Anyone Using fluid XP with the MCRes Micro?

[gabe]

One of our small OEM's returned several failed MCRes Micros (leaks at the seams), and they are using fluid XP. The exact composition of fluid XP is not published. I suspect that fluid XP may contains alcohol (which is not compatible with our acrylic).

In the interest of resolving this issue quickly, I am asking anyone using the MCRes Micro with fluid XP to let me know if they had any issues.

[sirheck]

Here is some info Gabe.

http://reviews.pcapex.com/cooling/fluid_xp_extreme_performance_coolant.php

"The coolant doesn’t have any alcoholic properties. It also has a low freezing point and no flash point. All test and procedures have been tested by outside labs and all records of the test are available to public domain. The Fluid XP+ product line of coolants are the only coolants out on the market today with scientific data supporting all claims."

Not sure if it is true or not.:shrug:

I dont use it myself so i dont know.

[gabe]

Here is some info Gabe.

http://reviews.pcapex.com/cooling/fluid_xp_extreme_performance_coolant.php

"The coolant doesn’t have any alcoholic properties. It also has a low freezing point and no flash point. All test and procedures have been tested by outside labs and all records of the test are available to public domain. The Fluid XP+ product line of coolants are the only coolants out on the market today with scientific data supporting all claims."

Not sure if it is true or not.:shrug:

I dont use it myself so i dont know.

Thanks for the link.

[NaeKuh]

Its not just your stuff, its other stuff too.

Ive seen cracking on other stuff, however i never thought it could be linked to the fluidXP.

[dubtown]

i have a mcres with just distilled and ptnuke and im noticing hairline cracks on the sides... kinda wack

[sirheck]

Man im glad i dont even use a res.
Just extra parts to deal with and extra space to take up inside ones case.

[gabe]

Its not just your stuff, its other stuff too.

Ive seen cracking on other stuff, however i never thought it could be linked to the fluidXP.

What do you mean by other stuff?

[gabe]

i have a mcres with just distilled and ptnuke and im noticing hairline cracks on the sides... kinda wack

where these lines present when you purchased the product, or have they developped over time?

[RubberDuck]

i have a mcres with just distilled and ptnuke and im noticing hairline cracks on the sides... kinda wack

Mine also. Been useing Distilled water & PTNuke. So far not a leak http://bestsmileys.com/fingers/1.gif http://bestsmileys.com/fingers/1.gif

[fornowagain]

Just wondering about common biocides. Just looking at the cast Acrylic reaction sheet, Phenol or Iodine are listed as 'Material will decompose or dissolve in a short time', Copper Sulphate (PT_Nuke) fairs better 'Slight attack by absorption. Some swelling and a small reduction in mechanical likely '. Corrosion inhibitors like Pentosin G11 have Glycols, they score a 'Moderate attack of appreciable absorption. Material will have a limited life ' I've had PT_Nuke and Pentosin in a MCRES-Micro for over a year and no cracks.


What ever you do don't try and clean it with IPA (isopropyl alcohol), I learnt the hard way.

Some cast Acrylic I use vs the res both soaked in pure IPA for 5 mins. Maybe Swiftech should change the Acrylic grade?

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7973/dscf27133zw8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[xVeinx]

They use 1-dodecanol. So yes, they do have alcohol in there. It may not have the usual "properties," but that may not suggest ultimate safety for every part of your loop. Out of curiosity, what was the approximate fail time of the acrylic? I'm trying to do a review of all of this fluid stuff, so I'd be happy to test this with the fluid XP I have. What type of acrylic do you use?

EDIT: Another thing that could be happening is the mixing of fluid xp with prior contaminants from whatever was previously in the loop or incomplete washing of the new parts. There seems to be enough reports on the net that show precipitates and other oddities at irregular points, making me believe that is is relatively reactive with other things-the byproducts of which might then react with the acrylic. If there are signs of irregularities in the number of people with similar problems, that might be the cause. I'll work on futzing with the fluid tonight and see what goes on. (Even the company admits incomplete washing can cause problems by the way-and they sell this expecting everyone to be perfect? Sheesh!)

[NaeKuh]

What do you mean by other stuff?

GPU tops on full covers. not on your stuff tho gabe. i meant other stuff like other company acrylic.

[Section8]

hmmm I have had my micro res for over a year and just using PT Nuke and Pentosin G11 Coolant Additive. My reservoir is crystal clear and no leaks what so ever.

[dubtown]

Here's a pic of the res back when it first started. They've actually grown over time since then.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/mcoffeyXS/SJpL0LisKGI/AAAAAAAABHk/jOTJpGGPyGE/s800/DSC_0005.JPG

andyc

exactly the same as mine

just little cracks that dont leak...

they make me nervous

my res is secured with velcro and is filled with distilled water and pt nuke

the cracks were definitely not there when i first received it

[gabe]

Here's a pic of the res back when it first started. They've actually grown over time since then.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/mcoffeyXS/SJpL0LisKGI/AAAAAAAABHk/jOTJpGGPyGE/s800/DSC_0005.JPG

andyc

please rma the part with michelle@swiftech.com

[sirheck]

please rma the part with michelle@swiftech.com


That may be a good idea.

Get a few RMA,s and study and try to find out what the problems are.
Also have the members here give info like what coolants they used/mixed.

Maybe help ST to use this or that type of acrylic in the future.

[xVeinx]

Some more data:
link (http://fluidxp.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=25)

EDIT: The propylene glycol could be a problem too

[Phat Korean]

i have had micro cracks develop overtime in my res, but no leaks so far. i use distilled/p-t nuke/g11 petosin as well.

[Brave758]

Hi Gabe using the micro res and blood red fluid XP, all looks ok, starting to get a slight crazing but nothing to cry about been using the fluid xp for about a year now i guess

[Xilikon]

I use just distilled and pt-nuke and I see some hairline crack, mainly around one of the barbs. I already rma the first one due to the seam not sealed very well so it leaked..

[IanY]

Thanks to xVeinx:

Ingredients:
Propylene Glycol
Deionized Water
Xanthan Gum
1-dodeconol (Lauryl Alcohol)
Glycerin
Bacteriostat (cetylpyridinium Chloride)
Additional company trade secret ingredients

pH 7.0
Non-Toxic: FDA has given all ingredients in this fluid the same classification given to common products such as vinegar and table salt: Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS).
Flash Point, None
Fire Point, None
Freeze Point, (ASTM D1177-94 Standard) 9.5ºF (-12.5ºC)
Boiling Point 211ºF (99.44ºC)
Viscosity, (Canon Fiske Standard) @ 20ºC 4.37 centiStokes
Viscosity, (Canon Fiske Standard) @ 40ºC 2.50 centiStokes
Viscosity, (Lyondell Data Sheet) @ 85ºC 0.85 centiStokes
Conductivity (Electrical) 11.7 microSiemens/cm
Conductivity (Thermal, Conductance (k), Calculated) Approx. 3.6 Btu-in./Hr-ft²-ºF
Conductivity (Thermal, Specific Heat (C), Calculated) Approx. .94 Btu/lb/F.
Vapor Pressure psia @(ºF) 17.5 (68), 31.05 (86), 13.15 (211)
Evaporation Rate (Weight Loss) 0.49 mg/cm-min (DI Water 0.660 mg/cm-min)
Specific Gravity @ 20/20C 1.027
Density (@ 50 ºF) 1.029
Evaporation Rate (Relative to DI Water) 0.74

All Tests were performed at S-F Analytical Laboratories, Inc, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

[Sparda]

I also got some hairline crack like andyc. Doesnt use anything else in my loop except distilled water.
I´m a little bit paranoid so I put some super glue on the crack to seal it. Like andy said the crack grown overtime too because I saw the crack extend from the spot where I put the super glue.
Weird unknown crack from a good res.:shrug: