Need help my water cooling setup

[TurK-FX]

Hi, guys finally i finished my researches and find the appropriate parts. But it is going to be my first water cooling project. SO i am not sure if i am prepared enough.

My spec
Intel Q6600
radeon 4870 x2 and 4870 1gb(4870 x3)
Biostar Tpower I45 motherboard
Antec Twelvehundred
800w BFG power supply
1tb hitachi hdd
4gb OCZ SLI-ready memory
Creative 7.1 fatality pro sound

I want to over clock my CPU to at least 3.6
And i wonder do i really need water cooling for my Video Cards? I overclocked them to core clock850 and memory clock 950. They run around 60-65C under load. If i can save from cpu water blocks it would be really nice for me. My biggest issue to pick right waterblock for my northbridge.

Cooling stuff list
Swiftech MCRES-MICRO REV2 Clear HI-FLOW Water Cooling Reservoir 3/8IN & 1/2IN Barb Fittings

Swiftech 1/2IN OD Chrome Plated G1/4 Compatible Barb Fittings 1/4 BSPP (Set of Two)

Swiftech APOGEE GTZ LGA775 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Barb Fittings

Swiftech MCW30 Chipset Waterblock for Most AMD & Intel Motherboards 1/2IN &3/8IN Barbs

Swiftech MCP655 12V Industrial Water Cooling Pump 1/2IN Barbs

Danger Den DD-4870-X2 Full Cover X-FIRE Ready Video Card Water Block for Radeon 4870 X2 1/2IN Barbs

Danger Den DD-4870 Full Cover X-FIRE Ready Video Card Water Block for Radeon HD 4870 1/2IN Barbs

Swiftech MCB-120 Radbox Revision 2 Black

Swiftech Hydrx Water Additive Coolant 2 oz Bottle x2

Danger Den Delrin Fillport W/ Wrench

4" UV SENSITIVE Blue Tie wrap x20

ClearFLEX 60 Tubing 1/2" ID / 5/8" OD 10 feet

1/2" T Line for 1/2" ID Tubing - Black

Swiftech MCR320-QP-K Triple 120mm Radiator

my question is -> is there anything i am missing?
i use tiewrap instead of hose clamp is it ok? or i should use hose clamp?
in the futer or now can i add another triple radiator to increase the performance?
Do i need power supply bypass adaptor?

And most important question is this chipset waterblock compatible with my motherboard(biostar Tpower I45)?


i ordere 2 pair barb fitting do i need them? do i need even more? is there anything here i dont need?



i ordere 2 pair barb fitting do i need them? do i need even more? is there anything here i dont need?

or i should just buy this kit Asetek KT12A-12VX and add 4870x2 water block(and mybe another radiator?)? it comes to cheaper.

My custom kit cost around $500 or is there any other good kit that i can mod it accordingly to my system?

[Xeon th MG Pony]

bounce for being in right forum.

[TurK-FX]

bounce for being in right forum.

I am in right forum but still no answer. dont know what i did wrong.I ordered the parts anyway but i see all other mesages getting responded but mine.

[Conumdrum]

No hurry, peeps will respond when they want to. Your message header is rather vauge, many here don't read or reply to such, they have moved past such entry level stuff. This is XS, not Toms Hardware forums. No worries, you will get what help you need.

Why the odd liquid? Distilled water and a few drops of biocide is all you need.

And you might not have enough radiator for all of that. I know for sure your CPU temps will suffer badly unless your running pretty much stock. You might want to think of having TWO fully seperate loops, a 120x3 rad for the GPU's. Meaning rad/pump/res/hose JUST for the GPU's. And a 120x2 or 120x3 for the CPU/NB with it's own loop.

That single rad will be able to pull 400 watts of heat or so. Your creating 500 watts of heat in a single loop or close to it at stock settings.

Otherwise, good selection of parts.

[FrostyPanda]

Don't be discouraged that we didn't answer your post, but next time just make it as short as possible. Don't include the entire name of the part with the size of threads and fittings and such (i.e., Swiftech Apogee GTZ instead of Swiftech APOGEE GTZ LGA775 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Barb Fittings). We're all experienced with the parts so just shorten it up for us :up:.I don't know about others, but when I see a long post I usually hit the back button because I get intimidated by long posts :rofl:.

Anyways....I know you ordered the parts, but the only thing I would suggest is to buy an aftermarket top for your mcp655. Costs about 20 bucks and gives a huge increase.

Also, you will need some really high power fans to cool all of that. The 4870x2 is a BEAST of a heat-dumper and the 4870 isn't too far behind. The MCR320 is a dense radiator so higher pressure fans will do you well. I recommend either these (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa2.html) or these (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12trblvehi.html).

Lastly... if you have the space in your case, I would separate the q6600 from the gfx cards. Both those together will murder your temps and you may get worse than if on air. Quad cores dump a ton and if you really want to get to 3.6 you need everything you can get. If you go this way, go get yourself another mcr320 and another mcp655 to pump it because you'll also get some nasty flowrates with all of those blocks on one.

:welcome: to XS!!!

Sorry for the hyprocritically long reply...

[exemay]

a little note on cooling the 4870x2, its an imense graphics card that generates alot of heat, and after a while it will make alot of noise under load.
and id agree with frostypanda in sugesting running it in a seperate loop from you cpu and chipset cooling as the oc'ing you q6600 to 3.6 will cause a big heat dump into your loop, team that up with the heat dump form the 4870's, it wont be as effective as cooling it with two loops

hope this helped

[TurK-FX]

Don't be discouraged that we didn't answer your post, but next time just make it as short as possible. Don't include the entire name of the part with the size of threads and fittings and such (i.e., Swiftech Apogee GTZ instead of Swiftech APOGEE GTZ LGA775 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Barb Fittings). We're all experienced with the parts so just shorten it up for us :up:.I don't know about others, but when I see a long post I usually hit the back button because I get intimidated by long posts :rofl:.

Anyways....I know you ordered the parts, but the only thing I would suggest is to buy an aftermarket top for your mcp655. Costs about 20 bucks and gives a huge increase.

Also, you will need some really high power fans to cool all of that. The 4870x2 is a BEAST of a heat-dumper and the 4870 isn't too far behind. The MCR320 is a dense radiator so higher pressure fans will do you well. I recommend either these (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa2.html) or these (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12trblvehi.html).

Lastly... if you have the space in your case, I would separate the q6600 from the gfx cards. Both those together will murder your temps and you may get worse than if on air. Quad cores dump a ton and if you really want to get to 3.6 you need everything you can get. If you go this way, go get yourself another mcr320 and another mcp655 to pump it because you'll also get some nasty flowrates with all of those blocks on one.

:welcome: to XS!!!

Sorry for the hyprocritically long reply...

i have 2 delta 120mm fan 4000rpm 152cfm is it enough?

[TurK-FX]

Don't be discouraged that we didn't answer your post, but next time just make it as short as possible. Don't include the entire name of the part with the size of threads and fittings and such (i.e., Swiftech Apogee GTZ instead of Swiftech APOGEE GTZ LGA775 CPU Water Block G1/4 Chrome HI-FLOW 1/2IN Barb Fittings). We're all experienced with the parts so just shorten it up for us :up:.I don't know about others, but when I see a long post I usually hit the back button because I get intimidated by long posts :rofl:.

Anyways....I know you ordered the parts, but the only thing I would suggest is to buy an aftermarket top for your mcp655. Costs about 20 bucks and gives a huge increase.

Also, you will need some really high power fans to cool all of that. The 4870x2 is a BEAST of a heat-dumper and the 4870 isn't too far behind. The MCR320 is a dense radiator so higher pressure fans will do you well. I recommend either these (http://www.petrastechshop.com/12yalod1cafa2.html) or these (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12trblvehi.html).

Lastly... if you have the space in your case, I would separate the q6600 from the gfx cards. Both those together will murder your temps and you may get worse than if on air. Quad cores dump a ton and if you really want to get to 3.6 you need everything you can get. If you go this way, go get yourself another mcr320 and another mcp655 to pump it because you'll also get some nasty flowrates with all of those blocks on one.

:welcome: to XS!!!

Sorry for the hyprocritically long reply...

i changed the radiator to Feser X-Changer (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fexqu4xexper.html)
and i have 2 delta 120mm 4000rpm 152 cfm fan is it enough for radiator cooling?

[Conumdrum]

The link is broke. And changing the rad isn't going to help. You NEED two loops. HS fans don't overcome the law of physics.

[TurK-FX]

The link is broke. And changing the rad isn't going to help. You NEED two loops. HS fans don't overcome the law of physics.

i have antec twelve hundred.i dont think i can fit even 1 rad inside so it is going to be really hard to put 2 rad.i may fit 1 120mmdouble rad thoug.

so i dont know how to 2 loop. do i need to buy rad-pump and rezorvoir? can i buy pump/resorvoir combo like this one (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=367&products_id=23046&zenid=fe57dce8d6763e9f507870ccd7ae9513) or this one (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=367&products_id=23064&zenid=fe57dce8d6763e9f507870ccd7ae9513)?

[Conumdrum]

Hiyas. It doesn't matter if it will fit. For the parts you want to cool you will need this much watercooling parts, the law of physics cannot be overcome. No matter what you say or wish, no genie will pop out of the bottle and make it all good.

For the CPU/NB
ONE 120x2 sized rad
pump
resiviour
CPU block
NB block
Hose
fans
clamps
etc.

For the TWO 4870 x2 GPUs
At LEAST a 120x3 sized rad
pump
resiviour
TWO GPU blocks
Hose
fans
clamps
etc.

Thats TWO completely seperate loops, nothing from one loop will touch the other. The 1200 ain't gonna hold half of it. You'd be smart to look at a case from Moutain Mods, should be under $400 I think..........

It's a BIG undertaking to do this in water your first time. REALLY REALLY big. You sure you just don't want to do the CPU loop first and learn for a while? It took me 3 months to learn what to even buy and install.

[TurK-FX]

Hiyas. It doesn't matter if it will fit. For the parts you want to cool you will need this much watercooling parts, the law of physics cannot be overcome. No matter what you say or wish, no genie will pop out of the bottle and make it all good.

For the CPU/NB
ONE 120x2 sized rad
pump
resiviour
CPU block
NB block
Hose
fans
clamps
etc.

For the TWO 4870 x2 GPUs
At LEAST a 120x3 sized rad
pump
resiviour
TWO GPU blocks
Hose
fans
clamps
etc.

Thats TWO completely seperate loops, nothing from one loop will touch the other. The 1200 ain't gonna hold half of it. You'd be smart to look at a case from Moutain Mods, should be under $400 I think..........

It's a BIG undertaking to do this in water your first time. REALLY REALLY big. You sure you just don't want to do the CPU loop first and learn for a while? It took me 3 months to learn what to even buy and install.


ok which one should i buy. i have $450 budged with shipping included. but i dont know how mod it. what is good for 2 loop? can you help me with that?

should i buy those ufo things or buy regular but with lots of space case? can i easly install the radiator and all other stuff in the case?

[Conumdrum]

Methinks you should spend a few days if not weeks learning about watercooling first.

Here is a cut n paste of a post I did a while back.

Welcome to a nice place. We will help you to the 'T' but we hopefully expect you will take the time and learn all the issues involved with water-cooling a PC. We'll need some info.

Your budget, what you want to cool on the PC, your case you plan to use, and your tolerance for noise.

What I suggest you do is PLEASE read all the stickies here and at the sites I list later in this post. I also suggest you read the last 30 threads at each of these sites each and every post, no matter if it has 150 posts. There is really a lot to learn.

If your a PC hobby person and have built a few PCs, put on aftermarket air cooling on the CPU and GPU etc etc. You'll do fine. Meaning you understand the difference between idle and load temps, use temp monitoring software like Realtemp and Orthos and Furmark to load up your CPU/GPU. Have experienced the different ways to place fans in the case and realize the need for good case wire management.

If that's you, man this should be easy. If most of that just flew by, we'll still help, but it will be harder on both of us (you and the members here).

There is no 'brand'. There are great parts made by quality manufacturers we recognize as leaders. Then it is your budget. Then it is the amount of wattage you need to dissipate depending on your CPU and whatever else you want to cool. Then it's do you mind loud fans or want a more quiet system. Then your case and it you mind a 2' radiator hanging outside of your case.

And lots more. It's not that hard, many come and ask after 2-3 months of learning even before they ask. They have a parts list kinda made, we guide them and blam, 3 weeks later they post happy pics and smiles and thanks. Some.... well it doesn't go so well. They buy crap and need to start all over again. Or they have massive issues like a bad $300 broken GPU due to a leak and then need help, they didn't follow, for example, a simple rule we all adhere to in water-cooling because we read and learned.

It's not really that hard, and the results if done right are easy, quiet, and spectacular. Worth the $$ if you have the $$. Otherwise, there are great air solutions for under half the price. Temps WILL be lower on good water, it just costs more.

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word water-cool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
The best link to explain what parts you’ll need
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t282232.html

Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/

[TurK-FX]

Methinks you should spend a few days if not weeks learning about watercooling first.

Here is a cut n paste of a post I did a while back.

Welcome to a nice place. We will help you to the 'T' but we hopefully expect you will take the time and learn all the issues involved with water-cooling a PC. We'll need some info.

Your budget, what you want to cool on the PC, your case you plan to use, and your tolerance for noise.

What I suggest you do is PLEASE read all the stickies here and at the sites I list later in this post. I also suggest you read the last 30 threads at each of these sites each and every post, no matter if it has 150 posts. There is really a lot to learn.

If your a PC hobby person and have built a few PCs, put on aftermarket air cooling on the CPU and GPU etc etc. You'll do fine. Meaning you understand the difference between idle and load temps, use temp monitoring software like Realtemp and Orthos and Furmark to load up your CPU/GPU. Have experienced the different ways to place fans in the case and realize the need for good case wire management.

If that's you, man this should be easy. If most of that just flew by, we'll still help, but it will be harder on both of us (you and the members here).

There is no 'brand'. There are great parts made by quality manufacturers we recognize as leaders. Then it is your budget. Then it is the amount of wattage you need to dissipate depending on your CPU and whatever else you want to cool. Then it's do you mind loud fans or want a more quiet system. Then your case and it you mind a 2' radiator hanging outside of your case.

And lots more. It's not that hard, many come and ask after 2-3 months of learning even before they ask. They have a parts list kinda made, we guide them and blam, 3 weeks later they post happy pics and smiles and thanks. Some.... well it doesn't go so well. They buy crap and need to start all over again. Or they have massive issues like a bad $300 broken GPU due to a leak and then need help, they didn't follow, for example, a simple rule we all adhere to in water-cooling because we read and learned.

It's not really that hard, and the results if done right are easy, quiet, and spectacular. Worth the $$ if you have the $$. Otherwise, there are great air solutions for under half the price. Temps WILL be lower on good water, it just costs more.

I'll steer you to some more technical links, please spend a few days (DAYS) reading posts, searching, learning. Don't forget to look for your case with WC. Google your case and the word water-cool or some combination of that. WC stuff is larger than you think, I know from experience. WC setups done right are awesome and almost silent.

Great place, not wayyy over the top with uber WC guys.
http://www.ocforums.com/index.php
Uber place, owned by one of the worlds winning OC guys in the world. Not a place to post or ask questions by noobs, but an awesome place to learn.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/
Another good place to learn
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/
The best link to explain what parts you’ll need
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/t282232.html

Great places to buy WC stuff
http://www.dangerden.com/index.php [...] e&Itemid=1
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/


i already spent 2 weeks on xtremesystem and extremeoverclocking. i read everything on "Water Cooling Buyers Parts Guide". Thats why i made a mistake on the case because everybody was talking about coolermaster haf or Antec twelve hundred. I never seen that mountain mods web site on the forums. the only thing i want to make sure to get a case that i can easily install radiator/reservoir/pump.

i am ex computer tech and currently studying on computer engineering. so i have some knowledge already.

i dont care about noise.

i already decided about the parts but i was wondering if i was missing anything. I ordered them but my order cancel due to insufficient balance. Also i have a buyer for my computer so i am thinking to sell everything and start from scratch. Because my psu has really short cables and not enough molex connector, case was a wrong choice.

anyway if i sell the computer i buy sometime to study on details and decide what to do.

[TurK-FX]

Actually i have an idea if i sell my current system i have another spare one sitting in the closet. gateway motherboard, p4 631 3Ghz cpu, 2gb non dual channel ram radeon 3850 vga. so i can try my first water cooling on this system and if i succeed i would buy new parts if i fail i would learn from my mistakes.

[chris.y2k.r1]

Yo - Comeundone.. or whatever your name is... Right or wrong, you seriously need to work on your tact - Brother ;)

:D

[Conumdrum]

Thanks chris. I appreciate your input on that. I'll keep helping him with info, and you can chime in too. :D

To the OP: Okay, now we know you know quite a bit about PC's, we can continue.

If your final build is to go big with what you originally want to cool, then yea, why not go big on the case now. Just do the CPU loop to start with for now, the GPU cards would be fine on air until your ready to add a second loop. A CPU loop would be a great start.

Or, you could cool the one you mentioned in your last post. Up to you. I wouldn't practice on it, more trouble than it's worth, and you'll spend more to modify it later for your main rig.