Fan controllers, AQUAERO VS mCubed T-Balancer (updated) [Archive]

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 01:06 AM

This is an old thread. There is some new info here about the Aquaero with powerboster. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=230345&highlight=brodholm

I updated the thread because I have already got the answer I was looking for. But now I'm having issues deciding if im going to get a mCubed T-Balancer (http://www.t-balancer.com/english/Modelle.htm) or a AC aquaero 4.00 USB - white/blue (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquaero-4-778p.html).

aquaero costs 125$
And Mcubed goes for 90$

mCubed T-Balancer BigNG Can handle many fans on one channel but I haven't seen any info on the aquaero. How many watts per channel can it take? :confused:

I am also wondering about switching the pump from a Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 (http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html) if I am going to get the aquaero. I'm thinking about the AC aquastream XT USB 12V Pump (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqxtusb12vdc.html). They cost about the same (the aquastream is 30 dollars more if you get the ultra version). But is the Aquastream any good? I cant find any infos on noise, connection size, pressure, flow etc.

I haven't bought my watercooling system yet so I am very flexible but It is close now :up:

This is the old question but I just uppdated the thread so i would not have to create another. I hope its ok :) But if it's not then just delete the thread.

Hello, I'm just wondering if you can shut-down some of the fans in a radiator when the computer is going idle and I'm going to sleep or something?

Im thinking of going 6 yate loon fans (YATE LOON D12SL-12) on two thermochills PA120.3. So can you shut-down one or 2 fans in each radiator when the computer is just going to be idle over the night? Or will the temps rise to high? :confused:

And how low will the yate loon fans go in rpm? I'm thinking of going a Kaze Master and that goes all the way down to 3.7 volts. Some fans I have tested just stops at the lowest speed. And if they work at 3,7v what is the rpm like then? Maybe it even works lower than that. I don't know :shrug:

Regards, Brodhollm

TheGanG

11-13-2008, 01:15 AM

Min. 6.5V for D12SL-12, it works silent. RPM: 1350 +/- 10% 13.8V max.

It's a good idea to shut down the fans except one for each rad, but would u please list your rig and whole loop here?

Also look for this: http://www.aqua-pcs.co.uk/temprature-alarm-1326-p.asp
and that: http://www.t-balancer.com/english/index.htm

Bobly

11-13-2008, 01:29 AM

Personally I'd rather pay a couple quid more and have something that can a: Speed up the fans automatically rather than hope I wake up when I hear a beeping sound, and b: shut down the computer if the problem doesn't resolve itself from speeding up the fans. :/

Extigy

11-13-2008, 02:35 AM

If you get an intelligent fan controller like an Aquastream Aquereo or mcubed, You can set it to control the fan speeds based on the temperature.

For example. if cpu temp is less than 40oc, turn off fans. If temp is greater than 40oc, turn on fans.

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 06:19 AM

hmm okay... I have been thinking about the Mcubed before but I thought it was a bit pricey but maybe it is worth it. The Aquastream and aquero is way to expensive for me but I think I can afford the mcubed if I want. But can you accualy shutdown the fans if the temps are good with the t-big from mcubed?

But they say that you only can connect 1 fan per channel or is this just gibberish? I mean it can handle 20w per channel and up to 40w if you use pwm. And fans like yate loon uses like 3w or something. Because if it only handles 4 fans I will need that expansion kit they are talking about. And can you connect any temperature sensor like This (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/big1tesestfi.html) one? Is there anything more than the mCubed T-Balancer BigNG that I need if I'm going to control my system?

About the rig...
I don't have a watercooled system right now. But I am planing on ordering at the end of the week. I have been reading here for awhile now and I think I'm ready to buy all the stuff soon :D Anyway this is what I am going to buy:
Pump: Swiftech MCP655 (Now I'm thinking one loop but maybe I need another pump and loop if I'm going to cool mosfets later on)
Radiator#1: Thermochill PA120.3
Radiator#2: Thermochill PA120.3 (or a PA120.2)
And shrouds to the thermochills.
CPU block: D-TEK FuZion v2
GPU block: XSPC Full Cover Razor HD 4870 X2
Reservoirs: EK Multioption RES 150 Rev2
Tubing: Tygon R3603 7/16in. ID11/16
Misc: Fillports, Temperature sensor, fittings, Yate loon fans, sleving and so on.
If you see anything that is wrong or bad please say so :D

NaMcO

11-13-2008, 06:24 AM

Or maybe get an AQUAERO fan controller, and let it control the fan speeds depending on your water/cpu/gpu temperatures... This image below is from the software that controls it, you can see my Harddisk fan shut down as the Harddisks are under 25ºC which is the temperature that triggers it.

The radiator fans are currently at 27% speed, driven by how hot/cold the water is. They range from 0% to 100% and are triggered by that sensor. Just thought it might be a solution, hope it helps.

EDIT: I only read your last post about the price being too high after posting this, sorry :P

http://www.allsinclair.com/gfx/aquaero2.png

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 07:00 AM

EDIT: I only read your last post about the price being too high after posting this, sorry :P

Hmm, but where is the cheepest place to buy a aquaero? Store is best placed within europe or the US. And what is a normal price for a Aquaero and how many watts does it support to each channel?

A Mcubed costs about 90$ or 60£.

Jim Morbid

11-13-2008, 07:01 AM

Was just about to say - Mcubed is not quite cheap in my books :-/

JM

Extigy

11-13-2008, 07:27 AM

you can actually shut down fans with both mcubed and aquareo, yes. When using these controllers, you want to splice fans together, just make sure you dont exceed the channels rating. So for an mcubed, you could have 6 fans rated at 3 watts with some overhead.

Now if you wanted to shut down 1 or 2 fans on each rad, you would need splice like so:
channel 1: Fan 1a, 2a
Channel 2: Fan 1b,1c,2b,2c,
(where 1/2 = rad and abc = fans)

this way you could set one channel to turn off when temp is lower than say 27oc.

Sparky

11-13-2008, 07:59 AM

I ran only 2 fans on my triple rad for a while when one broke and it did OK, I was overclocked and running games too. Of course temps weren't as good but it was OK. Don't try and run them at 4 volts though, even if they do spin they won't move enough air to be worth much. Yate lows at 7V is going to be really quiet so I'd just do that and keep all the fans on.

Polizei

11-13-2008, 08:03 AM

LonghornN

11-13-2008, 11:01 AM

It wont mind, the noise with the same frequency and dBa on 1000 fans is equal to the noise of 10 of them because its a logarithmic scale, not decimal.

NaMcO

11-13-2008, 11:06 AM

Aquaero goes for around 100 eur in a local shop in Portugal. I guess the price is the same all around Europe but check out www.aquacomputer.de i think they sell those.

gxavier

11-13-2008, 11:13 AM

Sometimes I run my Swiftech 320's with only one fan on and at <1000 rpms... no biggie. I'll even play games with it like that. A couple degrees higher on your water isn't going to hurt much unless you're right on the edge of instability with your OC.

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 01:03 PM

Hmm okay, Thanks for all the answers.

But is aquaero > Mcubed or vice versa.

aquaero is about 125$
And Mcubed goes for 90$

And how many fans can you connect to a aquaero?

Im also looking at the Aquastream XT USB 12V Pumpe - Ultra Version

Is that any good? Quiet and stuff?

Its vs the Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655

Eddie3dfx

11-13-2008, 01:23 PM

Aquero LT For $80.
You do need to have an rpm yellow cable, otherwise it won't work
If it's a simple black/red wire fan, it's incompatible.

Sparky

11-13-2008, 01:35 PM

Quiet? How do you know what quiet is? You have a leaf blower in your closet! :ROTF: ;)

When I was at home over winter break last year the only thing in my room was my PC ;)

I'm actually a quiet nut, but I deal with the noise from the closet until I can afford to quiet them down too :p: And it isn't a leafblower, just a dull roar :rofl:

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 03:17 PM

Is the Aquastream XT USB 12V a Pump better than the Swiftech MCP655?

I still haven't decided if I'm going to get mcubed or the aquaero :confused:

Bob101

11-13-2008, 03:45 PM

Brodholm

11-13-2008, 03:53 PM

I'm currently looking for a fan controller also, though price is not such a limiting factor.

Taking a look at the aquaero manual (http://www.aqua-computer.de/download/AC_aquaero_4.00_20071105engl.pdf) p48 it states the load capacity per fan channel is 5W.

I'm busy trying to find out "normal" currents for different fans but I doubt you'll be able to put more than 1 or maybe 2 fans per channel if I've understood the manual correctly and if 3W is reasonable power consumption for a fan.

In comparison some of the mcubed options (http://www.t-balancer.com/english/index.htm) seem to support 20W per channel though I have no experience with them.

Hope this helps.

Yeah, I'm thinking the same. Just 4 fans will not cut it for me :\ I need to control 6 fans in just the radiators.

max. current: 7A
max. power: 80W (PWM)/20W (analogue)
power per channel: 40W (PWM)/20W (analogue)
With 20W you can even have 6 fans on one channel... Aquaero does not even come close to this :\

I have heard many good things about the BigNG and have been close to buy one but I never did. I had no reason for it then. But now when I'm going to cool my system with water it is much more interesting. The Mcubed BigNG can even control pumps because it is so powerful. And you can attach flowmeters, temperature probes etc. I think I am going to go with the Mcubed.

Shoggy

11-13-2008, 04:02 PM

Taking a look at the aquaero manual (http://www.aqua-computer.de/download/AC_aquaero_4.00_20071105engl.pdf) p48 it states the load capacity per fan channel is 5W.

Forget this manual. It is outdated to the max :D

Each channel can handle a load of 10W while the total load of all channels combined should not exceed 30W. Of course you can use y-adapters to connect more fans to one channel.

TedShred

11-13-2008, 04:08 PM

Isn't it also the case that, unlike the aquero, the Mcubed is no longer supported by its manufacturer for updates and stuff?

Bobly

11-13-2008, 04:13 PM

Isn't it also the case that, unlike the aquero, the Mcubed is no longer supported by its manufacturer for updates and stuff?

Exactly that was my issue with it, if I remember right the last software/driver update is over a year old, could even be more... :/

Henrik Pejer

11-13-2008, 04:21 PM

<THIS_IS_WRONG!>Another difference is that the bigng needs to have software running in order to function properly while the aquaero does not. It's software is only for settings and monitoring but you do not need it running in order for aquaero to work: once set it will work all by itself.

That to me says that the aquaero is a smarter and better engineered product and though it might cost more is worth the money.</THIS_IS_WRONG!>

If you need more power then check out fanamp from mcubed. The fanamp will give you plenty of power to run fans and pumps. You connect the fanamp to one of the 3-pin fan connectors on the aquaero, then connect your fans to the fanamp and you can then control more fans with one channel, or even a pump if you want to.

Finally good luck with your build. Soon I will have all my stuff and I'll start my worklog... Wonderful!

CyberDruid

11-13-2008, 04:26 PM

Last SW for mCubed is 2006. I would never reccomend it to anyone. It's a royal pain in the ass.

I'm pretty handy at learning SW and configuring HW but the mCubed just won't play nice. You have to do a lot of weird stuff to get it to work in Vista64...not fun at all.

In theory the mCubed stuff is way cool...in practice it's not worth it IMO.

luxbel

11-13-2008, 05:04 PM

CD, what weird stuff? i have it running without an issue, on Vista x64 (BigNG + Sensorhub, maybe soon a MiniNG) - just make sure you're using the USB<->serial driver, not that hacked vComm driver and you're set.

Snyxxx

11-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Another difference is that the bigng needs to have software running in order to function properly while the aquaero does not.

Absolutely wrong! Please know what you are talking about before spewing something with such authority.:nono:

bigNG needs no software to run once configured.

Serpentarius

11-13-2008, 05:41 PM

mCubed T-Balancer BigNG can be used as CCFL effects as well ... imo worth the buying
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205537&highlight=mCubed

RickCain

11-13-2008, 05:46 PM

mCubed T-Balancer BigNG can be used as CCFL effects as well ... imo worth the buying
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205537&highlight=mCubed

You can do that with an AquaComputer Multiswitch (edit: minus the flashing which would put a normal person in a coma).......

It comes down to the Aquaero is currently supported where the mCubed has not been updated in almost two years.

Both have their pluses and minuses when comparing them. It comes down to what you want to do. From what you have said, both can accomplish your needs. Add in an AquaComputer XT pump and the integration really flows.

Henrik Pejer

11-13-2008, 05:59 PM

Absolutely wrong! Please know what you are talking about before spewing something with such authority.:nono:

bigNG needs no software to run once configured.

Thats weird...

My experiance is that when the t-balancer software was not running the bigng would default to some preset power value meaning that the fans would spin but not reacting to difference in temperature.

But that was some time ago so perhaps some update has been released.

LogAn'sRun

11-13-2008, 10:35 PM

@brodholm - There's a poster here called Oxheadbeef who has a lot of experience with the Mcubed, he's helped me out. Try pm'ing him, or checking over at sweclockers and see if he's around.

Anyway, there are ton's of e-tailers in sweden that sell the Mcubed, but the Aquero I found available in DK, or at Aquero's online shop.

My recommendation is if you get the Mcubed, you should get the Sensor Bus as well (sensor bus allows automatic PC shut off for pump failure), plus it gives you 2 more fan channels.

Cost is same same in the end with the Aquero. Just decide what interface you like. . .

HESmelaugh

11-13-2008, 11:10 PM

I've had the bigNG for a while and it's a very neat device. Etremely flexible in what you can make it do. Though I have never had an aquaero, I have an aquastream XT and it also has a lot of settings and monitoring options. The software that drives aquaero and aquastream (known as aquasuite) is very polished and easy to use.
So really, I can't help you decide. Both devices are very good. I would say if you want a display, go for the aquaero if not, go for the bigNG.

Shoggy

11-13-2008, 11:46 PM

Anyway, there are ton's of e-tailers in sweden that sell the Mcubed, but the Aquero I found available in DK, or at Aquero's online shop.

http://www.vcore.dk/shop/search-1.html?keyword=aquaero ;)

LogAn'sRun

11-14-2008, 01:21 AM

http://www.vcore.dk/shop/search-1.html?keyword=aquaero ;)

dk = danmark ;) like I said :D

ScottAllyn

11-14-2008, 04:59 AM

I have a BigNG and a MiniNG along with the sensor hub and have have had no problems with them under Vista x64. I don't even have the USB link installed anymore and they're still doing what I programmed them to do (raise and lower the fan speeds based upon the temperature readings made by the sensors). The software is not the most intuitive, but it's not *that* difficult to figure out. I knew that the software wasn't actively updated anymore when I bought the devices, but wasn't really concerned about that based upon the number of success stories that I'd seen in the forums.

I've been running 3 scythe s-flex fans per channel, without a hitch, for a few months now. The heatsinks get decent airflow from the case fans and barely register any warmth when I touch them.

Brodholm

11-14-2008, 07:33 AM

There seams to be alot of different opinions about this. And I am getting more and more confused :confused:

I really like the interface of the Aquaero but as said before it only handles 10w per channel and not more than a total of 30w. Where the Mcubed can take 20w per channel and 80w total. I will have 2 Thermochill radiators and they will have 3 fans each. That is a total of 6 there. And that will be 2 channels because a aquaero only takes 10w per channels and a yate loon takes about 3w each.

That will be fine if I'm going to settle with 2 loops but I don't know yet. Else I want all the fans on the same channel. But maybe you can set the aquaero to rise the speeds on 2 channels when a temperature rises, I don't know.

I will probably have a total of 9 or 10 fans in my new chassis. One for the hhd's another in the cpu area and maybe 2 for each pump. That will be 30w if all fans are at full speed. That maybe is pushing it for the Aquaero?

I want in the controller to do the following if that's possible:
Rise/lower the fans rpm according to temperature levels and finally shut them down if the temps is good enough.
Be able to read temperatures from different sensors. Like This (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/big1tesestfi.html) one.
Shutdown the computer IF temps get to high or pump malfunction.
If it could control the pump that would be great. But not necessary because if I'm going to get a Swiftech MCP655 because you can set the speed manually. But I think Aquaero can control there aquastream pump.
well that's about it. And of course it is nice if the program is easy to control.

What is the differences with the AC aquaero 4.00 USB - VF-Display (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquaero-4-779p.html) And AC aquaero 4.00 USB - white/blue (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquaero-4-778p.html) it is almost 50% more expensive.

And one more question about pumps. If you have any experiences of the following pumps feel free to share it. The AC aquastream XT USB 12V Pump (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquastream-xt-1161p.html) and in English (English url) (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/aqxtusb12vdc.html) and the Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 (http://www.petrastechshop.com/swmcin12pu.html). They cost about the same (the aquastream is abit more expensive) but I don't know that much about the aquastream XT. I cant find any infos on noise, connection size, pressure, flow etc. So wich one is the best pump? It should be quiet, have good quality and be able to do one loop with 2 thermochills PA120.3, D-TEK FuZion v2, EK 150 Reservoir and one XSPC fullcover 4870x2. I don't even know if one of them can handle that loop that is why I may be going 2 loops.

dohh, as usual it is alot of questions I hope someone have some of the answers ^^

Shoggy

11-14-2008, 08:31 AM

What is the differences with the AC aquaero 4.00 USB - VF-Display (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquaero-4-779p.html) And AC aquaero 4.00 USB - white/blue (http://www.vcore.dk/shop/eng/ac-aquaero-4-778p.html) it is almost 50% more expensive.

(...) but I don't know that much about the aquastream XT. I cant find any infos on noise, connection size, pressure, flow etc. So wich one is the best pump?

The VFD Variant has a much more expensive display. The rest is identical. A VF Display has no backlight like a LCD because its pixels are self glowing. I'm pretty sure you have already seen hundrets of VF Displays in your life - in a super market at the cashpoint for example.

You also have the big advantage that you can create almost every color with filter-folis. Have a look here (http://www.shoggy.de/ac_forum/case06_aquaero_g.jpg) to get an better idea.

Also the VFD variant has a better contrast and angle of view.

Unfortunately I don't know any english reviews for the aquastream XT pump. You can grab some comparsion charts (http://www.nexthardware.com/recensioni/scheda/110_845.htm) from an Italian review.

Brodholm

11-14-2008, 09:08 AM

The VFD Variant has a much more expensive display. The rest is identical. A VF Display has no backlight like a LCD because its pixels are self glowing. I'm pretty sure you have already seen hundrets of VF Displays in your life - in a super market at the cashpoint for example.

You also have the big advantage that you can create almost every color with filter-folis. Have a look here (http://www.shoggy.de/ac_forum/case06_aquaero_g.jpg) to get an better idea.

Also the VFD variant has a better contrast and angle of view.

Unfortunately I don't know any english reviews for the aquastream XT pump. You can grab some comparsion charts (http://www.nexthardware.com/recensioni/scheda/110_845.htm) from an Italian review.

Ok, but what would you recommend ^^ come on sell me your products ^^ What is the big advantage with the aquaero against Mcubeds BigNG?

And If I asked you as a person, is the extra money for the VF display worth it?

biggles1

11-14-2008, 09:18 AM

Thats weird...

My experiance is that when the t-balancer software was not running the bigng would default to some preset power value meaning that the fans would spin but not reacting to difference in temperature.

But that was some time ago so perhaps some update has been released.

That must have a very long time ago in a galaxy far, far way... mCubed bigNG has always been independent of the software. It has it's own processor with you program with the software. You probably didn't configure it correctly. I can be kind tricky to understand how it should be handled, but it is a marvelous device. Works under Vista 64 without any special complications!

fox3

11-14-2008, 09:28 AM

>snip<, is the extra money for the VF display worth it?

Not sure what "worth it" means, that is really up to an individual and depends on the "depth" of your pockets I would guess.

I have an aquero VF display and find it easy on the eyes.

Henrik Pejer

11-14-2008, 09:55 AM

That must have a very long time ago in a galaxy far, far way... mCubed bigNG has always been independent of the software. It has it's own processor with you program with the software. You probably didn't configure it correctly. I can be kind tricky to understand how it should be handled, but it is a marvelous device. Works under Vista 64 without any special complications!

It looks more and more like I'm totally wrong. So I'm gonna shut up and I guess you all can have a flame-fest aimed in my general direction...

I apologize for post about the bigng: it seems like both the aquaero and the bigng work the same way and do not need to have software, or even be connected via USB to function.

I'll edit my other post, sorry for the fuzz.

luxbel

11-14-2008, 09:57 AM

Well, there are options out there for an LCD to talk to a bigNG. The only issue that I have found that only the Alphacool LCD with LCDHype's plugin talks to it correctly. I couldn't get the LCDStudio plugin to work (read the values), plus it's a bit more limited (the plugin written for the BigNG for LCDStudio only supports temps and rpms, while LCDHype's plugin supports just about everything). Wish that the LCDStudio package would work, the Matrix Orbitals are a much nicer LCD screen, in my opinion, especially the GX Typhoon Tri-color.

LCDHype's scripting is a little esoteric, but nothing that a good weekend of looking at scripting examples and trial and error won't fix.

With the BigNG + Sensorhub + a miniNG, you would be able to run two pumps (one on the BigNG and another on the MiniNG, for load purposes) and still have 4 fan channels, which can handle, more or less, 3 fans a pop. You want to have the BigNG cooled somehow - usually either by a 120mm fan blowing in it's direction, or mod a bit and load a 40mm directly on to it. The analog to PWM switch is temperature sensitive - if you keep the management processor cool, it won't trigger the switch, and you can load it even higher. Urlo (over at the mcubed forums) once said that adequately cooled, the BigNG could probably handle 80w - clicky (http://www.mcubed-tech.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=516). Switch over point is 80c, between analog and PWM mode.

That being said, I have a single pump and 3 fans running off of the BigNG right now - that's more than 20w overall, with a single 120mm in its general direction.

Updated after the fact: You can have technically another MiniNG (two total) on the BigNG, however, the Navigator software was never updated to reflect this. Each MiniNG needs its own unique address, set by jumpers, but the Navigator software can only monitor and manage one at a time. So if you wanted to go all out, and put, for example 3 pumps, you could, but you could only manage one of the MiniNGs at a time.

Breezyjr

11-14-2008, 11:07 AM

I just want to know if I can run my three DDC pumps, and tons of fans off the aquero using (I think) two fan amps? Using Yate Loons.
Also, can I use a temp sensor, and flow sensor and the RPM sensor off the DDC pumps? This is what has me confused, how much can I attach.

Brodholm

11-14-2008, 12:58 PM

It can only take 30w so I doubt that. Although you can have a total of 10 fans spread out on the 4 channels. Still the Aquaero is more appealing to me with the developing going forward and stuff :\
If it is true that mcubed has stopped updating the software

luxbel

11-14-2008, 01:22 PM

Looks like, at least from what I've been able to piece together, is that the Aquero would need 3x poweradjust USB LT's (one per DDC), which connect directly to your internal USB headers, along with the Aquero itself. Each poweradjust USB can handle a flowmeter, and the Aquero has 6 sensor ports for temp probes. That would allow you to run fans on all 4 ports on the Aquero, for a maximum of 40w, 10w per channel.

Brodholm

11-14-2008, 05:27 PM

Can the Aquaero close down the computer if the pump malfunction? Or what do I need to get it to do that?

I still haven't decided! I think I'm going crazy :brick:

0xdeadbeef

11-14-2008, 06:00 PM

Brodholm, check out this thread for info about what you can do with the bigNG:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=114624

It's a great device and it can pull more weight than most people need. I have tested 17 San Aces running at full speed hooked up to a bigNG, miniNG and sensorbus without any problem.

Shoggy

11-14-2008, 06:11 PM

Can the Aquaero close down the computer if the pump malfunction? Or what do I need to get it to do that?

Yes, it can shutdown your system via its relay or the aquasuite software. At least you should get the relay plug to connect the aquaero parallel to the power button of your case so it can "push" the button to shutdown the system. Also this can be configurated in detail - a few seconds to make sure that the system switchs off or only one second to act like you would go into standby or whatever.

You can also use an ATX adapter to directly switch off the PSU.

http://www.shoggy.de/ac_forum/ae_pwr_taster.png

To monitor the pump you will need a flow sensor or a tacho signal from the pump or an aquastream ;) Or you combine all of them :D

edit: Brodholm, you can download the aquasuite (http://www.aqua-computer.de/download/aquaero_software/aquasuite_setup_4.64.00.exe) and start it in a demo mode. Maybe then you will get a better idea of the possibilities.

-X-hellfire

11-14-2008, 06:33 PM

I'm running two T-Balancer XL and two T-Balancer Navigator v2 software to control the following...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/144/cpumbmemspdcorego2.th.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cpumbmemspdcorego2.jpg)

top controller 1
1 cpu ...120mm Cooltek
2 gpu/door in ...80mm Cooltek fan in the door which can start if it needs to help cool the gpu
3 psu/twin out ...two 80mm Panaflo fans that helps get some heat out, was meant to control the psu fan but it has it's own controller, Corsair HX520, and 5 year warranty
4 case out ...120mm Noctua

bottom controller 2
5 top out ...80mm Noctua
6 hdd in ...4-in-3 harddisk rack with a 120mm Cooltek fan intake fan infront
7 6 hdd in ...4-in-3 harddisk rack with a 120mm Cooltek fan intake fan
8 ext hdd/fw ...outside the case i got two fans,
120mm Papst: cooling external harddisks, sometimes four backup harddisk, helps some to keep them cool when running long backups
120mm Noctua: cooling firewall and adsl modem

all fans are connected to
Attenuator fan noise Reducer (http://shop.compless.com/index.php?p=utforska&tabbselect=2&artid=33554&sortera=1) which can power two fans each, and they do help keep the noise down,

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2643/dsc0153739layer13brotexku7.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0153739layer13brotexku7.jpg)

the sensorbus is sensitive to interference as the top controllers internal usb cable was extended to reach the motherboards usb headers, which means that if I connect more than 4 digital sensors they show the wrong value, i'm now running them under manual settings, will try to make a new internal usb cable

T-Balancer XL are very flexible and its very good to create custom curves for each fan but the software is lacking in that its not very user friendly, drives you nuts sometimes, but it´s works

TheGanG

11-15-2008, 01:43 AM

Yes, it can shutdown your system via its relay or the aquasuite software. At least you should get the relay plug to connect the aquaero parallel to the power button of your case so it can "push" the button to shutdown the system. Also this can be configurated in detail - a few seconds to make sure that the system switchs off or only one second to act like you would go into standby or whatever.

You can also use an ATX adapter to directly switch off the PSU.

http://www.shoggy.de/ac_forum/ae_pwr_taster.png

To monitor the pump you will need a flow sensor or a tacho signal from the pump or an aquastream ;) Or you combine all of them :D

edit: Brodholm, you can download the aquasuite (http://www.aqua-computer.de/download/aquaero_software/aquasuite_setup_4.64.00.exe) and start it in a demo mode. Maybe then you will get a better idea of the possibilities.

Thank you for clear guidance...

Brodholm

11-15-2008, 05:53 AM

The only things bugging me about the Mcubed is the software. But I don't know, maybe thats not a problem. But I rly do like the Aquaero

Snyxxx

11-15-2008, 06:05 AM

I am not sure if the Aquaero has digitial temperature sensors. The mcubed has these as well as the analog "foil" type that I see that comes with the Aquaero.

My experience is the digital probes are much more accurate, but you may not need too much accuracy.

I find that all of this monitoring is fun at first, but then I usually become bored with it and do not touch it for a few months.

Eddie3dfx

11-15-2008, 06:39 AM

What can I use to power 16 yate loons.

Brodholm

11-15-2008, 07:44 AM

What can I use to power 16 yate loons.

A mcubed. A yate loon SL (the one with low rpm) uses about 3,6w and a mcubed can handle 20w per channel. 20w = 5-6 fans. 5x4 = 20

Breezyjr

11-15-2008, 10:25 AM

What can I use to power 16 yate loons.

Depends on how many channels you want.

Let's assume 4 channels with 4 fans/ch. I'm "almost" certain you'd have to use at least TWO fan amps connected to the Aquaero, or I think all 4 channels could be run off the tBalancer....

Not 100% sure.... but that's my $0.02 worth. Ok, maybe only $0.01 worth.

breezyjr

FTW!

0xdeadbeef

11-15-2008, 05:28 PM

The bigNG can handle 80W (PWM) or 20W (analogue) totally or 40W (PWM) / 20W (analogue) per channel. If you are using analogue fans and the bigNG gets hotter than a safety limit it will automatically switch over to PWM. If you don't have enough cooling on the heat sink you can get this problem under heavy load. It happen to me a few times, but a 120mm YL low speed solved the problem.

Yeknom

11-15-2008, 09:25 PM

Does any retailer even sell the miniNG anymore?

ScottAllyn

11-15-2008, 09:56 PM

Does any retailer even sell the miniNG anymore?

Performance PC's still has them.

iscsidude

11-16-2008, 07:34 AM

I find that all of this monitoring is fun at first, but then I usually become bored with it and do not touch it for a few months.

+100000000

I've been running the bigNG, miniNG and sensor hub without issues for about a year now. They control my fans, two pumps and various temp probes throughout my system.

It just works and I don't even think about it.

Brodholm

11-16-2008, 11:10 AM

Salad Fingers

11-17-2008, 04:06 AM

Can you connect a temperature probe to two different units? Like one to the mcubed/aquaero and then the other to a lcd display or something. Like doing a Y connector on the temperature probe. One end in the fancontroller and the other in the lcd display?

Interesting question.
I actually just read something posted by a dude in the work log section today. Can't remember his name but he was a well spoken guy - a doctor or something if I recall correctly. Anyway, he said that analogue probes are calibrated to the length of wire they come with, shortening or lengthening this will funk it up. I'd assume that you could still calibrate it with one of the digital probes though. If not you can use a digital probe in the manner you are talking about but good luck finding an LCD with a digital input.

I am also looking for a solution such as the BigNG or Aquaero at the momet I am leaning towards the BigNG but I'm a little concerned that there could be some future issues with it since it's out of support. I might go and do some reading up on the Aquaero. It seems to me that there is a giant void in the Liquid Cooling world with these types of devices. I've recently applied to go back to University to do an electronic engineering/computer science course so hopefully by the end I might have a bit of know how and start creating my own shiznit, cause it's pretty funked considering the options right now.

Demthios

11-17-2008, 06:35 AM

Breezyjr

11-17-2008, 07:28 AM

Yeah I've been looking into these 2 options as well. Can anyone using the aquaero tell me if I can use it to control my DCC 3.2 on a fanamp? That will be my deciding factor. I've already planned on putting my Fans on a Fanamp and running them to what ever device. Its really kinda hard to find out alot of information on them both...

I am almost certain this can be done. But, if I recall correctly, you can only use one pump per channel on the fan amp. I know I've seen this done in the worklog section, and I think Project rainmaker, at least had the pumps connected to a fan amp, but don't recall which he used for control.

luxbel

11-17-2008, 07:39 AM

Fanamps are manually controlled, or controlled via a temp probe on the Fanamp board itself. I don't believe there's a way to connect them to an Aquero.

Breezyjr

11-17-2008, 07:58 AM

this is what is making everything so confusing. It seems no one really knows what is compatible with what, and which does what with what... and whatnot....

What?

Eddie3dfx

11-17-2008, 08:47 AM

I emailed sidewinder to see if they will carry the aquero, since they now carry a lot of aqua computer parts

Henrik Pejer

11-17-2008, 09:20 AM

The fanamp is supposed to be connected to a 3-pin fan connector. So you can connect it to the motherboard, bigng, aquaero or anything else that is supposed to control a fan.

Breezyjr

11-17-2008, 09:47 AM

The fanamp is supposed to be connected to a 3-pin fan connector. So you can connect it to the motherboard, bigng, aquaero or anything else that is supposed to control a fan.

This is exactly what I originally thought. That it was merely "amping" the signal for those controllers that couldn't handle the extra load.

A somewhat separate but related question. Could you use either of these to control your DDC pump? and would you want to? ie. a number of people seem to have it setup to control the fan levels based on temps, could you in theory do the same for the pump, ie. slow the pump down based on temps? WOuld you want to?

breezyjr

dopestuff

11-17-2008, 09:50 AM

The fanamp is supposed to be connected to a 3-pin fan connector. So you can connect it to the motherboard, bigng, aquaero or anything else that is supposed to control a fan.

doesn't that defeat the whole idea because it still draws the power over the fancontroler and drawing tomuch power??
because i don't know any fan amps that have power delivered by molex and can be controled by 3 pin

Extigy

11-17-2008, 10:05 AM

The fan amp has 3 connections, one for a a molex, two 3 pin connectors, one to the fan/pump and one From the controller/mobo

the fan amp has two modes of control.

Control speed of fan or pump by fanamp MANUALLY In this configuration you are just using the fanamp as a single channel fan controller,

OR

Control speed of pump/fans by motherboard OR aquaero, using the fanamp as an AMPLIFIER. In this configuration you using the fanamp as an amplifier.

Yes, using an aquareo you could control the speed of the pump depending on temperature.

In my build i am using the fanamps to power my pumps via the aquaero as the aquaero does not have enough power to run 2 pumps and fans.

dopestuff

11-17-2008, 10:09 AM

The fan amp has 3 connections, one for a a molex, two 3 pin connectors, one to the fan/pump and one FrOm the controller/mobo

the fan amp has two modes of control.

Control speed of fan or pump by fanamp MANUALLY In this configuration you are just using the fanamp as a single channel fan controller,

OR

Control speed of pump/fans by motherboard OR aquaero, using the fanamp as an AMPLIFIER. In this configuration you using the fanamp as an amplifier.

Yes, using an aquareo you could control the speed of the pump depending on temperature.

In my build i am using the fanamps to power my pumps via the aquaero as the aquaero does not have enough power to run 2 pumps and fans.

wich fanamps have that ability/wich are your using??
because that would be a great thing

Extigy

11-17-2008, 10:21 AM

There is only 1 Fanamp i KNOW of that isn't custom made and that is the mCubed FanAmp.

But by its very definition, you cannot have a FanAmp without an external power supply (i.e molex connection)

Brodholm

11-17-2008, 10:22 AM

I think the Mcubed is the better controller but the aquaeros software is superior. But then again with a sensorhub you can control the pump.

But does the pump actually make "that" much less noise than at normal speed? do you need a flow meeter to control it or could you use the temperature to control it?

Both controllers has its pros and cons

Extigy

11-17-2008, 10:24 AM

I am almost certain this can be done. But, if I recall correctly, you can only use one pump per channel on the fan amp. I know I've seen this done in the worklog section, and I think Project rainmaker, at least had the pumps connected to a fan amp, but don't recall which he used for control.

You can control as many devices as you want with a fanamp so long as they dont exceed 25 watts. (they will need to be wired together though of course!)

luxbel

11-17-2008, 10:30 AM

I stand corrected, the Fanamp will allow software control (http://t-balancer.com/download/fanAmp.pdf) as long as the software used supports inputs from the motherboard. Speedfan, the Aquero Suite, etc. will be able to control the Fanamp wattage, but the t-balancer software, i presume because there's no option for it, will not.

dopestuff

11-17-2008, 10:59 AM

There is only 1 Fanamp i KNOW of that isn't custom made and that is the mCubed FanAmp.

But by its very definition, you cannot have a FanAmp without an external power supply (i.e molex connection)

cool thanks man :up:

Brodholm

11-17-2008, 11:10 AM

Is there someone here that uses the Aquaero with 3 yates SL? (3,6w each) The aquaero can take 10w per channel but the total of 3 loons is 10,8w

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 03:59 AM

Forget this manual. It is outdated to the max :D

Each channel can handle a load of 10W while the total load of all channels combined should not exceed 30W. Of course you can use y-adapters to connect more fans to one channel.

If this came with a black face and handled 30w per channel (to handle 3 panoflows or san aces), that would be one awsome EXTREME fan controller. :) :up:

Pre-Order???

biggles1

02-20-2009, 04:33 AM

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 04:43 AM

Why would you need 30W per channel? 3 San Aces "only" draws 18W? Why the extra wattage? I am happily running 3 San Aces of my BigNG which is rated at 20W per channel (non PWM, PWM and San Aces is a no no). With the Panaflows, rated at about 5W, you could easily run 8 from one BigNG channel in PWM mode (40W per channel in PWM mode).

Most electrical code/guidelines state never exceed more that 75-80% of what the wire rating. No need for wires/componets to run warm. 3 San Aces 109R1212H1011 is a 1.56 amp/18.72 watt draw.... 20 watts just cutting it too close. 30 watts just sounded better to me. :D

Whats this bigNG...not familiar with it....let me google.

biggles1

02-20-2009, 05:44 AM

Well, for anyone without the google-skills of tommyxv, here comes the short rundown.

The Aquaero and the mcubed bigNG are more or less the same thing. They read sensors (temp, flow, etc) and control devices (fans, pumps, lamps, power). The Aquaero is the prettier with external LCD/VFD display (also available as internal if I am not misinformed) and the bigNG is internal. Both have more or less the same capabilities with smaller differences in some areas. bigNG has suffered from a little less development during the last year, but has just released a new alpha version of their new client/server based software. Both are, as far as I can tell (have the bigNG myself, and it sure is) fire and forget, ie you install and configure it, and then let it run without user or computer intervention. The on board processor takes care of the rest. Both have a lot of possibilities to connect extra stuff for controlling more and more power full devices!

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 05:55 AM

Well, for anyone without the google-skills of tommyxv, here comes the short rundown.

:D

The Aquaero and the mcubed bigNG are more or less the same thing. They read sensors (temp, flow, etc) and control devices (fans, pumps, lamps, power). The Aquaero is the prettier with external LCD/VFD display (also available as internal if I am not misinformed) and the bigNG is internal. Both have more or less the same capabilities with smaller differences in some areas. bigNG has suffered from a little less development during the last year, but has just released a new alpha version of their new client/server based software. Both are, as far as I can tell (have the bigNG myself, and it sure is) fire and forget, ie you install and configure it, and then let it run without user or computer intervention. The on board processor takes care of the rest. Both have a lot of possibilities to connect extra stuff for controlling more and more power full devices!

They both sound pretty nice...just wish each channel had just alittle more headroom as for as watts thats all.

biggles1

02-20-2009, 06:33 AM

But as long as you use PWM (and why shouldn't you?) the 40W per channel from the bigNG should be plenty!

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 09:31 AM

But as long as you use PWM (and why shouldn't you?) the 40W per channel from the bigNG should be plenty!

I have 2 sets of 3 San Aces that are going to be wired together for my Feser 360s. I may even add another set of 3 San Aces for a push/pull on one Rad. One knob control 3 rad fans. PWM won't work with 3 fans wired together will it?

biggles1

02-20-2009, 10:04 AM

-X-hellfire

02-20-2009, 11:17 AM

btw, I used a translated site which tried to translate miniNG to Swedish, mining (gruvdrift) and I was like WTF has mining to do with fancontrollers :D

link (http://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=en&u=http://www.t-balancer.com/english/produkt_tban_sw.htm&ei=nwCfSbz5F9PT-QbKz_G2Dg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNavigator%2BmCubed%26num%3D20%26hl%3D sv%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG)
"Configuration of the miniNG"

"Konfiguration av gruvdrift"

-X-hellfire

02-20-2009, 11:34 AM

I got two T-Balancer XL which are run by two instances of T-Balancer Navigator v2.9.0

It works mostly but I don´t know how to cleanup the database files tban.mdb for each one which keeps growing and growing in size, they are now 125MB each.

I tried the
Option/Database/
0 days and then revert back to 60 days

and got the
clear up the database ...checked

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 02:58 PM

It sure will... But not on the San Aces. They start to rattle then. I'm not really fond of the San Aces. Sure, they provide much areflow, but the noise is to high, even when you undervolt them. I am just going to replace my San Aces with S-flex!

Have you tried the new San Ace 9G1212H1011 fans? They are are rated 7v-13.8v vs the older 109Rs at 10v-13.8v. Probably undervolt a little better? ANywau, noise isn't much of an issue for me. I like knowing my system is on.:D

ILikeCosmosS

02-20-2009, 03:29 PM

tommyxv

02-20-2009, 04:10 PM

I got this guy coming....30watts per channel....all i need to run all my fans.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/products/sb-rheobus-extreme-bk_01.jpg

biggles1

02-20-2009, 11:21 PM

Have you tried the new San Ace 9G1212H1011 fans? They are are rated 7v-13.8v vs the older 109Rs at 10v-13.8v. Probably undervolt a little better? ANywau, noise isn't much of an issue for me. I like knowing my system is on.:D

Nope, but it isn't undervolting that is the main issue, it's PWM. I can undervolt them just fine, but not use PWM. And no matter how, it sounds to much. I had pretty good performance when I used my Sharkoons 2000 before the San Aces) but now I am replcing my San Aces with to S-flex. Back channels in my Ufo runs Nexus.

biggles1

02-20-2009, 11:27 PM

sometimes you just gotta have a lot of bays filled thats why i go with baybus for manuel control

my question is can these types of fan controllers handle 15 fans the bigNG only has 4 fan ports/channels

Of cource it depends on the fans, but generally speaking, yes. I have seven "normal" 120mm case fans from two channels on my bigNG without it breaking into a sweat. S-flex for example typically draws 2.4W. That's eight fans per 20W channel (max 40W analog). But if you run them in PWM mode, you could gho up to a total of 80W (33 fans...). But then I would make sure I had an extra fan just for the bigNG... Or watercool it!

biggles1

02-20-2009, 11:30 PM

Most electrical code/guidelines state never exceed more that 75-80% of what the wire rating.

Just remembered. You could go over the 40/80W recommondation, just make sure you cool it adequately! (an extra fan or some watercooling should work out great!)

Ender17

03-06-2009, 01:23 PM

so do these auto fan controllers require you to wire up sensors all over the case or can they use the built in sensors that you would see from something like RealTemp or a GPU monitor?

-X-hellfire

03-14-2009, 08:12 AM

Now I really done it!

...had a to return a new wireless keyboard, didn't like it, and use my old wireless keyboard a Logitech Cordess Desktop Pro although it freaks out after a few weeks and a year ago the volume went nuts and went up/down like slut on crack so but now it worked fine I thought

as I have two T-Balancer XL fancontrollers, one in the bottom the CM Stacker and one in the top which have the internal usb-cable lengthed with one more but it's not perfect as it sometime loses connection but it works mostly

this is where the flaky usb-keyboard comes in as it after a while probably sends some garbage to the usb-controller on the motherboard
and somehow distrups the fancontroller and even changes the temperature curves, which are stored on the fancontroller

to make a long story short my computer is down as the whole raid 5+0, in sig, has crashed, can only see 1st harddisk at startup the it freezes, im guessing its an overheated motherboard and SATA controller thats gone bad since it freezes at startup

headala

03-14-2009, 02:54 PM

That doesn't surprise me; I've seen USB stuff screw up computers before. I had a palm that when plugged in would instantly reset the computer, but only when my MP3 player was also plugged in! :down:

Eddie3dfx

03-14-2009, 02:58 PM

Any idea how many watts/amps an aquaxtreme xt or innovatek hpps would run at? I'm trying to find out if it will work with my multswitch and I've posted on almost every german forum, but no answer :shrug:

fox3

03-14-2009, 03:28 PM

The XT Ultra @ 84.6Hz uses @ 7.1W. According to aquasuite and current consumption is ~570 mA and 12.21V. HTH.

Eddie3dfx

03-14-2009, 03:36 PM

The XT Ultra @ 84.6Hz uses @ 7.1W. According to aquasuite and current consumption is ~570 mA and 12.21V. HTH.

That is great news. I'll be running 3 at 72hz. The controller is good for 40 watts total on 8 channels, with the ability to run at most 1amp on each channel.
That means I'm good for the pumps, extra cathodes, 2 fans, and 8 leds. :up:
Thanks for posting that.

Baxxxter

05-12-2009, 01:39 AM

I dont know much about electronics and stuff, so i will ask before i do anything stupid.
The cpecifications of bigNG state:

max. current: 7A
max. power: 80W (PWM)/20W (analogue)
power per channel: 40W (PWM)/20W (analogue)
What is the difference in analogue and PWM mode...? I have tried it, and in PWM mode my fans started to sing... :rofl:
I am wondering this, because i would like to plug 8x Scythe Slipstreams 1600RPM (4.92W) to my bigNG with Y splitters. As far as i understand all this specs, the max power states 20W in analogue mode, and that would mean that i cant run all of 8 Slipstreams because they would exceed the power limit... Am i wrong? Am i missing something? Sorry for being such a noob about it, but i realy dont want to fry my bigNG :rolleyes:Thanks in advance...:up:

Shoggy

05-12-2009, 06:35 AM

Eddie3dfx, keep in mind that the multiswitch works with PWM if you want to take control over the power output. In this case the aquastream will go mad if you try to run it since it works only with "real" constant 12V.

Extigy

05-12-2009, 06:55 AM

old thread. just to confirm, you cannot control the fanamp power outage using aquareo for some reason. Anyone found a workaround ?

Brodholm

05-12-2009, 07:50 AM

old thread. just to confirm, you cannot control the fanamp power outage using aquareo for some reason. Anyone found a workaround ?

I haven't found any workaround, no. And also check this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=224351) thread. You might be able to use a poweradjust to control a pump or strong fans if it was that you where looking for. I haven't got any answer yet.

And also this thread should be RENAMED. Looking at it now it looks like it is a test or something (a misfortune name by me..). If an admin sees this they could change it to something like Aquaero vs Mcubed T-balancer? pros and cons?. Or to something that describes the thread better. I cant change it myself.

Dr.Joe

05-12-2009, 12:31 PM

I dont know much about electronics and stuff, so i will ask before i do anything stupid.
The cpecifications of bigNG state:

What is the difference in analogue and PWM mode...? I have tried it, and in PWM mode my fans started to sing... :rofl:
I am wondering this, because i would like to plug 8x Scythe Slipstreams 1600RPM (4.92W) to my bigNG with Y splitters. As far as i understand all this specs, the max power states 20W in analogue mode, and that would mean that i cant run all of 8 Slipstreams because they would exceed the power limit... Am i wrong? Am i missing something? Sorry for being such a noob about it, but i realy dont want to fry my bigNG :rolleyes:Thanks in advance...:up:

The bigNg can provide way more than 20W in analogue mode, just make sure it gets decent airflow...

And you can't really "kill" the bigNG, if it gets to warm, it switches all fans to 12V and/or PWM

JOCKTHEGLIDE

05-12-2009, 12:38 PM

looks like pure power its the bigNG and for graphs and total monitoring its the aqua....man tough choices...very tough.

Coity

05-20-2009, 02:37 PM

Hi all, sorry to jump on this post but ive just got my t-balancer bigng, dos anyone know if this will work on vista 32bit. all i get is errir's coming up :( is there any downloads for this. all i can get to work is the navigator server and that dont do much :(( pls help

Bond Number

05-20-2009, 03:16 PM

Go to the options menu in t-balancer 2.12, then usb connection then select Device driver (API)

Coity

05-21-2009, 07:48 AM

hi bond number, ive tryed clicking on t-balancer navigator 2.12 but get a run-time error 339 component sysinfo.ocx is not registered or missing :( help

-X-hellfire

06-05-2009, 01:26 PM

-X-hellfire

06-06-2009, 07:38 AM

I installed my two T-balancer XL on a fresh install of Windows XP and copied the database tban.mdb, which contains screen locations from another monitor, 19", and its 1600x1200 resolution but now i'm temporarily running an old 14" with 800x600 resolution and can't see the T-Balancer Navigator software as it is "Off Screen" so to speak

What do I do to get it "On Screen"?

Well, it was a mistake to put the T-Balacer panels "Off Screen" and save the tban.mdb so I will connect the 19" monitor and set it to 1600x1200 resolution move the panels "On Screen" for 800x600 then switch to the 14"

Are there any simple "virtual desktop" software than can fix this mess easy?
(thus keeping a 800x600 resolution but make it scrollable to 1600x1200)

btw I haven't installed any nvidia forceware software yet as I'm going to save a ghost-image before I do

-X-hellfire

06-06-2009, 10:29 AM

Well, it was a mistake to put the T-Balacer panels "Off Screen" and save the tban.mdb so I will connect the 19" monitor and set it to 1600x1200 resolution move the panels "On Screen" for 800x600 then switch to the 14"

Are there any simple "virtual desktop" software than can fix this mess easy?
(thus keeping a 800x600 resolution but make it scrollable to 1600x1200)

btw I haven't installed any nvidia forceware software yet as I'm going to save a ghost-image before I do

Downloaded a freeware called dexpot and tried it but it prbably needed some graphiccard drivers to work properly, didnt show up any resolutions, so I uninstlled it and switched monitor.

Changed it up to 1600x1200 and found the "Off Screen" panels and positioned them for 800x600

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2401/tbal800x600.jpg

On one of the T-Balancer XL fancontrollers (fan14) the usb does not work yet, have to use FTDI and VCP-driver to run two controllers and it requires some trial and error to get working.

The T-Balancer XL fancontroller (fan58) looks weird too as the Panel for (hdd in nb 6) shows manual and 0% fanspeed but the fan it is spinning and the controller is blinking which indicates correct operation.

MasterYoda34

08-10-2009, 04:50 PM

so do these auto fan controllers require you to wire up sensors all over the case or can they use the built in sensors that you would see from something like RealTemp or a GPU monitor?

I am wondering the same thing about the T-balancer. Is is possible to control the fan speeds using the reported CPU / GPU temperature provided the t-balancer is connected via USB? Some one here must know.

Also, any word on whether the t-balancer software /drivers work on Windows 7 RTM 64bit?

ecat

08-11-2009, 04:17 AM

t-balancer can certainly access and control to SpeedFan data if this is of any help. Of course, using 3rd party apps to gather the data means control is only valid when the app and the t-ban software are up and running. Off hand I can't remember what the fans do if the sw is not running, full speed maybe or user defined manual setting ?

beast200

08-11-2009, 05:21 AM

Hi
i have my T balancer working on windows 7 64 at the present moment
had to install the software and then instal the serial to usb driver from FTDI wed site and not the driver which windows update tries to install

http://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm

cheers

mark

Factotum

01-17-2010, 05:01 PM

t-balancer review (http://factotum-blog.net/t-balancer-review)
aquaero usb 4.0 review (http://hw-lab.com/aquaero-usb-4-0-review.html)

scamps

01-18-2010, 01:00 AM

t-balancer review (http://factotum-blog.net/t-balancer-review)
aquaero usb 4.0 review (http://factotum-blog.net/aquaero-usb-4-0)

Just skimmed over you Aquaero-Review:

"10 watt power restriction for a base model of Aquaero just isn’t enough to power the most popular WC pump Laing DDC3.2 (1Plus) with power consumption of 18 watts. The use of integrated pump control features is only available for Aquastream pumps."

The old standardversion (that you have tested) is 10 W per channel and max. 30 W in total for the 4 channels. The new version with "Powerbooster" is 25 W @channel 1, 15 W per channel 2-4 and max. 45 W in total. With it you have got the opportunity to easily control any Laing DDC @channel 1 AND 20 W of fans (it´s possible to enhance this by using an additional "Poweramp") - what´s more 1 flow sensor (with usage of channel 4 even 2) and 6 temperature sensors.

All this including a very nice software, emergency shutoff dependent on rpms, flow or temperature and and and ...

Sounds like an advertising text, but I am really totally confident with this control unit.

Factotum

01-18-2010, 02:16 AM

All this including a very nice software, emergency shutoff dependent on rpms, flow or temperature and and and ...true, but it must be that way. German quality :up::up::up:

The old standardversion (that you have tested) is 10 W per channel and max. 30 W in total for the 4 channels. The new version with "Powerbooster" is 25 W @channel 1, 15 W per channel 2-4 and max. 45 W in total. here (http://hw-lab.com/aquaero-usb-4-0-review.html/5#installation) :shrug:

scamps

01-18-2010, 04:29 AM

true, but it must be that way. German quality :up::up::up:
here (http://factotum-blog.net/aquaero-usb-4-0/5) :shrug:

uuups ;)

Nevertheless you should update your Aquaero with the Powerbooster. Without the Aquaero is just a very good fan control unit with limited power out. With Powerbooster it is almost the (in Germany so called) "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" :)

Factotum

01-18-2010, 04:39 AM

the best powerbooster (http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showpost.php?p=12692751&postcount=85) :p:

Factotum

01-18-2010, 04:48 AM

With Powerbooster it is almost the (in Germany so called) "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" :)in English = all-in-one :rolleyes:

scamps

01-18-2010, 12:14 PM

the best powerbooster (http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showpost.php?p=12692751&postcount=85) :p:

... and Mr. "Liquid Cooling Museum" Spock :up:

in English = all-in-one :rolleyes:

I prefer Eierlegende Wollmilchsau :D All-in-one sounds like a boring printer device ...

:btt:

hchristian

02-17-2010, 11:46 PM

Both sounds good but I am leaning towards the Aquero with better support.

Any solutions to control multiple DDC 3.2s for dual loop purposes?

scamps

02-18-2010, 06:51 AM

Both sounds good but I am leaning towards the Aquero with better support.

Any solutions to control multiple DDC 3.2s for dual loop purposes?

Aquero with powerbooster upgrade + PowerAmp http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=2363

channel 1 (powerboosted): first DDC
channel 2: PowerAmp and behind the second DDC

hchristian

02-18-2010, 07:55 AM

Aquero with powerbooster upgrade + PowerAmp http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=2363

channel 1 (powerboosted): first DDC
channel 2: PowerAmp and behind the second DDC

Has it been implemented before? Links maybe?

I tried searching the forum but couldn't get a satisfactory answer

Another question is, if i daisy chain fans to the remaining channels (3 & 4), will I still be able to monitor/control the rpm?

Many thanks!

Church

02-18-2010, 09:31 AM

I wonder if those DIY amps from german forum have same problem as aquaero's poweramp with providing 2 volts less maximum voltage or they are using different schematics and providing full 12V? And if they are able to handle D5, or even dual D5. online autotranslated text to english is not ideal :)
IIRC commercial mCubed Fanamp provided full 12V voltage with 25W max power (and momentarily higher, for eg. fan/pump startup) .. dunno if it can be enough for D5. It would be nice if someone would test aquaero+fanamp+D5 if he has such things arround - that would be simple way to have best of both worlds (good software && power to handle lot of fans and most powerful pumps) even for those, that aren't experienced with DIY electronic scheme soldering (especially if instructions and schematics are in foreign language) - just stick one or two fanamps in aquaero's ports :)

hchristian

02-18-2010, 06:27 PM

Aquero with powerbooster upgrade + PowerAmp http://shop.aquacomputer.de/product_info.php?products_id=2363

channel 1 (powerboosted): first DDC
channel 2: PowerAmp and behind the second DDC

I read on one of Shoggy's post that dual DDCs will not work due to power draw issues during spin up http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3922930&postcount=15.

It's not quite clear whether he meant dual DDCs will not work in channel 1 simultaneously or will not work in any configuration. Nothing was mentioned about the PowerAmp however.

What effect does 10 - 10.5 V (output of PowerAmp) have on DDCs?

Church

02-18-2010, 07:28 PM

It's not quite clear whether he meant dual DDCs will not work in channel 1 simultaneously or will not work in any configuration. Nothing was mentioned about the PowerAmp however.
What effect does 10 - 10.5 V (output of PowerAmp) have on DDCs?
Effect of 10-10.5V Amp - you simply can run pump at only 80% of it max speed. Similar to speed4 of D5 vario. But the essence of using those DIY poweramps or eg. mcubed fanamp is that you get your power for pump from another separate power cable as to one feeding aquaero. It's just that voltage is regulated to be same as from aquaero, and rpms of fan or pump are forwarded to aquaero.

Shoggy

02-19-2010, 12:52 PM

@hchristian: you can use the aquaero with powerbooster for ONE pumpe. If you want more pumps you can connect one ore more poweramps to a fan channel.

hchristian

02-19-2010, 07:30 PM

@hchristian: you can use the aquaero with powerbooster for ONE pumpe. If you want more pumps you can connect one ore more poweramps to a fan channel.

Thanks Shoggy for clearing that up.

So let me sum it up :

Channel 1 : Pump with 12V
Channel 2 + Powerbooster : Pump with 10 V - 10.5 V
Channel 3 : Fan
Channel 4 : Fan

So essentially you are left with 2 channels to control fans with.
How does RPM controlling work when 2 fans are spliced to 1 channel?

Shoggy

02-20-2010, 03:35 AM

If you mean poweramp when sying powerbooster, than it is OK ;)

You will only able to monitor one RPM signal when you connect several fans to one channel.

hchristian

02-20-2010, 06:42 AM

If you mean poweramp when sying powerbooster, than it is OK ;)

You will only able to monitor one RPM signal when you connect several fans to one channel.

Thanks Shoggy, sure cleared my questions.

Now to consider the International shipping costs for an Aquero :D

The Asgard

07-06-2010, 07:32 AM

In the same boat. Is the AQUAERO the one to go for?

headala

07-12-2010, 04:21 AM

Thanks Shoggy, sure cleared my questions.

Now to consider the International shipping costs for an Aquero :D

Where do you live? I think Bitspower out of Taiwan can also ship AC stuff.

In the same boat. Is the AQUAERO the one to go for?

I have two of them; got my first around 4 1/2 years ago I think and have LOVED it.

Philwong

07-12-2010, 04:31 AM

Shoggy, can the Aquaero software be enhanced to include CPU, GPU and other temps for fan speed control?

Phil

Shoggy

07-12-2010, 08:58 AM

No, that is not possible. Would also make not much sense for fan control since the internal sensors jump up and down within seconds.

Philwong

07-12-2010, 09:11 AM

No, that is not possible. Would also make not much sense for fan control since the internal sensors jump up and down within seconds.

The CPU/GPU temp fluctuation is definitely higher than the coolant but I wouldn't say it's useless in controlling fan speed. I've been using these parameters for watercooling successfully for quite a while.

Phil

Brodholm

07-12-2010, 12:32 PM

I also have a quesiton. Can you split a temperature sensor and plug it into 2 aquaeros or is there a way for the other aquaero to read from the first one?

Or must i have 2 sensors.

headala

07-13-2010, 01:43 AM

The CPU/GPU temp fluctuation is definitely higher than the coolant but I wouldn't say it's useless in controlling fan speed. I've been using these parameters for watercooling successfully for quite a while.

Phil

This has been debated quite a bit already. If you're cooling the water you base your fan speed by the temperature of the water not the CPU, etc. Trying to run your rad fans by measuring the temp of the cpu is like me setting our AC by the temperature of my wife: she's usually quite hot but the fluctuations will make you crazy! :D

BTW, I'm going down to Tioman island tomorrow (and then back up to KL); have you ever been there? Also, are there any decent water cooling shops in KL?

headala

07-13-2010, 01:48 AM

I also have a quesiton. Can you split a temperature sensor and plug it into 2 aquaeros or is there a way for the other aquaero to read from the first one?

Or must i have 2 sensors.

The temperatures rely on minute fluctuations in resistance (I think), so that definitely would not be possible. You even have to re-calibrate them if you change the length of the cable! :eek: Keep in mind though you can put as many water temp sensors in your loop as you want.

I have two Aquaeros and I just divide up their duties: one is for monitoring surface temperatures and logging, the other is for monitoring water temperatures and pump RPM's (for automatic shutdown). It takes a bit of planning ahead but it works. You definitely have to draw it all out and label your cables carefully!

Brodholm

07-13-2010, 04:15 AM

The temperatures rely on minute fluctuations in resistance (I think), so that definitely would not be possible. You even have to re-calibrate them if you change the length of the cable! :eek: Keep in mind though you can put as many water temp sensors in your loop as you want.

I have two Aquaeros and I just divide up their duties: one is for monitoring surface temperatures and logging, the other is for monitoring water temperatures and pump RPM's (for automatic shutdown). It takes a bit of planning ahead but it works. You definitely have to draw it all out and label your cables carefully!

Thats what i thought. Im thinking of controlling 2 DDC3.2 in a dual EK pump top. And im worried that if the temperatures vary or sensors isnt calibrated the same way i will have one pump pushing the other or one pump speeding up the other one. I don't know if thats really a problem though.