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jaredpace

09-30-2009, 03:21 PM

Official HD5970 / HD5870 / HD5850 / HD5770 / HD5750 Overclocking Thread
*This is a results thread, not a guide, Not responsible, use at your own risk*
Summary posts 1-820
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9088/amdatiradeonhd5970graph.jpg HD5970 average OC: 997 / 1231 @ 1.299v
http://i48.tinypic.com/2yjujkg.jpg
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah734PmsAFeKdG5XRDNSMUVwQkgwemNjMk41TW5mc 1E&hl=en

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4451/radeonhd5870lengthdtxm.jpg HD5870 average OC: 1027 / 1286 @ 1.27v
http://i48.tinypic.com/szx7h4.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/2db77o0.jpg
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah734PmsAFeKdHpOY1JXZGVBSHVQLVJtWmxFZk1Nd 3c&hl=en

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6847/radeonhd5850.jpg HD5850 average OC: 1001 / 1232 @ 1.226v
http://i48.tinypic.com/2lscl8z.jpg
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah734PmsAFeKdDV5dHRZaVVGczIyd0lJcnl0RzZDV EE&hl=en

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9128/atiradeonhd5770.jpg HD57XX average OC: 961 / 1311 @ 1.225v
http://i48.tinypic.com/8zh738.jpg
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ah734PmsAFeKdFp5dUR5NzFnY29ULW9USlBLLV9EY nc&hl=en

UPDATE:
Get all the vcore you need on your 5000 series GPU, plus the ability to overvolt memory (actually the 2nd vt1165 which controls VDDCI/VTT on 5870/5970, may help memory clocks slightly - Thx Hipro5) with the newest beta version of RBE. Unload your bios via Gpu-Z, edit via RBE beta, flash back. First bios in the thread was a modified HD5850 @ .95 157/300 idle and 1.25v/1.15v 1000/1300 load. Very Impressive - expect a whole new host of desirable bioses popping up soon. If you have RBE experience, get to work!
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=113949
http://i49.tinypic.com/sbslmp.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s261/Massman-/MSI%20R5870%20Lightning/R5870%20Lightning%20LN2/v2.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/30cqati.jpg
Andreyang's "Frankenstein looking" hardmodded 5870's

Let's get to it! :cool:
http://tpucdn.com/gpuz/screen1.gifhttp://i33.tinypic.com/33xzih0.jpg
courtesy of W1zzard & Elmor
http://i33.tinypic.com/2rw46pv.jpg
Single 5870 courtesy the Great Shamino (using 1.6v OCP-modded)
http://i45.tinypic.com/33wvzap.jpg
Single 5870 from Deanzo (team pure) 1.6v LN2
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5870_overclocking/images/c1920.gifhttp://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_hd_5850_performance_preview/images/occrysisvhigh.gif
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_5870_overclocking/page4.asp

5870:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/148/in4g.th.jpg (http://img12.imageshack.us/i/in4g.jpg/)http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1176/in2e.th.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/i/in2e.jpg/)http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9338/radeonhd5850pcb09.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/i/radeonhd5850pcb09.jpg/)http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7194/radeonhd587004.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/i/radeonhd587004.jpg/)http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2098/radeonhd587003.th.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/radeonhd587003.jpg/)http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5828/5870cooler1.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/5870cooler1.jpg/)
5850:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3868/radeonhd5850pcb07.th.jpg (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/radeonhd5850pcb07.jpg/)http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7758/fullscreencapture930200.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture930200.jpg/)http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1247/fullscreencapture930200u.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture930200u.jpg/)http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6264/fullscreencapture102200.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture102200.jpg/)http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6264/fullscreencapture102200.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture102200.jpg/)http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6264/fullscreencapture102200.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture102200.jpg/)
5770:
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6163/23862168.th.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/23862168.jpg/)http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3697/img7317.th.jpg (http://img392.imageshack.us/i/img7317.jpg/)http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7350/fullscreencapture107200.th.jpg (http://img209.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture107200.jpg/)http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7350/fullscreencapture107200.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture107200.jpg/)http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/5056/fullscreencapture106200.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture106200.jpg/)http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7350/fullscreencapture107200.th.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture107200.jpg/)
5750:
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2608/img7177.th.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/img7177.jpg/)http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/5056/fullscreencapture106200.th.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture106200.jpg/)http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6020/img7153.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/img7153.jpg/)http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/7739/img7134q.th.jpg (http://img2.imageshack.us/i/img7134q.jpg/)http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/5454/img7167.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/i/img7167.jpg/)http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/2930/img7186.th.jpg (http://img243.imageshack.us/i/img7186.jpg/)

The overclocks of our card are 835 MHz core (15% overclock) and 1260 MHz Memory (26% overclock). For your reference, the defaults are 725 / 1000 (GPU-Z is showing the wrong values due to a bug which will be fixed in the next version). As a percentage those overclocks are really nice. The maximum core clock of 835 MHz is clear evidence that this GPU ended on a HD 5850 because it could not handle the HD 5870 clock speeds of 850 MHz. The memory chips are exactly the same as on the HD 5870, which results in roughly the same maximum memory clock. In essence you can get a HD 5850 and overclock it to almost HD 5870 performance levels in just a few minutes. I would also like to point out that you can increase the voltage for better GPU overclocking. The default voltage of 1.09 V is quite low and there is plenty temperature headroom as well. So I ran a quick test at 1.30 V GPU and reached a maximum core clock of 1000 MHz.
As mentioned in the HD 5870 article, overclocking the memory on these cards is quite different from any other card so far. Normally you'd expect rendering errors or crashes, but not with these cards. Thanks to the new error correction algorithm in the memory controller, every memory error is just retransmitted until everything is fine. So once you exceed the "stable" clock frequency, memory errors will appear more often, get retransmitted, but the rendered output will still look perfectly fine. The only difference is that performance drops, the further you increase the clocks, the lower the performance gets. As a result a normal "artifact scanning" approach to memory overclocking on the HD 5800 Series will not work. You have to manually increase the clocks and observe the framerate until you find the point where performance drops.
- W1zzard
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/33.html

There are 3 ways to get past AMD clock limit:
1) Get new BIOS from your vendor with extended overclocking limits if possible. AMD allows some vendors to have higher reachable clock limits that others.
2) Use AMD BIOS editors like RBE, some of them are able to override AMD limitations and edit overclocking limits.
3) Use AMDGPUTool, ATITool or RivaTuner. These tools can optionally use advanced undocumented AMD overclocking interface bypassing the limits. However, keep in mind that this interface is incompatible with PowerPlay (so your 5870 will start eating 100+W instead of 20W in idle).
DON'T TRY to use multiple tools accessing voltage controller AT THE SAME time. It CAN be dangerous, especially if some other tool is WRITING some data to VRM (and tools that monitor VRM temperatures WRITE data to VRM). Trying to display VRM status in ANY combination of AMDGPUClockTool, GPU-Z, Everest and Afterburner is DANGER. If you REALLY need to run those tools together, disable voltage controller monitoring in all of them but one.
Probably giving easy voltage controls to beginners was not a good idea. That is why it is hidden that deep in RivaTuner and available to power users only. Anyway, that's MSI's choice. There is always a balance between happy hardcore overclockers and unhappy beginners and vice versa.
- Unwinder
http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3293859&postcount=16

HD5970 RISK LADEN WATERCOOLING SPECIAL:
Super disclaimer: Not responsible for destroyed cards.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2jcj4t3.jpg
Cards on full cover water might reach 1200mhz core / 1400mhz mem. If you can cool the dozen or so voltage regualtors that love to reach the boiling point (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4133658&postcount=35), then you can oc to the max. VRMS, not core temps are your limiting factor. You're going to need an ASUS voltage tweak 5970 bios (for use with smartdoctor), afterburner edited with unlocked CCC limits, ASUS smart doctor, and all the other basic software.
If you know how to control the I2C values, it's possible to set your memory voltage higher than 1.15v (1.15v is maximum Vmem available via the ATI overvolt tool). Rivatuner in combination with the knowledge from the voltage soft-mod threads linked at the bottom of this post may help you. First clock your memory to the highest stable speed and stress test for decreases in performance.
Flash to the asus 5970 bios and use smartdoctor to get your core/engine voltage to ~1.45v, however ASUS bios clocks in CCC are still capped at 1000mhz. AB currently maxes at 1.3v. AMD gpuclocktool should raise mhz higher than 1ghz limit - this will likely disable powerplay 2d clocks as would AB's unofficial overclocking method. So far the highest 5970 OC I've seen is 1030/1300.
Ati overvolt utility:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1699/ATI_HD_5970_Overvoltage_Utility.html
Smartdoctor 5.51 nov 26, 2009
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/vga/app/SmartDoc551.zip
AMD gpuclocktool
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1641/AMD_GPU_Clock_Tool_v0.9.26.0_For_HD_5870.html
Asus 5970 bios, slave + master
http://www.mediafire.com/file/qqz3w3jzntl/EAH5970_AS03.zip
( EAH5970 has two GPUs. There are two BIOS in the .zip file for both master and slave GPU. Please run "AS03M.exe" at first and then "AS03S.exe". Restart system when you finish.)

5970 Load temps on EK full cover waterblock:
http://i48.tinypic.com/euekwi.jpg

> 1000mhz core:
http://i48.tinypic.com/2nur42r.jpg

ASUS 5870 unlocked bios:
http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/56695/Asus.HD5870.1024.090915.html
MSI 5870 unlocked bios:
http://cid-26aaa81850481d85.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/%E5%85%AC%E9%96%8B/MSI%5E_R5870%5E_unlock.910
ASUS 5850 unlocked bios:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98455&d=1257556756
MSI 5850 unlocked bios:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98039&d=1255628605
ASUS 5770 unlocked bios:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98190&d=1256400717

TOOLS:
(Thanks Unwinder for RT & Afterburner. Thank you W1z for GPU-Z)
MSI Afterburner:
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3529/4078860443_c4c44548f1_o.png
http://hwbot.org/blog/wp-content/image004.png

GPU-Z:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/SysInfo/GPU-Z/
http://tpucdn.com/gpuz/screen1.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/gpuz/screen2.gif

ATi Flash:
http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/1650/ATIFlash_3.75.html
http://news.mydrivers.com/Img/20091004/S09080204.jpg

Get the latest Radeon 5000 Series Catalyst beta drivers here:
http://forums.guru3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=46

Guide to flashing ASUS on 5870:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15021144&postcount=1
http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3296382&postcount=7
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4066161&postcount=422

[H] Radeon 5800 overclocking thread:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1457047

If you need help with software voltage modding, google it:p:, or check these support threads:
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=74630
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1457047
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=227628
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=235297
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=215521

Please post your best results here! Thank you.

GLENBOY

09-30-2009, 04:08 PM

nice thread jared, just one thing the link to gputool which is pictured is going to amd gpu clock tool which is a different animal and not as good as gputool which you have pictured but alas gputool is not publically available yet which works with the 5800 series cards but its coming, then we'll see some real overclocking especially with the 5850s i feel, thanks for starting the thread off and i'll be watching this thread eagerly

chispy

09-30-2009, 05:35 PM

Cheers

Chispy.

jaredpace

09-30-2009, 05:49 PM

Yes absolute respect for unwinder & wizzard. I'm just linking to currently available software. Glenboy thanks, I just realized that was a gpu-tool screen, it's fixed.

chispy

09-30-2009, 06:05 PM

Yes absolute respect for unwinder & wizzard. I'm just linking to currently available software. Glenboy thanks, I just realized that was a gpu-tool screen, it's fixed.

Hey NP good guy then its all good :). Take care.

Angelo.

ViRuS2k

09-30-2009, 07:00 PM

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1370/crysisoverclocked.jpg

Still testing but like someone already said we really need a RBE update to support cypress and cypress XT gpus so that we can remove that god awfull amd gpu clock limit.

mR Yellow

10-01-2009, 12:06 AM

Reserved untill software is released....

*side note, From looking at those stock to over-clocked results there doesnt seem to be that much of a improvement, i mean stressing the card right out for 4 half. fps ? lol*
are you cpu limited or bottlenecking those cards ? clearly something is wrong becuse when i had my 2x 4890s overclocked from stock to 980core the results where much much higher.

Yes, that might be true for Crysis but u might see greater gains in other games.

BTW U guys know about the new error mem checking in the 5xxx series? Higher OCs sometimes result in slower performance.

Can't wait to see how the 5850s OC.

flopper

10-01-2009, 12:53 AM

I would assume we need the RBE tool to remove the ATI set max overclock mhz with a modified bios?

SubZero.it

10-01-2009, 08:38 AM

Want my card here!!!!!!!!!

Sh1tyMcGee

10-01-2009, 08:43 AM

Mine does 900/1300 easy. At this point, overclocking is pointless for me. All games run very good.

Quad-Damage

10-01-2009, 11:49 AM

Any info on HD 5870 vs other cards?

okorop

10-01-2009, 12:28 PM

is msi after burning working fine with all the 5870 or only with msi brand?

ViRuS2k

10-01-2009, 12:52 PM

is msi after burning working fine with all the 5870 or only with msi brand?

Everything works fine apart from upping the clocks past 900 and 1300 otherwize you have to use AMD GPU tool to bypass those like i have had to do untill RBE gets a update.

Lightman

10-01-2009, 01:27 PM

Just quick report before going to bed (long day tomorrow :()!

Sapphire default GPU Vcore is 1.125V load
not good enough for 960MHz core in FureMark (freezes after 30+sec.)
upping vGPU to 1.185V is enough for stable 1GHz on core! Haven't had time to try higher clocks on this voltage yet. It will need to wait till tomorrow!

BTW 9500 oMarks is easy with this card :)

@okorop: Afterburner works fine on Sapphire HD5870 which should mean it will work on any reference HD5870 :)

okorop

10-01-2009, 02:25 PM

purecain

10-01-2009, 03:47 PM

i got back into the country today, rushed home... picked up my new sapphire 5870, went into my office at home eager to get my tech hit... only to find the electrics off till monday....

wtf....landlord+electrician=epic fail

end of rant....:(

lowdog

10-01-2009, 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=Lightman;4043208]

Sapphire default GPU Vcore is 1.125V load

[QUOTE]

No, it's 1.162V, at least thats what mine is at load.

mR Yellow

10-01-2009, 10:46 PM

Any OC results yet for the 5850?

Oese

10-01-2009, 11:06 PM

waiting for my card :p

Chickenfeed

10-02-2009, 08:29 AM

I am curious if anyone has had any display driver has stopped responding issues yet. If I really put the hurt on the card with something like Furmark's stress test, eventually the driver will stop responding ( this is at 900/1300 ) Games however have been solid and then there is the fact that Furmark's stress loads things a good 8-12C hotter than even Crysis Warhead on Enthusiast with AA. I've yet to try overriding the fan to run at high speed in Furmark but I may try that out of curiosity ( I find the card becomes quite loud past %40 speed but no game seems to get it that high ; only Furmark - games tend to be from 25-35% with the fan profile)

Migi06

10-02-2009, 08:31 AM

5850 should have volterra VT1156MF chip on the back:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2009/09/Radeon_HD_5850_R_ckseite.jpg

Chickenfeed

10-02-2009, 08:46 AM

Here is a Vanatage P run at 4GHz cpu and 900/1300 on the 5870. For whatever reason GPUZ doesn't seem to report the overclocks for me.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/440/vpi74ghz58701gb9001300.th.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/vpi74ghz58701gb9001300.jpg/)

Bojamijams

10-02-2009, 09:03 AM

Please forget about Furmark.. for any and all reasons... as you said yourself, even the hardest hitting game at its highest settings doesn't put anywhere near the kind of stress+heat on it..

Chickenfeed

10-02-2009, 09:28 AM

I agree with you there but I am somewhat OCD in that if anything causes instability or driver crashes I /wrist :rolleyes: In the realworld though the card is doing fine ( doubt even 2560x1600 with 8x SSAA would be as nasty as furmarks high stress test )

nascasho

10-02-2009, 09:41 AM

Holy god I managed to pwn my other score using just one card this time!

But how the hell are others breaking the 19k mark with one card?!

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1457343

P18058

ieatrawbacos

10-02-2009, 10:10 AM

Ordered a 5850 yesterday, looking forward to seeing what it can do.

Please forget about Furmark.. for any and all reasons... as you said yourself, even the hardest hitting game at its highest settings doesn't put anywhere near the kind of stress+heat on it..

Which is exactly why it's a good stress tester. I always want to have some margins, so worst case scenario tests are a must.

Migi06

10-02-2009, 10:16 AM

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/1.html
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/memory_small.jpg
The GDDR5 memory chips are made by Samsung and carry the model number K4G10325FE-HC04. They are specified to run at 1250 MHz (5000 MHz GDDR5 effective). Those are the same chips like on the big brother HD 5870 - get ready for some serious overclocking.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/vreg_small.jpg
The GPU voltage is managed by a Volterra VT1165MF voltage controller which is I2C capable enabling software voltmods.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/gpuz_oc.gif
The overclocks of our card are 835 MHz core (15% overclock) and 1260 MHz Memory (26% overclock). For your reference, the defaults are 725 / 1000 (GPU-Z is showing the wrong values due to a bug which will be fixed in the next version). As a percentage those overclocks are really nice. The maximum core clock of 835 MHz is clear evidence that this GPU ended on a HD 5850 because it could not handle the HD 5870 clock speeds of 850 MHz. The memory chips are exactly the same as on the HD 5870, which results in roughly the same maximum memory clock. In essence you can get a HD 5850 and overclock it to almost HD 5870 performance levels in just a few minutes. I would also like to point out that you can increase the voltage for better GPU overclocking. The default voltage of 1.09 V is quite low and there is plenty temperature headroom as well. So I ran a quick test at 1.30 V GPU and reached a maximum core clock of 1000 MHz.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/perf_oc.gif

5850 & Waterblock :woot:

jaredpace

10-02-2009, 10:25 AM

Nice post^

Does the VT1165MF need to be cooled?

Migi06

10-02-2009, 10:30 AM

Nice post^

Does the VT1165MF need to be cooled?

Dont thinks so.. If you look 5870 cooler it wont cool those chips:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/images/front.jpg
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_5870/images/cooler3.jpg

ieatrawbacos

10-02-2009, 10:40 AM

Anyone know if the Sapphire 5850 has the same Samsung memory ICs?

jaredpace

10-02-2009, 10:53 AM

Anyone know if the Sapphire 5850 has the same Samsung memory ICs?

The answer to your question is 'yes' - 4 posts above and in the OP. :D Edit: just realized that you might be looking for clarification between brands. HIS, Sapphire, Asus, do they all have programmable volt-regs & 4.ns samsung 5gpbs ics? So far the answer is yes, since they all appear to be based on Ati's reference designed PCB.

ieatrawbacos

10-02-2009, 11:01 AM

The answer to your question is 'yes' - 4 posts above and in the OP. :D

I realize that these are all reference cards and are likely to all use the same memory, but there have been exceptions in the past.

I don't see a Sapphire branded 5850 in the OP, and the post above my last is about an HIS card.

Just wondering if anyone had seen under the heatsink of a Sapphire branded 5850 and could confirm with 100% certainty that they also use the 1250MHz rated Samsung ICs.

jaredpace

10-02-2009, 11:05 AM

Yeah i just realized you were talking about brands. I would say yes, but to be safe maybe we can wait for someone with a sapphire 5850 to tell us

GLENBOY

10-02-2009, 11:22 AM

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/gpuz_oc.gif[/IMG]
The overclocks of our card are 835 MHz core (15% overclock) and 1260 MHz Memory (26% overclock). For your reference, the defaults are 725 / 1000 (GPU-Z is showing the wrong values due to a bug which will be fixed in the next version). As a percentage those overclocks are really nice. The maximum core clock of 835 MHz is clear evidence that this GPU ended on a HD 5850 because it could not handle the HD 5870 clock speeds of 850 MHz. The memory chips are exactly the same as on the HD 5870, which results in roughly the same maximum memory clock. In essence you can get a HD 5850 and overclock it to almost HD 5870 performance levels in just a few minutes. I would also like to point out that you can increase the voltage for better GPU overclocking. The default voltage of 1.09 V is quite low and there is plenty temperature headroom as well. So I ran a quick test at 1.30 V GPU and reached a maximum core clock of 1000 MHz.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/HIS/HD_5850/images/perf_oc.gif

5850 & Waterblock :woot:

now thats the info we've been waiting for on the 5850 5000mhz rated memory chips and a core with a bit of extra volts thats good for a 1000ish , excellent

okorop

10-02-2009, 11:23 AM

this is my small oc testing the card 1010-1330 :)
tomorrow I will continue from this point :)
http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/_200910/th_20091002211905_test5.JPG (http://www.pctunerup.com/up/image.php?src=_200910/20091002211905_test5.JPG)

Oese

10-02-2009, 11:40 AM

this seems to work xD
http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/09/10/02/g3x.png

http://gpuz.techpowerup.com/09/10/02/59.png

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_5606c4gl.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_5606c4gl.jpg)

flopper

10-02-2009, 11:49 AM

now thats the info we've been waiting for on the 5850 5000mhz rated memory chips and a core with a bit of extra volts thats good for a 1000ish , excellent

it be a good monday :yepp:

Chickenfeed

10-02-2009, 12:29 PM

Holy god I managed to pwn my other score using just one card this time!

But how the hell are others breaking the 19k mark with one card?!

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1457343

P18058

My guess is over volting and 4.2+ i7s with HT enabled.

I'd honestly only regard the GPU score. As the CPU can inflate it a lot ( eg your total is 700 higher yet my gpu score is higher )

ViRuS2k

10-02-2009, 12:47 PM

GLENBOY

10-02-2009, 12:52 PM

do you use the link button in the msi tool to overclock in crossfire so it overvolts all the cards

wekktor

10-02-2009, 12:56 PM

how high vgpu can u use for 24/7 ? my maxtemp with 1.225v and 1000core is 55c.

jaredpace

10-02-2009, 01:22 PM

your gpu & pwm has a thing called OCP that will shut your board down if you over heat it or overflow it with too much voltage :) Even so, i would stay under 1.30v - since that's the highest I've heard mentioned so far. Pretty soon someone will figure out the exact amount where over-volt protection and over-current protection initialize. Virus2k, a link to that asus 1200/1400 bios??

wekktor

10-02-2009, 01:44 PM

so that means I cant damage the card because of too high volt?

I think it is this bios ?

http://techpowerup.com/vgabios/56695/Asus.HD5870.1024.090915.html

jaredpace

10-02-2009, 02:20 PM

You can always damage your card, keep it reasonable, or read up on some of those support threads. Virus2k, that OC is really nice! :0

lowdog

10-02-2009, 03:26 PM

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2913/gpuvoltagemsifixed.jpg

ATI power play working
Voltages working
Crossfire working

all done with this nice little MSI overclocking tool from the same maker of Rivatuner
to remove the GPU clocks limit you must flash the new released asus 1200/1400 bios.

Hang on, how are you overclocking those Sapphire cards over the 900 core limit and CCC is showing 1200 core and 1400 mem limits :confused:

EDIT; okay see you have flashed to the Asus bios. Where is this bios available, is it the same one from techpowerup? also what program and paramaters are people using to flash the 5870, thanks.

wekktor

10-02-2009, 03:35 PM

if you flash your bios to asus then it will be 1200/1400 limit. You can overclock in AMD GPU Clock Tool over yours limit(900) with your bios and then change the fanspeed and voltage in MSI AfterBurner but then the 2d clock doesnt work, but if u just want to benchmark or if you dont care about 2d clock mode then u can clock in amd gpu tool

Oese

10-03-2009, 12:44 AM

curious which flashtool (atiflash doesnt work) too and which bios exactly.. the above posted?

Oese

10-03-2009, 02:23 AM

ahhh atiflash 3.75 with -fs command does the job :)

Oese

10-03-2009, 02:38 AM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/5870oc1z5f9.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=5870oc1z5f9.jpg)

asus bios ftw :)

stable with stock voltages... ram > 1325 decreases fps again....

http://www.abload.de/thumb/5870oc2v0v7.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=5870oc2v0v7.jpg)

stable with 1.25v gpu... (5 minutes tested..)

Oese

10-03-2009, 05:06 AM

btw how hot do your vrm get under load? using gpu-z for readout?

xman01

10-03-2009, 05:24 AM

does furmark up the vrm temps rediculously high as with the 4870/90?

Mech0z

10-03-2009, 05:27 AM

Damm I want to see OC when people get their waterblocks for these :)

Btw do you think its a bad idear to get the MCW60 and passive mem cooling compared to fullblock when my CM ATCS 840 only have one fan blowing air in? Like do the mem chips get really hot on this board?

Oese

10-03-2009, 05:43 AM

i have gpu only + little coolers atm...

memchips do get hot to the touch without active cooling but not hotter as they were on the 48xx

about furmark: yes it burns the hell out of the cards again. with "xtreme burning" mode i get ~80°C @ 925/1300 with stock voltage on the vrm's after a minute, whereas 2h of gaming will stay at 60°C max. power consupmtion gets up to 74A, whereas gaming or atitool would use 50A maximum xD

Did not test with stock cooler, would be nice to have a comparison....

Dami3n

10-03-2009, 05:57 AM

I love Afterburner(with g15 support and small interface will be the ultimate tool)
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2920/vantageoc5870uruk.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/i/vantageoc5870uruk.jpg/)

Last GPU-Z doesn´t read the overclock speeds :shrug:

Mech0z

10-03-2009, 05:58 AM

Oese

10-03-2009, 06:08 AM

i think swiftech will release a nice passive ram and vrm companion for the mcw60, so i would recommend that combination, because gpu-only coolers normally provide better temperatures and last longer then one card generation. i use my heatkiller gpu-x since the geforce 7800^^ saves a lot of money and the temperatures are awesome...

also i found that for most cards gpu-only+some passive coolers and some thermal adhesive is enough really... if u like or dont care about the looks that is..

jaredpace

10-03-2009, 06:51 AM

Anyone know the max voltage for core or Ovp/OCP limit? Or stock voltages for the 5850 / 5870? I hear it is 5850: 0.84v idle, 1.09v load and 5870: 0.95v idle, 1.15v load. So far, two people in this thread have reported 5870 load voltage to be 1.125v and 1.162v...

Also check out these overdrive limits:shocked::

http://i38.tinypic.com/35dd939.jpg

Dami3n

10-03-2009, 07:10 AM

1500/1500 :eek:
My CCC stops in 1200 for core and 1400 for ram.

Oese

10-03-2009, 07:15 AM

any of u guys could post what their vrm temps are like under load?

trying to find out whats safe and whats not as well :)

wekktor

10-03-2009, 07:40 AM

Oese

10-03-2009, 07:47 AM

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4045006&postcount=43

here you go, this bios is the 1200/1400 one

just crashed crysis with 1000/1300 @ 1,25v, lets try 1,275 :)

Oese

10-03-2009, 08:28 AM

what is very nice: msi afterburner writes the voltages into the driver config if u select "apply oc at startup", such that only the 3d profile vgpu is upped even without afterburner being loaded... neat!

wekktor

10-03-2009, 08:29 AM

flopper

10-03-2009, 08:30 AM

any asus 5850 bios yet?

jaredpace

10-03-2009, 08:36 AM

Hi, I have searched for OCP for 5870 and didnt find anything, can you link it to me please?
I can link you to the older topics that discuss OCP & OVP for rv770. I'm still waiting for someone to tell us the point where OCP starts for cypress. (and also to measure default idle / load with dmm :p:)

Disclaimer:
Performing these voltmods will void any and all warranties your video card may have.
You - and only you - are responsible for any damage caused indirectly (or directly) by these modifications. You can find 4800 series discusson of OCP here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=190990

For example OCP on HD4870x2 is 1.37v. Without hard modding & soldering on your card, the card won't let you software modify each gpu's voltage higher than 1.37v. That interference is called triggering OCP. It's not something found only on 4870's, its in all NV 8000, 9000, Gtx series, ati 4000, 5000 etc. It is the card's method of protecting itself from voltage surges, spikes, and dumbos illegally tampering with vgpu :D. The extreme oc'ers even make PCB modifications that bypass OCP & OVP (extremely dangerous) in order to push even more voltage into the core.

Like this: (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3393087&postcount=81 and http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3393897&postcount=87).

Those extreme guys (kingpin, hipro, & shamino and the likes) are aiming for 1.3ghz clocks on LN2 cooled gpus. Most modern gpus have over-clock protection, over-current protection, and over-voltage protection limits. These limits trigger when internal loads or temperatures are detected over the limit. Also it has been discussed that 5800's have hardware level throttling for the gpu's core speed and the boards voltage regulators (something not present in the 4000 generation - remember the furmark VRM overheating thing) that, in addition to ovp & ocp, will prevent the card from hurting itself (not to mention the memory has ecc & is protected as well). Knowing about all these self-protections mechanisms may make you a little more care-free about overclocking, but you can still KILL YOUR GPU. I've yet to hardmod a vga and know only a little about OCP, and don't want to encourage this type of modding (even though it's fun) because I am not responsible for any risks you make based on reading any of this. Maybe someone like K404 or Largon can explain OCP in more accurate detail, or you can try searching through the grahpics Vmod section here to learn more about it. Hey, obv someone made a 1500/1500 bios, so 1200/1400 must not have been enough. :rolleyes:
:ROTF:

Monstru

10-03-2009, 08:39 AM

Stock volts, comfortable 40% fan speed. HD 5850 puts up a very interesting fight :)

http://lab501.ro/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2340&d=1254574647

http://lab501.ro/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2341&d=1254574647

ViRuS2k

10-03-2009, 08:39 AM

Just a word of warning people.

do not test your graphics cards with firmmark or atitool
as they wont show errors, the memory controller on these cards has intergrated error checking so even if there was errors it wouldnt be shown on screen.
ATI tool will never show memory errors.

test your overclocks with the frost levels on crysis warhead
aswell as stalker clear sky at the start all maxed out 4xaa16af ectect.

wekktor

10-03-2009, 08:53 AM

ViRuS2k

10-03-2009, 09:08 AM

? I use atitool and it shows me artifacts if I have too little voltage/too high oc.

There is issues with furmark and the 5870 cards.
the issues your seeing are core instability artifacts.

dont test with firmark as its a sure fire way of burning out vrms pritty quickly

test useing the most stressfull games.

Side Note* that guys firmark above is at 85c lol i would love to know what your VRM temps are under the hood i bet there 100+

wekktor

10-03-2009, 09:18 AM

how can you see the vrm temps ?

Oese

10-03-2009, 09:23 AM

Hi oese. I have now flashed my xfx to asus and it worked perfect. Now the 2dclock works again with oc and voltage. But I want to know how high voltage is safe for 24/7 ? Is 1.225v with 1000 core and 55c max temp ok for 24/7? Or can I use up to 1.275v for 24/7 if the temps are ok and no artifacts? Oese, do you use that high volt for 24/7 or just for benchmarks ?

/wekktor

i plan to use for 24/7

but pls ppl could someone look up his vrm temperatures in the gpu-z sensors tab so we can make some kind of a comparison?

i have 80°C after a minute of furmark @ 925/1300 stock voltage and 75°C when gaming crysis @ 1000/1300 with 1,275v vgpu.

all on small passive heatsinks glued to the vrm with thermal adhesive...

pls someone post your temps either stock cooler or anything else....

Oese

10-03-2009, 09:46 AM

for vrm temps use the gpu-z tab "sensors"

VDDC phase 1 to 4 are the vrm temperatures...

wekktor

10-03-2009, 09:51 AM

thx oese

I will try furmark after I ate and see what vrm temps I get

Oese

10-03-2009, 09:58 AM

nice :)

GLENBOY

10-03-2009, 10:21 AM

Stock volts, comfortable 40% fan speed. HD 5850 puts up a very interesting fight :)

]

thanks monstru thanks for posting up now give it some extra volts and high fan speed and lets see what these babies can do

Monstru

10-03-2009, 10:37 AM

Hehe, I will, I will, but first I have to finish my review, and after that I will start working on the overclocking review. I am sure this (http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/4890-ln2.jpg) will look good on 5850 and 5870, just like it did on 4890 at that moment :)

Regarding FUR....well, at 850 with 1200 everything is ok in Fur and in Warhead and all the other tests, the board is rock stable. But...

with Fur, I can go as high as 875/1300 and everything is ok. However, this fails in 3DMark 2003 right away. 850/1300 fails after a few minutes, 850 with 1200 is rock stable (6 loops of Warhead, 6 long loops of FarCry 2, etc). So yes, Fur is not quite accurate with this cards.

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/5850-875-1300.jpg

Zinthar

10-03-2009, 10:52 AM

This may be a stupid question, but when you soft overvolt these cards, does that voltage only apply to when the card is in 3d mode? That is, will it still idle at the lower stock voltage for 2d?

I'm looking at grabbing a 5850 and giving it the volts necessary to get it to about 900/1200 or so to get 5870-like performance out of it. But if this were to damage the power efficiency of the cards while at idle, then that would hamper the value of performing the overclock.

Also, has anyone reached an early consensus on how well the 5850's OC in comparison to the 5870's? Are they able to handle as much voltage as their larger siblings? I was thinking that unless the power handling or stock cooler on the 5850 substantially hurt its potential, that the GPU should probably have the same average potential as the 5870 since AMD probably just turns any GPU that has issues with 1 or 2 of its sets of shaders into a 5850.

GLENBOY

10-03-2009, 11:10 AM

yes if you overvolt your card using asus smart doctor or msi afterburner the overvolt is in 2d and 3d and is still running at the volt unless you change it back using either of the above or you reboot the only way for powerplay to still be working normally is if the overvolt is applied in the bios which atm is not possible as rbe is not ready for that atm but its coming, althought some people are saying the 5850s and 5870s run at same stock volts in 3d after looking at loads of reviews i'm not so sure it seems the 5850s have a slightly lower stock volt i see 1.09 banded about and the the 5870s the volts banded about is 1.16 volt, so i think it'll overclock similar with an overvolt but might just not get just as much due to a bigger pcb on the 5870s and possibly a slightly more powerful cooling system but it'll get close imho

i think whats good with the 5850s is they have 32 rops same as 5870 whereas generally with cut down versions of cards the rops are reduced which really affects performance, but with 5850s they are the same and the disabled shaders imho won't make a big difference if the 5850 is running at same speeds as its big brother

YEH monstru let see some overvolted 100% fan action m8, thanks for posting the info we love it

Oese

10-03-2009, 11:32 AM

not true. its only in 3d. at least with msi afterburner..

GLENBOY

10-03-2009, 12:19 PM

i stand corrected if thats the case

Zinthar

10-03-2009, 12:27 PM

not true. its only in 3d. at least with msi afterburner..

Does MSI Afterburner function with any brand of 5850 or 5870? Or does it require a BIOS change?

Oese

10-03-2009, 12:27 PM

y i tested and i'm glad its only for 3d mode :)

really nice u can adjust the voltage with it, enable "apply oc after bootup" and it will save it in the driver settings and load again each boot without starting msi afterburner or some crap :)

works with any brand :)

dammit this card did everything right :banana:

Nizzen

10-03-2009, 01:32 PM

Overclocking is working in Vantage!

http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/58703dvantagestock.png
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp219/Nizzen/58703dvantage1000-1300.png

Oese

10-03-2009, 03:56 PM

if only someone could post sensors tab open D

on first tab theres no information else then if its 5870 or 5850 :)

jaredpace

10-03-2009, 04:00 PM

if only someone could post sensors tab open D

on first tab theres no information else then if its 5870 or 5850 :)

except for 1600 or 1440 SP ;)

Got some Info:

Originally posted by: MrK6
From my BIOS read-out I get 0.95V, 1.063V, and 1.162V. So, my guess is that's your 2D idle, 2D Perf, and 3D Perf respectively. There's a total of 7 clock info modes listed in the BIOS (as opposed to 9 in the 4870). Idle is 157/300, and there's 850/1200 for full speed. There's also three other modes listed - 600/900 @ 1.063V, 400/900 @ 1.063V, and 400/1200 @ 1.063V. If I had to take a stab at guessing which they are, just based on what I know of the card and what I've read, 600/900 is throttling, 400/900 (labeled UVD) is for playback, and 400/1200 is for dual displays.

I don't actually use my computer for any high-def playback (I watch a regular DVD maybe once every two months), so I really can't comment on it's performance. Game-wise, it's amazing. The drivers still need work as I don't think the card is getting as much performance as it should be, but that'll come. I "side-stepped" over from my GTX295, and I have to say there's a marked improvement in gameplay quality, especially with "smoothness" and flow. The overclocking capabilities of such a new chip are also impressive, especially considering the ease of software voltage modification. I'm still tinkering around with voltages and capabilties, but at 950MHz, this card is insane. I imagine better samples that can get to 1000MHz 24/7 with minor voltage adjustments will quite amazing.
The MSI Afterburner program works on all brands, that'd be my guess (a big kudos to MSI).
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2339251&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=2

Good news for the 5870
157/300 .95v idle
400/900 .95v/1.063 blu-ray, UVD
400/1200 1.063v 2d multi-display eyefinity
600/900 1.063v OVP/OCP initiate throttle
850/1200 1.162v 3d performance

And, loco just did 1200mhz core / 1250mhz mem on Tri-Fire using 1.375v thru afterburner (LN2 cooled). He says that > 1.375v doesn't give him any higher mhz, so he thinks that OCP must exist somewhere around 1.375v.

wekktor

10-03-2009, 05:37 PM

is it safe to use 1.375v for just benchmarks with low temp if I run it at stock otherwise ?

jeanjean15

10-03-2009, 11:25 PM

Overclocking is working in Vantage!

Nice job.

How did you succeed in going past 900 mhz for the gpu ?

Is your 5870 an asus model or did you flashed it with asus bios ?

Oese

10-03-2009, 11:53 PM

is it safe to use 1.375v for just benchmarks with low temp if I run it at stock otherwise ?

lets have a look at your temps to say so wekktor :)

Nizzen

10-04-2009, 12:07 AM

Nice job.

How did you succeed in going past 900 mhz for the gpu ?

Is your 5870 an asus model or did you flashed it with asus bios ?

I have the Asus model. Just installed msi afterburner and put the vgpu up a bit, and overclocked :)

Very easy :up:

CrimInalA

10-04-2009, 02:57 AM

come on everyone , post your results :cheer2:

Oese

10-04-2009, 04:50 AM

yeah, especially pwm (vrm, vddc phase 1-4) temps :)

wekktor

10-04-2009, 05:11 AM

I can try 960/1200 1.18v and report the max vrm temps. I can try Race driver GRID and Colin Mcrae Dirt. Do you think I should do it ?

Oese

10-04-2009, 05:20 AM

yes pls :))

wekktor

10-04-2009, 06:31 AM

ok

Now I have played the 2 games and the maxtemp was with 960/1200 1.1875v and 75% fan

VRM MAX temp 1 to 4
51
53
54
53

but that was actually in the menu in GRID, but when I race the maxtemp I saw was only 46c

Oese

10-04-2009, 06:36 AM

thats with stock cooler right?

well mine are a bit higher then with 1000/1300 @ 1,275v i reach around 75°C

but only passive heatsinks glued to them...

wekktor

10-04-2009, 08:03 AM

yes Im using stock cooler

jaredpace

10-04-2009, 08:25 AM

Someone with a 5870 and a 5850 can you please test the efficiency of the stock fansink:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5828/5870cooler1.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/5870cooler1.jpg/)http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6264/fullscreencapture102200.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/i/fullscreencapture102200.jpg/)

With 5850 and 5870 at same core speed, same fan speed, and same gpu core voltage, what are load core & vrm temperatures? How much better is the 5870's quad pipe fansink?

Oese

10-04-2009, 09:55 AM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/dsc02651byop.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc02651byop.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/5870oc3g1uo.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=5870oc3g1uo.jpg)

here again my gpu-only cooling solution :)

wekktor

10-04-2009, 10:30 AM

Nice!

is it going to be your 24/7 clock ? If I only get 55-58 on the gpu with 1.275v do you think it is ok for me to use it for 24/7 ?

Oese

10-04-2009, 11:20 AM

yes i think so...

atm i need 1,3v though in crysis otherwise it will set the clocks back to 900/1300 in intense situations...

could you test pwm temps with atitool? i'd like to know if my passive heatsinks are actually worse then stock heatsink at least for the pwm...

GLENBOY

10-04-2009, 12:29 PM

come on MONSTRU lets see some overvolted overclock action on the 5850, its been 14 hours :D :D, and we want pics :yepp:, you know computer guys have no patience,thanks mate

Oese

10-04-2009, 01:48 PM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/frumarkz0ih.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=frumarkz0ih.jpg)

burnmark^^

worst program i ever seen xD > 100°C vrm after 1 min xD

GLENBOY

10-04-2009, 01:52 PM

yeh nothing comes close to heating them up like furmark in reality

Oese

10-04-2009, 02:03 PM

hate this program xD

GLENBOY

10-04-2009, 02:06 PM

its good if you want to bork your cards, i saw a thread somewhere and the guy said i did 20 loops of furmark with card overvolted, then my card died, what he expect, i think its ok as long as you monitor the temps like you did in the above screenshots

jaredpace

10-04-2009, 02:10 PM

haha, need a VRM waterblock... lol

Oese

10-04-2009, 02:14 PM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/2minfurmarkn67g.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=2minfurmarkn67g.jpg)

2 min.. now thats enuff artificial stability for me xD

vrm waterblock would be nice for furmark indeed xD

for normal games i dont need, in crysis, the vrm's get only up to 75°C

whoever invented this tool wanted piss off the cards manufacturers xD

GLENBOY

10-04-2009, 02:23 PM

yeh thats some heat , when i had my 3 x 4890s in it would heat the whole room , no need for cental heating

Oese

10-04-2009, 02:39 PM

lolz :)

Oese

10-04-2009, 03:09 PM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/bench31zo.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=bench31zo.jpg)

crysis original 64bit dx10 very high 1680x1050 4xAA 16xAF MSAAA

never thought i'd get crysis that playable with this card^^

GLENBOY

10-04-2009, 03:27 PM

yeh crysis seems to fetch any card to its knees generally

nascasho

10-04-2009, 03:59 PM

I want a WHQL approved driver soon... :(

Dami3n

10-04-2009, 05:11 PM

B-Shot

10-04-2009, 05:46 PM

Does ATIFlash 3.75 work on vista 64? (says OS not supported) Or did i miss a work around? :confused:

jaredpace

10-04-2009, 05:52 PM

Little overclock review for a friends blog. Originally in spanish,http://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.pccomponentes.com%2Farticulo-radeon-hd5870-overclock-y-escalado%2F
I think is time to play with crossfire :yepp:

Great article, and good summary - I like how it compares all the averages. nice work! :up:
http://blog.pccomponentes.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/MEDIATOTAL1.jpg

Dami3n

10-04-2009, 06:39 PM

Thanks ;). I will make another one about crossfire scalability if i receive my second 5870 in time

eRazorzEDGE

10-04-2009, 09:00 PM

Saw the SS' from Oese and decided to see what it was like on mine. I thought his VRM temps were a tad high...

http://webpages.charter.net/darkdarkprincess/images/computer/screenshots/Furmark%20Burn%20Test.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/darkdarkprincess/images/computer/screenshots/Furmark%20Burn%20Test%202.jpg

I was wanting to put my MCW-60's on these cards, but after seeing how hot the VRM's get, I think I'll wait for a FC block.

Oese

10-04-2009, 11:32 PM

yeah the vrms actually get hot using those passive heatsinks..

thx for posting a comparison :))

Jamesrt2004

10-04-2009, 11:44 PM

Chickenfeed

10-04-2009, 11:50 PM

For what it is worth, my 4870x2 vrams would load much much higher (try 100-115C ; that was at stock and gaming, not furmark) than these 5870s ( hell you are at 1Ghz overvolted and still doing under 90C....) Assuming the vrams on these are of the same quality, I don't see what the big deal is.

I'm happy enough with the CCC limits ( yes I know that is crazy talk ) being the default thermals and noise are respectable for me ( compared to my X2 ) Who knows, I might break out my rad again down the road and have some fun though:p: I probably would get it a FC block though ( I know gpu only blocks result in lowest gpu temps but honestly its not like a few C higher on the core for the benefit of the rest of the pcb is going to matter ; only negative is the fact they aren't easily reusable )

Oese

10-05-2009, 12:06 AM

the card at the ek test is undervolted to 1.125v and on stock clocks, but whatever, very nice temps :)

Lightman

10-05-2009, 12:47 AM

the card at the ek test is undervolted to 1.125v and on stock clocks, but whatever, very nice temps :)

I'm not sure if you can say undervolted, because my card has 1.125V stock as well! This might be only a feature for Sapphire cards or newer batches are already better yelding and they lowered vGPU.

If you want lower power consumption try my BIOS from TPU (http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/56578/Sapphire.HD5870.1024.090914.html) and see for yourself :)

EDIT: This also can be a reason why some of the reviews are claiming that HD5870 is louder than HD4870 and others are saying opposite.

flopper

10-05-2009, 01:39 AM

Got my 5850.
His brand.
run 3d vantage at 850/900 15k.
cpu i7 4cores at 3.3ghz.

still need a updated bios (asus) for flashing the card.
using msi afterburner/amd gpu tool.

as far a nice upgrade.
Company of heroes.
1920x1200 dx10 all maxed even model detail 0xAA.
5850 725/900
58 min fps.
115 average fps
231 max fps.

4870 512mb 790/900 before same settings.
1920x1200 max all model detail 0xAA
37 min fps
78 average fps
149 max fps

The difference at 8XAA was around 50/40/50 more fps to the 5850 advantage.
At 0xAA overclocked 850 on core added the following increases fps (58 to 71 min fps) (115 to 127fps average) 231 to 254 max fps)
Same in everything else, a 125mhz increase.

Pleased :)

Astennu

10-05-2009, 01:48 AM

GLENBOY

10-05-2009, 02:51 AM

thanks for sharing flopper

Got my 5850.
His brand.
run 3d vantage at 850/900 15k.
cpu i7 4cores at 3.3ghz.

still need a updated bios (asus) for flashing the card.
using msi afterburner/amd gpu tool.

as far a nice upgrade.
Company of heroes.
1920x1200 dx10 all maxed even model detail 0xAA.
5850 725/900
58 min fps.
115 average fps
231 max fps.

4870 512mb 790/900 before same settings.
1920x1200 max all model detail 0xAA
37 min fps
78 average fps
149 max fps

The difference at 8XAA was around 50/40/50 more fps to the 5850 advantage.
At 0xAA overclocked 850 on core added the following increases fps (58 to 71 min fps) (115 to 127fps average) 231 to 254 max fps)
Same in everything else, a 125mhz increase.

Pleased :)

sentlon

10-05-2009, 04:20 AM

anyone can help me where can i download the Asus 5850 bios ?
thanks

flopper

10-05-2009, 05:42 AM

That min fps got a huge bump. To much increase for only 125 MHz that cant be right. If i'm not mistaking COH had the same engine as DOW II. I use DOW II for benshes i have seen the fps variate a lot. What i do is do 3-5 runs and add all min fps numbers and divide it by the number of runs. + if i see that the min fps is lower then normal i will redo that run.

yea, it will vary, not doing science here.
same conditions apply, same hardware, same settings, one run.
Wasnt interested in nitpicking exactly as this I just do for fun.
Dont like to benchmark ;)

Lightman

10-05-2009, 06:23 AM

Really nice HD5850 OC Flopper!

This is a card to buy if you want to save over $100! I must admit that I'm not even OCing my HD5870 for gaming at 1920x1200! I only oced my card for fun and few quick benches!
The only game which might need OC is Crysis, but I will play it again after finishing Heroes of Might and Magic V I'm playing now ...

Oese

10-05-2009, 06:58 AM

I'm not sure if you can say undervolted, because my card has 1.125V stock as well! This might be only a feature for Sapphire cards or newer batches are already better yelding and they lowered vGPU.

If you want lower power consumption try my BIOS from TPU (http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/56578/Sapphire.HD5870.1024.090914.html) and see for yourself :)

EDIT: This also can be a reason why some of the reviews are claiming that HD5870 is louder than HD4870 and others are saying opposite.

maybe^^

Robin BP

10-05-2009, 07:50 AM

From Beyond3d.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman View Post
Going back to card loudness I've noticed that some models are using 1.125V for GPU under load (like mine Shappire) and other are using 1.165V under load. This might explain quite big variations between different reviews in power consumption tests under load ...
Actually, it does the opposite! We scale the voltage based on leakage, so the higher leakage parts use lower voltage and the lower leakage parts use a higher voltage - what this is does narrow the entire TDP range of the product.

Dave Baumann
Actually, it does the opposite! We scale the voltage based on leakage, so the higher leakage parts use lower voltage and the lower leakage parts use a higher voltage - what this is does narrow the entire TDP range of the product.

Everything is qualified at worst case anyway; all the TDP calcs and the fan settings are completed on the wors case for the product range.

jaredpace

10-05-2009, 07:50 AM

I think 5870 Cypress XT's can require different 3D voltages to keep stability at 850mhz, and that this is why we're seeing stock volts anywhere from 1.1v to 1.17v for 5870s.

Lightman

10-05-2009, 08:02 AM

From Dave Baumann response I've got at Beyond3d it looks like overclockers should look for cards with 1.125V stock 3D because they will clock better albeit using more power, just like AMD Phenom II TWKR edition!

Gaul

10-05-2009, 08:07 AM

i can change fan ? always 1000 rpm/25 % ??

Chickenfeed

10-05-2009, 09:23 AM

I think 5870 Cypress XT's can require different 3D voltages to keep stability at 850mhz, and that this is why we're seeing stock volts anywhere from 1.1v to 1.17v for 5870s.

That would explain a lot.

I've actually had issues at 900 at stock volts in GTA ( hard lock ; funny thing is Crysis doesn't lol ) I am not sure how high I can get without upping the voltage but I am content with the card as is now all around so I won't press the matter anytime soon.

My XFX has a bios with 3d voltage of 1.1625 by the way. I might try manually lowering to see how low it scales at stock core clock out of curiosity.

Gaul

10-05-2009, 10:06 AM

900 / 1300 :down:

http://i34.tinypic.com/i58wee.jpg

jaredpace

10-05-2009, 10:07 AM

Yes, it's basically being confirmed by Dave, "We scale the voltage". Aka, "we bin the chips and assign 3D voltages accordingly". It's similar to VIDs - not like every Q6600 clocks the same on the same Vcore. Really, you want a 5870 that runs VERY cool while clocking upwards of 950-1000mhz on a stock 3D voltage of ~1.12-1.13v. You might have to sample 20 or 30 different boards until you find one like that! :p Heres to the guys that have a 3D volt of 1.125 in bios and can go above 950mhz with it.:toast:

900 / 1300 :down:

Dual core cpu without gpu Physx.. don't expect much from 3DV. :(
Nice GPU score though. :p

Got my 5850.
His brand.
...

At 0xAA overclocked 850 on core added the following increases fps (58 to 71 min fps) (115 to 127fps average) 231 to 254 max fps)

Flopper, what volts for 850mhz on your HIS 5850?

Dami3n

10-05-2009, 10:27 AM

My asus has 1,125v in 3D mode :cheer2:

Oese

10-05-2009, 10:34 AM

so i have bad card 1.164v stock

Chickenfeed

10-05-2009, 11:51 AM

I wouldn't say bad, it just needs more overvolting for higher clocks thus higher fan speed / better cooling. I can get 1ghz core but the voltage increase isn't worth the heat or noise ( performance doesn't justify it ) so I'm sticking with 900 tops. I still haven't tried reducing vcore for 850 to see if mine really does need 1.162 or not. XFX may have done them in batches or merely just decided to set all units this high for the sake of stability. Anyone with an XFX 5870 have a lower default 3D voltage than 1.162?

If anything between the 5850 having disabled shader clusters and them binning voltages, my guess is yields aren't that great. I'm really getting the feeling now that the X2 will more likely run slightly north of 5850 clocks due to both power and yield reasons( although still 1600sp)

And that is a nice score Gaul, you still got 100gpu score than me at same gpu clocks so that E8400 is holding up very nicely. Screw vantages cpu score, its a biased piece of crap.

Oese

10-05-2009, 11:57 AM

yeah think so too, it seems that some cards vendors just got all cards out at 1.162v, others maybe binned or idk...

dunno if 1.3v is too much overvoltage?

950@1.2v is my sweetspot, probably 900@1.125v i could try.. but 1ghz core is an achievement :) so i test it for long term stability now i decided :)

flopper

10-05-2009, 01:01 PM

Flopper, what volts for 850mhz on your HIS 5850?

running set 1.187
havent tested if I could go lower, just set it, and run benches, played bf2 all evening, but the game dont tax the card much heh

http://www.svensknlp.nu/databilder/850.PNG

well game time is over, lets see what the card can do then.
;)

GLENBOY

10-05-2009, 01:28 PM

well game time is over, lets see what the card can do then.
;)

now thats more like it you're lucky to have one so soon there are none anywhere and no results on hwbot, get a score up you'll be no.1 in the world with a 5850 on hwbot :)
http://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/radeon_hd_5850

also you want ht enabled for vantage thats why you cpu score is low, the cpu score should be well over 20000 if you are on an i7, with ht on i reckon thats about a 16.5k score

jaredpace

10-05-2009, 01:34 PM

just saw this post from zbogorgon. he's using an Ek full cover waterblock at 1120mhz / 1.36v. Is card is also default 850 / 1.125v. :O

http://www.shrani.si/t/d/13b/1qpNxENB/5870.jpg (http://www.shrani.si/?d/13b/1qpNxENB/5870.jpg)
http://www.shrani.si/t/1Z/P5/4UcYz7WV/5870-temp.jpg (http://www.shrani.si/?1Z/P5/4UcYz7WV/5870-temp.png)
http://www.shrani.si/t/3H/Mh/gvDwUlt/5870-van.jpg (http://www.shrani.si/?3H/Mh/gvDwUlt/5870-van.png)

Chickenfeed

10-05-2009, 02:05 PM

Pretty impressive but man that is some voltage. Water only territory indeed. 1.36 idle for 200x20 scares me though hehe. I'm assuming cpu is on water as well.

Looks like the EKs will do a fine job.

Crow-

10-05-2009, 02:07 PM

just saw this post from zbogorgon. he's using an Ek full cover waterblock at 1120mhz / 1.36v. Is card is also default 850 / 1.125v. :O

Great score :clap:

B-Shot

10-05-2009, 02:33 PM

Here is a run on a AMD platform w/XFX5870@900/1300@1.16v.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7293/screenshot011g.png
Havent had any heat issues or lock-up's during gaming.
Wish I got the ASUS instead, didnt feel like waiting lol.

Mech0z

10-05-2009, 03:24 PM

Is there any point in going asus if you can just flash any card afterwards? Do they have nicer 3d voltage? They are like 30$ more expensive in my country just wonder if those 30$ are well spent

B-Shot

10-05-2009, 04:47 PM

I guess not really MechOz, all the 5870's were the same price when i bought my XFX. I kept getting errors with Atiflash 3.75, but i try again later.

jaredpace

10-05-2009, 05:02 PM

I guess not really MechOz, all the 5870's were the same price when i bought my XFX. I kept getting errors with Atiflash 3.75, but i try again later.

try -fs as oese recommended

Gaul

10-05-2009, 05:02 PM

@ ALL = ANYONE has same trouble with me ?.....i can't use manual FAN SETTING , no matter on WIN 7 64 bit ( 8.66 RC6 ), even XP 32 bit ( cd installer )....

with 2 OS, i can push more than 20%, even i push to 100%, its still 20 %, cek THE RPM........THANX ALL

SEE cat say 100% but GPUZ shows only 950 rpm and STILL 20 % FAN SPEED...

http://i33.tinypic.com/bg4ry8.jpg

WELL IT IS DEFACT ???? 5870 ? or flash to ASUS BIOS will HELP ?? :shrug:

anyone plzzzz need advice here....

dnottis

10-05-2009, 05:03 PM

watercooled, 900/1300 now. was 900/1200 in the screenshot.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5820/img2415e.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9533/11042009102426am.jpg

Chickenfeed

10-05-2009, 08:37 PM

Here is a run on a AMD platform w/XFX5870@900/1300@1.16v.

Havent had any heat issues or lock-up's during gaming.
Wish I got the ASUS instead, didnt feel like waiting lol.

Are you able to do an extreme preset run? If not could you do a custom extreme run at your displays highest resolution? I want to see how processor bottlenecked the performance preset on these cards is.

I am curious as there is roughly a 5000 gpu score discrepancy between your Phenom II and my I7. That just seems like way too large of a gap to me :shrug:

Oese

10-05-2009, 10:37 PM

dnottis

10-05-2009, 10:58 PM

@ dnottis: nice!!

i just wonder why i get way higher frames, more power consumption and higher temps when using same settings... could you try renaming the .exe to see if its throttled?

http://www.abload.de/thumb/vergleichvdj6.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=vergleichvdj6.jpg)

Dunno, Im using the MSI beta 91.0 RC7 driver. I definitely dont have any framerate issues. Are you using AA in Furmark? I think I was using 4x.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5535/11052009105508am.jpg

flopper

10-05-2009, 11:44 PM

seems the card I use dont work with the afterburner properly, the voltage dont stick,
I belived I was upping the voltage but after the night and tiredness was cured with sleep,
I check the window on the msi hardware monitor and the voltage is 1.087 no matter what I try to adjust using msi afterburner.
(any ideas?)

so, the card does, 850mhz core on 1.087v.

Oese

10-06-2009, 12:37 AM

Dunno, Im using the MSI beta 91.0 RC7 driver. I definitely dont have any framerate issues. Are you using AA in Furmark? I think I was using 4x.

no i didnt use AA, so that might be the case...

Thank you, will test again for comparison when i come home :)

Monstru

10-06-2009, 03:09 AM

come on MONSTRU lets see some overvolted overclock action on the 5850, its been 14 hours :D :D, and we want pics :yepp:, you know computer guys have no patience,thanks mate

Jeus, you guys really are hard-core. i leave for a week-end and when I come back this thread is huge. :D

Working on 5850 review ATM, overclocking will have to wait for a little bit :)

Gaul

10-06-2009, 03:37 AM

Little OC @ 925/1250

http://i33.tinypic.com/245h4e0.jpg

Nice GPU score though. :p

THANX.......

Mech0z

10-06-2009, 04:12 AM

dnottis You havent tried higher gpu clock?

jaredpace

10-06-2009, 08:59 AM

Well Kingpin & Shamino just scored P52500 Vantage with a 6.2g i9 + 1300/1250 5870 quadfire. Their Extreme score was X33,000 LOL wtf

http://i.imagehost.org/0195/5278.jpg

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199

psyside

10-06-2009, 10:00 AM

OMFG!! does this prove that with i9 we will have alot higher fps/better scaling with more then 2x5870? :up:

GLENBOY

10-06-2009, 10:17 AM

now that frikkin awesome will have my 5850's tomorrow, luvvly jubbly

dnottis

10-06-2009, 10:24 AM

dnottis You havent tried higher gpu clock?

950 failed @ stock volts in Vantage. Havent played with voltage yet as Im not sure AfterBurner is really applying voltage. Dont really want to flash the card, its really fast in games right now and I had multiple 4870s die on me. I'm just enjoying gaming right now and the low temps. The PCB doesnt even get warm, VRMs either. This thing is running so cool. Maxed CCC 900/1300 for now, games are screaming!

zalbard

10-06-2009, 10:47 AM

OMFG!! does this prove that with i9 we will have alot higher fps/better scaling with more then 2x5870? :up:
Unless devs learn how to code games, nope...

GLENBOY

10-06-2009, 11:05 AM

flopper

10-06-2009, 11:29 AM

they put a new afterburner on yesterday it says the 5850 is supported
http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/download.htm

uisng afterburner solo, voltage apply works, with amd gpu tool, buggs out.

GLENBOY

10-06-2009, 11:47 AM

i wonder if its because of the ccc low max clocks , come on lets get an asustop bios or at least one with much higher ccc limits

flopper

10-06-2009, 11:51 AM

i wonder if its because of the ccc low max clocks , come on lets get an asustop bios or at least one with much higher ccc limits

I bet it is,
waitin for asus or someone elses unlocked 5850 bios ;)

Mech0z

10-06-2009, 12:22 PM

Seems so unfair that they are using I9 to break records before the cpu is released :S

Sh1tyMcGee

10-06-2009, 12:52 PM

Anyone know how much the i9 is going to be?

Theorw

10-06-2009, 01:09 PM

WOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
Really cant wait to get my 5850 and start the OC marathon for this thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But i have to wait for a week at least till it hits the selves here....
I ll put a MUSASHI on it so be ready for some serious clocks soon!!!!:D:D:D

flopper

10-06-2009, 01:24 PM

Seems so unfair that they are using I9 to break records before the cpu is released :S

there are some benefits for being xtreme ;)

beast200

10-06-2009, 02:36 PM

Hi

HIS5870 flashed with modified bios
Using msi Afterbunrner
Clocks
gpu 925
men 1250
V 1.29
3D mark Vantage 18133
water cooling next on vid card

GLENBOY

10-06-2009, 02:53 PM

thanks for posting up beast sounds a lot of volts for 925 core , really 1.29 is only really needed for 1000ish going off what other people have used,unless yours just needs higher volts as all these gpu's seem to vary, have your tried lower volts or a higher gpu clock

strange|ife

10-06-2009, 03:05 PM

im still waiting for a 5850 to come in stock at egg.

so let me get this straight, with afterburner you can change voltage via software?

interesting.

Gaul

10-06-2009, 03:18 PM

DEF BIOS

5870 @ 975/1250

http://i34.tinypic.com/2lsy0x4.jpg

Caped Crusader

10-06-2009, 03:30 PM

Anyone having problems with 2D voltages being upped to 1.6ish when using MSI Afterburner?

I had to uninstall the damn thing. Has to be a program bug.

This guy Jonny Manc has exactly the same problem: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=306019

:confused:

fornowagain

10-06-2009, 03:41 PM

Don't worry the card has overvoltage protection, you won't kill if it says its 1.6v, its not.

Caped Crusader

10-06-2009, 03:47 PM

Don't worry the card has overvoltage protection, you won't kill if it says its 1.6v, its not.

I hope you're sure about that, else I may have voided mine's warranty or something like that... the VRM temp was in the upper 70's :(

fornowagain

10-06-2009, 04:01 PM

There is, same as the 4870x2. Tried all I could to get that over 1.37 volts and it couldn't be done via software.

Maybe someone with a DMM and the back off the card will give the actual value, but its there.

Got some Info:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2339251&enterthread=y&STARTPAGE=2

Good news for the 5870
157/300 .95v idle
400/900 .95v/1.063 blu-ray, UVD
400/1200 1.063v 2d multi-display eyefinity
600/900 1.063v OVP/OCP initiate throttle
850/1200 1.162v 3d performance

And, loco just did 1200mhz core / 1250mhz mem on Tri-Fire using 1.375v thru afterburner (LN2 cooled). He says that > 1.375v doesn't give him any higher mhz, so he thinks that OCP must exist somewhere around 1.375v.

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2009/09/22/ati-radeon-hd-5800-series-graphics-cards-designed-by-the-community/

With the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series we’ve implemented a hardware-level overvolt protection scheme where a signal from the regulators can be fed into the GPU directly and the GPU can take action if the regulators indicate they are operating out of their specification. In the unlikely event that such a scenario happens, rather than the board turning off, the GPU is designed to clock down to get the regulators back into a normal operating zone and then clock back up when they have done so.

To(V)bo Co(V)bo

10-06-2009, 07:49 PM

Anyone else think that Ati might have initially deperfomanced the 5 series at launch on purpose to seemingly show lower performance numbers. Then after a month or two there will be some new driver that increases the performance 20-30% across the board. Maybe they did this to fool nvidia into thinking the cards are slower, and then bam gt300 killers in desquiese. I wouldnt be surprised, these things should be performing way faster considering no crossfire overhead. Or these drivers are very badly unoptimised.

mR Yellow

10-06-2009, 11:00 PM

Hi Guys

I've been following this thread for some time now.
My Sapphire 5870 arrived and i did some testing.

I ran the VANTAGE on performance setting.
GPU P11900 and CPU P12600. :(

Surely i should be getting higher than this? Thats the same score i got with my 4890??? Any ideas?

PC specs:
ASUS M3A78-T
PhenonII 940BE @ 3.6ghz
8gb DDR2 800mhz
850w Corsair PSU

I've made sure i don't have AA on...so i'm pretty stumped here with this low score. :shrug:

BTW I've ran a quick OC (GPU 900 and MEM 1250 def volts) with MSI afterburner and score stays relatively the same.

Monstru

10-06-2009, 11:23 PM

Oh boy, I finally managed to finish the article about HD 5850 (http://lab501.ro/placi-video/ati-radeon-hd-5850-micul-gigant). Now I need to go and relax a while untill I touch these cards again for some serious OC! :D

dan7777

10-06-2009, 11:41 PM

nice review LAB 501 . seems like from that review the gtx 295 is still leading apart from hawx bench. :)....http://lab501.ro/placi-video/ati-radeon-hd-5850-micul-gigant/6

Theorw

10-06-2009, 11:41 PM

Here is a question:In the msi afterburner i didnt see any vMEM increase option.
So i am guessing the vMEM will increase only by soldering???

Chickenfeed

10-06-2009, 11:44 PM

Hi Guys

I've been following this thread for some time now.
My Sapphire 5870 arrived and i did some testing.

I ran the VANTAGE on performance setting.
GPU P11900 and CPU P12600. :(

Run it at 1680x1050 at stock clocks at the Extreme preset ( or better yet run it on the default Extreme preset if you have the display for it ) I am curious as well as you are not the first person to get around 12000gpu on the P setting with a Phenom II. This should at least tell us if its being bottlenecked ( as 1280x1024 is still very cpu dependent and P mode doesn't use anti aliasing )

mR Yellow

10-06-2009, 11:46 PM

Run it at 1680x1050 at stock clocks at the Extreme preset ( or better yet run it on the default Extreme preset if you have the display for it ) I am curious as well as you are not the first person to get around 12000gpu on the P setting with a Phenom II. This should at least tell us if its being bottlenecked ( as 1280x1024 is still very cpu dependent and P mode doesn't use anti aliasing )

I get GPU 6xxx in vantage extreme.

dan7777

10-06-2009, 11:53 PM

I get GPU 6xxx in vantage extreme. this is what you should be getting...http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=811221 around 8xxx maybe bottleneck ???

mR Yellow

10-06-2009, 11:58 PM

this is what you should be getting...http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=811221 around 8xxx

Yes, does extreme setting eliminate CPU bottle neck? I can't see the guys system specs for an apples to apples comparison.

Oese

10-07-2009, 12:13 AM

test if u are using pciw 2.0 16x

besides that, i experienced serious slower figures with pcie link aspm (some power saving) enabled in bios. and you should enable catalyst AI..

mR Yellow

10-07-2009, 12:33 AM

test if u are using pciw 2.0 16x

besides that, i experienced serious slower figures with pcie link aspm (some power saving) enabled in bios. and you should enable catalyst AI..

I've checked PCI-E speed using GPUZ and it is running x16.

I will have a look at bios setting when i get home from work.

Monstru

10-07-2009, 12:37 AM

nice review LAB 501 . seems like from that review the gtx 295 is still leading apart from hawx bench. :)....http://lab501.ro/placi-video/ati-radeon-hd-5850-micul-gigant/6

Thank you Dan. Yes, in terms of absolute performance for one card, the GTX295 still has the edge. The HD 5870 offers a ton of advantages though (single GPU, low power consumption, lower noise level, lower temps, lower price, etc), beeing a very elegant high-end solution. And HD 5850...I don't even have to say it. I think it's more bang for the buck as the HD 4850 was at it's time :)

zalbard

10-07-2009, 01:06 AM

Did anyone bother changing TIM on their 5870? Is there any point?

Monstru

10-07-2009, 01:28 AM

I don't think you will gain much from that, gone are the times when videocards would come with white goo betwen the GPU and the heatsink.

Dennet

10-07-2009, 01:46 AM

Did anyone bother changing TIM on their 5870? Is there any point?

I took my 5850 apart last night to check the memory modules. I also changed the standard thermalgrease for Arctic Silver 5. It lowered my temps after 5 minutes of Furmark from 73 degrees Celcius to 71 on stock clocks.

I guess it's up to you if you think it's worth the trouble.

zalbard

10-07-2009, 02:03 AM

I took my 5850 apart last night to check the memory modules. I also changed the standard thermalgrease for Arctic Silver 5. It lowered my temps after 5 minutes of Furmark from 73 degrees Celcius to 71 on stock clocks.

I guess it's up to you if you think it's worth the trouble.
Looks it then! :shocked:
MX2 or MX3 could probably gain 1C more.

Astennu

10-07-2009, 02:45 AM

That would be nice.... But it also shows the stock paste is not bad at all.

I recently switched to MX-3. Its the best i found so far. MX-2 is also good. After that i would use AS5.

NanoBullet

10-07-2009, 03:31 AM

Funky

10-07-2009, 05:57 AM

Got the XFX 5870 past 1Ghz.

Stock cooling. Just changed the thermal paste by MX2 (didnt really do anything for me, no change in temps ).

Orb : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1474328

Asus bios.

http://www.techenclave.com/imagehosting/3304acc3abbee09d.jpg

pr@$r1g

10-07-2009, 06:14 AM

hey shripad i have seen ur review man it was just awesome man ,i cant resist that

having fun with ur xfxhd5870 :D

great job !!!

Stoner@Large

10-07-2009, 09:09 AM

this has been asked before but not answered, is there an asus 5850 bios floating around out there and if so does it have higher ccc limits?

AAbenson

10-07-2009, 10:07 AM

jaredpace

10-07-2009, 10:15 AM

And, Shripad, what voltage did you need for that?

GLENBOY

10-07-2009, 10:43 AM

no asustop bios yet for 5850 but here is my standard powercolor 5850 bios if anybody wants to have a peek at it in rbe etc, 3d volts are 1.087
http://www.gbwatches.com/Cypress.bin

Stoner@Large

10-07-2009, 11:41 AM

i tried to add the clock limit signature from the asus 5870 to the 5850 but it doesnt work. the signature save or read isnt functioning properly with these newer cards yet.

Kylzer

10-07-2009, 11:42 AM

I know the voltage needed for 1000/1250 but i dunno want to chance flashing case mess my card :(

Gaul

10-07-2009, 11:45 AM

And, Shripad, what voltage did you need for that?

same questions......

dnottis

10-07-2009, 12:03 PM

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9563/1107200914506pm.jpg

Shark-357

10-07-2009, 12:44 PM

Anbody getting degraded performance using 2x 5870 ???

I have two Gigybyte 5870 1GB the rest of my system is:

Gulftown @ stock
Asus Rampage II Extreme Bios 0077
3GB of cruical ram
Corsair HX1000W (tested also with Infinity 720W)
Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit

With one card i get a score of 19xxx in Vantage, but after i install the second card i only get 18K in vantage and 82K in 3DMark03...wth....
Im trying to resolve the problem for the past two days with no luck, i also tried drivers from CD, Ati site and 9.10 beta...?

Both cards run fine when not in CF.

Anybody else got any clue to what to try more?

destr0yer

10-07-2009, 01:04 PM

zalbard

10-07-2009, 01:15 PM

Anybody else got any clue to what to try more?
Try waiting.
Seriously, current drivers are USELESS for Crossfire. Not much you can do about that...
Hopefully the official release's soon.

Nizzen

10-07-2009, 01:35 PM

Try waiting.
Seriously, current drivers are USELESS for Crossfire. Not much you can do about that...
Hopefully the official release's soon.

They are not usless. Crossfire with 2x Asus 5870 works flawless for me. ;)

Tested, Crysis, Crysis warhead, NFS Shift, Operation Flashpoint (new), Fallout , and some other games + all the futuremark "games" :D

Overclocking with crossfire is no good for me then Can not get 1000mhz on core with crossfire on air. 1 card i get 1030mhz easy.

GLENBOY

10-07-2009, 03:18 PM

f*&% me sideways these 5800 series cards are powerful this is a single 5850 running at default voltys which on the 5850 is only 1.087 volts, wheras on 5870 its generally 1.16,running 820 core 1200 mem at 4600mhz ish on i7,

http://www.gbwatches.com/pics/5850first.jpg

dnottis

10-07-2009, 03:58 PM

GLENBOY

10-07-2009, 04:02 PM

t think yours is a good one then most 5870's run at 1.16 at 850 in 3d , the lower votage ones are the better so yours is a decent one

dnottis

10-07-2009, 04:15 PM

t think yours is a good one then most 5870's run at 1.16 at 850 in 3d , the lower votage ones are the better so yours is a decent one

ah, I actually had to bump mine to 1.16v to get stability @ 1Ghz ;)

Funky

10-07-2009, 06:19 PM

And, Shripad, what voltage did you need for that?

1000Mhz is stable at 1.25v. For 1015, needed 1.27.

About temperatures....
I dont plan to keep the card anywhere close to this :P
So this was done just for benching purpose. Temps were under 70 with fan speed of 63%.

Idle : I didnt check, will be trying to go more today or tomorrow, will report back.

Jakethesnake011

10-07-2009, 06:40 PM

Funky

10-07-2009, 06:59 PM

Are you guys using a modded BIOS or the ASUS Bios for the other card to get past the 900 mhz core clock and the 1300mhz memor clock limtis. I have tried to use MSI afterburner and it will not let me overclock past 900 and 1300, I have also tried the AMD GPU clock tool and it has been sucking for me, anything over 900 crashes even with a good voltage increase. I see some using ATI's overdrive and having much higher clock limits something like 1300 core and 1500 memory, can anyone enlighten me on how to do such.

I had to flash to ASUS bios.
AMD GPU clock tool did nothing for me.

Flashed asus bios and card has been flying ever since. It didnt even need voltage bump till 940Mhz, but I had same experience as you before I flashed. AMD GPU clock utility will crash when i set the card at anything over 900/1300.

Rattle

10-07-2009, 07:32 PM

where can i get this asus bios

Sgt.McRuff

10-07-2009, 08:08 PM

where can i get this asus bios

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/56695/Asus.HD5870.1024.090915.html

Gaul

10-07-2009, 08:09 PM

mine v.1225 for 975/1250 with original HIS BIOS

http://i38.tinypic.com/34dqslk.jpg

Stoner@Large

10-07-2009, 08:34 PM

msi afterburner isnt working for me, I set the clocks and they automatically got back to what they are in CCC. Any clue what im doing wrong?

dnottis

10-07-2009, 09:01 PM

msi afterburner isnt working for me, I set the clocks and they automatically got back to what they are in CCC. Any clue what im doing wrong?

You have to flash to the Asus bios first to remove the overclock caps.

billdavis

10-07-2009, 09:09 PM

mR Yellow

10-07-2009, 11:27 PM

I have a ASUS 5870 and Powercolor 5870, but crossfirex fails.

if start something put load on the VGA's, the system reboot and get this error:

HyperTransport Sync Flood Error

how to fix it

system is:

Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 3400
ASUS M4A79T dlx -
2x 2048 Gskill Trident 2000
Corsair TX850

Hi Destroyer, what score do u get with one card?

I did some more testing last night with the card and i'me seriously thinking that my Vantage score is low due to CPU bottleneck. I thought PII 940 @ 3.6 would be enough. :(

I've tried everything...that i could think if at least.

My GPU performance score is 12100 in vantage.

Lightman

10-08-2009, 12:26 AM

I know i'm not in the best place for asking this but LIGHTMAN could you do me the favor and tell me what's your GPU Score in 3DMark Vantage performance with the 5870 stock clocks?

I would truly appreciate it.

Sure no problem!

I know some people are having low Vantage scores on their systems.
I was investigating this together with AussieFX but so far we don't know much.

Anyway here are my scores:

Phenom II @965 speeds (3400MHz) HD5870 default
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1454977

3DMark Score P13764 3DMarks
CPU Score 11128
Graphics Score 14944

A bit OCed Phenom II @3840MHz and HD5870 900/1300
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1440530

3DMark Score P15254 3DMarks
CPU Score 12736
Graphics Score 16331

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 12:34 AM

Sure no problem!

I know some people are having low Vantage scores on their systems.
I was investigating this together with AussieFX but so far we don't know much.

Anyway here are my scores:

Phenom II @965 speeds (3400MHz) HD5870 default
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1454977

3DMark Score P13764 3DMarks
CPU Score 11128
Graphics Score 14944

A bit OCed Phenom II @3840MHz and HD5870 900/1300
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1440530

3DMark Score P15254 3DMarks
CPU Score 12736
Graphics Score 16331

So my score is below par then (PII 940 @ 3.6 with DDR2 800mhz. The 965 is an AM3 right? So u will be running DDR3? Do u think that would make a 2000 point difference in Vantage?

Shark-357

10-08-2009, 12:36 AM

last night me and jcool were toying with 2 cards, crosfire gave us no problems but we didnt see much gain at all...waiting for new drivers i asume

Damn, we intend to bench with LN2 this saturday, but the way things are going now its gonna be a waste of LN2....

The weird thing is i sometimes get weird artefacts in Vantage when running CF.

Today i will try with bios 1504 for RIIE with bloomfield... if that doesnt work i dunno... the only thing i can do is to flash both cards with Asus BIOS if that will maybe resolve the problem :shrug:

Oese

10-08-2009, 12:47 AM

So my score is below par then (PII 940 @ 3.6 with DDR2 800mhz. The 965 is an AM3 right? So u will be running DDR3? Do u think that would make a 2000 point difference in Vantage?

I get around P15000 as well with pII 955 3,7ghz, 2,4ghz NB and 1600 7-6-6-20 ram, 5870 @ 1000/1300...

with 950/1300 and unoptimized drivers (mipmap high quality, 8xAA edge detect, AAA and 16xAF on, though i think Vantage doesnt realize these settings) i get

3DMark Score P14149 3DMarks
CPU Score 12708
Graphics Score 14705

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 12:55 AM

I get around P15000 as well with pII 955 3,7ghz, 2,4ghz NB and 1600 7-6-6-20 ram, 5870 @ 1000/1300...

with 950/1300 and unoptimized drivers (mipmap high quality, 8xAA edge detect, AAA and 16xAF on, though i think Vantage doesnt realize these settings) i get

3DMark Score P14149 3DMarks
CPU Score 12708
Graphics Score 14705

Also AM3 which has better mem bandwidth.
Anyone here with a PII 940?

Oese

10-08-2009, 01:11 AM

hehe OT but today i will get EK supreme cooler for the cpu and a mora radiator, will see how high i can bench the cpu then :)

Dennet

10-08-2009, 01:53 AM

Also AM3 which has better mem bandwidth.
Anyone here with a PII 940?

You definately should be getting a better score. I'm running a PII 955@3800 on an AM2+ board(GA-MA790X-UD3P) with DDR2@1066 and I get the following score on an 5850 running 835/1080:

Total: P14445
GPU: 14979
CPU: 13049

Jamesrt2004

10-08-2009, 02:11 AM

hehe OT but today i will get EK supreme cooler for the cpu and a mora radiator, will see how high i can bench the cpu then :)

mora = bigger then my monitor :ROTF:

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 02:20 AM

You definately should be getting a better score. I'm running a PII 955@3800 on an AM2+ board(GA-MA790X-UD3P) with DDR2@1066 and I get the following score on an 5850 running 835/1080:

Total: P14445
GPU: 14979
CPU: 13049

I'm running Windows 7 x64 (rtm).
Which OS are u using?

My CPU score is 12x00 which seems about right.

Dennet

10-08-2009, 02:27 AM

I'm running Windows 7 x64 (rtm).
Which OS are u using?

My CPU score is 12x00 which seems about right.

Same OS as you are with the 8.66RC6 drivers from the AMD website.

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 02:34 AM

Same OS as you are with the 8.66RC6 drivers from the AMD website.

Man, now i'm stumped. I think i'll uninstall Vantage and reinstall it.
Maybe a setting in my bios with PCI-E needs to be changed.

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 03:30 AM

Do u guys think it's worth it to upgrade to this mem? I'm currently running vanilla DDR2 800 which is impossible to OC.

http://www.corsair.com/_datasheets/TWIN2X4096-8500C5DF.pdf

Corsair TWIN2X4096-8500C5D/CMD4GX2M2A1066C5 , Dominator , with DHX technology , Nvidia SLi certrified with EPP , designed for nForce 590/680 SLi , 2 x 2G/2048mb kit , ddr2-1066 ( pc2-8500 ) , CL5 , 2.1v , with heatsink - 240pin - lifetime warranty

Jamesrt2004

10-08-2009, 03:37 AM

imo not worth it, save up and get a good ddr3 board + ddr3 ram seeming it'll last longer buddy, don't think it would make that big of a difference to warrant the cost

have you tried just reinstalling your os, sometimes i do that time to time cos my perfrmance can sometimes just DIE for no reason,

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 03:46 AM

NanoBullet

10-08-2009, 04:06 AM

Sure no problem!

I know some people are having low Vantage scores on their systems.
I was investigating this together with AussieFX but so far we don't know much.

Anyway here are my scores:

Phenom II @965 speeds (3400MHz) HD5870 default
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1454977

3DMark Score P13764 3DMarks
CPU Score 11128
Graphics Score 14944

A bit OCed Phenom II @3840MHz and HD5870 900/1300
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=1440530

3DMark Score P15254 3DMarks
CPU Score 12736
Graphics Score 16331

Thanks Mate. I'm still waiting for my 5870, but now i know that if i get a low score in vantage is due to my AMD Phenom 940 System.

Oese

10-08-2009, 04:22 AM

<- win7 x64 rtm as well...

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 04:25 AM

Maybe the mem controller on the AM3 is much better than the 940. :shrug:
Another guy on TPU is having the same issue with similar specs.

Oese

10-08-2009, 05:39 AM

mR Yellow

10-08-2009, 05:53 AM

http://www.abload.de/thumb/vantage5870rqnx.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=vantage5870rqnx.jpg) http://www.abload.de/thumb/3dm065870isxq.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=3dm065870isxq.jpg)

Nice score but i the 955 is an AM3 CPU with the new controller.
I need someone with the AM2+ 940 to compare.

NanoBullet

10-08-2009, 06:46 AM

as soon as i get it i will post results so you can compare them!

Stoner@Large

10-08-2009, 07:22 AM

You have to flash to the Asus bios first to remove the overclock caps.

kinsa tuff when there isnt a Higher limit bios for the 5850 yet, MSI said there gonna realse one. they released one for the 5870 the other day that gives it ax core of 1800 and 2600 on mem
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=306272

Lightman

10-08-2009, 09:31 AM

Also AM3 which has better mem bandwidth.
Anyone here with a PII 940?

Just look at my sig. or read System Info in my links ;)

Now I know that common theme for low score guys is Windows 7 x64...

Shark-357

10-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Damn, we intend to bench with LN2 this saturday, but the way things are going now its gonna be a waste of LN2....

The weird thing is i sometimes get weird artefacts in Vantage when running CF.

Today i will try with bios 1504 for RIIE with bloomfield... if that doesnt work i dunno... the only thing i can do is to flash both cards with Asus BIOS if that will maybe resolve the problem :shrug:

Well i tried:

-1504 bios for RIIE + i7 920
-Install Vista Ultimate 32-bit and Windows 7
-flash cards with asus bios
-changed CF bridge
-changed psu
-tried all availble drivers
-tried a few ram modules (corsair, cruical, take MS)

And its still the same crap... artefacts and decreased performance when running Crossfire...

:banana::banana::banana::banana:ing unbelivable, after spending 700€ on this POS....:shoot:

Jamesrt2004

10-08-2009, 12:50 PM

is it overheating or is it just du to the fact there isnt actually a good driver yet?...

wait for 9.10 :)