Mario Galaxy HD screenshots

[saaya]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16546261&postcount=773

WAU! :eek: :slobber:
its obviously done with dolphin (pc gamecube/wii emulator) and not the wii itself... but this shows how much the wii is actually held back by its crappy graphics... if only it had at least an xbox1 gpu... :(

so do you guys think there will ever be a wii with upgraded graphics?
the rumored wii HD?

EDIT: its a shame that its illegal to play wii games in propper resolution on your pc...
lots of potential business there nintendo... :shrug:

[570091D]

i'm sure nintendo are researching/toying with the idea, but i doubt they want to raise the price of the console with xbox prices so low.

[Smartidiot89]

I read yesterday the coming Smartbooks (Yeah, Qualcomm+ARM loving) will have better graphics then a Nintendo Wii :eek:

[YukonTrooper]

It looks pretty 2005.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Nintendo has always had it right on gameplay -

What I want to see is a Wii HD with a Metroid Prime remake as its release title (New full HD graphics on a new engine, same amazing game with amazing art!) I would buy the console just for that :yepp:

[Knight203]

The biggest problem is the market the Wii is aimed at doesn't really care about how bad the graphics are. Until that changes I don't think they will do much.

[nafets]

Yeah, there's no way Nintendo would cannibalize their current Wii console, with a "newer and improved" Wii HD. People are still snatching it up the Wii in droves. Maybe when it dies down and the revenue stream withers away, Big N will plop another console on the market...

[Loque]

damn people just won't let mario die... lamest character ever.

[Beefy22]

damn people just won't let mario die... lamest character ever.

No, you're the lamest character ever... Now Imma gonna jump ona your heada and make a musharooma popa outa your arsa. JK :p:

Wii HD sounds good, who knows I would probably consider buying one just for nostalgia's sake(the current Wii just wasn't enough by itself).

[zalbard]

damn people just won't let mario die... lamest character ever.
Mario games are just targeted at a group of people you're not part of, probably.

[JohnZS]

Well... Nintendo are making money hand over fist, it would be nice if they did produce a Wii2 or something which was a more powerful version of the Wii, yet stuck to the same basic concepts of Gameplay and immersion being the highest priority but with say an XBox360 GPU or even a newer GPU as well as BluRay capability. Just an idea...
IMHO Nintendo could take the step of immersion further than the interaction of the Wii remote or the Wii balance board by also having Stereoscopic Hi-Def Graphics...
John

[orangekiwii]

Nintendos next legitimate console (not a Wii spinoff) must have good graphics imo... otherwise it will fail... if they have crap graphics again... I feel their sales will really decline just b/c they will look so bad on HD tvs which a massive portion of the population has

I really hope they make a MASSIVE graphics step... nintendo games in HD would be totally awesome as they're already some of the best gameplay wise... why can't they be graphics wise as well

[ToTTenTranz]

I read yesterday the coming Smartbooks (Yeah, Qualcomm+ARM loving) will have better graphics then a Nintendo Wii :eek:

ION+Atom should already do leaps around Wii.
A Multi-core Cortex A9 paired with a quad-core PowerVR SGX 543MP4 (the one rumoured to be in PSP2) should also be a lot faster than the Wii.


However, we all know by now that it's all about the content.

[Splave]

nintendo's next console will have to be hd, put 1080p on the box and f' everyone will buy it just like they do with tvs because if its 1080p its gotta be teh Hax

[ToTTenTranz]

nintendo's next console will have to be hd, put 1080p on the box and f' everyone will buy it just like they do with tvs because if its 1080p its gotta be teh Hax

Nintendo's next console will have to sport HDMI, that's a fact.
They can't go analog again, as much as technologically backwards nintendo likes to be nowadays.

I'm not so sure about doing 1080p, though.

[Xello]

so do you guys think there will ever be a wii with upgraded graphics?
the rumored wii HD?

This is inevitable, if i was a betting man i'd have some money down on the HD equipped Wii being released in the next two years. Nintendo's biggest weakness right now from a business standpoint is being left out of the loop when developers are working on multi platform titles. If you know how far ahead Wii is of 360 and ps3 in terms of sales right now, imagine how many more sales it would have if generic multi platform titles that are taken for granted on 360 and ps3 were also on the Wii. This will be the 'counter' to MS's Natal and, to a lesser degree, whatever motion sensing gizmo Sony was brandishing about @ E3.

It's looking like a no-brainer that these technilogical upgrades we will see in the next year or two are going to take the place of the traditional new generation, i wouldn't expect to even hear about new consoles until 2013 or later.

[Manicdan]

as more and more people get HD tvs, the Wii is starting to show its age. even if they are selling like mad, if Nintendo built one that can run 1080p (nothing close to the 360/ps3 in graphics needed, just the resolution and not so horrible textures) we would probably see games on all 3 consoles close enough to each other, but notice which ones would sell out on the Wii due to their controler, vs those sold out on the consoles for their graphics. it really was a shame they didnt up the chip in the Wii when they built it, but i be its also suppose to have a shelf life much shorter than either of its competitors, plus they make money on every console sold, which was a killer bonus the other companies have been wishing for.

[i found nemo]

all it needs is a 3850!!

[Chrono Detector]

Those graphics look a bit pixelated to me.

[clayton]

nintendo's next console will have to be hd, put 1080p on the box and f' everyone will buy it just like they do with tvs because if its 1080p its gotta be teh Hax

Cartoon games in HD!!

[Kallenator]

Those graphics look a bit pixelated to me.

Second this.

Considering the simpleness of the textures, it could really do with some AA and AF to smooth it out. ;)

[orangekiwii]

I want nintendo do go with super graphics next time around... enough to rival the next xbox... that way not only will nintendo suck in "1337" gamers they will also have the quality to go with it... its a win win... (don't talk to me about price... the wii was originally supposed to be sub 150 and now its like 250 standard... so price isn't an issue)

[saaya]

The biggest problem is the market the Wii is aimed at doesn't really care about how bad the graphics are. Until that changes I don't think they will do much.thats not true... i know a bunch of wii owners and after a few weeks to months many get tired of the lame graphics...
graphics dont matter that much, its true, but the wii graphics are REALLY sucky... too sucky... if the graphics would be half decent id have bought a wii...

[ToTTenTranz]

thats not true... i know a bunch of wii owners and after a few weeks to months many get tired of the lame graphics...
graphics dont matter that much, its true, but the wii graphics are REALLY sucky... too sucky... if the graphics would be half decent id have bought a wii...

Agreed. I'm one of those people.


Playing mario party and mario kart with friends is still ok.
But it's a bit frustrating to come from playing Fallout 3 in my PC to play something like Red Steel in my Wii.

It's like watching a good and recent Fantasy movie filled with special effects like Lord of The Rings in a 15" CRT TV. The content is still great but you always feel you're only getting half of the experience.



I think there's a "frustration" bubble growing inside each Wii owner, and there's the danger of all of them blowing at the same time -> specially if Nintendo keeps this "we don't need HD" crap for their next console.

[Xello]

specially if Nintendo keeps this "we don't need HD" crap for their next console.

That's a no-brainer for them, it would be suicidal for them not to include HD in either a revision or new console. Back when this generation was being developed HD was new and high-end, and they were distancing themselves from the 360 and ps3 in their high-end tech, HD just happened to be a part of that at the time. Now, and especially in the next few years, what we now call High Def will in fact become Standard Def (i'm talking in perception, no doubt we will still call it HD) with the whole world settling into it as a standard - not just video games but the film and TV industries also. This time SD will be basically dead - they're not going to go with a dead format :up: This time they also have a little more funding to put out a high-end beast comparable to the competition.

I agree that there is a bubble growing inside certain Wii owners, but i would not go so far as to say "each", in fact it's probably a microscopic percentage of Wii owners. Not me personally though, i'll buy a Nintendo console for something like Mario Galaxy alone, of course i'd love for them to have more third party games that appeal to me but i'm not frustrated by the fact that they don't.

Also:


Sci-Fi movie like Lord of The Rings

o_O

[orangekiwii]

I'm sorry but Lord of the Rings is NOT a SyFy movie...

My favorite movies do NOT dis them -.-

[ToTTenTranz]

o_O


I'm sorry but Lord of the Rings is NOT a SyFy movie...

My favorite movies do NOT dis them -.-

Sorry, my bad.
I initially wrote Transformers 2 but then I though "wait.. without HD and surround sound, Transformers 2 would be a crappy movie".



Edited and corrected.

[saaya]

However, we all know by now that it's all about the content.

mhhh mostly, but not only... look at those hd shots again... on wii this game is... ok... seeing it in hd is really WOW... if it would look like that on the wii id have bought the console immidiatly...

i know a few people who have a wii and its fun to play with it, but... the trrible graphics and washed out textures keep kicking you out of the fun... at least thats how i feel...

[Knight203]

thats not true... i know a bunch of wii owners and after a few weeks to months many get tired of the lame graphics...
graphics dont matter that much, its true, but the wii graphics are REALLY sucky... too sucky... if the graphics would be half decent id have bought a wii...

Yeah but dear old granny and the 8 year olds that go nuts over the wii don't care. Really people who do care are the minority, not the majority.

[Chevelle]

Those graphics look a bit pixelated to me.

I definitely agree also.

[GAR]

Mario needs to go back to side scroller.

[takamishanoku]

I think those screens look great, expect the next wii to upscale older wii games methinks ;)

The Wii is proof that games these days have become anything but fun. It's literally beating the crap out of the other consoles in sales despite graphics being way behind. This speaks volumes about the fact that ppl will sacrifice graphics before they sacrifice gameplay. Nintendo still make the most fun games to play (Mario Galaxy is one incredible game) and therefore people will want to play their games regardless. I can't think of a game i want to play on the ps3 or xbox but i can on the wii (not many thou).

[algorhythm]

Mario needs to go back to side scroller.

It is: Check it outa (http://wii.ign.com/objects/143/14354229.html).

I'm a happy Wii owner (Unlike with Xbox 360 and PS3 games, there simply is no substitute for Zelda, Mario, Metroid, or Super Smash Bros. on PC). I do think that a WiiHD is all but inevitable and will be highly anticipated.

[ToTTenTranz]

I think those screens look great, expect the next wii to upscale older wii games methinks ;)

I honestly hope not. Backwards compatibility is the of the main reasons for the Wii being so weak.

[takamishanoku]

I honestly hope not. Backwards compatibility is the of the main reasons for the Wii being so weak.

True but they could do it via software emulation.

[The0men]

Yeah, there's no way Nintendo would cannibalize their current Wii console, with a "newer and improved" Wii HD. People are still snatching it up the Wii in droves. Maybe when it dies down and the revenue stream withers away, Big N will plop another console on the market...

Well they did just do that exact thing with the DS, first upgrading to lite, and now the DSi

[RPGWiZaRD]

Here's a Metroid Prime 3: Corruption in 1080p vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFu3p9n2jR8&fmt=22 It's a bit slow sometimes in this video but it's prolly due to recording or he's got a slow comp. :p Here's the 2nd part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDaq2SANBvM&fmt=22

Quite a few games work or at least go ingame on Dolphin emu these days, quite interesting, there's still lots and lots of work to be done on it though.

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Might as well post my 1080p 8x aa 16 fsaa screens of brawl
http://i39.tinypic.com/bffchu.png
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[zanzabar]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=16546261&postcount=773

WAU! :eek: :slobber:
its obviously done with dolphin (pc gamecube/wii emulator) and not the wii itself... but this shows how much the wii is actually held back by its crappy graphics... if only it had at least an xbox1 gpu... :(

so do you guys think there will ever be a wii with upgraded graphics?
the rumored wii HD?

EDIT: its a shame that its illegal to play wii games in propper resolution on your pc...
lots of potential business there nintendo... :shrug:

u know that the hollywood chip is a little more than the game cube's and the GC had the best gpu in its generation by a rather large margin.

and dolphin isnt illegal, if u extract the bios from your own wii and play from an iso of a game that u ripped

edit- also the wii HD should come out, they can just add in HDMI update the gpu with something stronger (they are on the x1600 bass now so they could add shader units) then keep everything cross compatible

[STaRGaZeR]

Might as well post my 1080p 8x aa 16 fsaa screens of

Yes, because the one that took the Galaxy's screenshots was a complete noob it seems.

[Boogerlad]

it's legal as long as you dump your own wii games.

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Yes, because the one that took the Galaxy's screenshots was a complete noob it seems.
Seriously, 720p and no aa is not HD.

[Manicdan]

Might as well post my 1080p 8x aa 16 fsaa screens of brawl
http://i39.tinypic.com/bffchu.png
http://i41.tinypic.com/e8ve5s.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/28qui6c.png
http://i43.tinypic.com/nq7a8m.png
http://i39.tinypic.com/53u0wy.png
http://i40.tinypic.com/203h5.png
http://i42.tinypic.com/2ihxhmx.png
http://i44.tinypic.com/1y5or8.png
http://i41.tinypic.com/jax94p.png
http://i41.tinypic.com/bfhvnd.png

its really interesting how detailed things can get once you up the resolution, never thought they would have put in that much work since you can never see it on the real console. makes me wonder if they are planning something soon with a real chip and any major game will be directly compatible to use the extra beef.

[Boogerlad]

don't forget, it looks pixelated only because it uses the stock textures. Using dolphin's high res texture swapper, you can make it look much better.

[STaRGaZeR]

The interesting thing is how people react when they realize how good games look without all the blurred brown crap that it's now known as "reality". You can't imagine how most GameCube and Wii games look at proper resolutions, AA and AF, etc. You'd throw more than 1 or 2 "real" games out of the window after seeing them.

[algorhythm]

Regarding those Brawl screens: whoa.

That convinced me to dump my Wii's Bios and games, or at least research Dolphin a bit. I assume WiiMote's dont work at all though.

[STEvil]

True but they could do it via software emulation.

No reason a new GPU couldnt be hardware compatible with the old one.

Buy Wii-HD game, it works on old and new Wii... :D

[zanzabar]

No reason a new GPU couldnt be hardware compatible with the old one.

Buy Wii-HD game, it works on old and new Wii... :D

+1 u just need the same kind of gpu, the work the the x1k architecture now they could use an 1800 like gpu as MS dose on the 360 and get HD, the IBM PPC chip should be fine

[The0men]

it's legal as long as you dump your own wii games.

You don't even need to dump them yourself though do you?
I'm sure you can download and legally play them so long
as you own an original copy. That is the disclaimer that
I normally come across.

[saaya]

I think there's a "frustration" bubble growing inside each Wii owner, and there's the danger of all of them blowing at the same time -> specially if Nintendo keeps this "we don't need HD" crap for their next console.
exactly... if thered be nothing else maybe the graphics would be enough... but you can see better stuff on a psp and even the iphone has almost the same graphics as a wii, so.... you constantly get reminded that there are MUCH better graphics all around you and your basically playing with one eye closed.


u know that the hollywood chip is a little more than the game cube's and the GC had the best gpu in its generation by a rather large margin.

and dolphin isnt illegal, if u extract the bios from your own wii and play from an iso of a game that u ripped

edit- also the wii HD should come out, they can just add in HDMI update the gpu with something stronger (they are on the x1600 bass now so they could add shader units) then keep everything cross compatible
gamecube had the most powerful gpu in its generation???
wutt? :D
better than ps2, but better than xbox? xbox was a geforce 3-4 hybrid... is seriously doubt that gamecubes gpu was more powerful than that! xbox had pixel shader water and really nice effects while gamecube games look like dx8 or dx7 most of the time, its all just textures and really basic lightning effects...

idk... are you sure the gamecube had a powerful gpu? i really find that very hard to believe... and no matter how powerful the gamecubes gpu was, graphics on gamecube sucked imo and wii has almost the same graphics so...

about how illegal this is... well id agree with you, but im sure nintendo wont :D


Regarding those Brawl screens: whoa.

That convinced me to dump my Wii's Bios and games, or at least research Dolphin a bit. I assume WiiMote's dont work at all though.
actually it should work! they are bluetooth after all and i read an article once of a guy who got his wiimote working on his pc and used it to access windows media center :D

[zanzabar]

u can look at the specs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecube#Technical_specifications

the wii has just a little more power over the GC and can run the code native from the GC and the GC had by far the best graphics of that gen, the xbox was all cpu and wasnt limited by the small storage on the GC (1.5GB) so it (the xbox) could just push textures though, its alot like the 360 and ps3 the ps3 has no gpu power in comparison but it can just shove a mesh of semi prerenders with live updates and non gpu heavy code since it has the better storage media and back it up with fractal based physics and geometry from the cell.

[saaya]

u can look at the specs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecube#Technical_specifications

the wii has just a little more power over the GC and can run the code native from the GC and the GC had by far the best graphics of that gen, the xbox was all cpu and wasnt limited by the small storage on the GC (1.5GB) so it (the xbox) could just push textures though, its alot like the 360 and ps3 the ps3 has no gpu power in comparison but it can just shove a mesh of semi prerenders with live updates and non gpu heavy code since it has the better storage media and back it up with fractal based physics and geometry from the cell.yeah i know wii and gc are close spec wise... but i still dont think gc had a stronger gpu than xbox1... i mean really... xbox1 was a geforce3/geforce4 hybrid... thats not bad at all...

Xbox GPU . GC GPU
gpu clock
233MHz 162MHz
pixel pipelines and texture units per pipeline
(4x2) (4x1)
peak triangle perf
29m 20m
memory and bandwidth
64mb@6.4gb/s 24mb@2.7gb/s

so the GC gpu was/is clearly slower, at least according to the specs...
from the specs its AT LEAST 30% slower and has less features, has less main memory and a weaker cpu...
this is nintendo and some unknown company patching a gpu together vs nvidia... what did you expect? :P

and if you still dont believe me, then how about this... google for the best looking gamecube games and then google for the best looking xbox games... the xbox has doom3, far cry, splinter cell chaos etc etc... cut down compared to the pc, sure, but close...

whats the best eye candy game cube has to offer?
youll find that many of the best looking game cube games are actuall cell shader rendered cartoon style games!
the only half decent looking game in my opinion was resident evil4, and that was, like i said, textures... greyed out brownish textures... and thats it...

compare that to far cry on xbox, and then tell me again that gamecube had the best gpu and graphics of its generation of consoles :P

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9427/24548435.jpg

[[XC] Oj101]

The biggest problem is the market the Wii is aimed at doesn't really care about how bad the graphics are. Until that changes I don't think they will do much.

^^^This is why the newer PC games SUCK. They've lost the ENJOYMENT FACTOR. I would much rather play Half Life 1 than Crysis because the storyline is much more enjoyable.

[Xello]

compare that to far cry on xbox, and then tell me again that gamecube had the best gpu and graphics of its generation of consoles :P

I don't know about specs, but RE4 was easily the single most impressive game visually of that generation (cube version of course, ps2 port was lacking). I remember laughing at xbox visuals at launch (cough halo), when compared to the likes of Rogue Leader and Metroid Prime, though obviously both consoles' visuals improved as developers learned to squeeze more out of them and generally speaking they were on par with each other.

On that Far Cry screeny, did the xbox render games in 1280x720?

[[XC] Lead Head]

this is nintendo and some unknown company patching a gpu together vs nvidia... what did you expect? :P

An unknown company patching a GPU together? ArtX designed the Gamecube GPU, ATi bought ArtX shortly before the gamecube was launched. ArtX was fully responsible for the Radeon 9700, which fully trashed the GeForce 3, 4 and FX series. Yes the Xbox has more horsepower, but ArtX/ATi are hardly an "unkown company"




I don't know about specs, but RE4 was easily the single most impressive game visually of that generation (cube version of course, ps2 port was lacking). I remember laughing at xbox visuals at launch (cough halo), when compared to the likes of Rogue Leader and Metroid Prime, though obviously both consoles' visuals improved as developers learned to squeeze more out of them and generally speaking they were on par with each other.

On that Far Cry screeny, did the xbox render games in 1280x720?

The Xbox also had the ability to render games in 720p. Also, I will say, RE4 did look pretty good for the time

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The wii controller works on pc but you need a blue tooth and r signal or just use a candle.

[GAR]

It is: Check it outa (http://wii.ign.com/objects/143/14354229.html).

I'm a happy Wii owner (Unlike with Xbox 360 and PS3 games, there simply is no substitute for Zelda, Mario, Metroid, or Super Smash Bros. on PC). I do think that a WiiHD is all but inevitable and will be highly anticipated.

WOW, i didnt know, i may have to pick up a WII for this game.

[Chris_redfield]

I really have tried so hard to like Nintendo again. I was really excited when I first heard about the revolutionary controller for the wii. But then I saw the graphics, and thought, well maybe the price will only be £100. And it wasn't. And then I saw the line up of launch titles. Delayed and cancelled cube titles or stupid mini game collections.

There are so many more problems with the wii than just its pants graphics. Because graphics don't make a game. Braid is amazing fun to play and the level design is incredible. How many people here have wasted hundreds of hours playing Peggle on here?

I went out and bought one recently just because there was a period when I used to go around getting into fights with people at school who thought the PS1 was better than the N64. And I was whole heartidly disappointed. Super smash bros and Mario Kart dont feel like they've moved on a great deal (I can't play Mario Kart with the Wii mote with any degree of accuracy so thank christ someone at Nintendo thought lets add a port for the die hard game cube fans.)

Opening the box that the wii came in was probably the worse box opening ceremonies that I've ever endured (and I've bought some right second hand tat from ebay like the Philips CDi.) Want to go online, you have to buy an adaptor. Want to download anything of any real size such as retro games, you have to buy a flash card. Want the wii-mote to aim more accurately, you have to buy an add on. Want the Wii to be a little bit further away from your tv as opposed to right under it. You have to buy the wireless motion sensor bar. Want the system to output at 480p you have to buy a cable. I CANT BELEIVE THEY CHARGE YOU EXTRA JUST TO PLAY IN CRAPPY 480p! And worse still not all games support that so you end up with a stupid jaggy image anyway.

After you purchase all these add ons you end up with a system that is less powerful than both the PS3 and the 360, has less titles worth playing, less multimedia functionality and is a lot more expensive.

I got really excited about the wii's new controls opening up new boundries for RTS. But the only title that has attempted to bring strategy to the console amid the sea of gamecube ports, Hasbro games and fitness regimes is Little Kingdom. And even that is so basic that after a while it becomes a bit tedious (plus it steals its unit manipulation technique from the Pikmin series, an act that isn't actually as shameful as Nintendo's whoring of captain Olimar's previous adventures rather than giving him a brand new game.) And Little Kingdom doesn't actually use the moton sensing part of the wii-mote at all. (Which is probably a good idea because Battalion Wars 2 made me feel motion sick a lot of the time, but at least the crap controls in that game stopped me from being so horrifically offended by the mutilation of the worlds history.)

Nintendo looked like they were about to get completely destroyed with the Gamecube. Sales were down, the major retailers around the world were not giving Nintendo any shelf space as a result of poor sales. And how can you increase sales if no one is going to sell them. Developers aren't going to come up with titles for a console if they don't think they can make any money off them either. Microsoft were about to deal a sucker punch with the 360 and Sony were promising HDMI ports that would plug directly into your forehead.

So nintendo panicked and created the wii. A gimmick rather than a system. An idea so bad that if it had happened to Sega no one would have bought it and everybody would have just talked about how there aren't any good 3d sonic games. But no. Shigeru Miyamoto must have :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed a leperachaun at some point in his life because everybody went out and brought the system in droves. No one cared that there isn't anything decent to play on it because the novelty of the Wii mote was so awe inspiring it took people back to a time when they were dribbling children look at the mouse cursor move on the screen wondering if it really did operate by magic.

I hate to sound prejudice or like a teenage idiot when I say this, but it is my educated opinion that the wii is for tards. I mean what other console out there needs to remind players to ensure they are gripping their joypad firmly at the start to each game. And I certainly feel like one for buying the system.

(sorry this post is long, I just really don't like the wii is all and I feel betrayed.)

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I doubt nintendo cares as they are selling a baijilion systems/games with the wii/ds.

[Chris_redfield]

I don't know about specs, but RE4 was easily the single most impressive game visually of that generation (cube version of course, ps2 port was lacking).

:up: Though I think that Rogue Squadron II was more jaw dropping because the sense of scale was perfect. Both Resi 4 and SW:RS2 looked much better than anything the Xbox had.

[STaRGaZeR]

Snip

Just :clap:

I only hope they don't release a new F-Zero for the Wii, because if they do so I'll be forced to buy that piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: :shock:

[ToTTenTranz]

I went out and bought one recently just because there was a period when I used to go around getting into fights with people at school who thought the PS1 was better than the N64. And I was whole heartidly disappointed. Super smash bros and Mario Kart dont feel like they've moved on a great deal (I can't play Mario Kart with the Wii mote with any degree of accuracy so thank christ someone at Nintendo thought lets add a port for the die hard game cube fans.)
Both Mario Kart and Smash Bros for the Wii are very successful games for the console. Not only there's a lot of people liking and buying them, their review results were top notch.

These games don't suit your tastes? Too bad, live with it. You're obviously the exception here.
The Wii line-up is filled with "me-too" shovelware? Yes, it is. But it also has some damn good and fun games.





Opening the box that the wii came in was probably the worse box opening ceremonies that I've ever endured (and I've bought some right second hand tat from ebay like the Philips CDi.) Want to go online, you have to buy an adaptor. Want to download anything of any real size such as retro games, you have to buy a flash card. Want the wii-mote to aim more accurately, you have to buy an add on. Want the Wii to be a little bit further away from your tv as opposed to right under it. You have to buy the wireless motion sensor bar. Want the system to output at 480p you have to buy a cable. I CANT BELEIVE THEY CHARGE YOU EXTRA JUST TO PLAY IN CRAPPY 480p! And worse still not all games support that so you end up with a stupid jaggy image anyway.

1 - The Wii includes a free, internal wireless LAN adapter. Many households (whose owners buy consoles) have a wireless LAN. Heck, where I live, whenever you sign up for an ISP they even offer you a wireless router.

2 - The Wii has 512MB of flash memory. I have 4 virtual console games and one wiiware game installed and every free channel available. I'm not even halfway through the available memory. Need more memory? Spend 10€ on a 4GB SD card. That won't make you bankrupt.

3 - The wii-mote aims very well the way it comes bundled. I don't even know what you're talking about here.

4 - The sensor bar has a VERY long cord. But yes the Wii is supposed to sit next to the TV, DUH.
Why not complain about the X360 or PS3 having to connect to the TV through HDMI? Or a DVD-player, or an A/V Receiver? Or do you live in some kind of hypothetical future where people don't use any cables any more?


5 - Yes, you need to spend extra for a component cable. You also have to buy one for X360 (non-premium) and PS3, if you want to use that connection. It's no different from all the others.





There is justifiable criticism to the console, but you seem to be exhaling wii-hatred from all you pores. How about just selling the console and buying a X360?

[saaya]

^^^This is why the newer PC games SUCK. They've lost the ENJOYMENT FACTOR. I would much rather play Half Life 1 than Crysis because the storyline is much more enjoyable.totally agree... half life1 was really awesome... and sof2 and avp2... those games are so creative and have so much story in them... and weeks of gameplay if not months...


I don't know about specs, but RE4 was easily the single most impressive game visually of that generation (cube version of course, ps2 port was lacking). I remember laughing at xbox visuals at launch (cough halo), when compared to the likes of Rogue Leader and Metroid Prime, though obviously both consoles' visuals improved as developers learned to squeeze more out of them and generally speaking they were on par with each other.

On that Far Cry screeny, did the xbox render games in 1280x720?i never played it... i was close to getting a game cube for RE4 but then saw lots of screenshots and vids of it and the graphics sucked imo... so i didnt get it...


Lead Head;3901291']ArtX was fully responsible for the Radeon 9700wha? i wouldnt say that... but interesting... i didnt know dave orton and all those guys were originally artX, which were originally SGI... wow... really didnt know that!

just because they released r300 in 2002 which beat geforce4 doesnt meant the flipper gpu for gamecube they released in 2000/2001 beats the xbox geforce3.5 gpu ;)
i still dont think gamecube had more graphics power than the xbox1...

FFS you can play far cry on xbox! :eek:
RE4 looks good but nowhere near that good imo...

i hate the xbox, its huge chunky power hungry overpriced and essentially a crippled celeron pc... but it had more graphics power than the gamecube!

[ToTTenTranz]

True but they could do it via software emulation.

Name one console that has successfully emulated all its previous-generation titles through software.

Point proven?

The problem is that, for a successfull software emulation, you'll need a system that's some orders of manitude faster than the system being emulated. This means you'd need at least a two-generation gap between the old and the new system.

This is why the PS2 needed the PS1 cpu for backwards compatibility, and PS3 needed the PS2 SOC.. even though they were both a lot faster than their predecessor.

[JohnZS]

The Wii is the best console out there at the moment (IMHO), just the graphics are... soo 2002, however the actual GAMING experience far surpasses that of the HexBox360 and the Playstation3. The PS3 is a fantastic multimedia box which plays games, and the HexBox is just a hot, loud, chunky box which plays games.
John

[Smartidiot89]

Gaming experience.

This is why my computer is filled with SNES, SEGA, N64 and PSX games :(

Really I couldn't care less about graphics just stop making :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing crap games already. Give us gaming experience, enjoyment! I played Starcraft and Diablo 2 for years and years cause I enjoyed it, even with never games out there with better graphics nothing could replace those games. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - a true masterpiece and you know what it's singleplayer! I spent 2 years playing this games with various mods and I can't remember when I enjoyed a game as much as I enjoyed Morrowind.

Same goes for MMOs, when "graphic"(not text based) MMOs arrived it was so awesome and mindblowing and the variety was there! Now we have "World of Warcraft" which every single company and their mother is trying to mimic! Be innovative and give us something new, think outside of the box like in the old days! Give me a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing pixelated 8-bit mario for all I care as long as the gameplay is there:ROTF:

[Chris_redfield]

Far Cry looked OK, but from my recollection the best looking Xbox game was Splinter Cell Chaos Theory.

I'm pretty sure in a wrestling match the Xbox would beat the gamecube but Rogue Squadron 2 still looks incredible today and the sheer scale of the ships really is stunning. They were really clever with things like the explosions as well. Rather than trying to get all the particle effects and physics just right for the larger explosions like the deathstar. They just copied what the films did. So whilst it didn't look realistic, it looked like star wars and made you feel like part of the universe.

[Jimmer411]

Name one console that has successfully emulated all its previous-generation titles through software.

Point proven?

The problem is that, for a successfull software emulation, you'll need a system that's some orders of manitude faster than the system being emulated. This means you'd need at least a two-generation gap between the old and the new system.

This is why the PS2 needed the PS1 cpu for backwards compatibility, and PS3 needed the PS2 SOC.. even though they were both a lot faster than their predecessor.


You might want to do some more reading. There are already emulators for the Wii that allow you to play every single nintendo based console on it, a PS1 emulator in development as well as genesis and sega saturn emulators.


It was the same way for the xbox and even the dreamcast for the most part.

[JohnZS]

Gaming experience.

This is why my computer is filled with SNES, SEGA, N64 and PSX games :(



Ahh, Super Mario, Zelda, Sonic the Hedgehog, Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Mario Kart 64... those were games back in the day :)

Drifting to the PC Platform do you remember "Day of the Tentacle" and "The Monkey Island Games"?

[ToTTenTranz]

You might want to do some more reading. There are already emulators for the Wii that allow you to play every single nintendo based console on it, a PS1 emulator in development as well as genesis and sega saturn emulators.


It was the same way for the xbox and even the dreamcast for the most part.

You might want to read better the posts you quote :P

The Wii runs the Gamecube games through hardware. All they do is to downclock the CPU and GPU and voilá: a Gamecube (with more TEVs and memory available but the games won't use those).
All the other consoles you mentioned are 2 generations (or more) behind the Wii, proving my point.


I'm not so sure about that saturn emulator, though. Saturn used quads instead of triangles, it was an architecture too different from everything else so it has to be emulated entirely through a CPU.. I don't know if Wii's Broadway is enough to run a Saturn emulator flawlessly.

[Chris_redfield]

Drifting to the PC Platform do you remember "Day of the Tentacle" and "The Monkey Island Games"?

I remember Monkey Island, never played it on the PC though, I had it on the Amiga.

[nsegative]

Gaming experience.

This is why my computer is filled with SNES, SEGA, N64 and PSX games :(

Really I couldn't care less about graphics just stop making :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing crap games already. Give us gaming experience, enjoyment! I played Starcraft and Diablo 2 for years and years cause I enjoyed it, even with never games out there with better graphics nothing could replace those games. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind - a true masterpiece and you know what it's singleplayer! I spent 2 years playing this games with various mods and I can't remember when I enjoyed a game as much as I enjoyed Morrowind.

Same goes for MMOs, when "graphic"(not text based) MMOs arrived it was so awesome and mindblowing and the variety was there! Now we have "World of Warcraft" which every single company and their mother is trying to mimic! Be innovative and give us something new, think outside of the box like in the old days! Give me a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing pixelated 8-bit mario for all I care as long as the gameplay is there:ROTF:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2zei8vn.jpg

[crash5s]

Agreed. I'm one of those people.


Playing mario party and mario kart with friends is still ok.
But it's a bit frustrating to come from playing Fallout 3 in my PC to play something like Red Steel in my Wii.

It's like watching a good and recent Fantasy movie filled with special effects like Lord of The Rings in a 15" CRT TV. The content is still great but you always feel you're only getting half of the experience.



I think there's a "frustration" bubble growing inside each Wii owner, and there's the danger of all of them blowing at the same time -> specially if Nintendo keeps this "we don't need HD" crap for their next console.

I get a lot more use out of my wii then I do the other systems, and some of the games coming out look interesting (new metroid, murmasa).

Any of the "good" titles on the PS3/360 that I'm interested in come out for the PC, that's a no brainer, I'll play them on the PC. The few exceptions so far have been blazblue, valkyria chronicles, and SF4 (which while out on the PC doesn't have good players online).

By contrast the wii has had a lot of good titles, and not even just the Nintendo ones (madworld and no more heroes come to mind).

The next one could do with HD, but the current one is fine as is.

[saaya]

well, at least the wii can run far cry too it seems!
with full eye candy! ...almost :lol:

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6472/farcryvengeance20060921.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6472/farcryvengeance20060921.jpg

and this is the wii, with a beefed up gpu and cpu and more and faster memory... i dont even want to know what far cry would look like on gamecube... we probably wouldnt be able to recognize it as far cry :D

i hope thats the nail in the coffin of all this gamecubes gpu was the most powerful of its generation of consoles and gamecube had the best graphics etc... seriously... its not that graphics matter that much, but claiming a console thats worse than wii in graphics has good graphics is really stretching things too far :P

seriously... i played far cry on a geforce4mx which is a geforce2mx on steroids... and it looked very very sweet and close to my 9700pro. sure the fps were choppy every now and then but it was actually playable with a geforce4mx... it seems the wii is far behind even a geforce4mx equipped pc in performance...

[Manicdan]

pls dont tell me my 9800pro can beat the Wii? thats just sad

[Xello]

i hope thats the nail in the coffin of all this gamecubes gpu was the most powerful of its generation of consoles and gamecube had the best graphics etc...

I pulled out of this convo as it was going nowhere (RE4 graphics sucked?:rofl:) but Far Cry is a PC game and porting it to xbox architecture vs. porting to gamecube architecture is night and day. If you want to showcase the xbox find a better game than FC anyway, i can think of many more impressive titles on that console. None look quite as good as the best on the cube though :up: Btw is that Far Cry Vengeance? That's great why don't i go and pick the worst looking game on xbox and use it as a comparison to some good looking games on cube/ps2? ¬_¬

Here's a very short DH thread from back in the day with some key points:

http://www.driverheaven.net/gaming-discussion/4154-xbox-vs-gamecube-graphics-chip-better-here-insight.html

I should say that overall, i feel that the xbox probably did edge out the cube in sheer potential horsepower. Much like comparing ATI and Nvidia in this regard though, that doesn't really matter - i say let the games be the basis of judgment.

[STEvil]

I think even Perfect Dark had better graphics than RE4!

:p

[Dainas]

and this is the wii, with a beefed up gpu and cpu and more and faster memory... i dont even want to know what far cry would look like on gamecube..

Ok, time to dispel one myth i keep seeing over and over. The Wii is not an spruced up gamecube, it is a gamecube. The Gpus are identical for all graphical purposes down to the 3mb of texture buffer, as is the cpu. The additional 200~ mhz is easily offset by the addition of a background OS and other gimmicks the Wii uses.

Gotta hand it to Nintendo, bitter from the failure of the gamecube they have pulled off the greatest profit burn in gaming history while keeping the same console to do the very job it failed to do originally. Yeah I own one too :-/

[STEvil]

Ok, time to dispel one myth i keep seeing over and over. The Wii is not an spruced up gamecube, it is a gamecube. The Gpus are identical for all graphical purposes down to the 3mb of texture buffer, as is the cpu. The additional 200~ mhz is easily offset by the addition of a background OS and other gimmicks the Wii uses.

Gotta hand it to Nintendo, bitter from the failure of the gamecube they have pulled off the greatest profit burn in gaming history while keeping the same console to do the very job it failed to do originally. Yeah I own one too :-/

I think you'd have a hard time hacking a GC to become a Wii, but yeah they're pretty darn close.

[[XC] Lead Head]

When Nintendo first showcased the Wii, and had pulic demos of it, they didn't actually have Wii hardware at the time. They were Gamecubes modified with a fancy controller adapter add-on, and loaded up with Wii games

[ToTTenTranz]

Ok, time to dispel one myth i keep seeing over and over. The Wii is not an spruced up gamecube, it is a gamecube. The Gpus are identical for all graphical purposes down to the 3mb of texture buffer, as is the cpu. The additional 200~ mhz is easily offset by the addition of a background OS and other gimmicks the Wii uses.

Gotta hand it to Nintendo, bitter from the failure of the gamecube they have pulled off the greatest profit burn in gaming history while keeping the same console to do the very job it failed to do originally. Yeah I own one too :-/


-The GPU can now access the 64MB GDDR3 RAM (the cube's 16MB of DRAM were too slow, only used to sound processing and optical disc cache).
- Developer reports say the number of TEVs were doubled (the closest this architecture has to a pixel shader).
-The "background OS and other gimmicks" you mention are actually handled by a dedicated 200MHz ARM9 integrated in Hollywood (not present in Flipper).
- The 3MB SRAM are for frame buffer, not texture buffer (that's what the dedicated 24MB 1T-SRAM are for). The Wii's maximum resolution is the same as the Gamecube (720*480p) so that's why they didn't increase the frame buffer, no point in doing that.



The console does have some hardware changes, but they were mostly made in favor of architecture efficiency, power dissipation, cost and size factor rather than raw power. Of course it's a POS when compared to the 3.2GHz multi-core CPUs and high-end-DX9-level GPUs you find in X360 and PS3, but its specs make it stand well above the first XBox.
Just try comparing some screens of The Conduit to the best-looking XBox game, side-by-side.


But yeah, by now the console probably costs something like $50 to build, so Nintendo must be making a huge pile of money just from the console sales. Same thing with DS and DSi.

[Final8ty]

NinjaGaiden looked good on the xbox & DOA3.

[XSAlliN]

Hey loook ... It's Maaaaaarioo!