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ibm390s

07-26-2008, 11:39 AM

This is my second watercooling project which is based on the following hardware:

mobo: Intel D5400XS
cpu's: 2xQX9775
ram: 4x1GB Kingston KHX6400F2LLK2/2G
hdd: 2x300GB Velociraptors
video: 1x9800GX2 (EVGA)
psu: Ultra X3 1600w
case: Lian Li V2000B

waterloops:

cpu loop:

2xLaing ultra (connected using a watercooling top)
3x240 BlackIce GTX Radiators
2xSwiftech Apogee GTX block's
1xXSPC 5.25 Bay res

pumps->rad1->rad2->cpu0->cpu1->rad3->res->pumps

mobo loop:

1xLaing ultra
1x120 BlackIce GTX Radiator
1xDD X38 NB WB
1xBlastflow SB block
1xMIPS Ram Freezer
1xXSPC 5.25 Bay res

pump->rad1->NB->RAM->SB->res->pump

Started to figure out the right position for each part
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050648.jpg

installing the third 240 radiator
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050660.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050660.jpg

building the support for the dual-pump setup
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050675.jpg

pwolfe

07-26-2008, 11:42 AM

thats quite a beast your gonna have there. Can't wait to see the finished product.

coolmiester

07-26-2008, 12:02 PM

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 12:11 PM

My old divider was full of holes and cuts so i started to design a new divider with new holes for cables and tubing.

After the design was finished in Solidworks the divider was cut using a CNC Laser. I tested if it fits and then it was powdercoated in black like the rest of the parts for the case.

The old and new divider
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/image006c0.jpg

CNC Laser
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/image002qm0.jpg

Work in progress
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/image003fr8.jpg

Disassembled case
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050735.jpg

Case parts after powdercoating
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050768.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050769.jpg

Testing the new divider
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050772.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050777.jpg

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 12:18 PM

first start

received the cpu's but no sign of the Kingston FB-Dimm's. So i removed some FB-Dimm's from one of my servers and started the mobo.

CPU's and some FB-Dimm's from an IBM server
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050700.jpg

BIOS
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050704.jpg

After a few days i finnaly received the Kingston FB-Dimm's

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050741.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050745.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050748.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050751.jpg

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 12:23 PM

I can't help thinking its a strange use of radiators, do you think 1x120 BlackIce GTX Radiator will be enough for northbridge, southbridge and RAM??

And is the CPU loop not a little overkill with 3x240 BlackIce GTX Radiators??

Oh and no water on the GX2??

i'm not so sure about the need of water on the FB-Dimm's. Now the mobo is on the bench table and i mounted a vent on the FB-Dimm's and the temp is quite good between 34 and 39 degrees so i just ordered a Corsair memory cooler to test it with the FB-Dimm's. For the videocard i'll plan a new loop but i wait for the 4870 X2 so for the moment no water on gpu's

IanY

07-26-2008, 12:37 PM

If you're going to pump 2.0 volts through that infamous Kingston FB-DIMMs to get CAS 4 at 800 Mhz at 4-4-4-9, then active cooling would be highly desirable I think. I heard those Kingston FB-DIMMs can reach 75 C at full load.

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 12:46 PM

powdercoating is finished

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050782.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050783.jpg

Pumps mounted
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050784.jpg

Laing pump with EK top mounted
http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050809.jpg

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 12:55 PM

these are the temps read by everest right now. FB-Dimm's are cooled by a 120mm vent at 800rpm.

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 01:04 PM

Now i wait for the mobo waterblocks fittings and Tygon tubing to finish the setup. I'll do some testing with air on the FB-Dimm's and if they get hot i'll switch to water and maybe use one of the 240 rads to cool the mobo loop and add the 120 rad to the cpu loop. IMO testing need to be done first.

disruptfam

07-26-2008, 01:13 PM

interesting choice in rad configuration i would of went 1 x 480gtx apposed to 3 x 240...less restriction...I would to see how this turns out temp wise....

Should be right.

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 01:24 PM

with the 480 is hard to run the tubing inside the case that is why i mounted 2x240 rads and 2 pumps. i used this setup on another build with a QX9650 and it was very effective.

config of the loop was this:

res->pumps->rad1->rad2->cpu->res

same rads and same waterblock (Apogee GTX). i got 23 degrees celsius in idle@4000 with 1.36v and up to 58 degress celsius in prime95.

Mekrel

07-26-2008, 04:44 PM

Nice to see someone doing something a bit different especially with nice hardware.

Makes a change from the "cram a load of good hardware into a mountain mods case, which looks the same as every other mountain mod build out there and call it a worklog" that seems to clog up this forum :)

MomijiTMO

07-26-2008, 04:54 PM

Nice gear.

Random fact : I got electrocuted by the silver halogen lamp you have. Bin it :p:

BNDMOD

07-26-2008, 04:56 PM

Suscribed!

ibm390s

07-26-2008, 06:24 PM

a few pics with test tube installed.

i still wait for the tygon tubing but i think that i'll do some tests with 8/10 tubing to see some temps on the cpu loop.

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050826.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050827.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050828.jpg

http://www.watercooling.ro/images/skulltrail/p1050830.jpg

mit78

07-26-2008, 11:16 PM

valentin,wait for final rig,more pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regards from Roumania!!

Tile

07-27-2008, 03:56 PM

The assembly looks good. I noticed that the PSU is sagging a bit and the solution is a U-shaped bracket mounted on the front fan of the rear radiator made to support the PSU.

ibm390s

07-28-2008, 02:39 AM

last night i did some testing with two Swiftech apogee GTX blocks and it was a total failure. got higher temps compared to air on the second cpu. now i ordered two EK 775 backplates and wait for them to arrive. IMO the problem is the thermal contact between the cpu IHS and the WB. today i'll investigate this problem and maybe i'll lap both of the cpu's (WB allready lapped). Any ideas?

L.E

Air cooling Watercooling
cpu0-40 cpu0-39
cpu1-41 cpu1-59

stock freq with C1E enabled.

YMAA

07-28-2008, 03:15 AM

today i'll investigate this problem and maybe i'll lap both of the cpu's (WB allready lapped). Any ideas?

I believe it's the part in parenthesis that's the problem. Waterblocks aren't supposed to be lapped, they're designed to have a bow to them.

ibm390s

07-28-2008, 03:31 AM

they are bowed but on the centre they got a mirror finish. i did not make them flat. The apogee blocks bowed using a bigger oring perform better as far as i read here on other threads. I just lapped them in the cente of the block.

IanY

07-28-2008, 06:04 AM

You just shouldn't have touched the blocks and lapped the IHS instead.

pcaddict

07-30-2008, 03:52 AM

looking great, bro! *subscribed*

ibm390s

07-30-2008, 09:23 PM

a small update

just received two EK backplates which were modified a little bit.
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4581/p1050868tk9.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050868tk9.jpg)

backplates in position
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/6559/p1050869gz5.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050869gz5.jpg)

ready for the blocks
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2936/p1050872hf4.th.jpg (http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050872hf4.jpg)

under heavy construction
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5281/p1050877vp3.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050877vp3.jpg) http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3797/p1050878dd3.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050878dd3.jpg) http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9858/p1050879wr2.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050879wr2.jpg)

cables, many cables
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/6118/p1050881jh2.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050881jh2.jpg)

Testing
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8260/p1050883yv9.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050883yv9.jpg) http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3663/p1050884lt8.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050884lt8.jpg) http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/2058/p1050885cg0.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050885cg0.jpg)

This is one a test run, the final setup will use Tygon 3/8-5/8 tubing but for testing 8/10 tubing will do the work.

HaCKs

08-01-2008, 10:42 AM

looks cool! now the fun part comes, wire management!

AliG

08-01-2008, 10:49 AM

HaCKs

08-01-2008, 10:56 AM

No offense, but wouldn't this be almost the absolute worst time to build a skull trail machine? I mean considering the costs of this, and how x58 is coming out in September along with nehalem, not to mention the 4870x2 is right around the bend on August 14th I believe.

Good luck with this, but I personally think you made a poor decision buying skulltrail hardware right now instead of waiting for nehalem and the 4870x2

He is obivously already bought it... so this does nothing but make him feel bad!

The hardware your picked is amazing, not the best for gaming but will still CHOMP through anything you throw at it.

AliG

08-01-2008, 11:31 AM

I think he did a great job with the watercooling stuff, just poor timing with the skulltrail hardware. The reason why I say this is because I made the same mistake with buying an x2 1 week before conroe came out and am trying to save him some grief, it may be possible for him to still RMA the stuff

just a noob

08-01-2008, 02:59 PM

it still beats the hell out of a p4 and 512mb of ram, anyway nice looking build you have going

IanY

08-02-2008, 07:19 AM

Hey, he is the sort of guy who can guy anything he wants, when he wants. Why can't he buy a Bloomfield Skulltrail II when its released? Some people are not budget constrained, and he looks like one of them.

MadHacker

08-02-2008, 07:49 AM

I use to have a $5000 - $7000 budget for home computer a year...
but now own a house... so needless to say... that has changed...
I just bought a LIAN-LI PC-201B, to mod... just not sure how i want to do it...
sorry bout the thread hijack...

Awesome job on the mod though

Webster

08-02-2008, 09:58 AM

A monstrous build. Great, clean work! :D

ibm390s

08-03-2008, 07:52 AM

after intense calculations i just figured out that the actual case does not offer me the right amout of space so last night i started designing a new case from scratch. it will hold 6x240 rads 3 on the front and 3 on the back (or vents) and 3x360 rads on the bottom of the case. the case will be divided in 3 parts:

bottom - cooling section where the rads and the pumps will stay.

middle - the power and storage section where PSU or PSU's will be installed together with HDD, CD/DDV-ROM's and reservoirs (XSPC 5.25 bay reservoirs) also fan controllers.

top - mobo section where the mobo will rest. the top section will have plexi panels.

each section will have his own panels which will be fastened using M4 imbus screws to the frame using rivet nuts.

a few pictures with the finished parts.

bottom plate
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8895/bottomny2.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottomny2.jpg)

bottom section front panel
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7236/fata1lr2.th.jpg (http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fata1lr2.jpg)

middle section front panel
http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/2876/fata2nn2.th.jpg (http://img355.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fata2nn2.jpg)

divider between bottom and middle section
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2774/level1ov7.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=level1ov7.jpg)

divider between middle and mobo section (lack of tubing holes)
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7564/level2gv1.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=level2gv1.jpg)

side panels
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6789/sidepanel1model2tj1.th.jpg (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sidepanel1model2tj1.jpg)

everything will be laser cut and powdercoated. also tomorrow i will print all the pieces on paper (got a plotter) and the i'll glue them to some wood to build a model and test the tube routing and everything. also i'll try to shrink it a little bit. the frame will be 40x40x2mm.

sorry about my bad english.

IanY

08-03-2008, 08:13 AM

Your English is certainly 10,000 miles better than my Romanian lol

I remember wandering the streets of Bucharest in the mid-1990s totally lost and out of place, not being able to communicate haha

ibm390s

08-03-2008, 08:24 AM

you were in romania back in the 90'? Those times were like an Eastern El Dorado. Everybody did businesses no matter what when and how. Great times anyway. I worked in Bucharest one year and it was great.

IanY

08-03-2008, 09:20 AM

you were in romania back in the 90'? Those times were like an Eastern El Dorado. Everybody did tades no matter what when and how. Great times anyway. I worked in Bucharest one year and it was great.

That was the idea :) I was in venture capital. I was in Moscow while the statue of Lenin fell. Romania seemed so promising. I remember riding through the center of Bucharest admiring the architecture.. full of bullet holes. The city is still beautiful, but I can only imagine its glory in its hey day. After the flight from Kiev, Ukraine, it seemed like Paris to me lol

OdinEidolon

08-03-2008, 09:49 AM

why dont you watercool SB and NB too? there are some EK water bloks for them, if i'm not wrong. CyberDruid did it.

ibm390s

08-03-2008, 10:25 AM

this setup is still under heavy construction. NB and SB blocks on the way. Tygon tubing high flow fittings. this is only a test run not the final config. i started up the board to see some temps, but i'm not happy with them

at stock speeds in idle the temps look like this:

40 degress on cpu1
42 degrees on cpu0

in load they jump up to 60 - 70. so i plan to install three loops. two loops for each cpu and another loop for graphics. each loop will be cooled by a combination of two radiators 2x240 BlackIce GTX (i allready have them that's why i designed the case to allow 240 rads in the front and 240/360 rads on the bottom. Also 2 Laing Ultra pumps interconnected by watercool top for each loop for better flow and pressure. maybe after the first tests with this config i'll move the NB to oane cpu loop and the SB to the other cpu loop. but testing need to be done.

MadHacker

08-03-2008, 03:34 PM

just a noob

08-03-2008, 04:49 PM

you should put that new case on a scale too after its been fully bled with all the hardware in it, and i honestly don't see anything wrong with your english

ibm390s

08-04-2008, 07:23 AM

today i did some precise measurements and i was able to shrink the case a little bit. just finished the bottom plate and print it on a A0 plotter and test the position of the rad. i do not have now the 360 rads (need to order them) but the 240 blackice GTX will do the job for testing. bottom plate final dimension is: 520x520mm and will accommodate 3xBlackIce GTX 360 rads.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7923/p1050899dy7.th.jpg (http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050899dy7.jpg) http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5633/p1050900hn2.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050900hn2.jpg) http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9273/p1050902co9.th.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1050902co9.jpg)

The frame will be made using some aluminium square tubing 40x40mm with 1.5mm wall thickness and some angle-irons which will be fastened using M4 and M5 rivet nuts.

Stay tuned.

ibm390s

08-12-2008, 01:56 PM

after a very busy week here are the first updates.

the bottom plate which will hold the triple rads was cut on the laser. two blackice 360 rads just arrived. still waitiong on the tubing fittings NB and SB blocks to arrive. tomorrow i will cut the lower side panel which will hold the 2 240 rads. loop setup will be the following:

oop1 - Res-pump-rad360-rad240-cpu0-NB-res
loop2 - Res-pump-rad360-rad240-cpu1-SB-res
loop3 - Res-pump-rad360-video-res

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6884/dsc00882wu0.th.jpg (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00882wu0.jpg) http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9336/dsc00883yq8.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00883yq8.jpg)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4108/dsc00885jx7.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00885jx7.jpg) http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2504/dsc00886fb5.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00886fb5.jpg)

http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9378/dsc00892qa3.th.jpg (http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00892qa3.jpg) http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/566/dsc00889fl5.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00889fl5.jpg)

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1821/bottomfullrev12extrudedkq3.th.jpg (http://img374.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottomfullrev12extrudedkq3.jpg) http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5048/sidepanelfdy0.th.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sidepanelfdy0.jpg)

ibm390s

09-05-2008, 02:22 PM

after 3 weeks of work the frame is ready and i was able to put everything together. these are the pics...

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2269/p1060352nl9.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1060352nl9.jpg) http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2384/p1060361vm1.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1060361vm1.jpg) http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/6583/p1060369fc8.th.jpg (http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1060369fc8.jpg) http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/1300/p10603755420655up2.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603755420655up2.jpg) http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/1849/p10603965437355yp5.th.jpg (http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603965437355yp5.jpg) http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4933/p10604025471828um6.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10604025471828um6.jpg) http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1916/p10604045502503gj1.th.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10604045502503gj1.jpg) http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6239/p10604055540040tp6.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10604055540040tp6.jpg) http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9457/p10604132748967yt7.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10604132748967yt7.jpg) http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/3456/p10603772848720du1.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p10603772848720du1.jpg)

The side panels and the front panel will be made from a combination of black and transparent plexi. i hope that everything will be finished in max 2 weeks.

i was able to boot at 4.61GHz and do a wprime at 4.59GHz so for the moment i'm satisfied with the results.