Feser DDC Pump Top Pictures

[bentleya]

Price, 19.90 (euros) around $29.426 (US Dollar) £15.889 (British Pound) $33.954 (AUS Dollar)
Fittings, 2 x feser compression fitting (1/2" version)
Oring, 1 x feser O ring (blue if you get blue leds, green if you get green leds, red if you get red leds and orange if you get orange leds)
LED's, 1 x feser module with 2 LED's (blue if you get blue Oring, green if you get green Oring, red if you get red Oring and orange if you get orange Oring)




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[marcus000]

Sorry but that looks dire! :eek:

[IanY]

My poor eyes... I need sunglasses.. maybe a welder's mask..

[Sparky]

lol this one looked like some robotic cyclops bug or something :lol2:

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/DSC_1285.jpg

[Arni]

Ugliest top ever

[Zaskar]

Needs more shots without the LEDs, with them on the details are lost.

[philbrown23]

yeah, whats the price? if it's more expensive than the xspc top, not a whole lot of people will buy IMO.

[NaeKuh]

My poor eyes... I need sunglasses.. maybe a welder's mask..

IM BLINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :cool:

[IanY]

Does it not SPEAK VOLUMES about the company Feser ?

[DarthBeavis]

No option for intake on top and front? They should get one from DD or Koolance to see a good hole configuration. Way better than that of even the XSPC.

[twwen2]

That is fricken ugly :shakes:

[BlueAqua]

Wow, those pictures are horrible for marketing. You can't just shove some led's in a plastic box on a pump and get us to buy it. I want a welder's mask too.

[eXa]

Eww... terrible pics for a terrible looking top.

[Rise]

what's it made out of? looks kinda like LEGOs. I like LEGOs... but not to cool my PC :/

[lyl]

Let it be known, Blingville and it's Chairman, will NOT support the Feser DDC top...:down:

Can i be a board member? I support this decision.

[lyl]

All Blingers are welcome in Blingville.......
Sweet... ill need my compression fitting shipment asap.

[Rise]

Ya know, I was just thinking. I could get one of those tops with the LED and put it on top my house to ward off low flying planes. Damn sure looks brite enough in those pics to work.

andyc

I thinking more along the lines of putting a few on the roof of my car and go joy riding.

or use them as exit signs.

or put them in a old school photography room.

or use them as a ground effects kit.

or ... you get the picture :rofl:

[_G_]

Any money shots of the interior?
Could care less about the led's, i want to see where the rotor goes lol.

[Xilikon]

Maybe Feser stole all the plane landing track lights and sold under the DDC name... I need a soldering mask now !

[RickCain]

I must say that is f'ng ugly

[roofsniper]

what's it made out of? looks kinda like LEGOs. I like LEGOs... but not to cool my PC :/

someone should get some legos and make a pump top. imagine how easy it would be to break that. :yepp:

[Waterlogged]

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/DSC_1282.jpg

:shock:


The great Satan has risen! You shall be smitten like the rest.


Seriously though, it might be high flow but that means more than likely it won't perform as well as the top tops (XSPC, Petra's, Alphacool). ;)

[Xilikon]

Oh, watercooled stop lights!!

[C'DaleRider]

Oh, watercooled stop lights!!

:rofl::ROTF:

[disruptfam]

best looking and best performing top no doubt!

O_o

[Rise]

O_o
QFT :ROTF:

[holwill]

I must say that is f'ng ugly

+1 :down:

[drbhatti]

disgusting

[prosser13]

Woha - I don't think I've ever seen so much hate a few dark pictures =/

I had a chat with Mario about this a couple of days ago; Laing have helped in the design of the product, and the flow rate should be the top of the market so I'm guessing they've put an emphasis on this.

Give them a chance to get some decent photos and some testing results out onto the market before you start throwing abuse at it; they are trying to help you improve your systems with a better top :)

[TedShred]

Well, it's better than dog poo and I recall reading that some guys would be okay with that as long it performed. (But honestly, geez, I agree... not so attractiv in the pics. The 4 LEDs are pretty overwhelming)

[prosser13]

Then they need to tone down the bling a little bit then IMO

The LEDs are optional for a reason - not everyone likes them.

:)

[HaCKs]

At least it is so ugly that it might be the hottest :banana::banana::banana::banana: ever in Bizarro world!

[TedShred]

I wonder, say if you had a dual loop and were stealthing the pumps somewhere (eg. I think a few guys have put pumps in one of the hdd trays on a Cosmos 1000), you'd have quite the cool glow from that 8-LED light show without having to look directly at the mega-glow source. Though nothing that couldn't be done with separate LEDs and would really only be a convenience, so I guess it would again boil down to performance.

[Akuma2000]

I guess these pictures are better :D


http://i35.tinypic.com/k0gjgk.jpg
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http://www.abload.de/img/img_3731zz3.jpg
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[majestik]

So the whole purpose of all those slits and ridges and what not is to make it blindingly-shiny? No thanks.

[D-Cyph3r]

Still looks like it's made of thin, cheap plastic...

[Koen]

So the whole purpose of all those slits and ridges and what not is to make it blindingly-shiny? No thanks.

It actually just makes it look cheap and weak :stick: , tops made of milled acrylic solids FTW!

[Bojamijams]

Still looks ugly.. only redeeming quality is the mounting system which will allow cooling of the DDC

[marcus000]

I guess these pictures are better :D


Keep guessing! :p:

[Stealth42o]

That is fricken ugly :shakes:

Yup

[lennox]

the plastic does look really thin and "cheap" but not more so than the DDC base itself. eh.. I still wouldn't buy it :down:

[eXa]

Keep guessing! :p:

Well the pictures are better... but the top is still just as ugly as before.

[bentleya]

WOW time for some replys :p:



Sorry but that looks dire! :eek:

Marcus my friend, :) cant say anything :p:


My poor eyes... I need sunglasses.. maybe a welder's mask..

Will get some pictures with no leds :p: but some have been posted on page 3


lol this one looked like some robotic cyclops bug or something :lol2:

ERmmmmm ........ got no answer for this



Ugliest top ever

remeber this is pre production model there have got to make few changes :shrug: dunno what yet.


Ew. I'll pass...

Ashraf i think we shound wait to full release and some testing before saying that :cool:


TBH, looks very toy like IMO. And even though they are low voltage LEDS, they still create heat and I wouldn't want to use them. And I like shinny things that glow:D I would be interested to see how it performs. Might bring that whole "cat turd" mentality back into play if it performs well. But it would have to be one kickass performer with them looks.

andyc

It is a moulded top not like most which are machined out of a plexi, alu, copper, brass, derlin and any other thing. :up:


Needs more shots without the LEDs, with them on the details are lost.

:up: some on page 3 but will get my own


yeah, whats the price? if it's more expensive than the xspc top, not a whole lot of people will buy IMO.

Not sure on price yet as its not been released yet, still in testing and changing mode :)



IM BLINDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD :cool:

:ROTF: DDDDDDDDDDD not sure with leds my self


Does it not SPEAK VOLUMES about the company Feser ?

Not sure what you mean :confused::confused:


yeah,

Evidently they like brite shinny things that glow too:D A little to much I would say, as a matter of fact. I mean I'm all for things looking nice with a little pazazz, but OMG it hurts me to look at that thing.

andyc

andy will see if can get some pics as well with not as many leds in :cool:


No option for intake on top and front? They should get one from DD or Koolance to see a good hole configuration. Way better than that of even the XSPC.

the setup is done purly to get best performnce out of but from a modders view nothing is right :D there cant please everyone :D but i guess there can try


That is fricken ugly :shakes:

Cant comment :)


Wow, those pictures are horrible for marketing. You can't just shove some led's in a plastic box on a pump and get us to buy it. I want a welder's mask too.

these where the pictures feser gave me :D will see if you can get discount for a mask tho, but it is a chose if you want to use the leds or not :yepp:


Eww... terrible pics for a terrible looking top.

:shakes:


what's it made out of? looks kinda like LEGOs. I like LEGOs... but not to cool my PC :/

no lego :( wound be cool, moulded plastic


Can i be a board member? I support this decision.

:up::up: up to you


All Blingers are welcome in Blingville.......

you do same some wired things :rofl:


I don't know dude, I wouldn't be putting down LEGO's like that.:ROTF: LEGO's are much nicer looking IMO.:up:

andyc

sounds like you all like lego like me ermm got some spare lego, lets see if i cound make a pump top :ROTF::ROTF:


Sweet... ill need my compression fitting shipment asap.

:D:D glad someone likes it, i'm not sure if you get compression fittings with it like you do with the rad :cool:


Ya know, I was just thinking. I could get one of those tops with the LED and put it on top my house to ward off low flying planes. Damn sure looks brite enough in those pics to work.

andyc

:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:


I thinking more along the lines of putting a few on the roof of my car and go joy riding.

or use them as exit signs.

or put them in a old school photography room.

or use them as a ground effects kit.

or ... you get the picture :rofl:

:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF: Depends on the car :D


I don't know, now that I think about it more, I'd be afraid to put that thing on top of my house.

I live to close to a Railway Yard. That things so ugly it might make a incoming freight train jump its tracks.

andyc

:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF: right :p: lol

[bentleya]

Any money shots of the interior?
Could care less about the led's, i want to see where the rotor goes lol.

Like i said in the reply's above will try to get some more in depth pictures :cool:


The "rotor", it goes in the middle of the LEGO block...:up:

:ROTF::ROTF:


Maybe Feser stole all the plane landing track lights and sold under the DDC name... I need a soldering mask now !

Germany is not a big place prob why there not many air ports :ROTF:


I must say that is f'ng ugly

No comment


Oh Lawd yes!

If I had a dog that ugly I'd shave it's ass and make it walk backwards when I took it out.

andyc

i wound defo buy that dog :p: any chance of a release in the uk soon


someone should get some legos and make a pump top. imagine how easy it would be to break that. :yepp:

said i wound try :p: need a few ddc first


:shock:


The great Satan has risen! You shall be smitten like the rest.


Seriously though, it might be high flow but that means more than likely it won't perform as well as the top tops (XSPC, Petra's, Alphacool). ;)

just because it is different don't knock it to the tests :D


Oh, watercooled stop lights!!

:confused::confused:


:rofl::ROTF:

:rolleyes:


LMAO:rofl:,

Just get some amber and green LED's and your all set.

andyc

Govements could save thousands and use them as traffic lights


best looking and best performing top no doubt!

O_o

O_o O_o O_o O_o


QFT :ROTF:

love this smily


+1 :down:

+1 :up:


disgusting

No comment


Woha - I don't think I've ever seen so much hate a few dark pictures =/

I had a chat with Mario about this a couple of days ago; Laing have helped in the design of the product, and the flow rate should be the top of the market so I'm guessing they've put an emphasis on this.

Give them a chance to get some decent photos and some testing results out onto the market before you start throwing abuse at it; they are trying to help you improve your systems with a better top :)

thank you bro, james :D well said :)


Well, it's better than dog poo and I recall reading that some guys would be okay with that as long it performed. (But honestly, geez, I agree... not so attractiv in the pics. The 4 LEDs are pretty overwhelming)

:cool: don't use leds then :P its a option


The LEDs are optional for a reason - not everyone likes them.

:)

2 posts in my thread bit of a change for you :D well said again


Then they need to tone down the bling a little bit then IMO, and only IMO. Why 4 LED holes, give me a break if they're that concerned with performance. Again just my opinon, but there seems to be another agenda with Feser equal too, or greater than their gears performance.

andyc

:cool::rolleyes::cool:


At least it is so ugly that it might be the hottest :banana::banana::banana::banana: ever in Bizarro world!

me not a fan of banana's :(


I wonder, say if you had a dual loop and were stealthing the pumps somewhere (eg. I think a few guys have put pumps in one of the hdd trays on a Cosmos 1000), you'd have quite the cool glow from that 8-LED light show without having to look directly at the mega-glow source. Though nothing that couldn't be done with separate LEDs and would really only be a convenience, so I guess it would again boil down to performance.

1/2 fat boys with this and a ddc ultra = best pump available so there say :cool:


I guess these pictures are better :D



thanks will get my own soon :D


So the whole purpose of all those slits and ridges and what not is to make it blindingly-shiny? No thanks.

:D i'm not to sure i fort there where to stop it breaking under pressure :)


Still looks like it's made of thin, cheap plastic...

moulded plastic :cool:


It actually just makes it look cheap and weak :stick: , tops made of milled acrylic solids FTW!


just wait for tests :P you never no there may end up doing that :D


Still looks ugly.. only redeeming quality is the mounting system which will allow cooling of the DDC

:p: i do like the mouting system but profer my ones i got designed up here :up:

[bentleya]

Keep guessing! :p:

not good at guessing like you know :(


Yup

no comment


the plastic does look really thin and "cheap" but not more so than the DDC base itself. eh.. I still wouldn't buy it :down:

like said few times wait for tests and wait for me to get better photos :D


Well the pictures are better... but the top is still just as ugly as before.

:(:(

[Hidetaka]

Dear Lord! You answered to ALL posts :eek:

Do you work for Feser? Honestly!

[bentleya]

yer i went quote mad, i fort i i quote some not fair on others so did the whole lot :D :p: and no i don't work for feser :D i am sponsored by them :D for my modding work :D wound be cool to work for them wound have so many more products out now :p:

[Navanod]

Good grief!!! LONGEST ANSWERS I'VE EVER SEEN!! THIS MAY GO INTO THE GUINESS BOOK OF RECORDS!

[mr-rob]

This top is quite ugly for sure...
But, I don't really think TFC will produce such a top without some perf'.
In one of my rig, i've got X-changer 360+tube+FeserONe and i'm very happy with that. It just needs a better design... I'm waiting for test results.

BTW look at the XSPC's top: quality is really really bad, plastic suxXx... But it's not a problem just because it roxXxes.

[Yozzman]

Mmm make a solid one out of acrylic or the black stuff...
Looks better IMHO.
Molded means it is cheaper to make than a solid one.
Less material and a no milling machines...

Give one to martin for a test ;)
Then we can say something about performance!

[bentleya]

More info guys

Price, 19.90 (euros)
Fittings, 2 x feser compression fitting (1/2" version)
Oring, 1 x feser O ring (blue if you get blue leds, green if you get green leds, red if you get red leds and orange if you get orange leds)
LED's, 1 x feser module with 2 LED's (blue if you get blue Oring, green if you get green Oring, red if you get red Oring and orange if you get orange Oring)

NO LED's Pictures, (will also put in OP) (repeat not my photos but uploaded to my pb)


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/top60pz.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/top33bl.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/top1crg.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/top171aa.jpg


right heres some more pictues with leds :D again not my pictures but my photobucket thanks bundymania for these :up::up:


http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/img_375644i.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/img_374793f.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/img_37381qe.jpg

[bentleya]

This top is quite ugly for sure...
But, I don't really think TFC will produce such a top without some perf'.
In one of my rig, i've got X-changer 360+tube+FeserONe and i'm very happy with that. It just needs a better design... I'm waiting for test results.

BTW look at the XSPC's top: quality is really really bad, plastic suxXx... But it's not a problem just because it roxXxes.

few people have had nosie issue with xspc top so there not perfect :up: but best at the moment :) tests will revel which is best :)


Mmm make a solid one out of acrylic or the black stuff...
Looks better IMHO.
Molded means it is cheaper to make than a solid one.
Less material and a no milling machines...

Give one to martin for a test ;)
Then we can say something about performance!

the black stuff is delrin / actel BTW and i'm sure there will be glad to give one to martin to test, just not sure he will test it tho with his retument

[vkbms]

Against all.....I like it.....

I'll hope to test one in the next weeks.... ;)

[Yozzman]

few people have had nosie issue with xspc top so there not perfect :up: but best at the moment :) tests will revel which is best :)



the black stuff is delrin / actel BTW and i'm sure there will be glad to give one to martin to test, just not sure he will test it tho with his retument

I know that's delrin :P

Yeah, 2bad... But he will finish his CPU roundup tho! :up:

Price is on par with other tops... :(

[Sparky]

So wait, maybe I missed it, but why is the outlet on this protrusion on the top that hangs over the side of the pump?

[orclev]

So wait, maybe I missed it, but why is the outlet on this protrusion on the top that hangs over the side of the pump?

Was wondering that myself. Maybe it's purely visual? Perhaps it helps to ensure the top is properly centered and mounted on the pump?

[Eddie3dfx]

Looks like a jello shot :)
I kind of like it, but personally I like the petra black or xspc top better.
Wonder how it performs though

[RCG_Bex]

Looks crap but I lose those 5.25" mounts.... *prepares to defend self*

~Bex

[bentleya]

Against all.....I like it.....

I'll hope to test one in the next weeks.... ;)

NOT AGIANT ALL :D me likes :p: and i hope to, to be testing one very soon :D


I know that's delrin :P

Yeah, 2bad... But he will finish his CPU roundup tho! :up:

Price is on par with other tops... :(

lol, ok where you say black stuff then :p:, he still needs to see if can get a XSPC Edge V2 and test it against the V1:up:


So wait, maybe I missed it, but why is the outlet on this protrusion on the top that hangs over the side of the pump?

I wound guess that it is something to do with barb getting in the way of inside so if the move it out, better performance maybe :up:


Was wondering that myself. Maybe it's purely visual? Perhaps it helps to ensure the top is properly centered and mounted on the pump?

^^^^^^^ :up:


Looks like a jello shot :)
I kind of like it, but personally I like the petra black or xspc top better.
Wonder how it performs though

Like i have said loads of times in my mad quote sessions above :p: wait to tests to revel which is the best, maybe not best look wise but performance wise maybe :D will see


Looks like it's some sort of injected molded plastic or something doesn't it? Much better pics now. At least you can get a sense of the design. Be interesting to see how it does.

andyc

yer the first lot an't very nice, but still need a picture of the inside :D


Looks crap but I lose those 5.25" mounts.... *prepares to defend self*

~Bex

elllo BEX :D lose them 5.25" mounts :confused::confused:

[IanY]

You don't happen to work for Bentley, Audi or VW do you ? :) Nevertheless, its good taste lol :)

[bentleya]

no bentley is my 2nd name :D

[IanY]

no bentley is my 2nd name :D

All the better! What pedigree lol :)

[Eddie3dfx]

no bentley is my 2nd name :D

If it makes you feel any better, when I was 17, we took my friend's dads bentley over a huge bump and scraped the front end in the ground.
Yeah, needless to say I'm sure he got a lashing for that :rolleyes:
Car was amazing though

[menace2society]

" a face only a mutha could luv" :shakes:

[ls206]

How strong is the top? It looks like it could crack easily..

[NaeKuh]

Woha - I don't think I've ever seen so much hate a few dark pictures =/


Cuz its too bright, and looks like the stop light at an intersection.

:rofl:

:cool:

Fesser make a dual top with dual inlets please like this:
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p73/aigomorla/IMG_0950.jpg

Dual Inlet FTW!

[bentleya]

All the better! What pedigree lol :)

not sure what you mean :confused: you asking for my first name?


If it makes you feel any better, when I was 17, we took my friend's dads bentley over a huge bump and scraped the front end in the ground.
Yeah, needless to say I'm sure he got a lashing for that :rolleyes:
Car was amazing though

what how cound you :(


The name Feser picked for this product, says it all to me, "Reflector"...

Apparently all those crisscrossing braces are to increase reflection..??

IMO, all they increase is a more ugly product.

Not that it matters, but I personally don't care how it performs, they won't get my hard earned $$$...

then why keep posting in here then :spam::lsfight:


" a face only a mutha could luv" :shakes:

what? :rolleyes: just wait to i get some really nice photos :D


How strong is the top? It looks like it could crack easily..

not sure, haven't got one yet :D but will do as soon as there avible to buy


Cuz its too bright, and looks like the stop light at an intersection.

:rofl:

:cool:

Fesser make a dual top with dual inlets please like this:

Dual Inlet FTW!

:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:

feser have got some grest new products for 2009 maybe one of them is that? who nos? no me any way :p:



+1... Dual Inlet Top ........ FTW

more of the spamness :spam: lol

[IanY]

All I meant was that its great to have a prestigious name like Bentley.

[bentleya]

yeppers wound reither be called speedy with no sir name or aero or something really cool :p:

[NaeKuh]

yeppers wound reither be called speedy with no sir name or aero or something really cool :P

rofl...

i reminds me of a scene i read on a japanese manga book from bleach.

He was naming his animated stuff animal, and it wanted the name SKY. Ichigo (protagonist) said no, that name is too cool and named it KON instead.

:rofl:

[101]

All the ridges are to provide mechanical strength. Each side of the mold has deep cavities to create the part thickness. Remember in injection molding uniform wall thickness is king. Then it looks like they glue a couple covers on the top for some reason, probably to keep it from looking like an egg crate and to add branding. The overhang on the outlet is merely to provide enough structure to support the G1/4 tap.

Production costs for something like this should be very low (way less than $5) unless it was extremely low volume. The problems with it I see are depending on the resin, people will crack it screwing in barbs, and it will be difficult to get a uniform flat surface for the o-ring seal due to all the walls. You could probably solve those problems by using polycarbonate and a slightly larger o-ring than stock. It should be much cheaper than anything else available tho.

[bentleya]

I am sorry to keep spamming the spamming going, but damn that spam musubi looks GOOD!

spam all you want :p: dosent bother me in my threads :p: me no care :D


All the ridges are to provide mechanical strength. Each side of the mold has deep cavities to create the part thickness. Remember in injection molding uniform wall thickness is king. Then it looks like they glue a couple covers on the top for some reason, probably to keep it from looking like an egg crate and to add branding. The overhang on the outlet is merely to provide enough structure to support the G1/4 tap.

Production costs for something like this should be very low (way less than $5) unless it was extremely low volume. The problems with it I see are depending on the resin, people will crack it screwing in barbs, and it will be difficult to get a uniform flat surface for the o-ring seal due to all the walls. You could probably solve those problems by using polycarbonate and a slightly larger o-ring than stock. It should be much cheaper than anything else available tho.

this man does his stuff :D I'm sure there are doing the right testing so all them problems don't happen :D

[MasterOfTheReal]

I guess these pictures are better :D
http://www.abload.de/img/img_3731zz3.jpg


Its grown arms, Grinchville shall soon be under attack from the army of feser DDC tops! Ready your defenses!

[bentleya]

^^^^ haha :ROTF::ROTF: think it looks like a darlik, :rofl:

EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE

:ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF: ^^^^

for anyone, who dosn't know about DR Who and Darliks heres a you tube vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4UJiBmVEMk

[Arni]

One thing don't fit on bundy pic

[NysoO]

Urgh that top looks like a cheap plastic toy. Honestly, whats up with all the "cross beams". Why couldn't they simply mold it into a solid "block". Would be much better.

[bentleya]

One thing don't fit on bundy pic

:confused::confused::confused:


Urgh that top looks like a cheap plastic toy. Honestly, whats up with all the "cross beams". Why couldn't they simply mold it into a solid "block". Would be much better.

answer in the quote below


All the ridges are to provide mechanical strength. Each side of the mold has deep cavities to create the part thickness. Remember in injection molding uniform wall thickness is king. Then it looks like they glue a couple covers on the top for some reason, probably to keep it from looking like an egg crate and to add branding. The overhang on the outlet is merely to provide enough structure to support the G1/4 tap.

[NysoO]

:confused::confused::confused:



answer in the quote below

Well, a solid plexi top would look just as good with some LED's on. And without any lights, no matter what those ridges do, the whole piece looks really cheap.

Oh well, we'll see how it performs.

[bentleya]

Well, a solid plexi top would look just as good with some LED's on.

yes it might do :) not arguing there


no matter what those ridges do, the whole piece looks really cheap.

with out them ridges my fiend you will have coolant spayed all over you system as the top wound most prolbley just crack under the pressure :(



Oh well, we'll see how it performs.

:D :D just want them to be doing that soon

[Kibbler]

All the ridges are to provide mechanical strength. Each side of the mold has deep cavities to create the part thickness. Remember in injection molding uniform wall thickness is king. Then it looks like they glue a couple covers on the top for some reason, probably to keep it from looking like an egg crate and to add branding. The overhang on the outlet is merely to provide enough structure to support the G1/4 tap.
I don't get this...wouldn't solid acrylic be stronger than any kind of fancy ridged egg crate structure? :confused:

How is injection molding better than milling out of a solid block? Is it cheaper? I must say cheaper is not really in line with TFC philosophy...

[USFORCES]

Well if you put it in the right place you would just get the glow effect.

[bentleya]

I don't get this...wouldn't solid acrylic be stronger than any kind of fancy ridged egg crate structure? :confused:

MMMMM ....... maybe we should invent a triangle shaped one then it wound be strong :yepp: he he



How is injection molding better than milling out of a solid block? Is it cheaper? I must say cheaper is not really in line with TFC philosophy...

we don'f no if moulding is no good, no test yet but there will come :D just because feser haven't fowled the trend dosnt mean it is no good :rolleyes:


Well if you put it in the right place you would just get the glow effect.

to right my friend have it in you hd rack with a window, and your frineds will wonder whats the glow :cool:

its like my dvd open floor switch i modded a switch into my floor to open my dvd drive :) then got my friends round to see it :cool: and before i press down i say open dvd and i press down when i say :D and there think my dvd drive opens by voice :ROTF::ROTF::ROTF::ROTF:

[Rise]

I gotta be honest, that second set of pictures that you put up... the pump actually looks pretty good with what appears to be a softer more diffused glow to the tops. I still think that the tops look a bit cheap - I know that they are not because of the various mold flanges and what not but maybe there is some way to smooth that look out a bit? Maybe tone down the flanges some how. I want to know the flow results as well before I make final judgement.

[71 (Bryan)]

wtf is that [confused]

[bentleya]

I gotta be honest, that second set of pictures that you put up... the pump actually looks pretty good with what appears to be a softer more diffused glow to the tops. I still think that the tops look a bit cheap - I know that they are not because of the various mold flanges and what not but maybe there is some way to smooth that look out a bit? Maybe tone down the flanges some how. I want to know the flow results as well before I make final judgement.
:cool::cool::cool:

just fort i may share this with you guys, spoke to the feser company around lunch time and there have changed the mould slightly to what you see here :D i will try get some pictures out as soon as i can :D



wtf is that [confused]

it is a ddc pump top made by the feser company :rolleyes:

[Arni]

:confused::confused::confused:




looks like
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/2377/rodzinkafrostow03gm9.jpg

that was cheapest pump 2 years ago in Poland :eek:

Today if i need some stuff i need great looking product not only working fine.
Who cares 0,5 Lpm than cheap and nice looking XSPC.
Feser never was cheap.

[Waterlogged]

Wow! I think we found a bigger fanboi than RRR. :ROTF:

Bentleya, I'll wait for testing but I expect it to be near the top on flow but average or below on head pressure. I also don't like the cheap resin they used to mold it with, looks very frail. ...and those 5.25 mounts are joke, I see many ppl :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about them breaking.

[NysoO]

I believe the ppl here are giving bentleya a hard time with all the statements. Tho' most are probably said for a good reason.

Bentleya, I do see why you are "protecting" this top. I mean, who wouldn't back up for a sponsor. I would happily do the same thing if I was to be sponsored. But can you honestly say that this thing looks good? Everything seem to be so, I don't know, poorly done. Why couldn't they have put more material in the 5,25" bay "beams" for example?.

You gotta' give the people what they want. I would suggest you to get Feser to read this thread and have them make some changes to the top in order to make it have a bit more quality look to it. So far, most of Fesers products have been great so it would be nice if they could keep that up. :)

[Arni]

I believe the ppl here are giving bentleya a hard time with all the statements. Tho' most are probably said for a good reason.

Bentleya, I do see why you are "protecting" this top. I mean, who wouldn't back up for a sponsor. I would happily do the same thing if I was to be sponsored. But can you honestly say that this thing looks good? Everything seem to be so, I don't know, poorly done. Why couldn't they have put more material in the 5,25" bay "beams" for example?.

You gotta' give the people what they want. I would suggest you to get Feser to read this thread and have them make some changes to the top in order to make it have a bit more quality look to it. So far, most of Fesers products have been great so it would be nice if they could keep that up. :)

+1

Feser tubes:up:
Feser top :down:

btw bentleya is't from feser? :eek:

[bentleya]

Wow! I think we found a bigger fanboi than RRR. :ROTF:

Bentleya, I'll wait for testing but I expect it to be near the top on flow but average or below on head pressure. I also don't like the cheap resin they used to mold it with, looks very frail. ...and those 5.25 mounts are joke, I see many ppl :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about them breaking.

:cool::cool::cool:


I believe the ppl here are giving bentleya a hard time with all the statements. Tho' most are probably said for a good reason.

Bentleya, I do see why you are "protecting" this top. I mean, who wouldn't back up for a sponsor. I would happily do the same thing if I was to be sponsored. But can you honestly say that this thing looks good? Everything seem to be so, I don't know, poorly done. Why couldn't they have put more material in the 5,25" bay "beams" for example?.

You gotta' give the people what they want. I would suggest you to get Feser to read this thread and have them make some changes to the top in order to make it have a bit more quality look to it. So far, most of Fesers products have been great so it would be nice if they could keep that up. :)


:clap::clap::clap: he he none of them are my pictures :D


+1

Feser tubes:up:
Feser top :down:

btw bentleya is't from feser? :eek:

Feser Tube :up:
Feser Coolant :up:
Feser Rads :up:
Feser Top :up::down::up: (needs tweking)
Feser Res Top (in design stage) :up:

[septim]

is it just me or not. but i still don't see any pictures of the left side (from middle chamber to outlet barb) all pictures are either front or right side or top only...

pls post picture of left side of this top...

[Arni]

:cool::cool::cool:




Feser Tube :up:
Feser Coolant :up:
Feser Rads :up:
Feser Top :up::down::up: (needs tweking)
Feser Res Top (in design stage) :up:

Naah, Coolant destroy my old mobo [cheap but mobo is dead]:down:

[bentleya]

is it just me or not. but i still don't see any pictures of the left side (from middle chamber to outlet barb) all pictures are either front or right side or top only...

pls post picture of left side of this top...

i will see what i can do :cool:


Naah, Coolant destroy my old mobo [cheap but mobo is dead]:down:

every coolant out there on the market will destory your kit, accept that stuff there used in that dream pc :p:


omg. +1,000,000

musubi ftw

definitely the last thing i expected to see as i troll these WC threads...

:up::up: glad you went for a trolling sesision

[Mekrel]

Just another DDC top.

Seriously, why put a product into an already saturated market, a market where the pump tops are that close in performance none of them really offer an advantage.

The last company to actually release anything the consumer has been asking for, is BitsPower.

[bentleya]

bits power does my head in :p lol most there product other companys make as well now and are cheaper, fat boys, DD do them cheaper, compession fittings Feser do them cheaper


So on that what do you want feser to make?

say what you want them to do?

ideas?

what do you guys want?

[disruptfam]

Qft

[teko]

That one is just plain ugly :s If that give me 1c better temps, I'll still go with another top, cause that one is just to ugly.. And will most likely be feser priced anyway..

[IanY]

bits power does my head in :p lol most there product other companys make as well now and are cheaper, fat boys, DD do them cheaper, compession fittings Feser do them cheaper


So on that what do you want feser to make?

say what you want them to do?

ideas?

what do you guys want?


I would personally like a second line of products focused heavily on quality and not on glitz and bling. Never mind the acrylic. Make some products in acetal.

Look at the quality of BP. Go one step further. I myself don't mind paying the price if the products are of such quality.

How about a radiator that needs no pre-cleaning. Shrouds included and already installed. Barbs already installed. Fully plug and play.

[Lloyd]

i have to say i wasn't keen on their tube, but i like their coolant and their comp fittings. Oh and their rads look lovely - defo my next buy.
I will reserve judgement on the DDC top till it's been reviewed throughly

[BP-Vincent]

bits power does my head in :p lol most there product other companys make as well now and are cheaper, fat boys, DD do them cheaper, compession fittings Feser do them cheaper


So on that what do you want feser to make?

say what you want them to do?

ideas?

what do you guys want?

But DD still get from us...and no Clone...All the price are the same with our MSRP...

But Fxxxx stolen our PAT. design and always announce they have theirs...
If they can make their own design...everyone respect...but I never have that news and never see that till now..I think evreyone in their country know that..

Only ask sample and then make copy...that's all.


of course...they did colne and make it "cheaper"..Ya it's cheaper..and clone one need to be "cheaper". What they call cheaper is to make others know they can make compression fittings..that's all...But they really know how?

We have known they will have DDC top..because they asked one sample form one company in UK and then we all know they will come out this one...

Like the RAD is from their supplier, cost cheaper under USD 60 in four but market price is really cheaper? I think there will be a new brand will also do the same products like them and come form the same quality and cost..but that new brand will be cheaper...hehe.

[twwen2]

But DD still get from us...and no Clone...All the price are the same with our MSRP...

But Fxxxx stolen our PAT. design and always announce they have theirs...
If they can make their own design...everyone respect...but I never have that news and never see that till now..I think evreyone in their country know that..

Only ask sample and then make copy...that's all.


of course...they did colne and make it "cheaper"..Ya it's cheaper..and clone one need to be "cheaper". What they call cheaper is to make others know they can make compression fittings..that's all...But they really know how?

We have known they will have DDC top..because they asked one sample form one company in UK and then we all know they will come out this one...

Like the RAD is from their supplier, cost cheaper under USD 60 in four but market price is really cheaper? I think there will be a new brand will also do the same products like them and come form the same quality and cost..but that new brand will be cheaper...hehe.

That's a concern. If what you say is true, then Fxxxx don't deserve my $$$.:shakes:

[MomijiTMO]

Patents. That's the solution to BP problems.

[twwen2]

But Fxxxx stolen our PAT. design and always announce they have theirs...

It sounds like they already have one. Will BP take any action against Fxxxx to protect the integrity of their products?

[Mekrel]

Yes, I can read - I just chose to ignore what you said. The fact you point out that BP don't make all their own stuff in defence against Feser is purely laughable.

Almost all companies apart from DangerDen (who still buy off other companies and re brand as their own) have their machining done by a third party. There is zero way Feser make all of their products either, I'm not aware of what % margin water cooling parts go for, but in terms of total cash margin - it can't be a lot due to the relative cost of parts being small. This a lone means having machining just for water cooling part products isn't very efficient, hence why most companies outsource.

Not that there is anything wrong with that, it's just pure common sense as explained above.

[majestik]

Compression fittings
SERIOUS BUSINESS

:D

[RickCain]

now imagine if this top was made of Alu? :argue:

[MomijiTMO]

Based on my limited interaction with them, it didn't sound particularly out of character or surprising... Then again, I'm not terribly fond of them and they're not terribly fond of my videos :rolleyes:

Oh yeah Feser One is just as good as distilled water. Hmmm I haven't a clue why they wouldn't like your videos :p:

[biskitz]

wow, the compression fittings on that top really give u the confidence to hook it up to a 300+ GBP loop, not...

why not go and buy a nice PTS, EK or XSPC top instead, they look much nicer and probably perform a lot better, whilst reducing heat dump by not having LED's that make it look cheap and nasty

[NaeKuh]

You guys are missing the point i see.

A copy is a copy.

A copy of a copy is another copy. <--- where almost everyone is at. Please everyone has copied off someone. Dont get me started on this.

A copy thats cheaper = FTW
A copy thats crappier = Junk
A copy thats improved and cheaper = In my personal inventory.

Who cares if you copy. The main point is, is it better then the original? And is it cheaper?

If those two are yes, i can care less who came out with it first.

And dude EVERYONE copied something off someone. If anyone, DD should be the most pissed.
Everyone ripped there full cover blocks off them and then had the nerve to say it was junk when they were first. :rofl:

Well the truth is it was, yet everyone went EK. We dont hear you guys bashing EK for copying DD FC blocks.

[lennox]

innovators vs duplicators :shrug:

[Bobly]

New pictures of the pump top please :D

[Mekrel]

You guys are missing the point i see.

A copy is a copy.

A copy of a copy is another copy. <--- where almost everyone is at. Please everyone has copied off someone. Dont get me started on this.

A copy thats cheaper = FTW
A copy thats crappier = Junk
A copy thats improved and cheaper = In my personal inventory.

Who cares if you copy. The main point is, is it better then the original? And is it cheaper?

If those two are yes, i can care less who came out with it first.

And dude EVERYONE copied something off someone. If anyone, DD should be the most pissed.
Everyone ripped there full cover blocks off them and then had the nerve to say it was junk when they were first. :rofl:

Well the truth is it was, yet everyone went EK. We dont hear you guys bashing EK for copying DD FC blocks.

Comparing apples to oranges here.

Using your theory, everyone in the watercooling business copied one another because we have different blocks, but that's just it - they're different. EK didn't copy the design, they made an alternative block based on the same idea.

Are Lamborghini Gallardo and Pagani Zonda copes of each other, just because they're a type of car? (super car)

Take these compression fittings, are BitsPower barbs copies of Koolance? No, they're completely different. The Feser barbs are complete replicas albeit with their logo etched into them. So alike, until now, everyone thought they bought off BitsPower.

Either way, copied or not. Making idle threats to other companies for calling you out is completely pathetic. These guys are like Koolance when it comes to advertising, they will obviously mislead people as long as they sell more. For example, the whole fan in a glass of Feser liquid BS.

[NaeKuh]

Comparing apples to oranges here.

Using your theory, everyone in the watercooling business copied one another because we have different blocks, but that's just it - they're different. EK didn't copy the design, they made an alternative block based on the same idea.


no my friend your wrong.

What is the definition of a full covered block? A block that covers the card, has water chanels.

Now look at the two FC 7900 blocks, i believe this is where EK made its introduction.
WOW, they do look simular only DD had bad/poor CNCing. But you know what?

There was somthing wierd called a Kooslah?? :rofl:
It was released for the 6800 series. Who was Kooslah made by? Why DangerDen.

So no EK copied DD in fullcover blocks, just like XSPC and everyone else copied them.

This aint apples to oranges. That be like comparing a Full cover to a core only.

And Once again, i believe MAZE GPU block was probably out a lot longer then most watercooling companies, besides swiftech.


Wanna go up some more on block history with me? Unless your name is Nikhsub1, i have confidence in this debate. :rofl:


Wanna talk about more copying then? Alphacool DDC top VS. XSPC.
EK Top vs Petra's DDC Top.
EK Dual DDC trying to mimic my alphacool top.

I can go on and on ....

The real question is WHO makes it better, copy or not.

[iandh]

no my friend your wrong.

What is the definition of a full covered block? A block that covers the card, has water chanels.

Now look at the two FC 7900 blocks, i believe this is where EK made its introduction.
WOW, they do look simular only DD had bad/poor CNCing. But you know what?

There was somthing wierd called a Kooslah?? :rofl:
It was released for the 6800 series. Who was Kooslah made by? Why DangerDen.

So no EK copied DD in fullcover blocks, just like XSPC and everyone else copied them.

This aint apples to oranges. That be like comparing a Full cover to a core only.

And Once again, i believe MAZE GPU block was probably out a lot longer then most watercooling companies, besides swiftech.


Wanna go up some more on block history with me? Unless your name is Nikhsub1, i have confidence in this debate. :rofl:


Wanna talk about more copying then? Alphacool DDC top VS. XSPC.
EK Top vs Petra's DDC Top.
EK Dual DDC trying to mimic my alphacool top.

I can go on and on ....

The real question is WHO makes it better, copy or not.

Not to mention which PC watercooling is based on cooling principles discovered/used in the industrial and scientific sectors long before, you, Nikhsub1, or myself were born, and long before computers even existed for that matter.

The entire computer watercooling industry is one gigantic copy.

[NaeKuh]

The entire computer watercooling industry is one gigantic copy.

:up: :D

[RickCain]

Wanna go up some more on block history with me?

How about I put my Spir@l and TC4 up against a EK Supreme? :ROTF:

[Mekrel]

no my friend your wrong.

What is the definition of a full covered block? A block that covers the card, has water chanels.

Now look at the two FC 7900 blocks, i believe this is where EK made its introduction.
WOW, they do look simular only DD had bad/poor CNCing. But you know what?

There was somthing wierd called a Kooslah?? :rofl:
It was released for the 6800 series. Who was Kooslah made by? Why DangerDen.

So no EK copied DD in fullcover blocks, just like XSPC and everyone else copied them.

This aint apples to oranges. That be like comparing a Full cover to a core only.

And Once again, i believe MAZE GPU block was probably out a lot longer then most watercooling companies, besides swiftech.


Wanna go up some more on block history with me? Unless your name is Nikhsub1, i have confidence in this debate. :rofl:


Wanna talk about more copying then? Alphacool DDC top VS. XSPC.
EK Top vs Petra's DDC Top.
EK Dual DDC trying to mimic my alphacool top.

I can go on and on ....

The real question is WHO makes it better, copy or not.

The only thing those watercooling pump tops have in common are the materials they're made of, they have different volutes etc. So they're not copies - a copy is an exact replica.

Behind the fact that full cover blocks are all machined out of one lump of metal, have some form of plastic covering them, they do all look different - so they're not copies of one another. I'm fully aware of the history of blocks thank you very much.

In response to the parts I've highlighted in bold, I'm not sure where you got the idea that you're on some sort of elitist pedestal from, but to me you're not in any league compared to Marci, Stu, Martin, BillA or Nik.

Yes, DangerDen are quite old school - but no one has really copied their designs. For example, the MCW60 is a core only block, just like the maze series - but inside, they're completely different.

If anything, DangerDen have been far from industry leading for a long time - they've certainly slowed down on the innovation front. I wouldn't even say they copied D-Tek with the MCP upgrade to the TDX and chipset blocks. Yes, they both utilise the same pin structure, but the blocks are still different and give different results.

Patents don't stop people from making the same product type now, do they?

[IanY]

Hey hey hey !!

No need to be-little anybody ! We all have our own opinions of each other, and no we don't always like each other, but kindly KEEP YOUR DAMN OPINIONS TO YOURSELF.

Nobody gives a flying damn who you hold in high esteem.

Everyone, including the names you mentioned, has a navel, among other things. The stench of hot air often fills the atmosphere in XS.

All of us were born p!ssing in the same potty. Nobody's potty was carved out of platinum.

The last time I checked, all of us still put our pants on one leg at a time.

Nobody has the right to degrade anyone else.

Now, Movieman wouldn't necessary express himself in the same manner I just did, but I can almost guarantee the same sentiments hold true.

[Mekrel]

Hey hey hey !!

No need to be-little anybody ! We all have our own opinions of each other, and no we don't always like each other, but kindly KEEP YOUR DAMN OPINIONS TO YOURSELF.

Nobody gives a flying damn who you hold in high esteem.

Everyone, including the names you mentioned, has a navel, among other things. The stench of hot air often fills the atmosphere in XS.

All of us were born p!ssing in the same potty. Nobody's potty was carved out of platinum.

The last time I checked, all of us still put our pants on one leg at a time.

Nobody has the right to degrade anyone else.

Which is entirely my point, I really don't need to be be-littled and take any lessons from anybody about block history - so he can kindly keep his arrogance to himself.

Martin knows a lot about blocks, yet his posts don't stink of little man syndrome.

[NaeKuh]

oh ho... for the sake of the thread i wont comment back grinch like.

But Merkel, theres only 1 way you can really cut a FC block.

And they both have acrylic over them. And they looked simular, to me thats a copy.

I'll leave it at that.

[Mekrel]

So, the latest fad is to hate Feser? Months behind, it seems!

I dislike products, not companies.

Feser just don't make anything I'm remotely interested in, although if I was a first time buyer of radiators - I might consider one but I own a PA 120.3 and 120.2 already.

I use distilled water and biocide with black tubing, I like neat tidy looking rigs with minimal bling. I've had my PTS DDCT-01s tops for quite a while now, I've XSPC, EK, Feser to name a few tops come out since and I thought the exact same thing about those tops.

A graph might say they give more pressure, but they're hardly ground breaking improvements that make it worth while for me to part with my cash. But then there's more to spend on Cider, Southern Comfort and photography equipment.

[Mekrel]

oh ho... for the sake of the thread i wont comment back grinch like.

But Merkel, theres only 1 way you can really cut a FC block.

And they both have acrylic over them. And they looked simular, to me thats a copy.

I'll leave it at that.

That's exactly my point and what I said. To me, there is a "type" of product i.e. compression fitting, full cover block, after market top. Then the product itself.

You can't really as you say, make a full cover block any different (The Stealth to me is a core only block built into a passive PCB cover). The DD and EK FC blocks are the same type of product, but the product themselves differ.

DangerDen now seem to use bead/sand blasting, EK is just straight milled. The 8800 blocks from DD were shallow and had channels half done into the top, the EK the opposite. Obviously I'm not trying to tell you these, you obviously already know what these blocks looked like - I'm just pointing out they're different products, but they're both full cover.

Where as the compression fittings this thread is about, look exactly the same apart one has an added logo. They're knurled in the same fashion, both have an o-ring recess etc.

I'm all for people/companies producing products based off other peoples designs, that's how markets move forward i.ee Dyson and the hoover.

Either way, I'm going to apologise to you for going off on one, I just thought your post was very condescending. Plus I'm not particularly in a good mood, a certain someone has had £200.00 worth of computer case of mine from 3 months yet doesn't seem to want to respond to my emails or PM's about the status of the mods being done. :shakes:

[twwen2]

Either way, I'm going to apologise to you for going off on one, I just thought your post was very condescending. Plus I'm not particularly in a good mood, a certain someone has had £200.00 worth of computer case of mine from 3 months yet doesn't seem to want to respond to my emails or PM's about the status of the mods being done. :shakes:

Ouch. Is that your "Back to Black" 343B?

[Mekrel]

Ouch. Is that your "Back to Black" 343B?

Yeah :(

Good news is once the case is back, I can take better pictures since learning how to use my D40 :D

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4172/westminsterwy2.jpg

[Kibbler]

Yeah :(
Good news is once the case is back, I can take better pictures since learning how to use my D40 :D
That's a nice photo bro :up:

It's terrible how any hobby + internet forum = desire to buy dslr.

[twwen2]

Not meaning to start a flame war...


Then why did you go ahead and say that anyway? :shrug:

Mekrel i can't wait to see some pics. That is one awesome camera. :yepp:

[skinnee]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4172/westminsterwy2.jpg

Seeing that pic reminds me, I need to schedule a trip to London...my skinnee american ass is long overdue in that city. :D

[majestik]

Performance numbers? You're talking about Feser here. Have you seen their amazing website (http://www.feser-one.com/)?

Try to find any performance numbers for any current feser product on their site. You won't. They don't publish performance numbers - it's not their thing.

[Bobly]

When we say any news about pump performance it's mainly because the general feedback from this forum has been "Okay, so it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, but how does it perform?" I think in this case it's in Feser's advantage to release some form of results, which can then be confirmed or discredited later ^^

It would really help the conversation if when you attack each other personally, try and make sure your post also mentions SOMETHING about the top to not be completely off track...

This thread has become SOOOOOooooo personnal... "I'm not even going to look at it because it's Feser!", "Feser? Stinking corporate blingy bastards, they're not worth my time"... Can no one see this top for what it is: A pump top? In a way I wish the thread creator hadn't mentioned it was a Feser top :/

[MomijiTMO]

Well I can't speak for anyone other than myself but I so don't care who makes my stuff. All I want is something that performs well that's in my price bracket. I couldn't care if it was made by Feser or Bitspower and if everything was the same bar the price, I would go for the cheaper option. I completely missed the start of this thread and until recently thought that everyone loved Feser. However this isn't the case and when various members who are directly associated with the business entered with slurs and big accusations I was surprised.

If this top performed better than every other top available and had a good build [it doesn't look that way from these prototypes] and most importantly was around the same price as the other options, then I would get one. The way Feser prices their products is beyond logic as their shrouds are really just plastic fans minus the fan and rotor and yet they want $20 USD for one. No way. I would rather buy a cheap fan, cut the fan part out and there is my Feser clone that isn't pretty for less than a quarter of the price.

[DarthBeavis]

@bentleya:

First . . .do not go roll your eyes at me when I suggest they offer a better configuration for inlet and outlet holes. I appreciate you are a modder and sponsored by them . . .well, I guess maybe you are new and do not know who you are talking down to . . .I have a little experience in not only modding but water-cooling as well . . .a single inlet in the top and outlet in the front is old school designing. . .Feser wants to be cutting edge right? More options not less are what we need.

What I pointed out is a flaw in the design which they should address.

[bentleya]

@bentleya:

First . . .do not go roll your eyes at me when I suggest they offer a better configuration for inlet and outlet holes. I appreciate you are a modder and sponsored by them . . .well, I guess maybe you are new and do not know who you are talking down to . . .I have a little experience in not only modding but water-cooling as well . . .a single inlet in the top and outlet in the front is old school designing. . .Feser wants to be cutting edge right? More options not less are what we need.

What I pointed out is a flaw in the design which they should address.

can you please point to the post and bit where i said and i can re evulate my sayings manly as i probley in the wrong :D, so i am sorry if i souned that i know it all, i dont nd if i did well lets not go there :D

[bentleya]

yer but i siad i will look over it lol :D hehe it was ages ago cant remember what i said but i will look over it :D darth beavis i do know who you are btw

edit: this more to your liking:

the setup is done purly to get best performnce out of but from a modders view nothing is right :D there cant please everyone :D but i guess there can try

[DarthBeavis]

yer but i siad i will look over it lol :D hehe it was ages ago cant remember what i said but i will look over it :D darth beavis i do know who you are btw

edit: this more to your liking:

the setup is done purly to get best performnce out of but from a modders view nothing is right :D there cant please everyone :D but i guess there can try


Dude anyone who looks at it knows I is NOT for performance alone . . .nothing Feser does is for just performance. Petra I would say is mainly performance . . .delrin top, minimalist but killer performance. You can do both I imagine. It is nice to have options especially when you do a lot of builds . . .

[NaeKuh]

Either way, I'm going to apologise to you for going off on one, I just thought your post was very condescending. Plus I'm not particularly in a good mood, a certain someone has had £200.00 worth of computer case of mine from 3 months yet doesn't seem to want to respond to my emails or PM's about the status of the mods being done. :shakes:

nah its cool.

And ouch about the troll.

[BreeSpree]

I mean it's not bad, but I don't want to deal with all that LED wire crap. Maybe if the LED's were built in to the pump's 12 volt power source. And, without the LED's well, its nothing special, in fact it looks kind of ugly =[

[DeathWalking]

Looks like a supernova-hotchocolade pump ;)

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4051/img375644iwm2.jpg
Holy hell that's an ugly picture. Did you have to replace the LED(s?) with a brighter one?

[alejo]

I'm going to go against the grain and say I kinda like the look. It reminds me of the buildings that the Doozers would build on Fraggle Rock. Any child of the 80's would know what I'm talking about. :p:

[TedShred]

I'm going to go against the grain and say I kinda like the look. It reminds me of the buildings that the Doozers would build on Fraggle Rock. Any child of the 80's would know what I'm talking about. :p:

:rofl:

Alas, I know what you mean:(

[iandh]

I'm going to go against the grain and say I kinda like the look. It reminds me of the buildings that the Doozers would build on Fraggle Rock. Any child of the 80's would know what I'm talking about. :p:

Now that you said fraggle rock this top suddenly looks quite acceptable. I may have to get one and then stand a little model of a doozer with a construction hat on top of it.


Now wouldn't that be a sick case mod theme... fraggle rock! I call dibs none of you take my idea!!!

[headala]

....uh...any more performance data on the top? :(

[Duniek]

dunno why but I like it, lol
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really (and I am not drunk)

[Fr3ak]

I didnt' read any of the previous posts, actually I did, but they didn't have much to do with the headline of this thread. I had the pleasure to test the first prototyp of the TFC Reflector. I compared it to the Alphacool top with and without reservoir, the Watercool top and the Watercool Dual DDC top. With just the DDC-1T, the flowmeter and a Swiftech reservoir in the loop, the TFC top was slightly better than the Dual DDC top (using 2 pumps). In a loop with a lot of restrictive coolers (CPU, NB, VGA, radiator) the TFC top performed on par with the Alphacool top, being slightly worse than the Watercool top. That was the first prototype.

No idea why people moan about the looks. It looks different, but not ugly. Don't tell me the plexi block of the Alphacool top looks better.. I thought this is XtremeSystems and not XtremeOhLookMyHardwareLooksPimp ;)

Not to mention all the extras that TFC includes in the packaging. Price/performance wise, the top is a killer, at least in Germany.

[b@llz0r]

lol :rofl: i just think its funny that so many people turned on this pump top without waiting for performance results

so much for the dog turd

:down:

[bundymania]

I agree with Fr3ak ! The Top looks different but not bad at all ! :) I tested the prototype against some other Tops (Watercool/Alphacool, OCLabs) The Feser Reflector had about ~10 Liter/h. better flow and the overall quality is good. For about 20 Bucks you also get 2 Fittings, Leds and an O-Ring. So i think the "package" is ok !

http://www.abload.de/thumb/img_37207i1.jpg (http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=img_37207i1.jpg)

[Lloyd]

Has this been released yet?

[bundymania]

nope, i got info from feser...within september / october.

[Lloyd]

cool, i'm goona get one and have a look i think

[Lloyd]

I won't be buying one, especially since it performs on par with the Alphacool top. That means my XSPC res tops kick it. In Martins testing the Alphacool top was inferior to the XSPC tops...:)

Oh, i doubt i'll use it i just want to have a look

[[XC] riptide]

Good move and thanks,

Going back and forth arguing pasonatley is one thing, but threats and such have no place in a thread IMO

Again, good work.

andy

Thanks Andy. Its appreciated. Now... wheres me OCZ block review? :D:D ;)

[[XC] riptide]

Thread closed. May be reopened after cleanup.

[[XC] riptide]

Right, thread cleaned up somewhat.. I cannot send PM's to everyones post I deleted (~85 lol), so... thanks for understanding.

KEEP THIS ON TOPIC MEN. Need MOAR retina burning photos and results!

[Fr3ak]

I start with posting my test results:

Flowmeter: Digmesa FHKUC 70 connected to a Aqua Computer Aquaero
Pump: Laing DDC-1T

Setup: 10/8mm tubing with Innovatek fittings, Swiftech MCRES and the flowmeter for the high flow test; Alphacool XP Bold, Watercool Heatkiller 2.5, Aqua Computer Aquagrafx for 8800 GT, Watercool HTSF Dual, flowmeter, 10/8 mm tubing, Innovatek fittings; room temperature 23 C.

Alphacool DDC top: Highflow/Front: 6.69 l/min; Highflow/Top: 6.93 l/min; Loop/Front: 2.31 l/min; Loop/Top: 2.38 l/min
TFC Reflector (prototype): Highflow/Front: not possible; Highflow/Top: 7.61 l/min l/min; Loop/Front: not possible; Loop/Top: 2.38 l/min
Watercool DDC Case: Highflow/Front: 6.51 l/min; Highflow/Top: 7.04 l/min; Loop/Front: 2.40 l/min; Loop/Top: 2.50 l/min
Watercool Dual DDC Case: Highflow/Front: 7.47 l/min; Highflow/Top: not possible; Loop/Front: 3.24 l/min; Loop/Top: not possible

All test were performaned at the same room temperature and the setup/tubing lenght and curves were identical. From the consisty of the testing I assume, there is a error margin of 0.1 to 0.2 l/min. The tests were performed with the first prototype that wsa produced. I will be testing the retail version as soon as it's out.

[bentleya]

Below are quotes that a TFC employee said.


This time we want to announce that we are builing The Reflector, which will be an outstanding Waterpump Top for all available Laing DDC Models. Also for the Swiftech models which are known in the scene as renamed/relabeled Laing pumps.

The Reflector will be made out of PMMA acrylic transparent material and will have following Features:

1. 4 LED Mounting Holes
2. LED Module with 2 LEDs will be included in the package
3. G1/4" Threads for good compatibility
4. Additional Oring
5. 4x M4 Screws for Mounting the Top onto the pump
6. 2x M3 Screws for Mounting our STar Holder System.
7. 2x Star Holder 51 mm for the 5 1/4" PC slot
8. 2x Star Holder 29 mm for the 3 1/2" PC slot

The Star Holder System gives you the ability to install the top + pump in the air within either floppy or cd-drive slot.

You also can shorten the length of the Star Holders for your needs.

We designed an elipse chamber which speeds up the impeller like a turbo.
The inlet and outlet diameters were maximized.
We deisgned the 4 foot stands like the original top and maximized the material around the m4 threads.

The Top wil be tested by Laing itself and we dont release the top unless Laing has certified this top.

few more revision have been made to the top Updates on the Refelctor have been made.


1. G1/4 Thread update
2. Metalic foot stands to prevent breaking of the material - Now M3 Screws will be used for mounting the item on the laing pump.
3. Waterchamber has been updated for better flow
4. The Mold itself has been polished. Thus the item is now in absolute clear.


so below is pictures of new test top, and the mould :D

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/reflector-7.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh122/skiaaron/Feser%20DDC%20Pump%20Tops/reflector-8.jpg

[Fr3ak]

Maybe you should state that your text is a quote from a TFC employee in order not to confuse people..

[bentleya]

Maybe you should state that your text is a quote from a TFC employee in order not to confuse people..

good idea sorted :D

[Lloyd]

I'm really looking forward to seeing this released so i can have a proper look :up:

[Stealth42o]

It reminds me of the buildings that the Doozers would build on Fraggle Rock. Any child of the 80's would know what I'm talking about. :p:

Jesus that made my day! :rofl::yepp::ROTF::up:

[mpower1001]

Remember fraggle rock...too funny