Mobile CPUs... esp. Celeron 900/Intel Atom

[Loser777]

This is related to my Cheap Laptop thread, but I wanted to keep this separate since it could be considered a different topic.
I haven't regularly used a notebook/laptop since 2003... so I'm wondering how Mobile CPUs compare to desktop CPUs these days...

I'm curious esp. about the Celeron 900 and Intel Atom... since I'm probably gonna buy a Laptop that uses one of them What would be a good desktop equivalent for both in terms of processing power?
My notion of a Celeron is a hot low efficiency Prescott... is the Celeron 900 have a Conroe or Prescott based core?

Also, I've noticed that the Turions are starting to get really cheap... how do they compare to the Intel alternative?

[Evilsizer]

well a Atom 230 which HT is equal to a Banis 1.4ghz mobile cpu... depending on what your going to use the laptop for, just email,surfing,writing papers. i would go with a Atom setup.... if you need something with a bit o gaming in mind then go with a AMD setup.. dont even consider a "netburst" based mobile cpu...

[bot@xs]

the atom 330 is dual core and is a nice setup for the price. not breath taking in performance but acceptable. very low power usage

[bot@xs]

here is the intel atom 230 with board
Intel BOXD945GCLF Intel Atom processor 230 Intel 945GC Mini ITX - $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121342&Tpk=intel

and here the intel atom 330 dual core - not a lot of places have them available and intel has not released much information about it
Intel BOXD945GCLF2 Intel Atom processor 330
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF2-Mini-ITX-Motherboard?sc=8&category=100

[Evilsizer]

the atom 330 is dual core and is a nice setup for the price. not breath taking in performance but acceptable. very low power usage

your not going to find Atom 330 in a netbook soon. Asus is coming out with a slightly bigger Eee pc, with a Atom 330 in it...
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/220875/pictures-of-eee-pcs-big-brother-leak-online.html

would be nice to know pricing on it...

*edit*
doh i was thinking this was about laptops... LOL

anyway.. Atom 330 setup is the exact same as Atom 230. for the intel reference boards have the same layout, atom 330 had a s-vid connector on the back io where atom 230 setup doesnt. other then that the NB-HS shrunk a bit and the cpu hs got roughly 3x bigger but still no fan added to it. the chipset/southbridge is still the exact same...

*edit*
here are some performance numbers
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=200959

[bot@xs]

oh lappies only? my bad, i thought it was mobil cpu's in general, specifically the 900 cell and the atom. well, it's out there. would be nice seeing the 330 in a lappy.
seeing that the asus eee pc with the atom 230 can get up 7 hours battery time with 6 cell's

[Loser777]

I'm talking about the 1.6GHz Atom that's found in the MSI Wind/other netbooks...

How would my 2.66GHz Prescott Celeron compare to the 1.6GHz Atom or Celeron 900?

[Evilsizer]

I'm talking about the 1.6GHz Atom that's found in the MSI Wind/other netbooks...

How would my 2.66GHz Prescott Celeron compare to the 1.6GHz Atom or Celeron 900?

well there are 2 celeron 900's i came across... one is a older P3 based coppermine core, the other is a banis based core. Both run at 900mhz the banis core is more eff per clock then the older P3 based one. Atom @1.6ghz would = a 1.4ghz banis. Making the atom@1.6ghz faster then the Celeron 900 P3 one and banis based one. based on the sandra numbers im looking at a P4 at 2.66ghz is slightly faster then the Atom 1.6ghz (aka N270 in Eee pc's). keep in mind the P4 based laptop will use more then the atom one and run hotter as well. the atom setup is one of the best work per watt setups right now...

[zanzabar]

the via C7 is faster than the atom, but there arnt many offerings with it

[TRF-Inferno]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-cpu,1947-9.html

I've used the HP 2133 with the VIA C7-M, and it's very anemic. Not Transmeta Crusoe anemic, but it's close. I have no idea why HP decided to put Vista on it.

[Evilsizer]

the via C7 is faster than the atom, but there arnt many offerings with it

umm you mean Via Nano@1.6GHz is faster then Atom@1.6GHz w/HT...
http://www.cpu3d.com/news/4665-1/the-battle-begins-intel-atom-vs-via-isaiah/introduction.html
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=61564&highlight=crystalmark
http://hothardware.com/Articles/VIA_Nano_L2100_vs_Intel_Atom_230_Head_to_Head/?page=1
http://laptopcom.blogspot.com/2008/04/first-benchmark-atom-cpu-vs-via-isaiah.html
Isaiah = Nano

if you give me a bit i can run CrystalMark2004R3 on Atom 330(1.6GHz dual core w/HT) for comparsion to their numbers.

[Evilsizer]

ok so lets go over some numbers now...
my Atom 330 setup...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v733/Evilsizer/ocforums/Atom/crystalmark2004r3atom330.jpg

from this link
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=61564&highlight=crystalmark

VIA C7@1.6ghz
2890ALU , 2664FPU
VIA Nano@1.6ghz
7619ALU , 4762FPU
Atom 230/N270/Z530 (all are the same 1.6ghz clock speed with Hyper-Threading)
5472ALU , 4601FPU
Atom 330
10530ALU, 9151FPU


now if you look at atom they way it should be, work per watt. just for now look at the Atom 230/N270/Z530, you can see here how much less power is used by Atom setups vs VIA nano.
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUzNSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

**in bold red are my Atom 330 results**

[Loser777]

Well, all the current netbooks seem to only have the crappy 1.2GHz VIA C7-M.

How do the Turions compare in this mess? (This looks pretty attractive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115497), but I hate buying Dell/HP/Acer products.

ATI X1250 :up: ... but shared Video Memory.

Random: Is there any place that still sells cheap barebooks?

[Duh]

the atom 330 is dual core and is a nice setup for the price. not breath taking in performance but acceptable. very low power usage

Would atom 330 be enough for mp3, web browsing, and msn and divx? Do this cpus require HS?
sorry to ask in your thread ( if it bothers I wont hesitate to delete my post).

[Evilsizer]

Would atom 330 be enough for mp3, web browsing, and msn and divx? Do this cpus require HS?
sorry to ask in your thread ( if it bothers I wont hesitate to delete my post).

atom 230/330 setups are MITX and have a hs included/attached. atom 230 can encode a 10min clip from mpg to dvix in just over 10mins at 80% setting in AutoGK. dont expect either Atom 230 or 330 to do playback of 720P, audio is out of sync. if the cpu speed was faster then it would be no issue..

[Loser777]

Alright, is there any place that sells incredibly cheap barebooks?

[Evilsizer]

lots of chioces
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=barebones+laptop

[Loser777]

I know how to do a google search... does anyone know any reputable sellers?

[Evilsizer]

thenerds.net is a good place to buy from and i hear so is Lagoom.com. you cant go wrong with buy.com or zipzoomfly.com..

[Loser777]

After looking at a couple models, it looks like building a notebook isn't much of a bargain... I have a phobia of installing wi-fi modules anyway. Back to retail :(

Looks like the Atom 270 is the most common model... anyone got any numbers for it?

[Evilsizer]

Looks like the Atom 270 is the most common model... anyone got any numbers for it?

what kind of numbers?

you can use Atom 230 results as both cpus have HT and run at 1.6ghz with 512kb L2. the difference between the two is that the N270 is a 2.5watt TDP vs 4watts for Atom 230.