New Tbred 2200+ came!

[sysfailur]

I got my new 2200+ today, I'll spare you all from pictures as I'm sure you've seen them, but I did have a question...

The codes are these:

AXDA2200KV3C
AIRGA 0227EPAW

That's a week 27 right? Isn't that really new?

[Entuscan]

that's very new.

Start OC'ing that thing, I'd like to know if I have to upgrade my week 24

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by Entuscan
that's very new.

Start OC'ing that thing, I'd like to know if I have to upgrade my week 24

I will if newegg would friggin send my motherboard.

[sysfailur]

Thought I'd do a quick update, I have it in my 8k3a+ now and it's running great! :) I'll unlock soon, I just wanted to make sure it worked first.

[sysfailur]

Joy! I just unlocked it and it's working great! :) Full multiplier capabilities. Running @ 205x8.5 aircooled now. Gonna try a few diff. bios's and see which works best w/ it.

[Entuscan]

Great, now crack that baby up to some serious Mhz ;)

I wan't to know your week 27 is better then my 24 :p

[majormav]

mine an airga week 27 but cant play as ive no board to play i snet the at7 back as tbred wouldent play on it ... epox 8k3a doing what it feels like at the moment half of time it cant be bothered .... will be interesting to follow what happens to the week 27 ....

[sysfailur]

Mmmm well I can't really overclock it that much w/ just air sadly... but I think part of it is that I have to find the perfect bios for my 8k3a+ to go hand in hand w/ the Tbred. Anyone have any information on this? I've tried a few diff. ones so far, but haven't decided which is the best yet.

[sysfailur]

I benched w/ sisoft before I did and WPCREDIT changes and I got:

2783/2601 @ 186mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2809/2541 @ 187mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2858/2585 @ 190mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2931/2648 @ 195mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.

Note the 186mhz 2601... wtf is with that? heh Anyway, now I'm running @ 190mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios and these are my results...

55=84 - no change from original
6A=FF - 2879/2598
6B=F0 - no change from above
93=FF - no change from above
66=40 - 2892/2625

I'm going to go test @ 195mhz... hopefully she'll be stable!

EDIT: My 195mhz results below:

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/195mhz_2251_mem_wpcredit_changes.jpg

[sysfailur]

I'll work on more register settings tomorrow!

Also here's thus far my 3dmark score, pretty pathetic, but I'll work on it. The GF4 is conservatively clocked though, so once I up that, and fiddle w/ the bios some more I'll run through it again.

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4163390

[sysfailur]

O M G. I just realized I don't have Direct X 8.1 installed.... hmm think that'll help the score some?

[sysfailur]

I also just realized I'm using 3dmark 2k1, not SE! I'll have to install that tomorrow as well! ARHG!

[Sayajin]

hahha get dx8.1 installed and SE then how us what you can do!!! heeh...BTW what did u oc the 2200+ to max? im very interested in a 2200+ just trying to get as much info as i can on them.

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by Sayajin
hahha get dx8.1 installed and SE then how us what you can do!!! heeh...BTW what did u oc the 2200+ to max? im very interested in a 2200+ just trying to get as much info as i can on them.

While aircooling I'm keeping it @ 1.8ghz, just changing the FSB right now. I don't wanna up the mhz just yet. Gonna try to break 14k w/ just 1.8ghz, then I'll up the mhz.

[sysfailur]

Hmm well... I'm confused. I went from Direct x 8 to 8.1 and 2k1 to 2k1 SE 330.... and my score is lower!

The hardware config setup is all the same except where noted.

Hardware setup: 180x10 Tbred, fastest timings, tweaked 2312 8k3a+ bios, 2942 dets, win xp.

DX 8 + 3dmark 2k1: 12359 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4163390)
DX 8.1 + 3dmark 2k1 SE 330 gf4 @ 300/660: 12063 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4169844)
DX 8.1 + 3dmark 2k1 SE 330 gf4 @ 325/725: 12261 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4169872)

Another question... 198points for the clock increase?! That's FSCKED UP! Shouldn't that boost me more? I'm gonna do a 333/733 run and then a 340/750 run and see what I get. Someone help!

[Sayajin]

ok, i know that SE has a patch for nVidia cards, some cards were scoring points even though they werent on a test (on the test screens inbetween tests) this might be part of the reason you are loosing points compared to 3dmark original. have u had a format lately? try that, see what the results are, and i saw you are already using the 29.42 drivers which is also good. the only thing left would probably be a format...apart from that no idea why........

[sysfailur]

Yes I have recently formatted, and defragged recently. :\

[sysfailur]

I installed the 2619 bios, but it's not stable at all for me for some reason. And I still can't get a higher mem bandwidth than what I got w/ the 2312 @ 195..... but I can only run 3D @ 190 w/ the 2312. I geuss I'll go back to the 2312.

[Silver]

Definately need to get better ram down the road. Mushkin is unstable at 190. :(

[sysfailur]

My ram isn't the problem. It can do 211mhz @ the fastest timings, and 223 @ cas2 w/ relaxed timings..... but that's w/ a duron 1.2... for some reason this tbred + 8k3a = not wanting to go high. :\

[sysfailur]

New benchmark w/ reinstalled windows and just 6A=FF. AGP @ 2x, 4x is totally unstable.

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/195mhz_2251_mem_wpcredit_changes_3.jpg

[sysfailur]

Ok, as the image name states, those are the settings I used...

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/195mhz_6a=ff_55=84_run2.jpg

[Silver]

Why is the bandwidth so low? I am getting better bandwidth at 188fsb. This is the 2312 bios, right?

[N8]

Silver,

You have 400 CPU MHz on him, and don't I remember you getting not such good bandwidth not too long ago? ;)

Perhaps you could enlighten us w/ how u solved this problem :D

[Silver]

Originally posted by [N8]
Silver,

You have 400 CPU MHz on him, and don't I remember you getting not such good bandwidth not too long ago? ;)

Perhaps you could enlighten us w/ how u solved this problem :D

My bandwidth unfortunately has not improved. I am not really sure where you are getting that from. 2700 or so is the best I have ever been able to get out of this board. Now, megahertz has improved. Earlier in the thread I asked how he came up with such good bandwidth as indicated with the numbers he has and the reference to 195 fsb on the 2312 bios. Perhaps you could enlighten me. :) It would be most appreciated. After all I too would like to hit 3000 points. I presume it is my ram.:(
Now on the Ghz side, a different cold plate application with dual opposing pelts has allowed me to now get to 2.27Ghz and I think a little more changing on the cooling side and the bong ought to help it close in on 2.3Ghz. This is with out chilled water or refrigeration, just bong cooling.

Still would like to know how to get some more bandwidth out of this thing. Would really like numbers like these w/2312 bios.

Question, did someone tell you I was getting more bandwidth? If he is using the 2312 bios at the above stated settings then I am questioning the results. At 188 my bandwidth is higher (regardless of multiplier) than his at 195. This appears problematic. Either the timings are very lax, it is not the 2312 bios or something is ...strange.


2783/2601 @ 186mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2809/2541 @ 187mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2858/2585 @ 190mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios.
2931/2648 @ 195mhz @ fastest timings w/ 2312 bios:

As for the "different" cold plate (assuming that is what you are referring to) I got about half saying it would not work (as you know I am sure) and half saying it would/might. You know the rest of the story I believe.;) It works.:D

[Silver]

Maybe I should just pull out the mushkin and put the samsung back in and play with it some more.:(

[N8]

I'm confused, lol. Is sysfailur getting better or worse results than you? sys's seem right on target as far as I can remember w/ this 2312 BIOS. Its been a while since I have done any benching.

If you are over 185FSB, 2.2GHz or more, running aggressive timings, and using the 2312 BIOS...then 2700 memory bandwidth scores are not good at all. :( I think I ran some test benches for you over in overclockers forum to prove this. There seems to be a problem elsewhere ;)

[Silver]

Now if I change to one of the other bios's I can get great bandwidth, just isn't usable in 3d benching. Great bandwidth on one of the other bios's equals lower scores. I need to clean up the harddrive and reload 3d2001 as I think this one will now break the 14g barrier on the Ti4400 for AMDs.

Yeah, you and I did try to figure this one out before. Ran the multi down and tried running the ram up and end up with the same top fsb speed of around 190 to 191 unstable as xxxx.

[sysfailur]

I'm still totally confused by what Silver is saying.... you're getting a higher mem bandwidth than me w/ 188mhz fsb.... post a screenshot, tell us what bios, etc etc. For an 8k3a+, I'm doing great bandwidth wise. I haven't seen many higher except for MrIcee's amazing 3100mb/s sisoft bench.

[sysfailur]

Been messing w/ the 2812 Bios. Here's 197mhz fsb fastest timings and only register change 6A=FF.

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/197mhz_6a=ff.jpg

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by sysfailur
Been messing w/ the 2812 Bios. Here's 197mhz fsb fastest timings and only register change 6A=FF.

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/197mhz_6a=ff.jpg

I just noticed that my 195mhz fsb bench w/ same above settings, I scored a 2800 Float.... note the picture (http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/195mhz_6a=ff.jpg)

[N8]

This 2812 is looking very promising. They are saying it is outperforming the 2312 in 3d over at AOA....I wonder if this is so. I really need to find some time to bench...the 2812 is giving me the itch again ;)

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by [N8]
This 2812 is looking very promising. They are saying it is outperforming the 2312 in 3d over at AOA....I wonder if this is so. I really need to find some time to bench...the 2812 is giving me the itch again ;)

It got me 300points gain :)

[Silver]

Originally posted by sysfailur


I just noticed that my 195mhz fsb bench w/ same above settings, I scored a 2800 Float.... note the picture (http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/195mhz_6a=ff.jpg)

Now that is better than I am getting. I am going to take a good look at that bios. I in no way was insulting but rather confused as the stated ones did not match up with the linked bench I looked at. I have been trying to get mine up. I have been getting about 2720 to 2730 Float. BTW, fried the vid card last night and now must hunt for a temp standin (read cheap) for now. Card just closed like a movie screen and no more posting. Knew it was a little too hot for benching on air.:(

[sysfailur]

My newest bench... 197x10 done in a chilly room and now I don't lose the Int. It seems that the colder the Tbred is, the higher it will go in FSB. Because, even at like 200x6 let's say, it still isn't more stable than 200x9 or 10.

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/197mhz_6a=ff_chilly_room.jpg

[sysfailur]

Buhahaha... the colder my room gets, the higher FSB I can get! I love it! Check this out! I'm gonna catch you Randi!

http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/epox_2/tbred/2812/200mhz_6a=ff_chilly_room.jpg