Cooling BlackOps: Air & Water [Archive]

TheGanG

09-10-2008, 12:59 PM

Under heavy conditions, it's a good idea watering NB with CPU:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1893/waterloopnm8.jpg

As a gaming rig, some fan coolers should also fit to BlackOps, thus i decided to try out some fan coolers last night. Noctua NH-U12P and Cooler Master Hyper Z600 are both fit to mobo without any issue and work prety good:

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9169/22222nb5.jpg
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9845/33333vm9.jpg

DuOrb is another choice and helps cooling whole body; DDR3s, Phases and some other chips, but doesn't fit easy and superpositions with NB and needs to be filed:

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3105/11111bbbbbgk1.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3331/11111aaaaahm9.jpg

Rig: E8600/BlackOps/KingstonHX14400/9800GX2SC/HighPower 1000W&560W/Twkd&Tnd&Light*XP/sum watering & fan stuff...

UPDATE for NB Fan:

NOCTUA has just one position (not two!) without NB Fan issue:
But NOCTUA's fan should be very close to PSU Fan. Works good...
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/8641/noctuaey6.jpg

CoolerMaster's position without NB Fan issue:
U can use just one NB Fan screw. Works good...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8135/cmpk8.jpg

DuOrb has just one position (not two!) without NB Fan issue:
Works good...
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3189/duorbym6.jpg

HDCHOPPER

09-11-2008, 06:12 PM

man those are some beautiful water fittings you have thier !

reminds me of my jet engine days :D

jolliffee

09-12-2008, 07:25 AM

Well I'm an airhead,,
But the NB is an issue

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/P1000681.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/P1000684.jpg

I solved that with a thin fan..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/P1000678.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/P1000677.jpg

What I'd like is a nice coolpipe heatsink to fit the side of the NB

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/IMG00035.jpg

TheGanG

09-12-2008, 07:46 AM

man those are some beautiful water fittings you have thier !

reminds me of my jet engine days :D

Thanks, fittings and tubing are actually for high pressured air systems... I agree, seems beautiful...

Well I'm an airhead,,
But the NB is an issue
I solved that with a thin fan..

Not easy to use an air cooling system on BlackOps, partly because of NB; it's snarling to aircooling systems like a watchdog... :cool:

What I'd like is a nice coolpipe heatsink to fit the side of the NB

Good idea!

saaya

09-14-2008, 04:34 AM

thanks for sharing gang! :toast:
nice fittings indeed, are they plug n play or how do you screw the hoses tight?

i added your infos to the cooling complatibility thread here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194190

what watercooling system are you using btw?
Id like to add it to the list as well, looks like swiftech? or Dtek from germany?

What I'd like is a nice coolpipe heatsink to fit the side of the NB
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/IMG00035.jpgpm me your address, i think i have a few of those heatpipe extension heatsinks for the nb block laying around :D

negev

09-14-2008, 04:53 AM

Yeah this board is seriously limited with big aircoolers, I don't recommend the Thermaltake Ultra120A to anyone with this board ;)

http://www.dontbeshy.net/14092008.jpg

saaya

09-14-2008, 05:46 AM

Thermaltake Ultra120A, is it different from the ultra120? :confused:
im using it and our engineers too, tho we dont fully mount them since we swap cpus a lot :D
whats the problem?

negev

09-14-2008, 05:50 AM

I think they're basically the same, the problem is the NB fan pushes the 120 Fan up a bit, and also using this heatsink the first blue ram slot is unusable and the clips for the fan push against the ram stick in the first slot... its just too big, i need a water kit

saaya

09-14-2008, 07:41 AM

are you sure you can mount the fan a bit higher and then the 1st ram slot is usable and it fits with the nb as well?
ill check tomorrow :)

negev

09-14-2008, 07:52 AM

The fan is already higher than it should be because of the fan on the nb, and its the side of the heatsink fins that are blocking the first ram slot.

If I mounted the heatsink 45 degrees I could use the first ram slot, but then the heatsink would be right on top of the nb and i wouldn't be able to use the fan (and it probably wouldn't even fit either)

TheGanG

09-14-2008, 08:46 AM

thanks for sharing gang! :toast:
nice fittings indeed, are they plug n play or how do you screw the hoses tight??
Thanks saaya, fittings are plug n play...

what watercooling system are you using btw?
Id like to add it to the list as well, looks like swiftech? or Dtek from germany?

it's Silverstone Tundra's WB (screwed/backplated)... actually i use EK Supreme-Acetal with LGA 775 montage kit and backplate...

btw, i have some other air cooling kits for testing in a few days...

Edit: BlackOps is very strong under LN2...

Yeah this board is seriously limited with big aircoolers, I don't recommend the Thermaltake Ultra120A to anyone with this board

Should Thermaltake be Thermalright Ultra 120 / Extreme?

jolliffee

09-14-2008, 11:11 AM

Hi Negev, if you turn your cooler round and use a thin fan on th NB you'll get access to the first meory slot, see I did this ;-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/P1000677.jpg

Xello

09-14-2008, 12:07 PM

Looking good Gang, can you tell us what difference air and water makes to the NB temperatures on an identicle high-ish voltage, say 1.6-1.7v?

I'd be interested to know :up: Thanks.

TheGanG

09-14-2008, 12:34 PM

Looking good Gang, can you tell us what difference air and water makes to the NB temperatures on an identicle high-ish voltage, say 1.6-1.7v?

I'd be interested to know :up: Thanks.

NB Covered!/No Fan/1.28V (aegis)/40°C (aegis)
NB Watered/1.28V (aegis)/28°C (aegis)
NB Watered/1.54V (aegis)/37°C (aegis)
NB Cold Watered/1.73V (aegis)/23°C (aegis)
NB Cold Watered/1.77V (aegis)/26°C (aegis)

With Cold Water up to 1.77V, no more... ??? dunno...

I haven't stock fan values :confused: next time i make a stock fan/stock water test for 1.7V ;)

Xello

09-14-2008, 01:26 PM

NB Covered!/No Fan/1.28V (aegis)/40°C (aegis)
NB Watered/1.28V (aegis)/28°C (aegis)
NB Watered/1.54V (aegis)/37°C (aegis)
NB Cold Watered/1.73V (aegis)/23°C (aegis)
NB Cold Watered/1.77V (aegis)/26°C (aegis)

With Cold Water up to 1.77V, no more... ??? dunno...

I haven't stock fan values :confused: next time i make a stock fan/stock water test for 1.7V ;)

Thanks Gang, what about load temps (sorry should have said that), say during a prime blend test? :)

TheGanG

09-14-2008, 01:58 PM

Thanks Gang, what about load temps (sorry should have said that), say during a prime blend test? :)

just time matter, recently making my tests...

550*7:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/3321/94707465zu5.jpg

saaya

09-14-2008, 06:45 PM

damn thats a nice nb temp there for such a high chipset voltage :D
are you using chilled water?

TheGanG

09-14-2008, 11:30 PM

damn thats a nice nb temp there for such a high chipset voltage :D
are you using chilled water?

Yeah chilled water, about 18-19°C

saaya

09-15-2008, 01:54 AM

nice :D
compressor or tec chilled?
for cpu and nb and gpu?
any pics? :D

negev

09-15-2008, 04:19 AM

Use a thin fan on the Blackops nb? Lolz!! Mine already peaks at 66C with 1.6v which is **crazy** hot!

Anyone know if a 60mm fan would fit? I.e. can you use one screwhole at each end (lengthways) of the nb sink?

Xello

09-15-2008, 06:19 AM

Yeah chilled water, about 18-19°C

That's great :) I'm slumming it with some 'regular' water cooling here...

Use a thin fan on the Blackops nb? Lolz!! Mine already peaks at 66C with 1.6v which is **crazy** hot!

That's the reason i asked Gang to share his results, your NB is incredibly hot and if he has lower temps than you with a similar cooling solution on the NB then it could point to a problem elsewhere for you.

jolliffee

09-15-2008, 06:37 AM

Looking good Gang, can you tell us what difference air and water makes to the NB temperatures on an identicle high-ish voltage, say 1.6-1.7v? I'd be interested to know :up: Thanks.

No sure if this is helpful, all on air - this is my 24x7 settings run IntelBurnTest, ambient was 26, and NB peaked at 53.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/1Ambient26onSept11IntelBurnTest6pas.jpg

TheGanG

09-15-2008, 08:22 AM

nice :D
compressor or tec chilled?
for cpu and nb and gpu?
any pics? :D

i have a LG airconditioner direct to mobo and regular ice or d-ice chilled water cooler.
Also have a d-ice/LN2 pot for MHz/3D tests...
Tec was my first chiller experience :) GPUs are stock but looking for a good wb...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1002/11111ow1tw1.jpg

negev

09-15-2008, 11:52 AM

TheGanG

09-15-2008, 12:21 PM

SilverStone NT06 Evolution fan cooler has some big issues... :(

Noway with stock NB Fan, but choosing another thin Fan should be a good choice (as some people talk about there). Another choice; if we turn NT06, 90 degrees, it could help NB cooling too (not with high NB voltages). NT06 hasn't a fan in it's stock box, but with a FM123, they both make a good job for CPU and NB...

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8849/img0747vo6.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/8761/img0750xo3.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5971/img0751ue2.jpg

TheGanG

09-15-2008, 01:01 PM

Well i have my huge Ultra-120A very close to the NB so i guess heat from that could be affecting the NB.

Anyway its not so much of a problem anymore as I just got a wicked deal on a watercooling kit:

Swiftech Apogee GTZ
Swiftech MCP655
Swiftech MCR320
DangerDan G1/4 1/2" barbs
Micro-micro res
10 clamps
EK 4870 waterblock
FeserOne UV black Fluid

USD$220 plus my Geil DDR3 sticks :D Shame its gonna be three weeks for delivery though :(

Hey TheGang - what voltage do you run your NB at? Mine peaks at 66C when I pump 1.6v into it and ramp the fsb up to something like 416-423.

At 400x8 with 1.5v it idles at 48 peaks maybe 53C which matches your run which is the same fsb 400x8.

WATER WATER WATER WATER WATER WATER WATER!!!

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/320/1111111copymr0.jpg

Your watercooling choice and setup, both are good ideas bro ;) But CPU, NB and GPU should probably generate high water temps under OC conditions, be careful please... And yeah, water water water lol!

I run up to 1.78V on NB cuz have a 18°C watercooling there. But i dunno air temps yet...
345*9FSB>1.28V//500*10FSB>1.54V//570*7.5FSB>1.73V//575*7FSB>1.77V//585*7FSB>1.78V

saaya

09-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Use a thin fan on the Blackops nb? Lolz!! Mine already peaks at 66C with 1.6v which is **crazy** hot!
:eek: whats your ambient and case temp man?

i have a LG airconditioner direct to mobo and regular ice or d-ice chilled water cooler.
Also have a d-ice/LN2 pot for MHz/3D tests...
Tec was my first chiller experience :) GPUs are stock but looking for a good wb...

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1002/11111ow1tw1.jpgmake sure you dont get any condensation on the board with the AC right next to it. :D

Well i have my huge Ultra-120A very close to the NB so i guess heat from that could be affecting the NB.

Anyway its not so much of a problem anymore as I just got a wicked deal on a watercooling kit:

Swiftech Apogee GTZ
Swiftech MCP655
Swiftech MCR320
DangerDan G1/4 1/2" barbs
Micro-micro res
10 clamps
EK 4870 waterblock
FeserOne UV black Fluid

USD$220 plus my Geil DDR3 sticks :D Shame its gonna be three weeks for delivery though :(what radiator are you using?
is the MCR a radiator? ^^

TheGanG

09-15-2008, 11:21 PM

make sure you dont get any condensation on the board with the AC right next to it. :D

Sure, thanks! So i don't let water temp below 18/20°C under load.

That black "NB LN2 Pot" is a crazy idea, sucks. But it works very good as a NB water cooling block, helps lowering whole system temps...

raptor1

09-16-2008, 05:01 AM

this is my current setup

in the second picture the fan on the nb is roughly at 15degrees, it is very hard to make out in the picture

this was suggested by saaya and appears to keep the nb temperatures down

this only a temporary measure as i intend to go watercooling on the nb and cpu when i decide what watercooling kit to go for

raptor1

TheGanG

09-16-2008, 06:04 AM

saaya

09-17-2008, 05:43 PM

That black "NB LN2 Pot" is a crazy idea, sucks.
hmmm really?
what exactly is the problem when using it for ln2?
shamino did it a few times and said it worked well, as long as you insulate the board properly (since the nb doesnt produce that much heat its easy to freeze half the board by pouring too much ln2 onto the nb :D)

im open for suggestions and will forward any feedback to improve the next cooling version, so let me know if you dont like something and tell me wy and how to make it better! :toast:

TheGanG

09-18-2008, 01:22 AM

hmmm really?
what exactly is the problem when using it for ln2?
shamino did it a few times and said it worked well, as long as you insulate the board properly (since the nb doesnt produce that much heat its easy to freeze half the board by pouring too much ln2 onto the nb :D)

im open for suggestions and will forward any feedback to improve the next cooling version, so let me know if you dont like something and tell me wy and how to make it better! :toast:

BlackOps' NB LN2 cooler is an innovative idea, that's clear. Thanks to the team... Actually works good as a water cooling unit, even more then other NB coolers and cools Mosfets and SB as well. Under LN2, sure we insuate board. But i wonder how could we insulate under the NB, Mosfet and SB section? A neoprene seal for NB and SB chips maybe, but inconvenient for passive air cooling. Dismounting whole cooler, isolating this area and mounting cooler again? That would be a crazy action. Is there any pics of shamino's LN2 work? Would be kinda guide for sum peepz there... ;)

Sorry for "Crazy", sounds not friendly lol...

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5537/22222vn2.jpg

TheGanG

09-20-2008, 03:24 AM

hmmm really?
what exactly is the problem when using it for ln2?
shamino did it a few times and said it worked well, as long as you insulate the board properly (since the nb doesnt produce that much heat its easy to freeze half the board by pouring too much ln2 onto the nb :D)

im open for suggestions and will forward any feedback to improve the next cooling version, so let me know if you dont like something and tell me wy and how to make it better! :toast:

There are some people with NB LN2 Pot issues:
Saaya, it would be great showing us a guide...

Well my Blackops arrived yesterday and sure is a sweet motherboard.

But only problems that I can spot right off the bat is the cooling tower for the NB. I setup my F1 pot and the tower and there isn't a great deal of room for insulation. Not real sure how to go about insulating the NB tower anyway.

Well I can go with water cooling on that, will still have problems running my chiller with that also.

Anyway, full details of the MB can be found over on XS.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... p?t=187156

And over clocking it.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho ... p?t=187199

Was just playing around with it and setting up pots :)

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9853/img0344ss4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.411overkill.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=1864