Which triple radiator

[shedokan]

What's the best triple radiator for SFLEX's 1600RPM 63CFM \ YL 70CFM - 3x ofc.

[pika198]

Best value is the XSPC RX360

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Best value is the XSPC RX360

lol your joking right? at $90 its hardly value

the mcr320 is easily the best value radiator and its very close to even the pa120.3

[Spawn-Inc]

lol your joking right? at $90 its hardly value

the mcr320 is easily the best value radiator and its very close to eve the pa120.3

+1, or 2 in my case. they are the best performance price rad out there. once i get a mm case or turn my old case into a rad farm/house i will get another 2 mcr320's :)

[Stvwndr219]

seconded on the mcr320 - keeping my 4.2 core i7 at 65C under load. :)

I have Yate mediums running on them which are roughly the same cfms as the Scythe's i think.

[pika198]

lol your joking right? at $90 its hardly value

the mcr320 is easily the best value radiator and its very close to even the pa120.3

Well for high end cooling it is the best. It is the best price compared to Thermochill and Feser. Now if you want a basic triple radiator then the swiftech MCR 320 or xspc rs320 will the do the trick for under 60 bucks:up:

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Well for high end cooling it is the best. It is the best price compared to Thermochill and Feser. Now if you want a basic triple radiator then the swiftech MCR 320 or xspc rs320 will the do the trick for under 60 bucks:up:

when basic and high end is separated by < 6% with 1350rpm yates (medium) then there is no reason to distinguish high end from low end especially when the price disparity is 30%+

your fooling yourself if you think the money or the temps are worth it.

[pika198]

when basic and high end is separated by < 6% with 1350rpm yates (medium) then there is no reason to distinguish high end from low end especially when the price disparity is 30%+

your fooling yourself if you think the money or the temps are worth it.

That is true, but when you enter such a market as water cooling, then you want to cool things the best. Is it justified to buy a 200 dollar water coooling setup because it is 5-10% better then the best air cooler on the market?

[shedokan]

I asked for the best radiator available to have max perfromance, not best bang for the buck ;l

Feser 360 or GTX360 or PA120.3 @ 63-70CFM Fans 120x25mm.

Take a note that Feser 360 costs like GTX480, 63CFM Fans who will perform better?

How does Feser 360 compare to GTX480 with these fans? http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa1.html

[WaterFlex]

NOT PA. PA is for <1200 rpm. More RPM are useless for Termochill.

[shazza]

From the data provided by skinnee, there isn't a great deal of performance difference with fans at 1600-1650 RPM:


http://shazza53.smugmug.com/photos/544620407_oBQHS-L.jpg
(Graph lifted from skinnee's Triple Radiator Comparison (http://www.skinneelabs.com/) without permission, but I don't think he'll mind)


The Thermochill PA120.3 is the leader, but not by a lot. There's limited review info so far on the Feser, but it will probably be in there with the Thermochill and XSPC.

Another good review is HESmelaugh's Triple Radiator Roundup (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220593). It includes the Black Ice GTX, but no Feser.

[pika198]

I asked for the best radiator available to have max perfromance, not best bang for the buck ;l

Feser 360 or GTX360 or PA120.3 @ 63-70CFM Fans 120x25mm.

Take a note that Feser 360 costs like GTX480, 63CFM Fans who will perform better?

How does Feser 360 compare to GTX480 with these fans? http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa1.html

I still say XSPC RX360 or better yet, an RX480. Feser 360 is the same as the XSPC one, but has a nice looking box and some extra goodies inside. The GTX480 I would avoid and would go with the Feser 480 or XSPC RX480. Either way they are all pretty much the same.

These radiators are all similiar, but here the the slight changes in each one that might interest you.

Feser - Cool box and extra accessories
XSPC - Best price
Thermochill - Different thread style

[kinghong1970]

i just received the RX480 and i'm quite impressed with the quality...
does not feel as "solid" as the PA120.3 but i do not regret it at all...

[skinnee]

what are you going to have in the loop? Just a CPU loop? :shrug:

@ shazza - I don't mind at all. :buddies:

[shedokan]

Yeah well, maybe quad radiator sounds overkill for CPU and NB Loop but if the Feser 360 costs like GTX 480 then why not?

[Waterlogged]

Best "overall" bang for the buck=MCR's

Best "thick boi" bang for the buck=XSPC

Best "Cadillac" bang for the buck=Thermochill


/discussion :p:

kinghong1970, I recent bought a RX120 and I'd have to agree 100% with your assessment. :yepp:

[eth0s]

@ Shazza: "(Graph lifted from skinnee's Triple Radiator Comparison without permission, but I don't think he'll mind)"

Your only duty is to give proper attribution to work that is not yours when you are quoting it. Otherwise it looks like you are trying to pass off skinnee's work as your own, which you did correctly, so it's okay. You only need to secure permission, or what is known as a "release", when you are using someone's intellectual property (e.g., copyright, trademark, or patent) to make money. Because the owner of the copyright could sue you for a share of the profits, or the statutory amount of damages, whichever is larger.

[ILikeCosmosS]

waterlogged you missed 1

Best "Fancy" bang for buck= feser

[eth0s]

@ shedokan: If money is no object get a Feser Monsta, and if noise is not an issue for you, put some 140mm x 38mm @ 3000 rpm fans on it.

[skinnee]

Shazza has full release to repost my images. :D

[hellcamino]

I wonder how many people here who are talking smack even own one of the radiators that they are talking smack about?

[shazza]

I wonder how many people here who are talking smack even own one of the radiators that they are talking smack about?

I can answer that:

PA 120.3 x 3
PA 120.2 x 1
MCR 320 x 2
MCR 220 x 2
XSPC RX 240 x 1
XSPC RX 120 X 1
Magicool Extreme 240 x 2

BUT, I've never used any high speed fans. Mostly stick to Yate Loons Low and Medium, and S-Flex Es and Fs.

[NaeKuh]

if you have yates you listed in push pull config, the 360GTX will be the king in the catigory that you listed. (excluding the 260 dollar monsta)

[Helfarch]

360GTX + Deltas

[gOtVoltage]

360GTX + Deltas

Ive used the GTX and with High flow fans it just edges out a PA120.3...


In all the GTX will collect a lot of dust Compared to any other Rad you choose because the fin density is so thick.

If your spending Money ,, id get a PA or even Feser which stays a lot cleaner than a GTX hands down.


The real key to good water is good flow.
So if you get a bad as. rad get a good flowing pump 4.5gpm or 330gph minimum.

More flow = faster the heat can get to the rad and dissapated even with medium or low fans.

[Martinm210]

Not for the budget minded, but I'm still having fun with how big the Monsta triple is. The pictures just don't convey the massive scale well enough, almost makes my two quads envious..hehe

You can Never have too much radiator...this is getting ridiculous...just the way I like it!..lol!
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7845/monsta5.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/8104/monsta6.jpg

I look forward to more slow speed 140mm fan quads.:yepp:

[Waterlogged]

waterlogged you missed 1

Best "Fancy" bang for buck= feser

Did I? I think not, I don't deal with irrelevance. ;)

[WaterFlex]

That Monsta is awesome! Maybe I should to swap my PA with Monsta ?:confused:

[Adamantine]

If you want a thermochill but can't get one, get a Fesser instead. Same performance, better availability, about the same price.

[Hondacity]

wooohooo martins got some toys to play with :D i hope they sent the tribework fans too :D

[Thomas FJ]

Above 1400 rpm GTX360 series is king.
So I'll vote for that :)
/Thomas

[eth0s]

@Martin: Kudos on getting that new Feser Monsta rad for testing. It certainly looks intimidating. But how does it perform? I know you hate it when people ask you this, but when can we see the results? (JK) :rofl:

Also I hope you can lay your hands on some 140mm fans. I would love to see how 140mm's compare to 120mm's on that thing. I am sure we can all predict that the 140's will be better, but how much better I wonder?

[Martinm210]

That Monsta is awesome! Maybe I should to swap my PA with Monsta ?:confused:

I sold my PA, I'm keeping the Monsta. I just like how different it is:

The Monsta is the FIRST radiator:

To have low density fins and designed for 140mm fans
To be compatible with 120mm and 140mm fans
To include both front/back ports for barbs.
To use a "quad thickness" radiator design.
To come with good rubberized/removable/reusable fan gaskets custom made for the radiator.


So it's the first to have alot of new features that are very customized for this one radiator, even the foam packaging it was sent in was made for this radiator and has foam pockets to house the barbs and accessories. It's that sort of attention to detail that makes it different from other radiators. I particularly like the 140mm fan compatibility and lower fin density. It's also made extremely well and it's massive size being something a bit out of the box and different that is appealing asthetically to me. There's also only something like 350 of these made, so it's cool having something that not in every other system too.:yepp:


wooohooo martins got some toys to play with :D i hope they sent the tribework fans too :D

Yes, I have 3 of the slow speeds and 3 of the high speeds. I'll be working on those first, then they'll proboably be a permanent fixture to the Monsta. I may as well continue with the Monsta theme and install the thickest fans available push/pull style..:D


@Martin: Kudos on getting that new Feser Monsta rad for testing. It certainly looks intimidating. But how does it perform? I know you hate it when people ask you this, but when can we see the results? (JK) :rofl:

Also I hope you can lay your hands on some 140mm fans. I would love to see how 140mm's compare to 120mm's on that thing. I am sure we can all predict that the 140's will be better, but how much better I wonder?

I'm going to work on the fans first, then I'll play around with the radiator. Going to be a while yet though, I just ordered a spare pump from sidewinders yesterday so I can do a little rad testing.

Anyhow, I really like the toys. I like stuff that's a bit out of the ordinary, and these fulfill that need in excess..:eek::D

[shedokan]

Martin could you advice me what should I pick?

I wanna have CPU Loop only for very good temps on i7 Chip @ overclocked to its highest (HOT).

What radiator + Fans should I take? Budget: 180~190$..

[soulesschild]

I'd get a Monsta but I have no where to put it :(

[shedokan]

Monsta for CPU Loop only? TFC480 would be overkill.

[kinghong1970]

Monsta for CPU Loop only? TFC480 would be overkill.

and the monsta isn't?

:D

[gOtVoltage]

and the monsta isn't?

:D

Wouldnt a Mosnter still be shorter and offer better Mounting soulution over a 480 behemoth witch is very long to fit in a case:D.

[kinghong1970]

length vs girth... i say technique....

:D

[gOtVoltage]

length vs girth... i say technique....

:D

Hahahaa all three and any body is good to go :ROTF:

[Martinm210]

Martin could you advice me what should I pick?

I wanna have CPU Loop only for very good temps on i7 Chip @ overclocked to its highest (HOT).

What radiator + Fans should I take? Budget: 180~190$..

Sure, I'll give it a try.

i7.

To estimate heat loads:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Not sure what the i7's overclock to, but it tells me one running at 4200 and 1.45Vcore will produce around 250 watts.

Now you need to add about 15watts per pump as an estimate.

Your total heat load CPU only would be around 265 watts.

I always strive to get down below a 5C water/air delta for High performance.

Per Skinnee's results the PA, MCR and RX are within about 100RPMs of being equal here:
http://www.skinneelabs.com/Radiators/Triple-Rad_5C-Delta.jpg

So you could meet the 5C performance with fans in the 1600RPM range.:up:

Or you can use Skinnee's 10C chart and simply double the watts. 265x2 = 530 watts, you can then use this chart to estimate a 5C delta:
http://www.skinneelabs.com/sample/rd2-preview.jpg

So for a 5C delta, you would need yate high speeds running at:

MCR320 @ around 1650RPM
RX360 @ around 1625RPM
TFC360, HWlabs 360GTX, PA120.3 @ around 1500RPM

There's no data to this level yet on the Monsta, so I can't give you hard numbers there yet, but I'm sure the 140mm +36% frontal area will give it a pretty good gain over the 120mm sized counterparts.

Take your pick..:up:

[shedokan]

for 3x YL 70CFM 1650RPM - GTX360 or TFC360? Looks like they're equal..

by the way, how is this Pump http://www.petrastechshop.com/dadencp12vin.html compare to Laing D5 for CPU Loop Q6600 & GTZ & MCR320? My friend might get it. Noise? Perforamnce>

[Hondacity]

Sure, I'll give it a try.

i7.

To estimate heat loads:
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

Not sure what the i7's overclock to, but it tells me one running at 4200 and 1.45Vcore will produce around 250 watts.

Now you need to add about 15watts per pump as an estimate.

Your total heat load CPU only would be around 265 watts.

I always strive to get down below a 5C water/air delta for High performance.

Per Skinnee's results the PA, MCR and RX are within about 100RPMs of being equal here:

So you could meet the 5C performance with fans in the 1600RPM range.:up:

Or you can use Skinnee's 10C chart and simply double the watts. 265x2 = 530 watts, you can then use this chart to estimate a 5C delta:

So for a 5C delta, you would need yate high speeds running at:

MCR320 @ around 1650RPM
RX360 @ around 1625RPM
TFC360, HWlabs 360GTX, PA120.3 @ around 1500RPM

There's no data to this level yet on the Monsta, so I can't give you hard numbers there yet, but I'm sure the 140mm +36% frontal area will give it a pretty good gain over the 120mm sized counterparts.

Take your pick..:up:

good estimate on the 15w per pump, looking at your graphs i assumed 15w too.

i wonder if that monsta will beat the gtx 560 though :D

[silverphoenix]

good estimate on the 15w per pump, looking at your graphs i assumed 15w too.

i wonder if that monsta will beat the gtx 560 though :D

well the monsta is 2x the thickness but the GTX 560 has more FPI so better faster fans, and the GTX actually has 33% more frontal surface area.

I think the higher FPI of the GTX and double thickness of the monsta even each other out in terms of air heat capacity rates. So unless one is using very low spd fans I'd put my money on the GTX. I'm a firm believer of surface area over thickness.

[Sherif846]

Martin, which type of ID/OD threads are you using on the monsta? and what are your tube sizes? I saw here in the forum somewhere that a fellow used the feser barbs on the monsta, but they were leaking, and then they were damaged i think due to over tightening . Can you comment on this?

[ConTRo13r]

Why doesn't anyone recommend HW labs Black Ice GTX series?

[kinghong1970]

restrictive...
and requires loud fans that move lots of air...

works great as a dust filter tho...

[Martinm210]

Martin, which type of ID/OD threads are you using on the monsta? and what are your tube sizes? I saw here in the forum somewhere that a fellow used the feser barbs on the monsta, but they were leaking, and then they were damaged i think due to over tightening . Can you comment on this?

I'm getting it ready to do some pressure drop testing this weekend. I'm going to use my standard favorite barb (Danger Den Fat Boy 1/2" High Flow), and I'll also use some TFC 1/2" 45 degree fittings.

I'll check in on the 3/4" OD compression fittings, I think I still have some in the drawer.:up:

[LOUISSSSS]

would the Monsta fit on the top of the HAF? 15mm spacing w/ 120mm fans?

[soulesschild]

would the Monsta fit on the top of the HAF? 15mm spacing w/ 120mm fans?

I'd actually be scared to mount it on top lol. That thing weighs a ton. You're average MCR320 weighs about 2.5lbs without water. The Monsta by itself is 7.7 lbs.

[bluehaze]

Martin, which type of ID/OD threads are you using on the monsta? and what are your tube sizes? I saw here in the forum somewhere that a fellow used the feser barbs on the monsta, but they were leaking, and then they were damaged i think due to over tightening . Can you comment on this?

The 3/4 OD 1/2 ID fittings work fine, it is a very tight fit barely a sliver of light betwen the fitting and the side of the rad and if you overtighten they will touch. I saw the other thread and was concerned about it as well but after recieving the radiator it would almost seem to me as if that guy used a monkey wrench on his fittings to cause that damage or something :ROTF: I just don't see how it was possible with any kind of normal tightening unless maybe it was defective from the start.

[LOUISSSSS]

I'd actually be scared to mount it on top lol. That thing weighs a ton. You're average MCR320 weighs about 2.5lbs without water. The Monsta by itself is 7.7 lbs.

i'm sure 12 x steel screws + my steel case can hold more than 10 lbs... i only used 4 screws to mount my RX360 onto the top of my haf and it feels safe and secure there...

[Martinm210]

Martin, which type of ID/OD threads are you using on the monsta? and what are your tube sizes? I saw here in the forum somewhere that a fellow used the feser barbs on the monsta, but they were leaking, and then they were damaged i think due to over tightening . Can you comment on this?

Here are the fittings I tried, it is pretty tight with the recessed plenum chamber. I'm not a big fan of compression fittings myself so I use these on almost everything I run:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5300/tfcmonstafittingcheckfa.jpg

But if you really like compression fittings, you might consider these. They are unique from other 1/2" x 3/4" ID compression fittings I've seen because they really flare out the inlet end. Most 1/2" compression fittings have a 10.00mm ID throughout, these are tapered out to 12.4mm.:up:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9503/tfcmonstafittingchecktf.jpg
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/9503/tfcmonstafittingchecktf.jpg

[soulesschild]

i'm sure 12 x steel screws + my steel case can hold more than 10 lbs... i only used 4 screws to mount my RX360 onto the top of my haf and it feels safe and secure there...

True. I have the same case design as you. But the real question is, would you risk it? I wouldn't feel comfortable ;)

[silverphoenix]

restrictive...
and requires loud fans that move lots of air...

works great as a dust filter tho...

The GTX series isn't really that restrictive in terms of flow. and for fans the GTX starts outperforming the XSPC RX at around 1400rpms from skinnee's results and this is all personal taste but I don't consider things loud until they are way past 2k RPMs.