Im Mad!!!

[jmg823]

I looked at the ORB and searched for systems that match my videocard and are the same or lower in processor speed.
And guess what? Im really far down! And i dont understad why.
I beat everyone in my search in Car Chase(low & high) and in Lobby(low & high) and in Dragothic I lose to everyone. why is this? and then they have a better score than me too.

[Soulburner]

Like I said before, Win2kPro + DX8.1 + 41.09 will do the trick...

[Geforce4ti4200]

you need to overclock your video card for higher dragothic scores. also 3k is not easy on a geforce2mx, had mine to 210/205 I think for just over 3k points. also there were tons of bugged scores in the geforce2 days. some guys are getting 5k on a geforce2mx which is impossible, I dont get that much on a geforce2 ti at 440 ram!

[pik-ard v1.1]

yea, you have really old drivers on there... thats your first problem... get some better drivers, and that will give you an instant boost. ;)

[jmg823]

my question is still unanswered

why am i beating everyone in car chase and lobby but losing to everyone in drag?

[Geforce4ti4200]

I already answered, read above post sir.

[jmg823]

that tells me nothing if other people were beating me in this would they be beating me in the others too?

[Dajo]

get win2kpro and DX8,1 and then try it

[pik-ard v1.1]

car chace and lobby scores are more dependent on the cpu and ram then the video card. so obviously, your 750mhz is somehow better then alot of other peoples 750mhz. different multipliers, different architectures... whatever it may be, your cpu is stronger.

the dragothic scores are more dependant on the video card then cpu, and ram. most of the other people have their mx440 overclocked a bit faster, and have better drivers.

theres your answer.

like i've told you in two threads now, update your video card drivers, that will give you an instant boost in your scores.

[Mitz]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
guys are getting 5k on a geforce2mx which is impossible, I dont get that much on a geforce2 ti at 440 ram!

is not impossible i think, i get 4K with stock cooling and not extreme OC on my system.. if i mod my card + better cooling on CPU & GPU maybe 5K is not just a dream for me.. :D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7097641

[jmg823]

Originally posted by Dajo
get win2kpro and DX8,1 and then try it

in my search i also put in my same os

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Mitz
is not impossible i think, i get 4K with stock cooling and not extreme OC on my system.. if i mod my card + better cooling on CPU & GPU maybe 5K is not just a dream for me.. :D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7097641

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6883367

how is your geforce2mx beating my geforce2 ti at 250/440 clocks in dragothic?


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6614988

I had a 3k score on that but I musta forgot to upload it. anyway my computer is faster and those mx400 clocks arent much slower than yours but look! does your mx400 have ddr ram? it has to!

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by jmg823
my question is still unanswered

why am i beating everyone in car chase and lobby but losing to everyone in drag?
Higher system speed and lower video speed.

[jmg823]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Higher system speed and lower video speed.

My search was gf4mx440,win98,athlon700-752

and the 700's were beating me in drag but i was winning in the other two

[MrIcee]

Your car and lobby scores are bandwidth dependant, and the reason you are bettering them is simply: you develop more bandwidth.

Dragon and Nature tests are card dependent, the higher the Mhz clock on the card, the better those scores.

My friends here are very right about the choice of Operating systems, I've been preaching the gospel on this since OPP switched me a couple years ago. Win2000, SP2, DX8.1 and my favorite and highest scoring drivers, the 40.72 Dets. (Tho I had better luck w/ 42.01's with my P4 rig)

Put better cooling on the card and give it another try with the above OS upgrades, you'll be suprised at the results:)

Randi:D

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by jmg823
My search was gf4mx440,win98,athlon700-752

and the 700's were beating me in drag but i was winning in the other two
Yes I know...

Lobby High & Low are system speed tests

Dragothic is system and video. That means your system is faster, but your video is slower.

[jmg823]

Originally posted by Soulburner
Yes I know...

Lobby High & Low are system speed tests

Dragothic is system and video. That means your system is faster, but your video is slower.

by how much cause some of these guys have 700's that hit 3500 with an gf4mx440 and my clocks are decent not first place material but they should do better than this compared to others

[levitate]

er.. i get like 7k with a gf4mx440 and a p4 2.4

i know this isnt really helpful or anything but your problem seems to be solved.. just clock your card some more :)

ps. is my score any good?

[Soulburner]

Driver drivers drivers.....you need those to speed up your video :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

anyone know how he can break 4k on a geforce2mx? that thing beats my geforce2 ti in drag!!!!!!!!

[Mitz]

my MX400 use SDR..

the answer is easy : do you do a little tricky like playing LOD BIAS ?? :D :D

IMHO and also DX8.1 scoring better than DX9 in geforce2 cards too..

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
anyone know how he can break 4k on a geforce2mx? that thing beats my geforce2 ti in drag!!!!!!!!

Uhm I had a score of 3259 with a normal gf2 mx (not a 400) and that with a 2.66B (not oced) and my card little oced.

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by Mitz
my MX400 use SDR..

the answer is easy : do you do a little tricky like playing LOD BIAS ?? :D :D

IMHO and also DX8.1 scoring better than DX9 in geforce2 cards too..


yes, I played with that in rivatuner and it gained me like 150 marks but how do you explain over 1000?

[lalPOOO]

Geforce4ti4200, I've been "studying" the geforce2mx400's for quite a while now. The way the people are getting 5k is with fast videocard memory. And if you look at the clock on the memory, compared to stock, it shouldn't come as quite a surprise. Also, hitting 3k with a geforce2mx is NOT hard, I imagine it could be done with a 1.4ghz p4, and somewhat of an overclock on the geforce. And just to offer a bit of proof behind what I'm saying, observe this.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7193517

(if anyone is wondering why i don't put xtremesystems in the name, its because I don't want to embarrass you guys :D )

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by lalPOOO
And just to offer a bit of proof behind what I'm saying, observe this.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7193517

(if anyone is wondering why i don't put xtremesystems in the name, its because I don't want to embarrass you guys :D )
project id invalid. ;)

[lalPOOO]

Thats cause I del'ed it, and updated with a new one :D

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7290644

I did some "extreme air cooling" and messed around. I did get 4381, but i forgot to post it before re running tests. So 5k+ is possible, especcialy with the memory clocks they're running. I do have one more trick up my sleeve with this current system, which I'll try at a later date.

[pik-ard v1.1]

whats that? running your system at 12x290 instead of 12x269? ;)

very nice clocks on that geforce2 though. ;)

it feels so good beating someone with 3.2ghz of power though. ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

I understand its about the memory, but is a geforce2mx at 220 ram really faster in dragothic to a geforce2 ti at 440 memory? mines exactly twice the memory bandwith as you but you beat me in drag still! I have to wonder if the ram on yours is ddr or if every geforce2 I ever had was messed up. my geforce2mx is at 205/205 and I hardly broke 3k......


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6883367

[lalPOOO]

Nah, at 290, its actually slower because the slack timings on the ram. (I can do more then 290, but for some reason the board won't make it into windows past 299)

Geforce, if I'm horribly off, I don't mean to offend. Perhaps you are not tweaking/optimizing your settings. I'm almost positive the ram on my card is sd, which explains why it won't clock as high as most peoples. 205/205 doesn't really touch 275/221, the difference being probably around 800 points at least. Thats why you're not breaking 3k. I'm not sure what else it could be that makes my score so much highr then yours other then a lack of tweaking on your part :P

(I'm going to go from some higher scores tonight I think, hopefully this time i'll get myself at least on the second page...)

[Geforce4ti4200]

I did tweak, I even used rivatuner to play with the lod bias to make things blurry. also nevermind the mx for now, please see above the link for my geforce2 ti with ddr ram which you beat with your geforce2mx in drag!

[lalPOOO]

Drag is fairly dependant on the system. Even with stock clocks on the videocard I can get just over 4k, because the cpu and memory are fairly powerful. I see you've "upgraded" the score a bit, to 46**. I think with higher videocard clocks, you shouldn't have a problem reaching at least 5k.

[Geforce4ti4200]

dude I am telling you this is not on a geforce2mx!!!!!!!! its a geforce2 ti thats giving me just under 4700!!!!!!!!!!! and I beat your geforce2mx in car and lobby which means my cpu is faster than yours but your mx beats my ti in drag? what gives!!!!!!! :mad:

[lalPOOO]

woah... I just checked with my newest score. (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7297997)
I'm REALLY smoking you in drag high detail now. I'm not really sure if this is the reason, but it could be my ram bandwidth, because I am running 269mhz fsb 1:1, or it could be that although your card has ddr, its timings aren't as good as the timings on the sd ram on my card. Just guesses though.

[Geforce4ti4200]

so your trying to say sdr with fast timings can outperform ddr at slow timings? and my fsb is 190 with ram in sync. dude, the cpu matters very little for such old cards, I gained like 200 marks from 166fsb to 190. and I have a geforce2mx that gives just over 3k with its ram at 205, how can 20MHz more on the ram give it 50% higher score? are you sure its not bugged? any artifacts? Id like to get to the bottom of why every geforce2 I ever had sucked balls in 3dmark. even my geforce4 mx420 at 333/366 clocks using 64 bit ddr ram which is less than half the bandwith of my 250/440 128 bit ddr geforce2 ti is getting 5300 to my 4700! what score should a geforce2 ti at 440 ram really get?

[lalPOOO]

0 artifacts, I know its not bugged, because its essentially same over and over again, even on a completly different hardrive. And you took the ram timings thing the wrong way, I was refeering to the videocard ram, not your system ram.

The ram being 25 mhz higher DOES make a large difference, for me thats probably about 350 points or more. Not only that, is your core at 282?
This discussion should seriously end, because I honestly don't know the answers to some of your questions, and you won't seem to accept the answers that I do give. When it comes down to it, its pretty simple, you either A, havn't tweaked enough, or B, havn't got high enough clocks, or C, you've stumbled upon the liar of crappy graphics cards and a goblin jumps at you.

I don't know what more you want from me, I can give you pictures of my setup, or give you more tips, but I can't really explain why your scores aren't great.

[Geforce4ti4200]

ah thanks for trying to help. yes I tried ocing core on geforce2mx but it didnt really help in anything, not even games. Back then I used to tell people not to waste their time overclocking the core. kinda ironic now since modern cards benefit much more from a core oc. as for video ram timings, like I said, could the ram timings on yours be soooooooo fast that it beats a geforce2 ti with ddr at sad timings?

[lalPOOO]

No, the ram timings probably couldn't, but I don't really know ;)

Yea, ocing the core does result in minimal gains, but I've found that it does help, 200mhz vs 260mhz on the core is a fair amount of the difference between 45fps average in ut2k3, and 70fps average in ut2k3. So its worth it to me.

Oh, just out of curiosity, if/when you raise the motherboards agp voltage, does your card go bonkers? After reading that raising it a bit can often help stablize an oc, I tried it, and the card just went nuts on me, just curious if that happens to everyone or just me...

[Soulburner]

Mine doesn't like it. Nature tears like crazy with 1.7v.

[pik-ard v1.1]

the power of ram....

12.5 x 111 = 1388; ram :pc144: 6916
12.0 x 113 = 1356: ram: pc146: 6968

two more mhz on the ram, but 32 less mhz overall, and a 52 point drop... thats how important ram is.
and, the lower score had higher VC clocks... in short, tonight for me, was not successfull... ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

thats so close to 7k :D your pc133 ram is killing performance, get some ddr ram

[Soulburner]

The test can vary by that many points from run to run.

[pik-ard v1.1]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
thats so close to 7k :D your pc133 ram is killing performance, get some ddr ram
hm... i have no money, but x-mas is soon... hm... :D ive asked everyone for money, so i might go and buy some pc3200 sticks(so i can use them if i upgrade later, as ill stick with AMD anways, dont need pc3700 for AMD).

anyways, i think i can break 7k with this pc133. it can make as high as pc151 stable. cant test higher, caus my cpu cant go that high.:rolleyes:

[pik-ard v1.1]

oh, and how much of a 3dmark2k1 boost would i see from 768mb sdram to 512mb ddr ram?

EDIT: also, i would be running the ram at like 292mhz max, the ram timings could be tighter then a virgins *ahem* :D