AMD Phenom II/Athlon(new) launch dates

[Shintai]

Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz 8MB Deneb AM3 Apr, 2009
Phenom II X4 940 3.0GHz 8MB Deneb AM2+ 8th, Jan
Phenom II X4 925 2.8GHz 8MB Deneb AM3 Feb, 2009
Phenom II X4 920 2.8GHz 8MB Deneb AM2+ 8th, Jan
Phenom II X4 910 2.6GHz 8MB Deneb AM3 Feb, 2009
Phenom II X4 810 2.6GHz 6MB Deneb AM3 Feb, 2009
Phenom II X4 805 2.5GHz 6MB Deneb AM3 Feb, 2009
Phenom II X3 720 2.8GHz 7.5MB Heka AM3 Feb, 2009
Phenom II X3 710 2.6GHz 7.5MB Heka AM3 Feb, 2009
Athlon X4 615 2.7GHz 2MB Propus AM3 Apr, 2009
Athlon X4 605 2.5GHz 2MB Propus AM3 Apr, 2009
Athlon X3 420 2.8GHz 1.5MB Rana AM3 Apr, 2009
Athlon X3 410 2.6GHz 1.5MB Rana AM3 Apr, 2009
Athlon X2 240 2.8GHz 2MB Regor AM3 Jun, 2009
Athlon X2 235 2.7GHz 2Mb Regor AM3 Jun, 2009


http://www.hkepc.com/2044

[Quest_7F]

:) wish prices were in there too. Is there any idea how much the 810 and 805 will be?

[[XC] gomeler]

Feb for the earliest AM3 chips, not too bad. Really need that 945 though or a black edition :D

[Sparky]

So most of the phenom II AM3 chips are slated for February except for the 945. Is the 945 a BE? The 925 I'm pretty sure isn't.

Thanks for the info!

[SKYMTL]

Just remember: "launch" does not mean "availability".

[Helmore]

So I assume the Athlon name will be used for chips that do not have an L3 cache. Then that mean the Athlon dual core chip will have 1 MB of L2 cache per core, if my assumption is correct. They haven't had 1 MB of L2 cache for a while, so it seems as a bit of a surprise to see it back all of a sudden.

[Slovnaft]

holy late launch batman!

[Sparky]

holy late launch batman!

What's so late about it? Just as they said, most in Jan and Feb, with the lower end chips coming a couple months later :shrug:

[Slovnaft]

referring to April on the highend AM3 chip.

[[XC] Synthetickiller]

AM2+ 2.8 & 3.0 ghz goodness in January.

Is anyone else going the AM2+ route or is everyone going AM3 this time around?

[Calmatory]

What's so late about it? Just as they said, most in Jan and Feb, with the lower end chips coming a couple months later :shrug:If they got these out just few months(I know it is a lot, but still) they could've possibly beaten Intel for a short period of time.

However, looking forward to these with big interest. :)

[Rammsteiner]

Synthetickiller;3466990']AM2+ 2.8 & 3.0 ghz goodness in January.

Is anyone else going the AM2+ route or is everyone going AM3 this time around?
Having AM2+ in pre-order the day it was possible;)

Im holding off from the AM3 platform for various reasons. I want to look from a distance what motherboards there will come, how and when RD890 chipset is available and again what motherboards are for that.

Thus far Deneb in general is a huge improvement over Agena, so Im more than happy to finally have it, no matter if it's AM2+ or AM3. Also I didnt like changing to DDR2 from DDR, so I dont like moving to DDR3. I will do it, actually Ill have to do it, but Im not jumping to get it ASAP.

Anyway, also cool to see Athlon gets back again. Phenom (II) seems to be the super parts where as Athlon seem to be budget version, not worth the Phenom name?

I do hope Phenom II 920/940 are avialable right away. There's a few stories certain groups doubt the availability but it's actually a small group saying this and no official statements. Although I doubt AMD would confirm it:p: Anyway, Shanghai actually was faster than planned, so I see less reasons why Deneb would be delayed by like 2 months. I'd more suspect certain shops already have it in stock than that pre-orders are going to take 3 months from now, but who am I to be sure about that:rolleyes:

[chew*]

No updated news on these chips?

3250e /2650e

[[XC] hipno650]

so no more December launch? that's to bad. these could make some really nice budget rigs depending on pricing.

[v_rr]

hipno650;3467318']so no more December launch? that's to bad. these could make some really nice budget rigs depending on pricing.

AMD always stated January ;)

[chew*]

AMD always stated January ;)

Not for these.

3250e /2650e

2650e was supposed to be out already and 3250e was supposed to be released november.

[Cooper]

Not for these.

3250e /2650e

2650e was supposed to be out already and 3250e was supposed to be released november.

these are for oem market only

[Brother Esau]

You will not see those chips until Middle of February:D

[Spectrobozo]

I'm curious to see the performance and power consumption of the propus (without l3), and of course the price.

[Rammsteiner]

You will not see those chips until Middle of February:D
What chips:eek:

[Brother Esau]

What chips:eek:

The January Release Chips. Sorry for invoking Fear in you:ROTF:

[Rammsteiner]

The January Release Chips. Sorry for invoking Fear in you:ROTF:
I hate you:(

I want the chips at damn launch:shrug:

[Ghostbuster]

AM3 in Feb? Where are those AM3 boards? Should've beem some signs of them by now... :confused:

[informal]

Well AM3 can fit in AM2+ so boards are not needed :D.Anyhow,the AM3 boards are scheduled for April IIRC(not the 1st i hope :p:)..

[Hornet331]

AM3 in Feb? Where are those AM3 boards? Should've beem some signs of them by now... :confused:

Na, there is still time, i7 boards also where listed at shops 3 weeks befor i7 launch.

Also given the fact, that mobo makers tend do flood the market with dozen variants for intel chips and stick to less models for amd chips, i'd say nothing to worry about.

But if its one week befor PII AM3 launch and there are no AM3 boards listed at retailers, i would be worried. :p:

[Ghostbuster]

Na, there is still time, i7 boards also where listed at shops 3 weeks befor i7 launch.

Also given the fact, that mobo makers tend do flood the market with dozen variants for intel chips and stick to less models for amd chips, i'd say nothing to worry about.

But if its one week befor PII AM3 launch and there are no AM3 boards listed at retailers, i would be worried. :p:However there were already boards months before that, with ES testers. Like I said we should be seeing at least one by now. Motherboards takes time to test, debug and validate, which will be in period of months.;)

[Macadamia]

AM3 in Feb? Where are those AM3 boards? Should've beem some signs of them by now... :confused:

I've heard that prelim designs have been done since late 07.

They're not being shown for some weird reason. Probably AMD got pissed off when 790FX was let out so early yet delayed till Phenom.

[dinos22]

Just remember: "launch" does not mean "availability".

in other words "paper" launch :D

[AbelJemka]

Nehalem was launched (reviewed) november 3rd and made available november 17, so isn't it a 'paper' lauch?:D

[chew*]

these are for oem market only

nein

Available immediately for oem market. Will be available for consumers shortly thereafter.

[Brother Esau]

I hate you:(

I want the chips at damn launch:shrug:

No you don't!:D

[Sparky]

Well AM3 can fit in AM2+ so boards are not needed :D.Anyhow,the AM3 boards are scheduled for April IIRC(not the 1st i hope :p:)..

As long as the good AM3 boards are available when the 945 comes I'll be happy enough. I want AM3 since I would be doing an entire platform change from what I have now anyway, might as well do the entire thing and not just part of it. Hopefully my patience for April and the PII-945 holds out, last time I got impatient I bought a 9600BE that ended up being defective and caused me a couple months of grief lol. That should teach me to be patient this time around :lol2:

[Rammsteiner]

OH, just noticed the Athlon X2 7750BE for sale in a shop. Never saw it before.

2.7Ghz, 1MB L2 and 2MB L3 cache, 78 Euro

Pre-order prices for Ph II 920 and 940 increased from 226 to 238 and 266 to 280, seems I can be happy for pre-ordering right away:D

[adamsleath]

925. multiplier?
925 = AM3/AM2+, 95W TDP; i may stick with ddr2 for now.
so FEB it is. i'll be looking for g card upgrade at the same time.
mm 910 and 810...? :shrug:

[s0lid]

I think than 920/5s multipler is 14x and 940/5s 15x.
Because 200MHz is the "normal" fsb for A64s and newer :)

[saveus222]

holy late launch batman! batman is dead.. atleast bruce wayne is ?... im eyeing the x2 240.. hmmm should be one of those venice type chips :D

[Glow9]

When are they going to get rid of the Phenom name? I would almost bet any money they decided on it after gelletes marketing campaign wit tiger woods cause it was recognizable just like "XP". Seriously Athlon was so much better heck if it was AMD Shambootaloo I'd prefer it more

[ubuntu83]

Propus or maybe Kuma for me or both.

[Jazzman]

FYI :D

.........I just got a mail saying my pre-order is expected to arrive 18-12-2008! WTF!? :banana::banana::banana::banana:'n awesome

[Bo_Fox]

This is very strange (backwards compatibility, or really "anti-backwards" compatibility).. with the AM3 cpus working on an AM2 mobo but AM2 chips not working on an AM3 mobo... so, is it because the AM3 cpu can run with DDR2 on AM2+ mobos?

If that's true, then it would be an awesome budget cpu to buy, with dirt-cheap DDR2 memory!! Plus the CPU can still be used with an upgraded mobo and DDR3 later on.. very interesting!

[saveus222]

if iim not mistaken. thats because AM3 mobos hav an additional power plane..

[dexman]

i hope these chips will be available as stated. 3 months alone is long time and i'll go mad if i'm stuck with my venice chip for longer than that.

[duploxxx]

if iim not mistaken. thats because AM3 mobos hav an additional power plane..

nope am2+ mobo's have the same power layout then am3, it's just deneb/shanghai that will use the powerstates more then agena/barcelona


This is very strange (backwards compatibility, or really "anti-backwards" compatibility).. with the AM3 cpus working on an AM2 mobo but AM2 chips not working on an AM3 mobo... so, is it because the AM3 cpu can run with DDR2 on AM2+ mobos?

If that's true, then it would be an awesome budget cpu to buy, with dirt-cheap DDR2 memory!! Plus the CPU can still be used with an upgraded mobo and DDR3 later on.. very interesting!

yes you can stick any am3 proc on all am2+ boards and on some am2 boards (depending on board vendors). Am3 procs will have a ddr2+ddr3 mem controller. So its normal that a am2 proc is not able to run in an am3 board :)

[Lightman]

nope am2+ mobo's have the same power layout then am3, it's just deneb/shanghai that will use the powerstates more then agena/barcelona



yes you can stick any am3 proc on all am2+ boards and on some am2 boards (depending on board vendors). Am3 procs will have a ddr2+ddr3 mem controller. So its normal that a am2 proc is not able to run in an am3 board :)

I remember something about new way of voltage controlling for AM3. Instead of parallel selection it will be serialized.

[justapost]

http://www.abload.de/img/svik93y.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=svik93y.jpg)
Thank you Lightman,

Skimmed over the K10 BKDG and found above register. So K10 supported both PVI (with single and dual power plane systems) but SVI only with dual power plane systems.
I wrote and mail to amd suport asking if k10.5 chips will work in singkle power plane systems but got no reply till today. To me it looks like they dropped pvi support on k10.5.

BTW: SVI code for 1.35V is b01_0000. In PVI that would be 1.15V. Dunno if that means anything.

[informal]

http://www.abload.de/img/svik93y.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=svik93y.jpg)
Thank you Lightman,

Skimmed over the K10 BKDG and found above register. So K10 supported both PVI (with single and dual power plane systems) but SVI only with dual power plane systems.
I wrote and mail to amd suport asking if k10.5 chips will work in singkle power plane systems but got no reply till today. To me it looks like they dropped pvi support on k10.5.

BTW: SVI code for 1.35V is b01_0000. In PVI that would be 1.15V. Dunno if that means anything.
Great find man! :up:
Could this be the clue for "higher than expected" vcore for both Shanghai and Deneb parts? In PVI terms, Vcore for core and uncroe should be 1.15V for K10.5,but in SVI it's 1.35V, like you found out.

[justapost]

Great find man! :up:
Could this be the clue for "higher than expected" vcore for both Shanghai and Deneb parts? In PVI terms, Vcore for core and uncroe should be 1.15V for K10.5,but in SVI it's 1.35V, like you found out.
CPU-Z shows sensor reading and not the VID's used so I do not think there is an missinterpretation issue here.
I'm not 100% sure but SVID codes are used for the CPU VID and PVID codes for the NB VID in the p-state MSR registers on K10's.
From that point of view the might use SVID's also for the NB on AM3 chips.