Who's waiting for the GT300?

[Carfax]

Anyone here going to wait for the GT300, or are you going to buy the HD 5870 instead? Or maybe even both like I plan on doing, if the HD 5870 is reasonably priced?

I'm sure the GT300 is going to be faster than the HD 5870 (http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15535/34/), but by how much, is anyone's guess.. I just hope it comes out before Christmas. :yepp:

With the release of the HD 4800 series, I found a new respect for ATI that I never had before, which made me buy one of their cards for the first time ever! (I still have my HD 4870 1GB). They are a worthy competitor to Nvidia, and I hope it stays that way..

But I've always had a strong preference for Nvidia, and I doubt I'll ever change as long as Nvidia keeps making big, fast, single core chips..

Heck, I'm still seeing general performance increases on my GTX 285 from driver updates, almost 1.5 years after the release of the GT200 series :D

Try the 191xx drivers, they rock :up:

[rjkoneill]

i think i will see how it pans out

should get to play with a 5870 tomorrow

but i think i am going to get my monies worth out of my 4890s before i upgrade

im hoping for the 8800GTX MKII :D

[bigKr33]

I'm waiting for now, but if I don't hear any info in the next month or so I may change my mind.

[Asylum1]

Its best to wait it out for a while and see how they perform before you jump into buying 1.

[Redsand426]

I'll wait for the benchmarks and pricing before I decide between gt300 and hd5800

[bigKr33]

Yeah I know, but at that level of performance its not gonna be a rediculious difference in frames. I plan on getting the successor of the gtx295 if I go the nvidia route. Its been so long since my last build that the last rig I had was 939 based, 7800gtx FTW! I haven't pc gamed since mid 06, oh wait let me reframe that... crysis demo:yepp:

[Mr. K6]

I already sold my GTX295 and am getting a 5870. I don't see the GT300 being much faster (if at all), and it will probably use more power. If I'm wrong, I can still sell the 5870 and pick up the GT300 at little loss :).

[Nintendork]

Waiting for HD5670 (if it consume less than my HD4770). Nvidia had it hard this time.

[Wiggy McShades]

I'm loving my gtx260's so ill be waiting for what ever the highest end gt300 is and then get a second when ever there is a price cut.

[Romir]

I sold my 285 OCX's and picked up two 8800 GTX's for $150 so I think I can hold out for a bit.

[elpibe10]

Buying both for my 2 gaming rigs

[Chumbucket843]

I already sold my GTX295 and am getting a 5870. I don't see the GT300 being much faster (if at all), and it will probably use more power. If I'm wrong, I can still sell the 5870 and pick up the GT300 at little loss :).
nvidia cards are more efficient.

I'm loving my gtx260's so ill be waiting for what ever the highest end gt300 is and then get a second when ever there is a price cut.

i will probably get a gtx 360 too.:D

[Jowy Atreides]

I want both for the sake of it.

Maybe set up the weaker one in a pcsx2/dolphin emulator station under my tv with a 360 wireless pc dogle for me and my bro to play some modern warfare 2 on.

I love pc gaming <3

[labs23]

I can wait for GT300 til Q1 2010, more choices for a DX11 card would be better.

[ottoyu34]

I would love to see how the performance of each , then I will do a final verdict.

as I always aim for money well spent, rather than wasted.

[apt403]

My allegience pretty much goes to whoever offers the best performance for the price, but part of that performance has to do with folding, so unless F@H or ATI gets on a client that offers some kind of decent PPD for the amount of potential ATI cards have, my dollar goes to Nvidia.

And I like the color green more than red...

[Computurd]

I am waiting for larabee...

[cegras]

nvidia cards are more efficient.


i will probably get a gtx 360 too.:D

No they aren't. What did you base your efficiency conclusions on? FPS per mm^2 or FPS per power? Because on both metrics, they lose if you normalize by price.

[grishenko45]

I've just got a GTX285 and I'm messing around trying to find a max stable OC! I'm defo gonna hold out for at least another year! I've just built a new rig 1 month ago - I knew there was gonna be the GT300's and 58xx series but I wasn't bothered as I wanted a GTX285! It's still gonna be good to see the benchmark results!!! Can't wait!

[RPGWiZaRD]

No options for "none"? :p: I'm gonna wait for the refresh of either of those series, I can't afford and neither do I have a need for upgrading when every new series arrive. I prefer getting the 2nd wave of the new gen series most of the time, as price/performance and overclocking etc is usually a bit better. Paid only 170 EUR for a lightly used GTX 260 in april and it serves me more than well at the low res I'm gaming at. ^^

Will GT300 even arrive this year is the question though, I think maybe a few cards will at pimped up prices but stock picks up in January. If you're really in a need of a new card I don't see why you should skip HD 58xx series though because the price/performance/power consumption ratio is amazingly good for today's cards. These will be wonderful cards no doubt. Especially the HD 5850 looks to have some really nice performance/price ratio if $199 is what it's targeted at as it beats GTX 285 easily and 285 costs like 329 - $359. :)

If I'd be forced to have a guess I'd say GT300 won't offer that much of a significant peformance advantage over 58xx series for it to be worth the huge extra cost because HD 58xx looks to be that successful. We'd need another 79xx series -> 8xxx series boost from nvidia for it to really be worth it IMO.

[Tat3]

I'm waiting for it, but going to wait for reviews and perhaps second gen cards before upgrading. It all depends how well my 2*GTX285's can run upcoming games.

[moiraesfate]

Everything depends on price, and how well it runs.

[TMWH]

yeah, price and how it runs vs the 5870x2

[zalbard]

Haha, check poll results, more ATI users on Nvidia forums it seems. :D

[perkam]

Haha, check poll results, more ATI users on Nvidia forums it seems. :DNot quite.

A lot GT 200 owners who want a quick upgrade will be going GTX 2xx -> HD 5xxx -> GT300

Most people who buy new hardware every 6 months or so.

Perkam

[Chumbucket843]

No they aren't. What did you base your efficiency conclusions on? FPS per mm^2 or FPS per power? Because on both metrics, they lose if you normalize by price.

do this section a favor and stay out.

AMD's shaders are superscalar and consequentially inefficient. they sacrifice efficiency for computational density. they are focusing on ILP too hard.

[Mr. K6]

do this section a favor and stay out.

AMD's shaders are superscalar and consequentially inefficient. they sacrifice efficiency for computational density. they are focusing on ILP too hard.
The last two ATI cards I've owned (4870 and 4350) were much more energy efficient than their comparable NVIDIA counterpart. If NVIDIA's design is more efficient, it certainly doesn't show.

Haha, check poll results, more ATI users on Nvidia forums it seems. :DI don't know if it's brand preference so much as there doesn't seem to be any reason to wait for NVIDIA. For me, I could care which company I buy from (last 4 cards were HD4350, GTX295, HD4870, and 8800GTS (g92)), but right now I have a solid upgrade in the form of the 5870 while NVIDIA has shown/leaked nothing about their new series. What's to tempt me not to upgrade just yet? And who says how long the wait for the NVIDIA parts will be?

[adamsleath]

5xxx probably a great buy once nv300's are available. :D
thinking more and more ill get a 5850 to tide me over.

[cegras]

do this section a favor and stay out.

AMD's shaders are superscalar and consequentially inefficient. they sacrifice efficiency for computational density. they are focusing on ILP too hard.

Whatever happens in the core is a black box. The metric that everyone uses is performance per watt or performance per mm^2 of the chip. You're spreading fallacious statements that have no grounding except in fantastical terms of 'theoretical efficiency.'

Why do you care how the architecture is implemented if the end result is better than a competitor?

[Chumbucket843]

Whatever happens in the core is a black box. The metric that everyone uses is performance per watt or performance per mm^2 of the chip. You're spreading fallacious statements that have no grounding except in fantastical terms of 'theoretical efficiency.'

Why do you care how the architecture is implemented if the end result is better than a competitor?

what happens in the core is right here. (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2008/09/02/ati-radeon-4850-4870-architecture-review/8) every measurement uses theoretical numbers, even the ones you use. their architecture is a hit or miss when it comes to performance in most cases. a good real world example of the deficiency is folding@home. there are 800 cores. only one kind can handle trigonometric functions. this means only 20% of the gpu is used. ATi does win in performance per mm2 but it prevents the chip from clocking higher and the bus size bottlenecks performance, even with gddr5. (320 to 800 cores only doubles performance:confused:)if you want to have a good debate over efficiency why dont you quit being so immature.

[LordEC911]

what happens in the core is right here. (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2008/09/02/ati-radeon-4850-4870-architecture-review/8) every measurement uses theoretical numbers, even the ones you use. their architecture is a hit or miss when it comes to performance in most cases. a good real world example of the deficiency is folding@home. there are 800 cores. only one kind can handle trigonometric functions. this means only 20% of the gpu is used. ATi does win in performance per mm2 but it prevents the chip from clocking higher and the bus size bottlenecks performance, even with gddr5. (320 to 800 cores only doubles performance:confused:)if you want to have a good debate over efficiency why dont you quit being so immature.
LoL... F@H isn't the best example since they cannot "waste" their time to code for ATi cards.
Also, when did we start using "cores" as the name for the ALUs? That is very misleading...

Please, explain why ATi's marchitecture is so inefficient and maybe give some examples of what they can do to improve it. Maybe a comparison to Nvidia's current architecture found in G200?

[Chumbucket843]

LoL... F@H isn't the best example since they cannot "waste" their time to code for ATi cards.
Also, when did we start using "cores" as the name for the ALUs? That is very misleading...

Please, explain why ATi's marchitecture is so inefficient and maybe give some examples of what they can do to improve it. Maybe a comparison to Nvidia's current architecture found in G200?

folding@home is a good example of fft's. only one kind of alu can handle them. if they are writing bad code for ATi then how could nvidia be much better...

VLIW has problem keeping the thread processors fed if instructions are very dependent. if they are not it can be very efficient. look at crysis and stalker on a 5870 relative to a 285.

[Sparky]

Where's the option "No I'll probably skip this generation" :p:

[railmeat]

I am waiting for larabee...

+1 definatly

[Otis11]

I am waiting for larabee...

Yeah, I'm really intersted in what Intel is doing... They just hired off our top Graphics prof. here (along with a couple others), so they've got something planned. :up:

I'll probably still go with the 300 if it's within reason for a poor college student. :shakes:

[INFRNL]

I want one, anyone know what pricing will be?

[BobyTT]

From what i saw. I am waiting for GT300....

5870 is not worth upgrade from my 4870X2

[grishenko45]

The reality is that all modern GPU's (48** series and GTX2** series) can handle all games at normal resolutions (16*10 and 19*12) with all setting on max with exception of max AA on crysis and warhead - i think it was on this forum - someone said "companies should put more time and effort into developing better software than designing hardware that is too fast for current software" - which i think is pretty true - we all see performance increases with new forceware/catalyst drivers - I know DX11 is why these new GPUs are comeing out - but is there a current game that is DX10 only? NOPE! So for computing to advance to the point where all games are DX10 only let alone DX11 only will take years! yes games will have DX11 support but will still be playable in DX10. I think they should let software catch up with the speed of our current hardware before they bring out technology that not even its older version has become mainstream!

[Otis11]

But what happens in the future when the hardware side hits a wall or has some delay in sending the design into production? Then you're going to have to stall software again until hardware can catch up? It also takes time to get out better drivers that make the cards run more effectively...

Wth that in mind, I don't see your logic? If you believe it's ahead of it's time, great, wait and buy the card when you need it, but there are some hardware guys here that really want to be on the cutting edge. (and then there's always the DC projects that never have enough power...:p:)

[Otis11]

Ati/Nividia playing nice together (http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/lucid-hydra-multi-gpu-technology-bears-fruit-could-bring-peace/)?

I know it's not the companies choice, but still could hold promise. Any thoughts?

[zshadow]

Waiting for GT300 here. I like ATI and all b ut the 5870 seriously did not impressive me performance-wise. Only worth getting if you want Eyefinity, DX11, or are still on a 8800GT IMO.

[izallica]

Still waiting (antiati)

[gatecrasherlok]

I'll be getting the gt300 series when its out. will probably get a 5870 to tide me over for the moment though :)

[Carfax]

It's funny that right after ATI released the HD 5870, the amount of people waiting on the GT300 in the poll increased dramatically :D

It's nearly even now..

[thijs]

Perhaps i've missed out on to much, but how can you wait for the GT300 series when, for as far as i know, no details what so ever are given? same with the ATI, expectancy is high, for some people it's a minor bummer now, but now the expectancy for the GT300 is raised once more. ofcourse you can prefer Nvidia over AMD/ATI, but who says it'll smash the HD58xx series?

[Jamesrt2004]

ill wait even if its just for ati price drop.



Waiting for GT300 here. I like ATI and all b ut the 5870 seriously did not impressive me performance-wise. Only worth getting if you want Eyefinity, DX11, or are still on a 8800GT IMO.


what did you expect :/... jeesus some people you just can't please. its a 50% increase in performance and less then a 50% increase in price, works out well in my books

[H2O]

I want one, anyone know what pricing will be?

Early reports say very expensive, as the die size is supposedly huge (can't find exact figures, but they say it is bigger than the GT200).

But ATi have a winner with the HD5870 at the $399 price point. If Nvidia can't hit that mark with the GTX360, then they will probably have problems selling them. I just hope they learned from their experience last year.

[Martijn]

I'll just get myself another GTX280 as soon as prices dropped enough. 2 of them are plenty for 1920x1200.

[NaMcO]

I am waiting to see what's a "GT300". Would never buy a card with the launch of another so close. Besides that, i don't even know if i really need a new one, so best thing is to wait and see.

[Helloworld_98]

on your poll there should be a 'waiting for larrabee' option

although ATM I'm going to wait for the GT300, see how good it is and how much it costs vs a 5850 X2 and then later on I'll get larrabee and use that for raytraced games and GPGPU work.

[AN00BIS]

Oh well, i am still hanging on with my 9800 GTX, if it goes :explode2: this year, i'll upgrade to HD5870. If it survives the coming 4 months, i might upgrade to GT300. 3Billion Transistors offer a lot of potential, but that one won't be cheap for sure.(depends on yields though) I expect GT300 (to be available) in January.

To me, I.Q. is more important than raw FPS power. ATI showed good results this time. They're really tempting. Haven't seen anything from NV yet.they better hurry.:hm: or they'll get :owned: before they can bring out the big guns.

[Xoulz]

Not quite.

A lot GT 200 owners who want a quick upgrade will be going GTX 2xx -> HD 5xxx -> GT300

Most people who buy new hardware every 6 months or so.

Perkam

You're assuming that the GT300 is faster..!

[Chumbucket843]

You're assuming that the GT300 is faster..!

i think that would be obvious. its just a matter of efficiency and price.

[GTSRboy]

im going to go with two GTX275's...$160-$185 used and itll end up being pretty much as fast as GT300 SLI...not worth the extra $400 for a pair of GT300 or the extra $150 for a pair of 285's

[Otis11]

im going to go with two GTX275's...$160-$185 used and itll end up being pretty much as fast as GT300 SLI...not worth the extra $400 for a pair of GT300 or the extra $150 for a pair of 285's

What? 2x275 pretty much as fast as 2x300? That's news to me...

And it looks like these will be beasts for DC apps... although probably overkill for just about everything else.

[Chumbucket843]

What? 2x275 pretty much as fast as 2x300? That's news to me...

And it looks like these will be beasts for DC apps... although probably overkill for just about everything else.

cant wait to see crunching numbers. bet you 16k a day in f@h. these things should do wonders for science.

[GTSRboy]

Well there is no game that cant be run on two 275's, itll be years before thats not enough to run games at max settings. I just see no reason to upgrade to GT300, what application requires something MORE than two GTX275's? if you want to fold more, buy 4 275's instead of 2 GT300's

[Anemic]

Well there is no game that cant be run on two 275's, itll be years before thats not enough to run games at max settings. I just see no reason to upgrade to GT300, what application requires something MORE than two GTX275's? if you want to fold more, buy 4 275's instead of 2 GT300's

Exactly! Not having problems with any games I see no real reason to upgrade to a GT300. I'm really happy with my GTX 260 SLI setup but it would be nice to be able to have the same performance with one card. Ohwell, we will have to see how the GT300 will perform. Might just be a pice of crap, who knows? =)

[DavyBoy]

I will be waiting for the GT300's to be released before I decide which card I will purchase next..

Though, on 2 occasions I have been extremely tempted to go and order a 5870, but I have managed to resist it thankfully!!

I've always had a preference for nvidia cards, right back since the Geforce 2's.

[Levesque]

No. I won't buy the GT300 (GF100). I don't see how it would be able to ''beat'' the upcoming ATI 5870X2 that I'm planning to buy for gaming at 2560X1600. :) And even if it does ''beat'' it, I will be enjoying the 5870X2 for months before the card from NVidia comes out...

[Otis11]

http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_architecture.html

http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/fermi_white_papers/NVIDIAFermiArchitectureWhitepaper.pdf


Just some literature on the matter - I don't see 4 275s competing with 2 300s personally, the only way i think that might be better is if it's a comparison between 4 275s and 1 300 because of price (which could very well happen...) and then i'd bet on the 275s...

i guess we can sit here all day and speculate, but we won't know till it's actually out, so I'm not going either way till i see the specs!

[iTravis]

Good luck playing Crysis @2560x1600 with 2xGTX 275, even HD5870 CF struggle at that res. And since when you can run 4xGTX 275? :confused: As far as I know there's only the GTX 285 Classified can allow you to run 4xSLI on the 4xSLI Classified board.

[Chumbucket843]

Good luck playing Crysis @2560x1600 with 2xGTX 275, even HD5870 CF struggle at that res. And since when you can run 4xGTX 275? :confused: As far as I know there's only the GTX 285 Classified can allow you to run 4xSLI on the 4xSLI Classified board.

they are talking about folding. still i would recommend buying 2 g300 over 4 gtx275's because you would save money on your power bill.

[GTSRboy]

Four OCed GTX275's (two on two PC's, alot of people have multiple rigs) will give you 40k PPD, no way two GT300's will be near that. For gaming, (unless your trying to run Crysis @ 2500px) two 285's or 275's is totally sufficient. I bought the 285 when it came out, and if i could go back i wish i had not splurged on the newest and fastest card and gotten the best bang for the buck instead....ill get a GT300 when the GT400 is out

[Chumbucket843]

Four OCed GTX275's (two on two PC's, alot of people have multiple rigs) will give you 40k PPD, no way two GT300's will be near that. For gaming, (unless your trying to run Crysis @ 2500px) two 285's or 275's is totally sufficient. I bought the 285 when it came out, and if i could go back i wish i had not splurged on the newest and fastest card and gotten the best bang for the buck instead....ill get a GT300 when the GT400 is out

folding@home will probably optimize for g300. the cache should help a lot. i bet you 2 gtx380's will get pretty close to that.

[Lightning98]

I'm waiting for a GT300 quadro for work, specially looking forward to shifting all my CFD work in the GPU's so the latest articles of the Fermi architecture are making me very happy :)
That's should cut down my power draw by about 300% :D

But for gaming, i'm sticking with my 4870, untill i see how the mainstream GT300 chip performs, and well since it will be some competition the prices of both that and 5870 will go down... and the drivers will "mature" a bit... not to mention there are no particularly good games coming out in the next 3-4 months that deserve and investment in a new graphic card...

[Andrew LB]

I don't plan on buying either card. I'm happy with my GTX285 but if prices drop enough, I may grab a second one.

I tend to stay away from products that are "a brand new architecture" until the first refresh comes out because I'd rather avoid any bugs or unforseen issues.

[stevecs]

Even though I have been partial to Nvidia over the years, unless they can counter ATI's Eyefinity (or have 3+ 30" monitors running as a single desktop) they've lost a sale regardless how fast their new cards are. ATI pulled a rabbit out of it's hat again.

[nebj00la]

Anyone here going to wait for the GT300, or are you going to buy the HD 5870 instead?

Sadly, I'm leaving nvidia this round. I've been bitten by multiple RMA's and buzzing cards since the 8800 series :(

[alcachofa]

I do wait for GT300 because i enjoy 3D Vision. If ATI GPUs were compatible, then i would probably have a HD 5850 CrossFire atm.

[Dezmen]

Damn there was no new about Fermi for a 2 weeks :( I hope there soon there will be at least any info :( But already saw Tesla gpu's in work O_o Its small xD On its side 295 looking huge

[drizzt5]

It's funny that right after ATI released the HD 5870, the amount of people waiting on the GT300 in the poll increased dramatically :D

It's nearly even now..

Well, I am waiting for it to see it's performance and then to see a price drop from ATI.

[Dezmen]

Here is Nvidia Tesla "presintation" in Poland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTxZV9ykvek

[shaolin95]

I do wait for GT300 because i enjoy 3D Vision. If ATI GPUs were compatible, then i would probably have a HD 5850 CrossFire atm.

I am on the same boat.
3D Vision is just stunning guys...it changes the way you play games SO MUCH that it's not even funny. I have not play more in the last 4 months combined that I have in the 2 weeks since I got 3D Vision.
With that said, I am waiting for GT300...my 295 is more than enough right now plus :up:

[Blkout]

I am on the same boat.
3D Vision is just stunning guys...it changes the way you play games SO MUCH that it's not even funny. I have not play more in the last 4 months combined that I have in the 2 weeks since I got 3D Vision.
With that said, I am waiting for GT300...my 295 is more than enough right now plus :up:

I've read more than my fair share of reviews about 3D Vision and all of the complaints that it only works properly in a VERY small number of games, all other games have some sort of compromised quality. I thought long and hard before getting rid of my GTX 285 for my two 5850's, but I know I made the right choice now.

[highoctane]

I have plenty of time to wait and see since I don't feel the overwhelming "need" to upgrade this time around.

[Choklate]

i will buy gt300-if it kills 5870

[hadyn5]

I am waiting for the GT300. Granted that the 5870/5850 are good cards but I am still recovering from nightmares of ATI drivers when I had the 3870.

[SteveLord]

Interested for sure. But more interested in games that would actually push it.

[Frag Maniac]

I've been waiting for the GT300 for some time, I'm not about to stop now, especially after having poor experiences with ATI's older gen cards for the last 5 yrs, including them dropping driver support for my current GPU recently.

[Bodkin]

Sigh, I have nearly had it with NV. The only reason I am staying with them right now is the 3D display I invested in, and tbh apart from batman its pants. So close to pulling trigger on the first of what will be 2 5870s... Come on NV I have had bad times with ATI before but I just cant wait.. Someone give me strength:P