View Full Version : Swiftech GTZ w 1366 Adapter on my Gigabyte EX58-Extreme w a i7 920 at 200x20 w HT On
Kensek
11-26-2008, 06:21 PM
Well first of all I thank you Gabe for the 1366 adapter.
I attached the GTZ w 1/2' barbs to my Gigabyte EX58-Extreme with a i7 920 OC'd to 200 x 20. I left HT and Turbo Enabled. The GTZ performed 8-10C cooler than what the Temps were with a TRUE installed with a 3000 rpm 38mm 120mm fan on it.
Here are some pics and some screen shot images.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2605/gtz1366t2cg1.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3074/gtz1366t1es9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/5954/gtz920t2rg9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/163/gtzi7920ll5.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8673/gtz920t3dc6.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9470/superpixc7.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/471/3dmark06at205x20withtursk9.jpg
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3797/prime200x20whtandturbooza9.jpg
In conclusion the GTZ with the 1366 adapter performs a stellar job at cooling a massively Overclocked i7 920.
T_Flight
11-26-2008, 06:52 PM
Very Nice! Makes me realize that my decision to go with water cooling before I evcer started my build was a good decision. This thing loves efficient cooling. Water was made for it. :yepp:
Boogerlad
11-26-2008, 07:03 PM
nice 0c there m8!
Nemon
11-26-2008, 07:05 PM
WOW great temps, I have the same cpu and got 200x18 with prime95 70C temps.120 ultra.
I got the same GTZ block and it will be here monday.:D
What Rad do you have?
Well first of all I thank you Gabe for the 1366 adapter.
I attached the GTZ w 1/2' barbs to my Gigabyte EX58-Extreme with a i7 920 OC'd to 200 x 20. I left HT and Turbo Enabled. The GTZ performed 8-10C cooler than what the Temps were with a TRUE installed with a 3000 rpm 38mm 120mm fan on it.In conclusion the GTZ with the 1366 adapter performs a stellar job at cooling a massively Overclocked i7 920.
Excellent!
10C lower temp than your air cooler should -in theory- yield a ~2% increase in overclock (at same voltage than air - this is industry rule of thumb 2% frequency increase for every 10C lower). Can you verify?
Kensek
11-26-2008, 07:08 PM
The Rad is a Thermochill Pa 120.3 Triple 120MM. The fans are 120x120x38 2750rpm ones.
Boogerlad
11-26-2008, 07:09 PM
Excellent!
10C lower temp than your air cooler should -in theory- yield a ~2% increase in overclock (at same voltage than air - this industry rule of thumb 2% frequency increase for every 10C lower). Can you verify?
+ longer life! but of course, us overclockers never keep chips for more than a year right? :eek:
+ longer life! but of course, us overclockers never keep chips for more than a year right? :eek:
no, it's either or. rule states:
10C lower = either ~+2% frequency increase, OR x2 life at same freq. same volt (if my memory serves me right)
Kensek
11-26-2008, 07:21 PM
Excellent!
10C lower temp than your air cooler should -in theory- yield a ~2% increase in overclock (at same voltage than air - this is industry rule of thumb 2% frequency increase for every 10C lower). Can you verify?
Gabe, my results with the TRUE I did last week. And I can't seem to find my screen shots showing the temps. If I had them I was going to incorporate them into this review.
But the GTZ definately runs the i7 considerably cooler under both idle and load than a TRUE.
T_Flight
11-26-2008, 07:24 PM
I like to see the difference from box stock cooler to this setup. Man, the temp Delta would be HUGE! Those stock coolers are okay for people who keep them at or neat stock speeds, but they are horribly ineficient for OC'ing. That true may have had some issues too though. They showed one where the base was so concave that a guy wore right through the Cu trying to get the concavity out of it. It was really bad.
Kensek
11-26-2008, 07:26 PM
My True i bought from CrazyPC lapped. They charge $15 to lap it.
exe163
11-26-2008, 07:35 PM
I like to see the difference from box stock cooler to this setup. Man, the temp Delta would be HUGE! Those stock coolers are okay for people who keep them at or neat stock speeds, but they are horribly ineficient for OC'ing. That true may have had some issues too though. They showed one where the base was so concave that a guy wore right through the Cu trying to get the concavity out of it. It was really bad.
If anyone uses stock cooler, get out of here :p:.
My True i bought from CrazyPC lapped. They charge $15 to lap it.
Not that much really. It takes some sand paper to lap it good. Plus it takes time.
Boogerlad
11-26-2008, 07:51 PM
If anyone uses stock cooler, get out of here :p:.
Not that much really. It takes some sand paper to lap it good. Plus it takes time.
i do.... :sofa:
T_Flight
11-26-2008, 08:09 PM
If anyone uses stock cooler, get out of here :p:.
Hey now! :D You gotta test on something, and have something fall back on in case your loop goes down. Give me a little time. There will be water flowing. In time...in time. :)
2low4u
11-27-2008, 04:08 AM
Hey now! :D You gotta test on something, and have something fall back on in case your loop goes down. Give me a little time. There will be water flowing. In time...in time. :)
Same here today i'm setting it up on the stocker :shocked: My first time so I'm scared! :rofl:
flopper
11-27-2008, 07:17 AM
I like to see the difference from box stock cooler to this setup. Man, the temp Delta would be HUGE! Those stock coolers are okay for people who keep them at or neat stock speeds, but they are horribly ineficient for OC'ing. That true may have had some issues too though. They showed one where the base was so concave that a guy wore right through the Cu trying to get the concavity out of it. It was really bad.
stock cooler, 3ghz 50c idle
watercooling 3ghz 30c idle.
just shifted the coolers and temp drop was nice.
:up:
2low4u
11-27-2008, 07:50 AM
Wholly magine when my buddy sets his i965 up at -58 lol. Should be interesting.
Gir92
11-27-2008, 08:54 AM
Gabe, I have a question about the backplate. It looks really lackluster support wise compared to S775 backplates. Does it still do as good of a job?
You have the simple square vs the thick X of S775 backplates.
Thanks. :)
Gabe, I have a question about the backplate. It looks really lackluster support wise compared to S775 backplates. Does it still do as good of a job?
You have the simple square vs the thick X of S775 backplates.
Thanks. :)
socket 1366 motherboards feature a rectangular backplate that is bolted through the motherboard and into the socket itself.
our back-plate surrounds the stock back-plate.
Gir92
11-27-2008, 12:19 PM
socket 1366 motherboards feature a rectangular backplate that is bolted through the motherboard and into the socket itself.
our back-plate surrounds the stock back-plate.
Cool, I didn't know that.
NeedMoMegaHurtZ
11-27-2008, 12:23 PM
Nice results Kensek, thx for posting
The 1366 adapters seem pretty rare at this point, I'm guessing we have to wait a few weeks still?
Gir92
11-27-2008, 12:25 PM
Nice results Kensek, thx for posting
The 1366 adapters seem pretty rare at this point, I'm guessing we have to wait a few weeks still?
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzlgmok.html
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apogee-GTZ-Core-i7-Hold-down-plate-pr-4337.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=410&products_id=24738
NeedMoMegaHurtZ
11-27-2008, 12:33 PM
http://www.petrastechshop.com/swapgtzlgmok.html
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apogee-GTZ-Core-i7-Hold-down-plate-pr-4337.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=410&products_id=24738
Thx Gir92!
Sorry ,what I meant to say was "in Canadian shops..." :)
I don't want to pay more for customs/duty & shipping than the price of the adapter! :)
Ghigo
11-27-2008, 12:57 PM
Gabe any tip on who will get it sooner on europe ? :)
Thx Gir92!
Sorry ,what I meant to say was "in Canadian shops..." :)
I don't want to pay more for customs/duty & shipping than the price of the adapter! :)
NCIX was among the first ones shipped.
NeedMoMegaHurtZ
11-27-2008, 01:15 PM
NCIX was among the first ones shipped.
Thx for replying, gabe
I just checked their stock and they have zero :(
I think they share their warehouse space with DirectCanada.ca and TdDirect.ca
Maybe it's too popular :)
Cheers
Gabe any tip on who will get it sooner on europe ? :)
Adapters were shipped to Bacata (France), our Master Distributor this week.
Thx for replying, gabe
I just checked their stock and they have zero :(
I think they share their warehouse space with DirectCanada.ca and TdDirect.ca
Maybe it's too popular :)
Cheers
Give them a few days to log the products in :)
Ghigo
11-27-2008, 01:27 PM
Ok thx :clap:
There are several vendors already with Ci7 waterblocks, but unless error or omission on my part, I don't see any of them with an adequate motherboard back-plate.
Swiftech recommends the use of an extended back-plate where high clamping pressure is applied (typically to improve TIM joint). By "extended", we mean a supplemental back-plate to reinforce the stock solution. Here is why.
The distance between mounting points in socket 1366 is quite a bit larger than that of socket 775. As a result, the motherboard is subjected to much higher flexing forces because of the leverage effect. This is the reason why Intel specified a back-plate with this socket. In Desktop applications, this back-plate is barely larger than the socket though.
One may wonder why the stock back-plate does not extend all the way to the mounting holes, and the reason is simple: in mass market applications such as Desktop, I suspect that OEMS are expected to use the Intel stock cooling solution which snaps into the motherboard without removing the later from the case. In this scenario, the mass (affecting dynamic forces -occuring in shipping for example) and clamping pressure (static forces) of the stock cooler are adequate with respect to motherboard flex and the existing relatively small back-plate.
However, in server applications where heavier cooling solutions are needed (imagine a large passive heatsink for a 1U application for example) it would be logical to speculate that one-piece back-plates fully extending to the mounting holes and featuring sturdier fastening mechanisms will be the norm.
I make this point to illustrate the fact that an extended back-plate is highly recommended to prevent excessive flex of the motherboard in heavy duty cooling applications. Not because of the mass of the water-blocks obviously, since they are all much smaller than massive copper sinks, but because of the high-clamping pressure (static forces) that we -overclockers typically apply to improve our TIM joints.
If you add to this the fact that some vendors release crude (dangerous) retention mechanisms which allow end-users to crank the pressure much beyond what the PCB traces can safely sustain, one can be seriously concerned about damage to the motherboard.
We at Swiftech spent a great deal of time (and $) developping a retention mechanism that is both effective AND safe.
So when you guys are looking for cooling solutions out there, all I can say is: buyers beware!
Jupiter
12-04-2008, 12:54 PM
I would first like to thank Gabe for not only such an excellent
product but, for also interfacing with the user community
'which seems to be a rare thing'.
As can be seen in the pics below, i am using a koolance bracket
i hacked up to be able to use my existing Corsair Nautilus 500
water block. I just could not deal with the HSF temps. I am in a
none AC home office and thank god it is not summer time where
temps can easily get to 80F in here. Even with this setup i am
getting idle temps of 45C-48C on the CPU and 45C-47C on the
chipset. Load temps can easily get to 80C-90C on the CPU and
48C-51C on the chipset when clocked at 4Ghz. Because of this
i am currently running at 3.6Ghz with idle temps of 41C on the
CPU and 45C on the chipset. These temps at 3.6Ghz is just not
acceptable to me.
As i plan to purchase a Swiftech GTZ in a couple of weeks 'pay day',
my question is. What is the model number to order a GTZ that comes
with the 1366 bracket rather than purchasing a GTZ-775 + 1366 bracket.
MY second question is what model number water block do i order for
the chipset on my Asus P6T Deluxe.
***TIA***
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6020/cpubracketctm6.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7227/cpubracket3cir0.jpg
NaeKuh
12-04-2008, 02:40 PM
Gabe, I have a question about the backplate. It looks really lackluster support wise compared to S775 backplates. Does it still do as good of a job?
Sorry b4 you guys castrate gabe on his backplate design...
Look at this picture b4 you judge:
He really had no option besides that design:
Stock boards have that plate behind the cpu socket like so
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0134.jpg
Your LGA775 X bracket will not work unless you recessed it. And by doing that, gabe's design is far better.
As for me, i can get away without a backplate thanks to my mosfet and nb/sb backplates. :D
As i told everyone, its all about concept and design.
pjkenned
12-04-2008, 04:41 PM
Also the Gigabyte backplate is different from that picture based upon what I saw last night.
John Planet
12-20-2008, 04:45 PM
We at Swiftech spent a great deal of time (and $) developping a retention mechanism that is both effective AND safe.
And my compliments for your work. Forgive the necro-posting, but I wanted to let you know that slapping a GTZ to my 940 was the easiest and most solid mount I've done so far. :up:
And my compliments for your work. Forgive the necro-posting, but I wanted to let you know that slapping a GTZ to my 940 was the easiest and most solid mount I've done so far. :up:
:D:D:D
T_Flight
12-20-2008, 09:16 PM
Yep, that design ties all 4 quadrants together, and creates a box structure. Any additional metal really would any strength. That plate is plenty strong enough. It can't flex becasue each bolt hole is tied to the other, and the other is tied to all the others. It's tied diagonally, and laterally. It also doesn't cover that socket backplate which is good.