at optimum performance.

X25-M 160 GB drives will see sequential write speed increase by 40 % compared to the current version of the firmware.

Earzz

10-26-2009, 04:51 AM

THX, will install as soon as im home..

XS_Rich

10-26-2009, 05:23 AM

Firmware links to old firmware and toolbox link is not a valid link any more.

:(

Ao1

10-26-2009, 06:32 AM

It looks like the french jumped the gun....but the links should be live soon. A revised spec sheet is now availble: http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/mainstream/322296.pdf

One_Hertz

10-26-2009, 06:35 AM

Didn't the 160GB drive already write at like 90MB/s. So 10MB/s more?

Ao1

10-26-2009, 06:42 AM

Didn't the 160GB drive already write at like 90MB/s. So 10MB/s more?

The previous specs were officially 70MB/s now its 100MB/s. Random 4 KB writes@ (upto) 8,600 IOPS remain the same. The increase in sequential writes is only for the 160GB versions. Sequential speeds for the 80GB remain the same.

One_Hertz

10-26-2009, 06:45 AM

The previous specs were officially 70MB/s now its 100MB/s. Random 4 KB writes@ (upto) 8,600 IOPS remain the same. The increase in sequential writes is only for the 160GB versions. Sequential speeds for the 80GB remain the same.

I know the specs were at 70, but it was underrated before.

ekerazha

10-26-2009, 07:08 AM

It's out: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=17485

felix_w

10-26-2009, 07:10 AM

Here is the correct link : http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&ProdId=3044&DwnldID=17485&lang=eng

Nah, nevermind, ekerazha was quicker... :)

Whoever tries this first please post differences in performance if you can...Thank you...

ekerazha

10-26-2009, 07:12 AM

Edit: synced

ekerazha

10-26-2009, 07:15 AM

It's a shame only the 160 GB version got the sequential write boost :(

Ao1

10-26-2009, 07:26 AM

Nice, it looks like TRIM will be both auto or user scheduled. This is translated from the french Intel web site:

It (the new toolbox) also provides a user-friendly GUI that helps the user schedule and launch the TRIM regardless of the operating system command. For optimal performance, Intel recommends installing firmware updated and the Toolbox as well as the daily running of the TRIM command.

Bill Dalton

10-26-2009, 07:27 AM

The links above takes me only to the 02G9 firmware to fix the BIOS password. The new update should be 02HA ... no?

Ao1

10-26-2009, 07:29 AM

The links above takes me only to the 02G9 firmware to fix the BIOS password. The new update should be 02HA ... no?

yes, try refreshing your browser cache

Ao1

10-26-2009, 07:45 AM

:)

http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/434471_intel_ssd_optimizer_white_paper.pdf

While users of Microsoft Windows* 7 will have native support built into the OS to take advantage of this new feature, Intel is also offering support for users of other Windows operating systems through the use of the Intel® SSD Toolbox

RAID support will come later...

SSD Toolbox is here: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/download.aspx?url=/18182/eng/Intel_SSD_Toolbox_1_1_0_000.msi&DwnldId=18182&lang=eng

SSD Toolbox user guide: http://download.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/sb/intel_ssd_toolbox_user_guide.pdf

Earzz

10-26-2009, 07:58 AM

Can somebody upload the ssdtoolbox?
I want it so bad :yepp:

lowfat

10-26-2009, 08:15 AM

Can somebody upload the ssdtoolbox?
I want it so bad :yepp:

what is wrong w/ the link above you?

AKM

10-26-2009, 08:21 AM

Pcper review is out Intel X25-M 'G2' TRIM Enabled Firmware and SSD Toolbox Review (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=805&type=expert&pid=11)

Earzz

10-26-2009, 08:23 AM

what is wrong w/ the link above you?

Oops sorry, im so blind :wasntme:

lowfat

10-26-2009, 08:25 AM

Oops sorry, im so blind :wasntme:

He actually edited it and posted the link after you created your post. I didn't realize it.

lowfat

10-26-2009, 08:28 AM

Pcper review is out Intel X25-M 'G2' TRIM Enabled Firmware and SSD Toolbox Review (http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=805&type=expert&pid=11)

Wow, the 160GB effing rocks now.

Earzz

10-26-2009, 08:31 AM

He actually edited it and posted the link after you created your post. I didn't realize it.

Lol neither did i.

Damn, raid is not supported by the SSD toolbox :shakes:

Ao1

10-26-2009, 08:39 AM

Lol neither did i.

Damn, raid is not supported by the SSD toolbox :shakes:

Not yet but it will come in an update to the toolbox. :cool:

Earzz

10-26-2009, 08:46 AM

Not yet but it will come in an update to the toolbox. :cool:

Nice, can i find that info in the PDF?

Ao1

10-26-2009, 08:58 AM

Nice, can i find that info in the PDF?

check out the link in post 4 ;)

EDIT: whoops sorry...look at the paper linked on post 15. Checkout the Q&A

Earzz

10-26-2009, 10:58 AM

Alright, thx man.

modboxx

10-26-2009, 10:58 AM

G3y that these have been out for so long and still nothing for raid.

Anemic

10-26-2009, 11:49 AM

Alright, gonna try it out tomorrow!
No one have had to reinstall cuz of the update?

SimpleTECH

10-26-2009, 12:05 PM

I know it doesn't support RAID setups but I figured I'd update since it'll probably "refresh" my drives. ;)

Before firmware

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7558/asssdbenchintelssdg2916.png

After firmware

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8909/asssdbenchintelssdg2102.png

Earzz

10-26-2009, 12:15 PM

Nice SimpleTECH, my scores went down after the FW upgrade.
Thinking to break my raid array and go single drives untill its fully supported.

Ao1

10-26-2009, 12:39 PM

I’ve just updated the f/w on a new install of 7/64 in ACHI mode with Windows ACHI drivers. No problem with the update, but despite fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify returning a 0 defrag etc have not been disabled by default. (??)

I copied a 47.5GB folder full of mp3’s and a few avi movies from a G2 80GB drive to a G2 160GB drive (OS) and the transfer speed stuck all the way between 103MB/s & 106MB/s.

A manual TRIM takes seconds.

AS Benchmarks before and after: (160GB G2 with OS - No surprises really... )

Old FW, fresh drive.
AS SSD Benchmark 1.2.3577.40358
------------------------------
Name: INTEL SSDSA2M160G2GC ATA Device
Firmware: 2CV102G9
Interface: IDE
Size: 149.05 GB
Date: 26/10/2009 18:36:14
------------------------------
Sequential:
------------------------------
Read: 255.38 MB/s
Write: 83.64 MB/s
------------------------------
4K:
------------------------------
Read: 23.13 MB/s
Write: 45.95 MB/s
------------------------------
4K-64Threads:
------------------------------
Read: 154.58 MB/s
Write: 57.60 MB/s
------------------------------
Access Times:
------------------------------
Read: 0.077 ms
Write: 0.091 ms
------------------------------
Score:
------------------------------
Read: 203
Write: 112
Total: 420
------------------------------

New FW, fresh drive
AS SSD Benchmark 1.2.3577.40358
------------------------------
Name: INTEL SSDSA2M160G2GC ATA Device
Firmware: 2CV102HA
Interface: IDE
Size: 149.05 GB
Date: 26/10/2009 20:00:15
------------------------------
Sequential:
------------------------------
Read: 254.24 MB/s
Write: 101.62 MB/s
------------------------------
4K:
------------------------------
Read: 21.94 MB/s
Write: 48.75 MB/s
------------------------------
4K-64Threads:
------------------------------
Read: 154.91 MB/s
Write: 66.38 MB/s
------------------------------
Access Times:
------------------------------
Read: 0.062 ms
Write: 0.089 ms
------------------------------
Score:
------------------------------
Read: 202
Write: 125
Total: 432
------------------------------

New FW, used drive, freshly TRIMed
AS SSD Benchmark 1.2.3577.40358
------------------------------
Name: INTEL SSDSA2M160G2GC ATA Device
Firmware: 2CV102HA
Interface: IDE
Size: 149.05 GB
Date: 26/10/2009 20:15:24
------------------------------
Sequential:
------------------------------
Read: 254.32 MB/s
Write: 100.53 MB/s
------------------------------
4K:
------------------------------
Read: 21.22 MB/s
Write: 49.28 MB/s
------------------------------
4K-64Threads:
------------------------------
Read: 156.76 MB/s
Write: 64.73 MB/s
------------------------------
Access Times:
------------------------------
Read: 0.098 ms
Write: 0.089 ms
------------------------------
Score:
------------------------------
Read: 203
Write: 124
Total: 432
------------------------------

EDIT: Hey Ourasi.....Looks like I can claim the 2nd position in the hall of fame for your Single AS benchmark (http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1149834) :p:

tuanster1119

10-26-2009, 12:49 PM

From the Readme:

3. RAID Configurations
ISSUE: The SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool cannot execute a firmware
update when the SSDs are in a RAID configuration.
WORKAROUND:
Go into the BIOS and disable RAID mode, using "Legacy" or
"Compatibility" mode for the firmware update. If the system
is using IMSM, it is important that you do not disable RAID
within IMSM or other software configuraiton utility.
After configuring BIOS to "Legacy" or "Compatibility" mode,
reboot the system following the update instructions below.
Once all RAID drives have been updated and verified, enable
RAID in BIOS reboot to complete the process.

Has anybody tried this yet? This is my first run with Raid0 and I just want to make sure I won't run into any problems with this.

Ender17

10-26-2009, 02:18 PM

SSDSA2MH160G2
Storage setting is RAID (HDDs are in RAID array, SSD is not)

Before
http://i34.tinypic.com/2lmt3f9.png

After
http://i37.tinypic.com/flg9pc.png

Ao1

10-26-2009, 02:26 PM

^ does the trim tool work from the toolbox on a non raid member drive? I think I read in the anandtech review that TRIM would not work with that config (?)

Earzz

10-26-2009, 02:34 PM

Ourasi

10-26-2009, 02:48 PM

EDIT: Hey Ourasi.....Looks like I can claim the 2nd position in the hall of fame for your Single AS benchmark (http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1149834) :p:

Post it there, and I'll add you to the list.. Allthough, I'm in a bit of a bad mood today, since Intel didn't even bother to let the Gen. 1 owners be able to use even the TRIM Toolbox, friggen ass*****.. If there was any SSD out there in the same ballpark price performance wise, I'd recomend my readers to screw Intel out a lot of $.. But hey, what can one really expect from Intel, I should be used to it by now. :shrug:

The other so called trimmable drives out there seems to have failed to deliver the benefits of TRIM, and even here Intel does way better then the rest, so what choise do one have but to buy from the "devil" himself. :shocked:

Ender17

10-26-2009, 03:20 PM

^ does the trim tool work from the toolbox on a non raid member drive? I think I read in the anandtech review that TRIM would not work with that config (?)it works from the toolbox, not automatically

alfaunits

10-26-2009, 05:51 PM

Just an FYI, on Areca cards even when drives are as pass-through it detects them as RAID, so the Toolbox doesn't work.

Lu(ky

10-26-2009, 06:10 PM

SimpleTECH

10-26-2009, 09:07 PM

Guys I have a couple of questions on this new FW update with toolbox..

1. I am running one 80Gb G2 now on W7 Beta should I update FW then clean drive before I do a clean install of W7 Ultimate with a new 2 x 80Gb G2 raid -0- setup?

2. After doing the above do I reformat the ssd drive using W7 when reinstalling W7 in a raid -0- setup?

Thx...

1. Update the firmware first (on both drives) and then erase the drive that has Windows 7 beta. Use HDDErase 3.3 (http://www.iishacks.com/index.php/2009/06/30/how-to-secure-erase-reset-an-intel-solid-state-drive-ssd/).

2. Windows 7 will automatically setup your configuration for you. After you erased the SSD using HDDErase that I mentioned above, setup your RAID configuration and then proceed to install Windows.

Lu(ky

10-26-2009, 10:13 PM

1. Update the firmware first (on both drives) and then erase the drive that has Windows 7 beta. Use HDDErase 3.3 (http://www.iishacks.com/index.php/2009/06/30/how-to-secure-erase-reset-an-intel-solid-state-drive-ssd/).

2. Windows 7 will automatically setup your configuration for you. After you erased the SSD using HDDErase that I mentioned above, setup your RAID configuration and then proceed to install Windows.

So the one drive I have been using should not get a cleaning before I use HDDErase? I was thinking of updating FW on current installed drive then use the toolbox to clean. Then use HDDErase to clean the one drive I been using then do a clean W7 install?

Thank for your help SimpleTech

AuDioFreaK39

10-27-2009, 12:50 AM

Ao1

10-27-2009, 04:01 AM

Does anyone want to explain to me why the firmware 02HA update does not enable TRIM on the 80GB 34nm models?

I was really looking forward to a sequential write speed boost when I grab one of these next weekend.

The firmware update does enable TRIM on G2 80GB drives but it does not increase the sequential write speed specs over the pre-f/w update specs. (As it does for the 160GB drives).The 160Gb drives are also faster at 4K IOps but that was the case prior to the fw update. Bottom line is that the 160GB drive is faster than the 80GB version. It was faster before the fw update and it is even faster now. Logically the 320GB version will be even faster when it comes out.

v0dka

10-27-2009, 07:26 AM

So is the firmware destroying drives or not?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4082553&postcount=25

firestarter.pt

10-27-2009, 11:06 AM

There's many reports of dead X25-M 10 mins after the firmware update and it seems you can't download it from intel anymore so I'll hold back and wait before updating my drive...

Earzz

10-27-2009, 12:32 PM

There's many reports of dead X25-M 10 mins after the firmware update and it seems you can't download it from intel anymore so I'll hold back and wait before updating my drive...

Yeah i just saw it on hardforum, happy that i dont have any issues with the new FW.

Ao1

10-27-2009, 01:17 PM

Whoop..Intel have pulled the update whilst they investigate the reported problems. http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/intel-pulls-ssd-toolbox-for-killing-drives-under-windows-7/

EDIT: Where is Rhys when you need him :rofl: It seems that 7 tries to install a driver after the update. This prompts a reboot which then causes the drive to fail. :shakes: Mine are OK but if I see drivers being installed I will not be rebooting in a hurry.

SimpleTECH

10-27-2009, 05:06 PM

So the one drive I have been using should not get a cleaning before I use HDDErase? I was thinking of updating FW on current installed drive then use the toolbox to clean. Then use HDDErase to clean the one drive I been using then do a clean W7 install?

Yup that is correct. When you run HDDErase, it's erasing everything on the SSD including the blocks - basically resetting it back to 'peak' performance.

Though with TRIM, you shouldn't have to worry too much about that.

Lu(ky

10-28-2009, 01:38 AM

There is a new information on AnandTech site about the TRIM and RAIDS of these drives -----> H E R E (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667)

CrimInalA

10-28-2009, 03:13 AM

There is a new information on AnandTech site about the TRIM and RAIDS of these drives -----> H E R E (http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3667)

Thanks for the link but i couldn't find any RAID info in the article

Ao1

10-28-2009, 03:21 AM

Thanks for the link but i couldn't find any RAID info in the article

Read the thread. Check post 15. Download the white paper. Read the Q&A. Bingo. :p:

cx-ray

10-28-2009, 04:01 AM

I'm not sure what to make of that Intel Q&A:

Intel is looking at including support in future versions of the tool.

For all we know it could mean: Support will be included with our latest driver + ICH11R. In other words get a new mobo if you want RAID + TRIM :)

Lu(ky

10-28-2009, 04:08 AM

Thanks for the link but i couldn't find any RAID info in the article

PAGE 3 not allot but saying it will not support TRIM with a raid setup.. Allot of guys were asking about this question and it says a little work around on it below.

There’s a major problem with TRIM today. The only Windows storage drivers to support it are written by Microsoft. The Intel Matrix Storage Manager (IMSM) driver will not pass the TRIM instruction to your SSD. This means you can't use anything but the drivers that ship with Windows 7. To make matters worse, if you enable non-member RAID on an Intel motherboard the default Windows 7 driver is an older version of IMSM so TRIM won't work there either - even if you don't have a RAID array created. Your best bet is to install Windows 7 with your I/O controller in AHCI mode (for Intel chipsets) and don't install any storage drivers. Intel is working on an updated IMSM that will pass the TRIM instruction to SSDs but it won't be ready for at least a couple of months.

TRIM won't work on a RAID array.

If you want to use IMSM or if you're using Windows XP or Vista, both of which do not support TRIM, there's another option. Earlier this year Indilinx released its Wiper Tool that performs a manual TRIM on their SSDs. It works by asking the OS for a list of the free space addresses on the partition and then sending the list with instructions to TRIM down to the SSD.

bigjohns97

10-29-2009, 03:10 PM

Does anyone still have the iso that updates the drives?

I am currently running 2x x25-m 80 gig g2's as my raid-0 system partition for windows 7 and need the iso to boot to so i can update my drives and return them to raid config.

shabby

10-29-2009, 06:56 PM

Speederlander

10-30-2009, 03:39 PM

All the people that dropped huge coin to run multiple SSDs in RAID, I can't help but laugh a little at their predicament. Steadily decreasing performance on what for many is a $$$$+ invenstment must just be very annoying. Sometimes it's nice not being a paying beta tester for the cutting edge.

Ao1

10-31-2009, 01:45 AM

Agreed, it’s not as if the writing was not on the wall a long time ago regarding trim support for raid. A larger capacity disk is by far the best way to go. The specs are higher, they no longer degrade and they are more likely to have a higher free space ratio, which also improves performance. Add to that quicker boot times and less chance of failure and it’s a no brainer.

NoSoMo

10-31-2009, 03:11 AM

Here you go http://www.sendspace.com/file/s18k0z

You da man.....been looking for this, should have come to XS first!

vakuum

10-31-2009, 04:31 AM

Earzz

10-31-2009, 05:00 AM

Well i just ripped one of my G2's out my PC and im putting it up for sale later this weekend.
RAID is fun but (like already said) not really worth it, im gonna keep my other 80GB for a while and i will buy a 160GB later on when i need more space.

chuckbam

11-01-2009, 07:36 AM

v1.4 http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/ssd/100902HA88208850.ISO

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/ssd/README.TXT

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/ssd/sata_ssd_firmware_update_tool_guidelines

Lu(ky

11-01-2009, 08:52 AM

Speederlander

11-01-2009, 09:16 AM

They said on AnandTech site there will be future raid TRIM with later FW updates.

Problem is later updates could be many months or longer away, and given even single drives appear difficult and risky to get right consistently, I can only imagine that raid arrays with all their controller quirks and different combos involving parity and whatnot could put raid TRIM into gen 3 drives rather than the current crop. Keep in mind, that can't roll out RAID TRIM firmware updates or tools unless they are very confidant everything will work correctly. And given they can't even do that deadnuts on for drives running off their own chipsets and systems, imagine all the stuff they have to check with the various controllers, drivers, combinations, etc.

chuckbam

11-01-2009, 09:26 AM

v1.4 has TRIM w/ 34nm. Intel pulled all FW updates off the website and replaced it with the tool.

Earzz

11-01-2009, 10:20 AM

They said on AnandTech site there will be future raid TRIM with later FW updates.

Well i already sold one 80GB X25-M G2 and maybe tomorrow im gonna trade my other 80GB X25-M for a 160GB G2.
I really didnt want to wait for the support, im better of with a single drive tbh.

Speederlander

11-01-2009, 11:46 AM

Well i already sold one 80GB X25-M G2 and maybe tomorrow im gonna trade my other 80GB X25-M for a 160GB G2.
I really didnt want to wait for the support, im better of with a single drive tbh.

Yup, best approach is a single larger drive. People with SSD RAID arrays prior to TRIM getting fully sorted out are throwing their money away IMO.

chuckbam

11-01-2009, 02:26 PM

Yup, best approach is a single larger drive. People with SSD RAID arrays prior to TRIM getting fully sorted out are throwing their money away IMO.

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

Speederlander

11-01-2009, 02:37 PM

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

Yes, we know the TRIM FW was released. As of current toolset, there is no fix for degradation of performance while in RAID. If you claim that the new tool/FW actually addresses this issue for RAIDed drives, that makes you the first to have the scoop. I would ask for you to post your source. I would be happy to be wrong but I'm fairly certain I am not.

chuckbam

11-01-2009, 03:30 PM

Yes, we know the TRIM FW was released. As of current toolset, there is no fix for degradation of performance while in RAID. If you claim that the new tool/FW actually addresses this issue for RAIDed drives, that makes you the first to have the scoop. I would ask for you to post your source. I would be happy to be wrong but I'm fairly certain I am not.

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

chuckbam

11-01-2009, 03:47 PM

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

You don't need the tool if you have the FW update.

Speederlander

11-01-2009, 09:13 PM

I read it in the v1.4 FW release notes. Not knowing it would be pulled, I failed to save them.

What it said was, drives in RAID need to be updated one at a time

Yes, I am sure to update their firmware, which addressed more than just TRIM, they would need to be updated one at a time. But TRIM does not currently work in RAID. I'm sorry, it doesn't. :shrug:

Ao1

11-02-2009, 02:31 AM

With RAID you need to update each drive FW separate to have TRIM. Just the tool does not work in RAID.

Don't you guys know the TRIM FW was released?

The AnandTech artical is out dated.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=16638

Did you not read the subject line in this thread :p:

AFAIK the stand alone TRIM function in the tool box will only work on drives with updated f/w and it will not work on ssd's in a raid array.

It could well be that if you have raid 0 you would be better off not updating the f/w, which has been optimised taking into account its ability to TRIM. In fact I suspect you would be better off with a G1 drive rather than a G2 drive if you are using raid 0.

TRIM support will come for raid, but when is another issue. Intel recommend you TRIM once a day so even if you could work out a way of splitting the array, trimming it and then rebuilding the array it would be way too much agro.

Regardless with or without TRIM raid 0 is of no real benefit for most users.

Ced-G60

11-02-2009, 07:45 AM

Can I update the firmware of the G2 still ? Are those still bugged.

Should I just wait for a new release to use the TRIM feature ?

:)

Earzz

11-02-2009, 08:12 AM

Can I update the firmware of the G2 still ? Are those still bugged.

Should I just wait for a new release to use the TRIM feature ?

:)

Just wait to be safe.

Ced-G60

11-03-2009, 06:16 AM

Just wait to be safe.

Oki, thanks ;)

chuckbam

11-03-2009, 12:25 PM

Since they removed all versions of the FW, and replaced them with the Solid-State Drive Toolbox, you may have a very long wait:)

UObean

11-03-2009, 12:26 PM

Yup, best approach is a single larger drive. People with SSD RAID arrays prior to TRIM getting fully sorted out are throwing their money away IMO.

GC firmwares will keep your performance at 80-85% with raid. Since SSD drives have pretty much 100% scaling with raid (which is way better than regular hdd) I don't see how using raid is throwing your money away.

Earzz

11-03-2009, 01:13 PM

GC firmwares will keep your performance at 80-85% with raid. Since SSD drives have pretty much 100% scaling with raid (which is way better than regular hdd) I don't see how using raid is throwing your money away.

i dont agree, RAID doesnt scale almost 100% on a ICH*.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk227/slamRbamR/AfterhdderaseWrite-BackCacheEnabled.png

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk227/slamRbamR/SecondSingleRun.png

My drives did also degrade a lot more in raid then it is doing now

GC will not keep your Intel drives @ 85% (RAID), your write speeds will drop roughly 35 to 40% (random write even 50%).
For sure the GC is better right now on the Indilinx drives.

Single drive is the way to go, raid is just a wast of money.
Hopefully that will change quickly.

CrimInalA

11-04-2009, 12:22 AM

writespeed exactly doubled for me . cap was 80mbyte/s per drive . in raid 0 this became 160mb/s . That's 100% scaling .
This is on ICH10 and will be same on other controllers .

felix_w

11-04-2009, 03:21 AM

This is on ICH10 and will be same on other controllers .

Well, on Intel RAID or add-on controllers only i guess...:)

Speederlander

11-04-2009, 05:54 AM

writespeed exactly doubled for me . cap was 80mbyte/s per drive . in raid 0 this became 160mb/s . That's 100% scaling .
This is on ICH10 and will be same on other controllers .

Bigger issue being the significant degradation in performance that will occur over time.

chuckbam

11-06-2009, 03:43 PM

Now the Drive Toolbox is unavailable. Maybe they will have a new version soon.

Earzz

11-06-2009, 04:09 PM

Now the Drive Toolbox is unavailable. Maybe they will have a new version soon.

Maybe they found out it was a combination of the toolbox and new FW that was bricking the drives.
Im still running the 02HA FW without any problems but i will wait with using the toolbox anyways, im a bit scared tbh ;)

chuckbam

11-06-2009, 06:10 PM

Maybe they found out it was a combination of the toolbox and new FW that wasI have not had any problems though.the drives.
Im still running the 02HA FW without any problems but i will wait with using the toolbox anyways, im a bit scared tbh ;)

Ya, it does not look like Intel has it together yet. I have the new FW and the tool. I notice no performance gain with the tool in benchmarks.

I have not had any real problems though. If you have a RAID you can't use the tool.

I think the tool is for the original FW w/o TRIM.

After FW update (OS Drive)
http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/71X25-M.PNG

Before FW update (Not an OS drive)
http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/xmxCapture2PNG.PNG

FW updated (OS Drive)
http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/SA1Capture.PNG

chuckbam

11-11-2009, 06:33 PM

.

Intel SSD Toolbox Questions and Answers

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/SSDToolboxQA.pdf

.

Russ_64

11-13-2009, 04:55 AM

According to the Intel Support page:

The Intel® Solid-State Drive Toolbox is temporarily unavailable.

I have just purchased a G2 80Gb - should I go ahead and install Win 7 x64 or wait for this?

chuckbam

11-15-2009, 04:12 AM

Intel Solid-State Drive Toolbox v1.1

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/IntelSSDToolBoxv1.1.zip

.

Russ_64

11-16-2009, 05:06 AM

Thanks but I will wait for Intel to release an updated version. I installed Win 7 x64 and Apps on SSD and it is way faster then HDD, so no problem.

Russ_64

11-18-2009, 02:39 AM

Intel have updated the page:

Click on the url for the Toolbox update of Nov. 16, 2009.

However, there is still no download for Toolbox or Firmware Update, only page with details of a workaround for people with problems.

PS - Seems to be a mainly a problem with System Recovery (Restore Points) on Vista & Win7. I have already Disabled System Recovery as I have never used it .........

Ao1

11-18-2009, 03:44 AM

Correct. The Toolbox was pulled because when you ran the optimiser tool (manual trim) it wiped out system restore points on Vista and Win 7.
Allegedly a new firmware and a revised toolbox will be issued at the end of this month. So far the G2’s = epic failure.

Lu(ky

11-19-2009, 01:17 AM

Ao1

11-19-2009, 04:05 AM

^
First there is a problem with bios password f/w issue (non win 7 related). OK not a major issue, more of an embarrassment for Intel. Next there is a (still ongoing) problem with supply that results in significant price gouging, which completely obliviates the whole point of the G2 drives. Then the trim f/w arrives and gets pulled a day later after numerous problems with bricked drives (Vista & Win 7.) Then the Toolbox gets pulled days later because Win 7/ Vista restore points were getting deleted when a manual trim was implemented. Intel has supposedly worked with MS for over a year to get trim right. Clearly they failed. They don’t even have trim driver support for their own controllers yet.

That might be part of the course for some companies, but from Intel I think these events can be classified as an epic fail.

v0dka

11-19-2009, 04:50 AM

CrimInalA

11-25-2009, 07:28 AM

still no update to be found ?

Actually i was hopeing for a quick support of raid 0 on ich10 .
but seeing all those problems even with a single drive i'm afraid intel isn't ready for it .

v0dka

11-25-2009, 08:36 AM

Brama

12-01-2009, 08:40 AM

No they are still working on it with "high priority", at least that is what they say on the website.

I think that roughly translates into: "we dont have a clue what went wrong and don't know how to fix it".

You are right. :)

...and they promised the new tool for the end of November...anyone saw it? :mad:

Ao1

12-01-2009, 12:40 PM

new f/w is posted.

chuckbam

12-01-2009, 12:42 PM

new f/w is posted.

Where?

D749

12-01-2009, 12:56 PM

Where?

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18363

I'm hoping Intel supports passing Trim to AID arrays sometime soon. We'll see.

chuckbam

12-01-2009, 01:02 PM

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18363

I'm hoping Intel supports passing Trim to AID arrays sometime soon. We'll see.

Thank You!

D749

12-01-2009, 01:04 PM

Thank You!

No problem. Let us know how updating goes. ;) I should receive two new retail 80GB G2s tomorrow. I'm hoping that they're already updated.

chuckbam

12-01-2009, 01:07 PM

No problem. Let us know how updating goes. ;) I should receive two new retail 80GB G2s tomorrow. I'm hoping that they're already updated.

I done them before. You need to put the drive in IDE mode in the bios. I will update later tonight and post back.

Ao1

12-01-2009, 01:17 PM

I done them before. You need to put the drive in IDE mode in the bios. I will update later tonight and post back.

my drives just updated in ahci mode, but smart monitoring needs to be on within the bios to run it that way.

oc550be

12-01-2009, 01:49 PM

please compare
02HA vs 02HD (80GB)

SCREENSHOTS ! ! ! :D :D :D

fiskov

12-01-2009, 03:12 PM

Just updated; One of my 80gb g2's

CrystalDiskMark 2.2 100MB results:

Before update: 253.3MB / 79.1MB
After update: 259.9MB / 91.33MB

Not bad.

chuckbam

12-02-2009, 12:40 AM

Anyone able to read the Release Notes?

felix_w

12-02-2009, 02:24 AM

Just updated; One of my 80gb g2's

CrystalDiskMark 2.2 100MB results:

Before update: 253.3MB / 79.1MB
After update: 259.9MB / 91.33MB

Not bad.

Nice...

Can you post results at random R/W ?

dctokyo

12-02-2009, 03:09 AM

Updated with no problems.:up:

fiskov

12-02-2009, 05:10 AM

Can you post results at random R/W ?

Sure, i never run those ones though so i can't give you before update results..

Seq = 254.2MB / 91.31MB
512k = 161.9MB / 91.35MB
4K = 25.72MB / 75.46MB

It's made the write about 10MB faster compared to the shipping firmware,
but the read's more or less the same.

felix_w

12-02-2009, 05:38 AM

Sure, i never run those ones though so i can't give you before update results..

Seq = 254.2MB / 91.31MB
512k = 161.9MB / 91.35MB
4K = 25.72MB / 75.46MB

It's made the write about 10MB faster compared to the shipping firmware,
but the read's more or less the same.

Thanx, numbers are great...:up:

chinobino

12-02-2009, 05:53 AM

I've got 4 of these 80 GB drives in RAID0 currently with the shipped firmware 02G9.

I posted my current performance here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4118003&postcount=716).

Is there any real reason for me to flash the drives being that I can't use TRIM in RAID?

I can't see any benefits - just risk.

chuckbam

12-02-2009, 05:56 AM

dcl

12-02-2009, 05:57 AM

Updating now. I take it the SSD Toolbox is still not up?

chinobino

12-02-2009, 05:58 AM

?? can't read the Release Notes.

Sure did;

This firmware revision has several continuous improvement optimizations intended to provide the best possible user experience with the Intel SSD.

Nothing specific was stated for 80 GB drives, that's why I asked.

chuckbam

12-02-2009, 05:59 AM

Updating now. I take it the SSD Toolbox is still not up?

If the new bios has TRIM, why would you need it?

chuckbam

12-02-2009, 06:02 AM

Sure did;

Nothing specific was stated for 80 GB drives, that's why I asked.

You can read : Release Notes (docx)?

http://downloadmirror.intel.com/18363/eng/Release%20Notes%202.1.docx

dcl

12-02-2009, 06:15 AM

If the new bios has TRIM, why would you need it?Not sure. :shrug: I'm not hugely familiar with how the technology works. I would have assumed the TRIM command would be passed to all new HD activity and that existing data may need to be 'cleaned up' or 'optimized'. But as I said I'm not sure how it works. Also Win7 Detecting a 'new drive' and asked me to restart.

I have a 80gb X-25M G2. Not expecting any performance increase, but here is a benchmark run a few weeks ago on a fresh format, and the same benchmark performed just now after applying the new firmware.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4410/asssdbenchintelssdsa2m0.png

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8705/ssdpost.png

I guess any performance difference could come down to variance between runs.

dcl

12-02-2009, 06:19 AM

Also, I have the Intel Matrix Storage Manager installed. I remember reading earlier that TRIM would not work with this installed? Anyone got any more info on this?

Brama

12-02-2009, 08:30 AM

Actually automatic Trim works only in Windows 7 with native Microsoft drivers.

chuckbam

12-02-2009, 10:15 AM

Ao1

12-02-2009, 12:23 PM

I have the Matrix Storage Manager installed. But this is my MS driver on the drive. Do I have TRIM?

Go to the device manager. Select IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. If you see Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller then you are using the correct MS driver to enable auto TRIM.

If not you can uninstall the Intel controll drivers and when you reboot the standard MS drivers should install.

Lu(ky

12-02-2009, 03:03 PM

Actually automatic Trim works only in Windows 7 with native Microsoft drivers.

I have the Matrix Storage Manager installed. But this is my MS driver on the drive. Do I have TRIM?

http://chuckbam.com/Post2/ssdCapture.PNG

Go to the device manager. Select IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. If you see Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller then you are using the correct MS driver to enable auto TRIM.

If not you can uninstall the Intel controll drivers and when you reboot the standard MS drivers should install.

Yeah I am confused with this as well. I was using the Asus/Intel driver for the drive. Not sure if it is on auto/native TRIM? I put on the new driver and it seems to work better but I also installed the old ToolBox 1.1 and ran it. Number seem to be the same now when I first did a fresh W7 install 1 month ago now.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj252/russb3n/OC%20Benchmarks/SSDInfo.jpg

dcl

12-02-2009, 04:07 PM

Just changed the driver to the standard Microsoft one, seems to be working fine so far.

Except now Windows thinks my SSD and Storage drives are removable and pesters me with the icon in the systray.

firestarter.pt

12-03-2009, 02:55 AM

I have updated my Intel X25-M G2 (80 Gb) yesterday.

I was a little scared because the update application froze during the update and I had to reset the computer but in the end everything was ok and the drive was updated...

Here are some comparative benchs with ICH7R controller (a bit old, I know...), Microsoft drivers and a 3 months old installation of Windows 7 x64 with daily usage. The full system is described on my signature.

Before the firmware update:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8180/antes2.png http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/2921/antesp.png

After the firmware update and TRIM manually executed with the Toolbox (just in case):

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/16/depois2.png http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2789/depois.png

XS Janus

12-03-2009, 04:32 AM

A nice improvement! :)

v0dka

12-03-2009, 04:34 AM

If you installed Win7 in IDE mode, do you have to do a reinstall to get the AHCI drivers working?

I found some guide on how to get the AHCI drivers working after an install in IDE mode, but that was written for XP in 2007. Not to mention I get lots of BSOD's when switching to AHCI mode. http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=106575.0

Ao1

12-03-2009, 11:36 AM

If you installed Win7 in IDE mode, do you have to do a reinstall to get the AHCI drivers working?

No. You can modify the registry to enable ACHI mode. I've already posted how this can be done somewhere...just search the forum or google it

ghmz

12-03-2009, 01:00 PM

Received yesterday. Flashed the firmware, and installed Win7.

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr90/cipsaz/ssdbenchmark.png
http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr90/cipsaz/crystaldisk.png

chuckbam

12-03-2009, 01:06 PM

Go to the device manager. Select IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers. If you see Standard AHCI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller then you are using the correct MS driver to enable auto TRIM.

If not you can uninstall the Intel controll drivers and when you reboot the standard MS drivers should install.

With the x58/ i7 I don't have a ATA/ATAPI controller. So, I will be using the tool till Intel gets it together. I am using the Intel Rapid Storage Technology 9.5.0.1037. That is the Matrix Storage Manager with a new GUI.

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/xmxCapture2PNG.PNG

http://chuckbam.com/i7_P6T-D/Drives/SA1Capture.PNG

http://cid-e878665d2e592e77.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/vistaExtreem64/Intel%20Rapid%5E_9.5.0.1037.zip

dcl

12-03-2009, 08:48 PM

Since installing the MS AHCI driver, Windows doesn't think my DVDRW can burn DVD's anymore? It recognizes it as a DVD-RW but burning software will say its not compatible. Any ideas?

ghmz

12-03-2009, 10:08 PM

felix_w

12-04-2009, 12:43 AM

I thought I was running in AHCI mode, but I am not sure anymore..

I have "SATA AHCI Mode" Enabled, but "Onboard SATA/IDE Ctrl Mode "IDE". Am I running under IDE or AHCI? :confused:

http://i472.photobucket.com/albums/rr90/cipsaz/ahci.png

You probably have 2 SATA controllers, one from SB and one Secondary onboard. See your board's manual to find which setting reffers to each one.

SteveRo

12-04-2009, 04:51 AM

No problem using the new f/w update via bootable CD on x58.
Could NOT get the f/w app to find the x25-mg2 on evga 680i for some unknown reason.

cx-ray

12-04-2009, 06:17 AM

If you installed Win7 in IDE mode, do you have to do a reinstall to get the AHCI drivers working?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976

Stems

12-04-2009, 09:37 AM

No problem using the new f/w update via bootable CD on x58.
Could NOT get the f/w app to find the x25-mg2 on evga 680i for some unknown reason.

I just tried the 02HD firmware on my P5K Deluxe (P35) The CD booted without issue but then went on to say it could not detect my 160GB G2...:down:

chuckbam

12-04-2009, 09:41 AM

I just tried the 02HD firmware on my P5K Deluxe (P35) The CD booted without issue but then went on to say it could not detect my 160GB G2...:down:

Set the drive to IDE mode (for the flash only)

Stems

12-04-2009, 01:22 PM

Set the drive to IDE mode (for the flash only)

I'll give that a shot and report results! Thanks. :D

EDIT: Worked perfectly, thank you.

dcl

12-04-2009, 09:04 PM

I flashed mine in AHCI mode with no dramas. The Intel documentation makes no mention of using IDE mode?

chuckbam

12-05-2009, 02:53 AM

I flashed mine in AHCI mode with no dramas. The Intel documentation makes no mention of using IDE mode?

It is in the Readme.txt

************************************************** **********
*
*
* Intel(R) SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool Instructions
*
* This document makes references to products developed by
* Intel. There are some restrictions on how these products
* may be used, and what information may be disclosed to
* others. Please read the Disclaimer section and contact
* your Intel field representative if you would like more
* information.
*
************************************************** **********
************************************************** **********
* DISCLAIMER: Intel is making no claims of usability,
* efficacy or warranty. The INTEL SOFTWARE LICENSE
* AGREEMENT contained herein completely defines the license
* and use of this software.
*
************************************************** **********
************************************************** **********

************************************************** **********
* CONTENTS OF THIS DOCUMENT
************************************************** **********
NOTES:
- The Intel SATA SSD Firmware Update tool now supports X18-M
and X25-M 34nm products (silver case) as well as the X18-M,
X25-M and X25-E 50nm products (black case).
- Please refer to the RELEASE NOTES also located on the
download page for the specific firmware fixes for each
product family for each release.

This document contains the following sections:

1. Requirements for using the firmware update tool
2. Known Issues
3. Instructions on updating firmware
4. Intel Software License Agreement

************************************************** **********
* 1. REQUIREMENTS FOR USING THE FIRMWARE(FW) UPDATE TOOL
************************************************** **********
Intel strongly recommends that you backup your SSD before
changing or removing your drive password and attempting the
firmware update process.

These instructions are intended for experienced users. If you
need step by step instructions, please see the Intel SSD
SATA Firmware Update Guideline.

POWER
Please ensure if you are updating a mobile system that your
battery is charged up and your system is plugged into a wall
socket. Do not unplug your system during the firmware update
process as this could render your SSD inoperable.

DRIVE PASSWORD
Before removing Drive Passwords, please review the known issues
listed in the following website:
http://www.intel.com/support/ssdc/hpssd/x25m/

This tool will not run correctly if your Drive Password is set.
Please ensure that your Drive Password is turned off (in your
BIOS Settings) before beginning the firmware update process,
then after the firmware update has completed successfully,
please turn the drive password back on again.

BIOS STORAGE CONFIGURATION
This tool will only function correctly with the BIOS SATA ports
configured to "Legacy" / "Compatibility" mode, or "AHCI" mode.
Some BIOS configurations support SATA port modes such as "IRRT",
"RAID", and "Native + IDE" mode, which are not supported by this
utility.

TOOL MEDIA
This Intel SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool is designed to run on a
CD-R that has been loaded with the Intel SSD FW Update ISO
image.
NOTE: Burning an ISO image cannot be accomplished by simply
copying the ISO file to a CD-R.

To correctly burn an ISO image to a CD-R requires:
1) A read and writable (R/W) CD-ROM Drive
2) An image loading software package

Most R/W CD-ROM drives already come with software that can
manage to burn an ISO image correctly to a CD-R. If yours
does not, there are many software packages available over
the internet that can burn an ISO image to a CD-R. Some are
free, some can be purchased online. Please select one that
is best for you by searching on the internet for "How to
copy an ISO image."

************************************************** **********
* 2. Known Issues

************************************************** **********

1. "Drive not recognized" on Nvidia chipset based Macintosh systems
ISSUE: The firmware update tool may not recognize Intel 50nm SSDs with
8610 FW when used on some Nvidia chipset based systems
including the Nvidia based Mac systems.

WORKAROUND:
Remove the SSD from your system, and complete the update
using a non-Nividia based system. After a successful
firmware update, reinstall the drive into your Nvidia based
Apple system and reboot.

2. "Drive not recognized" in AHCI SATA mode
ISSUE: Some platform BIOS implementations of SATA port settings
are not compatible with the update program's process for
locating the SSD within the system in AHCI mode.
WORKAROUND:
For best compatibility, configure the BIOS SATA port mode to
The "Legacy" or "Compatibility" mode to perform the firmware upgrade

3. RAID Configurations
ISSUE: The SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool cannot execute a firmware
update when the SSDs are in a RAID configuration.
WORKAROUND:
Go into the BIOS and disable RAID mode, using "Legacy" or
"Compatibility" mode for the firmware update. If the system
is using IMSM, it is important that you do not disable RAID
within IMSM or other software configuration utility.
After configuring BIOS to "Legacy" or "Compatibility" mode,
reboot the system following the update instructions below.
Once all RAID drives have been updated and verified, enable
RAID in BIOS reboot to complete the process.

4. MSI K9A2 Motherboard
ISSUE: The SATA SSD Firmware Update Tool cannot detect SSDs on ports
3,4,5 & 6
. Only ports 1 & 2 are visible to the tool.
WORKAROUND:
Move your SSD to port 1 or 2 before running the update process

************************************************** **********
* 3. INSTRUCTIONS ON UPDATING THE FIRMWARE
************************************************** **********

1. Load the .ISO image onto a blank CD-R using a CD-ROM Burning
software of your choice. (See Intel SATA SSD Firmware
Update Guide)
2. Ensure the Intel SSD is attached to a SATA port in the system.
For best results, ensure the SATA port is a native control
port of your south bridge controller (generally
SATA ports 0 through 4). SATA ports attached to a 3rd party
SATA controller bridge chip or add-in SATA controller
expansion cards are not recommended for use when updating
the firmware. For more details, consult your system technical
documentation.
3. Insert the Intel SATA SSD Firmware Update CD into the system.
4. Ensure the CD-ROM drive is enabled as a bootable device in BIOS,
and the CD-ROM boot priority is ahead of the drive containing
the OS boot partition. For more details, consult your
system's technical documentation.
5. Complete a safe system shutdown and power off completely, count 10
seconds, then reboot the system. A restart or warm reset
(CTRL-ALT-DEL) is not adequate.
6. Power on your system and the update process begins.
- The tool will prompt you through the update process
for all the SSDs that qualify for the firmware update
in your system
- To verify that the firmware update is complete, power down per step 5
above with the CD still installed and let the
firmware update software scan for SSDs in your system
again. The scan should now display your SSD and the
firmware should now show the new firmware number for your
specific SSD.
- Once the firmware has been verified, remove the CD-ROM and
power down the system again per step 5.

If you have questions about any of these steps, please contact
Intel Customer Support for further assistance at the following
website: http://www.intel.com/go/ssdsupport/

************************************************** **********
* 4. INTEL SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (OEM / IHV / ISV
* Distribution & Single User)
************************************************** **********

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dcl

12-05-2009, 06:34 AM

Ahh got it. It doesn't necessarily state to put it in IDE mode though.

This tool will only function correctly with the BIOS SATA ports
configured to "Legacy" / "Compatibility" mode, or "AHCI" mode.

chuckbam

12-05-2009, 06:48 AM

Ahh got it. It doesn't necessarily state to put it in IDE mode though.

It is the same thing. I depends on what your bios calls it. They are using a generic term. Most modern bios call it IDE mode because that is what it emulates.

SteveRo

12-05-2009, 12:43 PM

How do I know if trim is enabled?
Below from left to right 2xacardR0, x25m-g2, mtron mobi all on evga 680i, w7.
Does the nvidia controller pass the trim command?

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2553/25730956.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=25730956.jpg)

Ao1

12-05-2009, 01:47 PM

^ There is no way of telling if trim is working (unless you benchmark to see if the drives performance has degraded).

Trim will be working automatically however if you are using the ACHI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller driver that came with Win 7.

Win 7 optimisations that were supposed to have occurred automatically do not happen (Defrag etc). I don’t know if that is a Win 7 or Intel issue.

If you are not using the ACHI 1.0 Serial ATA Controller driver, i.e. you are using Intel or Nvidia chips in ACHI mode trim will only work via the toolbox. (Which has been pulled because it deleted system restore points. No eta on a new version as of yet).

dcl

12-05-2009, 07:41 PM

What exactly is the benefit of the Intel Matrix Storage Driver?

Are we giving up performance on our other drives by not using it in favour of the MS one for TRIM?

Ao1

12-06-2009, 02:32 AM

^ I’ve ran benchmarks with the native AHCI drivers, Intel Matrix Storage Drivers and Intel Rapid Storage Technology drivers and they all have around the same performance. The Rapid Storage drivers are currently beta, but they edged out in front on performance, but nothing of any significance.
It doesn’t really matter which drivers you are using if you use the Intel Toolbox to run trim once a day. You can do it manually, which takes a couple of seconds or you can schedule it to occur at a set time.

Stems

12-06-2009, 08:42 AM

After updating my 160GB G2 to the 02HD firmware (thanks for the help; see post(s) above) I got a pretty nice performance boost!

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2241/160gbg202hd.jpg

JohnZS

12-08-2009, 01:20 PM

I found this on the Intel Forum.
Anyone else who has a Gen1 Drive and feels slightly miffed about us being left behind on Firmware Updates. Click here (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/intel-x25-m-g1-trim/) and sign the Petition
John

icywater

12-08-2009, 04:39 PM

i updated bought of my G2, raid0
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9186/crystalt.png

CedricFP

12-08-2009, 05:17 PM

Writes looking a little low there, buddy (except for 4k).

Stems

12-09-2009, 10:34 AM

Yeah, the Seq and 512K writes should be in the 200's at least.

JohnZS

12-19-2009, 10:17 AM

Even Corsair have released a TRIM firmware :(
So lets sign here people (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/intel-x25-m-g1-trim/)

Telperion

12-20-2009, 01:25 AM

Here's my X-25M G2 80GB in an Acer AS1410 notebook, SU2300, ICH9, AHCI, latest firmware. 4K seems slow. Is this a hardware limitation? I can put it in my desktop to test, but it would be as a data drive, not an OS drive, if that makes a difference.

http://ultraxs.com/image-131F_4B2C33DD.jpg

heydo6

12-20-2009, 11:09 AM

here my x25m g2 80gb ssd , ahci on p6t se , pack date 10/17/09 , i can't seem to update to the newest firmware or find the managment tool . i score 7.8 in win 7 , i was wondering if mine is on par with where it should be or do i need more tweaks ?

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3199/12202009140640.png (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/12202009140640.png/)

i nearly doubled my score in this app. by editing the registrey and enableing ahci
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4812/12202009142026.png (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/12202009142026.png/)

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7636/12202009143009.png (http://img687.imageshack.us/i/12202009143009.png/)

should i put all my apps. on my ssd like , speedfan , realtemp and so on ? or should i keep it to as little as possible ?

finally got the firmware updated and trim enabled , wish i would have ran this app on a fresh install and after every app i added to see what slows it down the most . maybe i'll do a fresh install later .
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1189/12202009170030.png (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/12202009170030.png/)

Ao1

12-22-2009, 12:21 AM

1.2 Toolbox (http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18455) is now available.

Edit: Seems that 1.2 has to tip toe around system restore points, so the more restore points you have the longer it takes. Without restore points it is more or less instant but with lots of restore points it can take a long time.

fvbounty

12-22-2009, 04:16 PM

Here's my 160 gig X25-M G2 with the latest firmware, flashed in IDE mode then switched to ACHI with fresh install of W7 Pro 64 bit, using Microsoft drivers....very happy with this drive!

Xcel

12-23-2009, 12:50 PM

I just reinstalled Windows 7 on a brand new x25 80GB with the latest firmware. The x25 is definetly faster than my Vertex 60, which I put in another computer. Not that big a difference but Windows loads faster and programs install slightly quicker compared to the Vertex FW1.41.

ezaleina

12-28-2009, 09:37 PM

can i know how to update the firmware.,can i save the firmware on flashdrive & run it from there..?

chuckbam

12-28-2009, 09:42 PM

can i know how to update the firmware.,can i save the firmware on flashdrive & run it from there..?

It is an ISO so I put it on a CD.

ezaleina

12-28-2009, 10:21 PM

It is an ISO so I put it on a CD.

do i have to extract the iso files 1st..?

chuckbam

12-29-2009, 05:47 AM

do i have to extract the iso files 1st..?

I use this program to burn a disk.

http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm

TurboDiv

12-29-2009, 11:42 AM

Can someone with AMD 790FX or 750 with native Microsoft Windows 7 AHCI driver post some test results please. All i see is Intel controllers in here. If the results are slightly worse than the Intel ICH9 dont get shy and post results guys. Thanks ! Mine is coming soon and i will post results but i know at least 1 person has this running on a 790FX.

ezaleina

12-30-2009, 09:27 AM

guys.,can i know how to enable TRIM under win 7.,if i want to update the formware.,can i update it on AHCI mode..tq..

ezaleina

12-30-2009, 09:29 AM

if i have bootable flash drive.,can i update the firmware using it..?

RAYTTK

12-30-2009, 10:15 AM

if i have bootable flash drive.,can i update the firmware using it..?
Full and Detailed instructions on how to do the firmware update are available with the Firmware download at Intel here

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&ProductFamily=Solid+State+Drives+and+Caching&ProductLine=Intel%c2%ae+High+Performance+Solid+Sta te+Drive&ProductProduct=Intel%c2%ae+X25-M+Solid+State+Drive%2c+80GB+SATA+II+2.5in%2c+MLC%2 c+High+Performance&ProdId=3044&LineId=3014&FamilyId=3124

TurboDiv

12-30-2009, 11:22 PM

Lu(ky

12-30-2009, 11:38 PM

Hey guys I got my disk. It came with 02HA. Tomorrow I will be installing it. What I'm wondering about is the reliability of this drive. Do any of you used it for more than a few months without any problems ? By problems I mean erasing itself after shutdown/sleep at least once since you had it ? I've come across one or two cases on Google where this happened so I just hope this is just an isolated issue...

If you follow the Intel step by step instructions as shown above listed it will update the FW with no problems. And your drive will work fine. I been using mine for the past 3 month with no problems and heavy use on it as well. Like photoshop, gaming etc..

TurboDiv

12-31-2009, 02:06 PM

Hey guys. i got it all installed. Went into the bios E-Sata Controller Mode was swtiched from IDE to AHCI. Than I installed winows 7 + drivers and kaspersky and than decided to test and here are the results:

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/2670/ssdt.th.jpg (http://img509.imageshack.us/i/ssdt.jpg/)

Something is wrong in my opinion. I am also not sure if that AHCI driver is working. When i went back to my bios there was a RAID menu. I entered it and there was a submenu which was "ATA devices" IDE or AHCI. It was already on IDE so when i switched it to AHCI windows would not load and gives me an error 0x00000007B. I have done the MS solution to the error 0x000000007B for AHCI but when i went to the registry it was already set to 0 just like MS suggests so that did not solve it. This makes me think that AHCI is not working on my machine eventhough it installed its AHCI driver as seen in the Device manager. Also i dont have the "hot swap" icon at the bottom of my screen by the clock...

PS; I have fixed the problem guys. Just reinstalled Windows and everything is working normally now.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3779/ssdm.th.jpg (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/ssdm.jpg/) http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1611/ssd2c.th.jpg (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/ssd2c.jpg/)

Russ_64

01-04-2010, 08:06 AM

I updated my firmware to 02HD when the new update was released and AS Benchmark was R:169 W:72 Total:327.
Today I installed Toolbox 1.2 and ran Optimizer now it is R:198 W:103 Total:402 - that is a 23% increase !!
Scheduled to do weekly optimizer.