Monsta Sighting!!!

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

... a swiftech version :shocked:

108mm thick and 410mm long, fits in almost any case with 10 5.25" bays!!!
and MSRP is only 118.95 !!!!!!

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/1074/perma26ix5.jpg

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6326/perma27tu9.jpg


take that :shoot:Feser:explode2:

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

LOL, exactly and well illustrated:up: I wonder if just just stacking the rads together and putting the fans on one side or the other pushing or pulling makes a difference. But I guess it would make connecting the to rads much less easy.

andyc

not to mention the part where with 2 separate rads you can reverse the flow so to speak so that the warm water in the first rad is getting hit by the warmer air from the out side of the fan. then the cooler water goes to the cooler side of the rad and still has sufficient air-water delta to cool the water more.

illustrated by my image here:

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8517/mcr320xn8.png

I promise you I will have epic cpu temps :up: :D

if only I had an RD-30....

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Is ther enough room between the two rads to get a couple of BP rotary 90's on for inlet and outlet? Seems like there is. Be interesting to see some testing on how much the 2nd rad improves temps over just one rad. I thought I remembered seeing something a while back, but not sure.

andyc

I plan on using rotary 45's, they should arrive wednesday so I will have detailed pics on how everything goes together in my worklog :up:

[CedricFP]

Wow, this looks great. Keep s posted :D

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Cool. Do you think the 45's angle away enough from the tanks to clear and allow for tubing to connect.*snip*

Be fun to experiement with though just to see what if any difference it made. Interesting stuff Snipe.

andyc

tru, possibly I will need a 90 or a non rotary 45, we will see.



experimenting is exactly what I will be doing in the next few days. dual rad vs single rad testing when I am doing my mini review of the p45 T3RS
(mind you I will be at ~0C in my garage when doing this testing ;))

[exe163]

How do you manage to get the screws in?

[MomijiTMO]

Right angle Philips adapters.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

10 5.25 bays I have 12 of them that leaves only 2 left for dvd drives.........ghhez.......where am I gonna put my hard drive left.....

[Aqua-Pc's]

MM make hard drive racks that fit to anything with 120mm fan holes fans / rads etc :rolleyes:

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Right angle Philips adapters.

righto you are, right angle philisps screwdriver I got from Home Depot

I also am considerign uing hex cap M3.5 screws which would allow me to use a trimmed alan wrench :up:

[breathemetal]

That thing is a beast! hell, if i got that forget using 2 rads id just throw it all in one loop!

[DarthBeavis]

I guess now I have to get two Feser Monsta rads and sammich them to make an uber sammich rad? 100MM + 100MM + a 25MM fan in between? Would that be SLI'd Monstahs?

[Polizei]

I guess now I have to get two Feser Monsta rads and sammich them to make an uber sammich rad? 100MM + 100MM + a 25MM fan in between? Would that be SLI'd Monstahs?

250mm? That's like 9 solid inches of radiator and fan. :rofl:

[Sparky]

I guess now I have to get two Feser Monsta rads and sammich them to make an uber sammich rad? 100MM + 100MM + a 25MM fan in between? Would that be SLI'd Monstahs?

Don't think a 25mm fan would have enough pressure to handle all that. You'd need this:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidewindercomputers/gfb1212vhw.jpg

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12gf.html

76mm thick, dual motor counter-rotating blades.

Of course, that would also mean the whole thing would be 276mm thick :eek:

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

I love that there are 3 san aces sitting on it. Makes me want to upgrade.

Swiftec needs a 120mm to 140mm converter for both the fans and rear exhaust to mount it!

[Metric]

not to mention the part where with 2 separate rads you can reverse the flow so to speak so that the warm water in the first rad is getting hit by the warmer air from the out side of the fan. then the cooler water goes to the cooler side of the rad and still has sufficient air-water delta to cool the water more.

I promise you I will have epic cpu temps :up: :D

if only I had an RD-30....
Nice idea Sniipe, I was thinking about this: Would using 2 T-line connectors to run basically a single pass but through both radiators at the same time help with temps or would your method be better? :shrug:

[DarthBeavis]

Don't think a 25mm fan would have enough pressure to handle all that. You'd need this:

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/sidewindercomputers/gfb1212vhw.jpg

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de12gf.html

76mm thick, dual motor counter-rotating blades.

Of course, that would also mean the whole thing would be 276mm thick :eek:
I would buy some of those if they had LEDS

[HotGore]

I would buy some of those if they had LEDS

All you have to say is counter rotating blades and people will :banana::banana::banana::banana: bricks.

[andersson.j]

Perhaps hwlabs xflow rads would make something like this easier?
https://ssl.coolinglab.co.jp/images/medium/rd_blackice/GTS120XF_MED.jpg

[aspire.comptech]

Perhaps hwlabs xflow rads would make something like this easier?
https://ssl.coolinglab.co.jp/images/medium/rd_blackice/GTS120XF_MED.jpg

How...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Nice idea Sniipe, I was thinking about this: Would using 2 T-line connectors to run basically a single pass but through both radiators at the same time help with temps or would your method be better? :shrug:

not sure about performance, but the logistics of getting male to male fittings plus a t housing that would fit just right between the 38mm fans would be a nightmare...

you would probably need a custom BP rotary with two males and one female, specifically designed to fit (Hint Hint, Vincent:hehe: )

[andersson.j]

How...
As you can see in SNiiPE_DoGGs picture it´s very tight at the inlet/outlet area.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8517/mcr320xn8.png
With xflow rads you would get twice as much room in this area.

Another idéa just hit me, two sandwiched PA160s with shrouds would be awesome! :rofl:

[aspire.comptech]

As you can see in SNiiPE_DoGGs picture it´s very tight at the inlet/outlet area.

With xflow rads you would get twice as much room in this area.

Another idéa just hit me, two sandwiched PA160s with shrouds would be awesome! :rofl:

You don't get any more room in the dimension that matters.

Sure you would have a fair bit wider space but the part that makes this difficult is the small space between them.

Running 2 X-Flows would just mean you would have the two holes facing each-other at opposite ends.

[andersson.j]

You don't get any more room in the dimension that matters.

Sure you would have a fair bit wider space but the part that makes this difficult is the small space between them.

Running 2 X-Flows would just mean you would have the two holes facing each-other at opposite ends.
Really? I don't think the barbs will face each other with xflow rads. Heres a quick pic with PA160s:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/339/pasandwichvw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Perhaps I'm just understanding you wrong?

[MpG]

What about these (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=239&cat=95&page=1) Delrin T's, coupled with some G1/4 Male-male connectors, with 38mm fans between the two rads? Maybe a couple silicone vibration absorbers on each side of each fan, to get a few extra mm of spacing?

[andersson.j]

Or perhaps these (http://www.aquatuning.de/product_info.php/info/p4418_Universal-G1-4--connector-piece-4-way-nickel-coated.html) nickel plated brass 4-way connections with a plug and a couple of Bitspower Shining G 1/4 Silver D-Plug Set for Direct Connection #BP-WTP-C07 (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/bishg14sidse.html). Probably still to wide though...

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

What about these (http://www.dangerden.com/store/product.php?productid=239&cat=95&page=1) Delrin T's, coupled with some G1/4 Male-male connectors, with 38mm fans between the two rads? Maybe a couple silicone vibration absorbers on each side of each fan, to get a few extra mm of spacing?

its possible, I have one of those T's and I put it in between the ports and you hav e a few mm of clearance between the rads and the T. the only thing I would worry about is finding a male-to-male that have the right loerance to work correctly.

personally I think the method I am doing will perform better that a parallel setup because with less expansion of volume the velocity stays better on the fluid. then were getting into the debate about whether low-flow high flow is better. convetionally its the latter but we will see wont we? :up: setting up my ghetto test bench now. my worklog will have pics of the bench up in a few mins and the results for single rad should be in in a few hours if all goes well. :up:

[aspire.comptech]

Really? I don't think the barbs will face each other with xflow rads. Heres a quick pic with PA160s:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/339/pasandwichvw6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Perhaps I'm just understanding you wrong?

Didn't think it would work out that way...

Anyways, they aren't as good as MCR rads and you'd need way more fan to push through two BIP or BIX rads.

[Vapor]

Those are PA160s in that diagram :p:

That'd probably be the ultimate single fan setup :eek:

[andersson.j]

I remember people saying that stacking rads/fans isn't good for some reason. Do you have a theory why it will work or are you just going to test it and let the results speak for themselves?

Damn SNiiPE, I have exams in a couple of days but this is just so much more fun than FEM.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

If you stack them, the air from the radiator w/ the air being pulled through it will heat and negtively effect the air being pushed through the 2nd rad. The 2nd rad will not has as much of a heat dump... in theory. If the air is moving at a certain speed, I wouldn't see this as a problem, but it depends on static pressure, CFM and how much noise you can put up with.

[Vapor]

HESMeLaugh already showed it worked well :confused:

Probably not as good as two separate installations of radiators, but if it's the best you can fit in your space, then it's better than just 1 :)

Basically, at most airflow levels we use, 1 rad doesn't saturate the air's potential to remove heat from the loop. So adding another radiator gets closer to that potential without adding additional airflow (which means increased space requirements or noise) :)

[andersson.j]

Then two stacked radiators would always be better than one. Maybe not better than two radiators both getting fresh air, but that would require a lot more space.

SNiiPEs results will be very interesting. I'd like to see some extensive calculations/test results of exactly how much air/water flow and temperature affects performance of stacked vs. separated radiators.

[DarthBeavis]

It would be cool to get uber performance from less expensive rads like swiftech

[MpG]

Then two stacked radiators would always be better than one. Maybe not better than two radiators both getting fresh air, but that would require a lot more space.
Not always. At some point, the additional restriction of both the airflow and water will begin to hurt cooling. But yeah, that's going to vary depending on both fans, radiators, and flow, and HESmeLaugh's testing demonstrated that two rads isn't enough to hit that point.

[Vapor]

Yeah, it really only has the potential to hurt at exceedingly low airflow and liquid flow levels. It's cost/space effectiveness is probably also minimal at low flow levels. At the airflow and liquid flow levels XSers run though, it's almost always sure to help (except in the cases where the loop is already over-radiatored and over-pumped :p: ).

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Then two stacked radiators would always be better than one. Maybe not better than two radiators both getting fresh air, but that would require a lot more space.

SNiiPEs results will be very interesting. I'd like to see some extensive calculations/test results of exactly how much air/water flow and temperature affects performance of stacked vs. separated radiators.

Sorry, I dont have flow meters or very good temp sensors. I will be operating on a pure CPU temp analysis based test. I will have a good ambient measurement but that's all I can provide.


Test bench pics are up NOW, see them and the rest of my log HERE (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3499508#post3499508)

[gabe]

... a swiftech version :shocked:

108mm thick and 410mm long, fits in almost any case with 10 5.25" bays!!!
and MSRP is only 118.95 !!!!!!


BTW the "stackable" rads are being made. But since they will ship ocean, you are looking at 12 weeks before they come in. 120mm, 220mm, and 320mm versions will be available.

MCR120-QPS
MCR220-QPS
MCR320-QPS

[Vapor]

I'm a fan of my MCR-220 Res + MCR-320 sandwich :cool:

Can't wait :D

[fatguy1992]

Looks awesome, would it be possible to put fans - rad - fans - rad - fans? I hope that makes sense.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Looks awesome, would it be possible to put fans - rad - fans - rad - fans? I hope that makes sense.

anything is possible with a beefy enough fan controller and some earmuffs ;)

[fatguy1992]

anything is possible with a beefy enough fan controller and some earmuffs ;)

Awesome, I'm thinking about making water cooling my next upgrade :).

[Vapor]

You can only bring water temps down so much.....:rolleyes:

[fatguy1992]

You can only bring water temps down so much.....:rolleyes:

So it wouldn't help?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

You can only bring water temps down so much.....:rolleyes:

ya, but when I open the sliding door in my photo studio here it brings water temps down nice and low :P New England FTW

[Vapor]

So it wouldn't help?

Lowering your ambient would help a heck of a lot more probably. Water-out to air-in deltas are already pretty darn low, that much airflow really won't help appreciably unless you have a massive heatdump into the loop.

At this point, it's about getting temps lower without increasing noise or getting noise lower without increasing temps ;) Excessive airflow will hopefully become a thing of the past.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Lowering your ambient would help a heck of a lot more probably. Water-out to air-in deltas are already pretty darn low, that much airflow really won't help appreciably unless you have a massive heatdump into the loop.

At this point, it's about getting temps lower without increasing noise or getting noise lower without increasing temps ;) Excessive airflow will hopefully become a thing of the past.

I havent tested yet with both rads on there, but my hope is that the rads will act as mufflers for the fans :yepp: it makes sense to me at least...

[fatguy1992]

Lowering your ambient would help a heck of a lot more probably. Water-out to air-in deltas are already pretty darn low, that much airflow really won't help appreciably unless you have a massive heatdump into the loop.

At this point, it's about getting temps lower without increasing noise or getting noise lower without increasing temps ;) Excessive airflow will hopefully become a thing of the past.

Ok thanks, I don't know that much about water cooling.

[Vapor]

I havent tested yet with both rads on there, but my hope is that the rads will act as mufflers for the fans :yepp: it makes sense to me at least...Yeah, MCRs muffle the noise slightly on my sandwich.

My two San Ace H1011s in the sandwich are arguably less obtrusive than the single one outside of the sandwich. :p:

My sandwich isn't a 24/7 thing though, just a toy :)

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

here you go Gabe :up:

http://www.behardware.com/articles/736-1/report-4-radeon-hd-4870s-versus-3-geforce-gtx-280s.html

[gabe]

here you go Gabe :up:

http://www.behardware.com/articles/736-1/report-4-radeon-hd-4870s-versus-3-geforce-gtx-280s.html

excellent article. thank you, but sadly our 4870 is a 512Mb version, so it appears that adding it to this particular system will be counterproductive. Oh well, there is always another build...

[DonFaygo]

If your worried about noise, wrap the outer layer of the sandwhich with sound deadening. Once my second v2110 arrives, ones going to house a DD unit and the other will house a sandwich just like you have. Except I will be using the 76mm thick delta, as I feel the need for overkill.

Also wouldn't adding fans to the underside help and turn it to a push - pull - push setup to keep air flow optimal. Granted you might not have ample space for that in the p-80

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

If your worried about noise, wrap the outer layer of the sandwhich with sound deadening. Once my second v2110 arrives, ones going to house a DD unit and the other will house a sandwich just like you have. Except I will be using the 76mm thick delta, as I feel the need for overkill.

Also wouldn't adding fans to the underside help and turn it to a push - pull - push setup to keep air flow optimal. Granted you might not have ample space for that in the p-80

you've never used denkis have you? ;)

[aspire.comptech]

BTW the "stackable" rads are being made. But since they will ship ocean, you are looking at 12 weeks before they come in. 120mm, 220mm, and 320mm versions will be available.

MCR120-QPS
MCR220-QPS
MCR320-QPS

So are these going to have an inlet and outlet port on each side?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

BTW the "stackable" rads are being made. But since they will ship ocean, you are looking at 12 weeks before they come in. 120mm, 220mm, and 320mm versions will be available.

MCR120-QPS
MCR220-QPS
MCR320-QPS

damn I completely missed this post!

can I get a trade in possibly for being the first to conceptualize this (i think)? :D

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

so no testing so far guys, my system wont install any version of windows and I think its a motherboard issue

support thread here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=211107

[DarthBeavis]

stackable rads, sweet idea. I hope that becomes a standard like 15mm fan spacing and G 1/4 fittings (well, for companies that give enough a damn about the consumer to adopt a standard).

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

stackable rads, sweet idea. I hope that becomes a standard like 15mm fan spacing and G 1/4 fittings (well, for companies that give enough a damn about the consumer to adopt a standard).

fact

[CedricFP]

I can't wait for the single 120mm stackables.

[DonFaygo]

you've never used denkis have you? ;)

Lol, nope, dont even knwo what they are!!!

[gabe]

So are these going to have an inlet and outlet port on each side?

Yes

[gabe]

damn I completely missed this post!

can I get a trade in possibly for being the first to conceptualize this (i think)? :D

yeah, I was surprised when I saw no reaction from you on that..

review sample: give us a complete review, and we'll see what we can do..

but it's another few weeks before these come in..so no reason to get all excited until they are here.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

yeah, I was surprised when I saw no reaction from you on that..

review sample: give us a complete review, and we'll see what we can do..

but it's another few weeks before these come in..so no reason to get all excited until they are here.

I will have crystal fontz with DTS by then so I would be happy to do a full review for you :up:

[Serpentarius]

now this rocks!!

[fatguy1992]

Would this rad be good?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5946/ex-rad-123/MagiCool_XTREME_Nova_1080_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s 667

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Would this rad be good?

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/5946/ex-rad-123/MagiCool_XTREME_Nova_1080_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s 667

ummm spam? no its not a good rad at all....magicool makes some of the worst rads available

[fatguy1992]

ummm spam? no its not a good rad at all....magicool makes some of the worst rads available

Sorry didn't mean to spam, I didn't think it needed its own theard, so I thought i'd just ask in here. Anyway thanks for ur response.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Sorry didn't mean to spam, I didn't think it needed its own theard, so I thought i'd just ask in here. Anyway thanks for ur response.

sure thing :up: I understand now :)

[hoodlikegaza]

interesting