View Full Version : TFC XChanger 480 has arrived!!
uranium
07-20-2008, 07:20 AM
This arrived yesterday morning:) (available at Aqua PCs for anyone in the UK)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8364/radbh2.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radbh2.jpg)
Using 4 of these
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9125/fanxo0.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fanxo0.jpg)[/IMG]
in pull with shrouds made form 25 mm fan housings (didn't have any 38s)
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2374/radfansdu7.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radfansdu7.jpg)
Will just fit in the top of my G70 case :D
Just have to make a grill now, since nobody seems to sell one for a 480 rad:rolleyes:
uranium
07-20-2008, 07:36 AM
Nice....
I'll stick w/my PA120.3's though...FTW
Fair enough:) I'd use 2 120.3s if I had a bigger case.......
480 is in preparartion for getting a 4870X2 and cooling that and a Q6600 on one loop.
:)
bentleya
07-20-2008, 07:36 AM
feser are bringing out a grill for that rad :D just wait a few weeks :D
uranium
07-20-2008, 07:38 AM
Oh well I've just spent a couple of hours marking out a piece of 3mm aluminium sheet in preparation for milling it tomorrow :(
Still always did like DIY;)
Martinm210
07-20-2008, 07:54 AM
Nice!
I've still got to plumb mine into my system loop. I'll be spoiling the Q6600 again, one 480 all to itself..:D
uranium
07-20-2008, 08:00 AM
Thank you Martin , and also for all your excellent testing:clap:
1 480 for 1 Q6600- that what I call Xtreme:yepp:
BTW have you come across these fans?
SAN ACE Silent series
http://www.sanyodenki.eu/-DC-Fan-S-type-Silent-Fan-.html
Ball bearing (so good for horizontal mounting), curved blade. The ones I just got are 24 dB 60 cfm 0.09" H2O static pressure, 1650 rpm
It fits a PC-G70B ? Really? Thanks for the tip
Martinm210
07-20-2008, 08:04 AM
Thank you Martin , and also for all your excellent testing:clap:
1 480 for 1 Q6600- that what I call Xtreme:yepp:
BTW have you come across these fans?
SAN ACE Silent series
http://www.sanyodenki.eu/-DC-Fan-S-type-Silent-Fan-.html
Ball bearing (so good for horizontal mounting), curved blade. The ones I just got are 24 dB 60 cfm 0.09" H2O static pressure, 1650 rpm
Hehe, yeah one fan per core..
No I havn't tried one of those yet, although I expect nothing but goodness from San Ace.
.09" is pretty good, I think my quick testing on the medium speed yates was pushing around .08", so that's good.:up:
uranium
07-20-2008, 08:06 AM
It fits a PC-G70B ? Really? Thanks for the tip
Indeed-just. The distance between the internal edges of the 2 top horizontal rails in the G70 is 527mm and the rad is 523 mm long including the bleed screw- you won't be able to get to that but I never both using them for beeding anyway
EDIT the rad length I got from the diagram on the Feser site. Its slightly wrong! Just measured it and its 526.5mm. So will still fit but only 0.5mm clearance :eek:
SeanB
07-20-2008, 02:22 PM
Hey, hows this 480 going? im pretty interested in this baby aswell :)
septim
07-20-2008, 06:58 PM
perfect "snug" fit.
IanY, you doing a g70 twin?
martin doing those 480 wings of yours, 1 fesser, 1 BI Gtx... wonder which would cool the quad and gpus better...
Martinm210
07-20-2008, 07:12 PM
perfect "snug" fit.
IanY, you doing a g70 twin?
martin doing those 480 wings of yours, 1 fesser, 1 BI Gtx... wonder which would cool the quad and gpus better...
I don't really have enough of a heat load to make that much difference, but I am running Yate Loon D12SL12's where the TFC is better optimized. I also like the lower pressure drop for when I start the CPU testing, it'll bleed faster that way and should allow for a little higher flow rates.:up:
This time I'll be doing the CPU testing with a DDC 3.2 and XSPC reservoir top, so it'll be a fairly high performance CPU loop to test with.:)
IanY, you doing a g70 twin?
No Septim. G70s are the current family's case of choice because they look plain. I like G70s because they are simple to work with, but I don't like the convoluted fan flow. I always end up reversing the fans, and actually end up replacing those very weak Lian Li fans. I like the dual PSU bays, which makes them versatile. However, its a pain with the wires unless you drill the non-removable mobo tray.
majestik
07-20-2008, 08:45 PM
First time I see those San Aces... they look nice. The pink and yellow wiring on the other hand... :p:
Movieman
07-20-2008, 08:54 PM
No Septim. G70s are the current family's case of choice because they look plain. I like G70s because they are simple to work with, but I don't like the convoluted fan flow. I always end up reversing the fans, and actually end up replacing those very weak Lian Li fans. I like the dual PSU bays, which makes them versatile. However, its a pain with the wires unless you drill the non-removable mobo tray.
hints for G70 and water.. at least how I did it..
http://www.xtremesystems.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=48
uranium
07-20-2008, 11:36 PM
First time I see those San Aces... they look nice. The pink and yellow wiring on the other hand... :p:
I'm good at metal work but not at photography:rolleyes:
uranium
07-21-2008, 10:22 AM
A couple of hours on the milling machine:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8908/unpaintedgrillhw7.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unpaintedgrillhw7.jpg)
I know, another rubbish photo :rolleyes:
Just need to paint it black and cut a BIG hole in the top of the case...
A couple of hours on the milling machine:
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/8908/unpaintedgrillhw7.th.jpg (http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unpaintedgrillhw7.jpg)
I know, another rubbish photo :rolleyes:
Just need to paint it black and cut a BIG hole in the top of the case...
Looks good. Really want the see a pic of the 480 in the G70. Its like youre replacing the whole top panel. Gonna be a solid performer.
uranium
07-22-2008, 11:12 AM
Looks good. Really want the see a pic of the 480 in the G70. Its like youre replacing the whole top panel. Gonna be a solid performer.
Here you go :)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9942/radincasely0.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=radincasely0.jpg)
Just need to cut a big hole in the top panel and spray paint the grill- but not tonight:(
uranium
07-22-2008, 11:58 AM
how is that mounted?
Temporarily held up on a thin bar through a pair of the slots in the drive bay assembly at one end and resting on the PSU mounting cage in the top of the case (it has one at the bottom as well which is where the PSU is) at the other end. Not for long I hope!
uranium
07-22-2008, 01:02 PM
OK here's a quick test (but certainly not up to Martin's standards)
Q6600 @3.4Ghz, 1.30V; 8800GTX @ 650/1500/2000; mosfet and NB waterblocks
OCCT 30 mins 100% CPU
PA 120.3 with 3 S-Flex E @ 900RPM
Room temp 22 C
CPU load temp max 50/50/47/47
TFC480 with 4 San Ace @1090RPM (to my ears slightly quieter :))
Room temp 25 C
CPU load max temp 47/47/44/44
Allowing for the difference in air temp that's about a 5 deg C improvement. Also the system is not properly bled yet and I am running the pump at 2/3 of the speed used for the PA 120.3 test (to help bleeding).
So should be fine for a 4870X2 instead of the GTX:)
Nickel020
07-22-2008, 01:03 PM
Can you still use the USB etc. ports in the top? IIRC the G70 has them in the top, I never liked cases that had them in the bottom...
uranium
07-22-2008, 01:11 PM
Can you still use the USB etc. ports in the top? IIRC the G70 has them in the top, I never liked cases that had them in the bottom...
Afraid not, there's absolutely no room- I had to sacrifice them. I now have a black Silverstone FP32 3.5" I/O Panel in the top floppy bay. Just have to bend down more often:)
slim142
07-22-2008, 02:22 PM
Nice Uranium!
I will be getting mines at the end of this week, cant wait!
Will be using 8 Yate Loons High speed models with a Fan controller.
XS_RoB
07-22-2008, 02:44 PM
@ Slim142
Where are you guys purchasing from in US? Frozen CPU are their Main Distribution point and I have looked everyday and still have not seen any listed..... on any US site....
Can ya Hook me up with a Connection for another Florida Delivery? Thanks!
Martinm210
07-22-2008, 02:55 PM
Awesome machining work there, now that's a nice clean and custom install!..:)
@ Slim142
Where are you guys purchasing from in US? Frozen CPU are their Main Distribution point and I have looked everyday and still have not seen any listed..... on any US site....
Can ya Hook me up with a Connection for another Florida Delivery? Thanks!
Keep checking in with frozencpu ;)
For anyone that is wondering if it'll fit a cosmos s; it don't :(
slim142
07-22-2008, 03:47 PM
@ Slim142
Where are you guys purchasing from in US? Frozen CPU are their Main Distribution point and I have looked everyday and still have not seen any listed..... on any US site....
Can ya Hook me up with a Connection for another Florida Delivery? Thanks!
Check PM :up:
leo_bsb
07-22-2008, 05:29 PM
Afraid not, there's absolutely no room- I had to sacrifice them. I now have a black Silverstone FP32 3.5" I/O Panel in the top floppy bay. Just have to bend down more often:)
First I wish I hadn't cut my top panel to fit the PA120.3, now I'll need another top if I want to buy the Feser.
Good idea regarding the Silverstone 3.5" panel, I thought about cut an existing 3.5" bay cover to fit the IO bracket that came stock with the case.
I do a lot of math before buying parts. Since I could sell my G70 for a LOT of cash here in Brazil I thought: Get a new MM UFO Duality in my next trip and fit it with 3 MCR320 for cheap. I would probably save money comparing to buy a new feser 480 and new top or rad grill. :yepp:
The only problem is the space on my table and my wife complains ;)
disruptfam
07-22-2008, 05:56 PM
all we need know if rad grills for the feser rads!!!
i'ma ask martin from feser to get on to that :)
slim142
07-22-2008, 07:07 PM
Just get those $2.50 120mm Aluminum Grills from Performance-Pcs.com or any other site, those rad grills cover too much the fan giving an impact to the air thats coming in.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=110&products_id=249&zenid=6ccea6c316908a0e7040a5e8c8c33698
Im planning on getting 4 shrouds for the outer side of the rad and all 8 fans with aluminum grills.
uranium
07-23-2008, 11:46 AM
OK grill is painted and installed , and the rad is now mounted properly. Removed top PSU cage as well :)
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7997/frontcloseupgl8.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontcloseupgl8.jpg) http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/769/completesideviewiz4.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=completesideviewiz4.jpg) http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2659/completetopviewja1.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=completetopviewja1.jpg)
Still the odd bit of pink, majestik ;)
Garrett
07-23-2008, 02:05 PM
Nice stuff uranium, nice Silverstone FP32-B too... good thing you mentioned that, I can always use 4 usb ports on the front of the case :up:
But what's with the pink wash on the pictures, do you have a pink flash or something? :p:
Your custom grill looks AWESOME btw :eek: :up:
uranium
07-23-2008, 02:09 PM
Nice stuff uranium, nice Silverstone FP32-B too... good thing you mentioned that, I can always use 4 usb ports on the front of the case :up:
But what's with the pink wash on the pictures, do you have a pink flash or something? :p:
Your custom grill looks AWESOME btw :eek: :up:
Thanks:)
I thinnk my camera is ****ed:( It sometimes displays weird colours on the LCD screen when I turn it on, so maybe the CCD is on the way out
Aldy402
07-23-2008, 06:02 PM
I cant wait to get mine for my Lian Li PC-201B
thank god I only cut out a square for my PA120.3, all I have to do is extend the square to accommodate the feser 480
uranium
07-26-2008, 05:53 AM
A forum member asked me to try running the 480 passively, with CPU at default and idle. So here are the results:)
Q6600 @ default, speedstep and EIST enabled, 8800GTX @ 650/1500/2000 (didn't really want to flash the BIOS back to the default), NB and Mosfet blocks. Rad fans OFF, 2 case fans (Nexus D12SL-12) ON @ 1100RPM.
Room temperature 27 C (its warm in the UK at the moment :eek:)
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/3860/passivetempraturegraphssu7.th.jpg (http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=passivetempraturegraphssu7.jpg)
So after 45 mins or so seems to level off. When I have a moment I will TRY running a stress program, but I'm not very optimistic I'll be able to run it for long!
CPU idle temps with rad fans ON are 33/35/31/31
Martinm210
07-26-2008, 06:54 AM
Nice install, that's really slick and tidy in the top there, and the grill is perfect!
BTW,
I tried running mine passive as well, even with a 100W load temps were still climbing steadily after 3 hours of testing. Bottom line, passive doesn't work on any radiator, fans are essential and necessary.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/5105/tfc480passivetestob6.png
uranium
07-26-2008, 07:21 AM
Nice install, that's really slick and tidy in the top there, and the grill is perfect!
BTW,
I tried running mine passive as well, even with a 100W load temps were still climbing steadily after 3 hours of testing. Bottom line, passive doesn't work on any radiator, fans are essential and necessary.
Thank you Martin:)
I guess my test wan't completely passive since the rad was still in the case and the 2 case fans (which are exhausting OUT of the case) will have causes SOME airflow through the rad- hence it reached some sort of equilibrium. I presume in your test there was NO airflow whatsoever through the rad?
Waterlogged
07-26-2008, 08:21 AM
Nice install, that's really slick and tidy in the top there, and the grill is perfect!
BTW,
I tried running mine passive as well, even with a 100W load temps were still climbing steadily after 3 hours of testing. Bottom line, passive doesn't work on any radiator, fans are essential and necessary.
...and yet, there are idiots that still insist on thinking they can run passively. :slapass:
Martinm210
07-26-2008, 09:11 AM
Thank you Martin:)
I guess my test wan't completely passive since the rad was still in the case and the 2 case fans (which are exhausting OUT of the case) will have causes SOME airflow through the rad- hence it reached some sort of equilibrium. I presume in your test there was NO airflow whatsoever through the rad?
Yes, mine was on my test bench and there was absolutely no added air flow, only natural convection. If you had some case intake fans that would make a big difference.
I think if you built some sort of ducting system to draft air, you might be able to do it, but I don't know how you'd do that and make it look good.
I would just go with the 1000RPM fans if you want silence, heck I'm happy with 1350RPM.:up:
uranium
07-26-2008, 09:25 AM
Yes, mine was on my test bench and there was absolutely no added air flow, only natural convection. If you had some case intake fans that would make a big difference.
I think if you built some sort of ducting system to draft air, you might be able to do it, but I don't know how you'd do that and make it look good.
I would just go with the 1000RPM fans if you want silence, heck I'm happy with 1350RPM.:up:
Absolutely- decent quality rad fans, which you can adjust for those mad benchmarking moments, are the way to go. My San Ace fans are pretty quiet at 1100RPM :) Just did the passive test because someone asked me to !
disruptfam
07-26-2008, 01:08 PM
Will this fit in a Lian Li PC-A7110B????
similar size to the g70 220 x 595 x 615 mm ( W, H, D) but i will lose the top usb's same as you... the depth is the front panel i assume
majestik
07-26-2008, 01:21 PM
Your camera has a mind of it's own. And it likes pink.
uranium
07-26-2008, 01:44 PM
Your camera has a mind of it's own. And it likes pink.
I have consigned the camera to the dustbin- the Canon store said it would cost £130 to fix. So I've just bought a new one (not from the Canon store;))
uranium
07-26-2008, 01:47 PM
Will this fit in a Lian Li PC-A7110B????
similar size to the g70 220 x 595 x 615 mm ( W, H, D) but i will lose the top usb's same as you... the depth is the front panel i assume
I would imagine it will fit- the length of the rad is 526 mm
uranium
07-29-2008, 01:24 AM
In case anyone wants to make their own grill, here are the dimensions of mine
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/4630/unpaintedgrilldimensiondp3.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unpaintedgrilldimensiondp3.jpg)
:)
alejo
07-29-2008, 05:12 AM
Another solution for a grill that I saw someone on the aquacomputer boards use, but using a BI 480: 480 rad in G70 (http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=2;action=display;num=1174679632)
It looks like he took 2 240 grills and cut off the very ends of each. It looks really clean.
Alex
Martinm210
07-29-2008, 02:44 PM
Another solution for a grill that I saw someone on the aquacomputer boards use, but using a BI 480: 480 rad in G70 (http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/cgi-bin/YaBB/YaBB.pl?board=2;action=display;num=1174679632)
It looks like he took 2 240 grills and cut off the very ends of each. It looks really clean.
Alex
Wow, that guy has got some serious system building patience and skillz.
http://www.turricanm3.de/pc/g70_new5.jpg
And cash :\
no doubt nice work though.
jonny_ftm
07-30-2008, 05:14 AM
Wow, that guy has got some serious system building patience and skillz.
You missed this side from his setup
http://www.turricanm3.de/pc/g70_new4.jpg
And his other build (the radiator mounting on top :eek: )
http://www.turricanm3.de/pc/xaser_vs_g70.jpg
Nice clean build
generics_user
08-05-2008, 08:47 AM
beautiful build with xtreme silence in mind, i mean a qx 9770 @ 4ghz with no fan running at more than 550 rpm is KICKASS
kumar
08-05-2008, 08:51 AM
The tubing:down:
tjelaw
08-05-2008, 09:10 AM
I got my 480 rad today... it stinks, literally.
There's this smell, it smells like farm, reminds me of goats, rabbits and hay... I hope it goes away eventually. Anyone else noticed this? Or do all rads have this bad smell?
jonny_ftm
08-05-2008, 12:28 PM
The tubing:down:
I don't see anything bad in his tubing
http://www.turricanm3.de/pc/g70_new6.jpg
I got my 480 rad today... it stinks, literally.
There's this smell, it smells like farm, reminds me of goats, rabbits and hay... I hope it goes away eventually. Anyone else noticed this? Or do all rads have this bad smell?
I noticed the same with mine. Maybe the painting. It should disappear by its self
RickCain
08-05-2008, 06:20 PM
I don't see anything bad in his tubing
http://www.turricanm3.de/pc/g70_new6.jpg
He must be talking about the size of the tubing....... :shrug:
disruptfam
08-05-2008, 06:53 PM
I like that build definetly clean...
Gives me some ideas....Looks like a feser 480 will fit in the top my case...although i will lose the usb/audio ports...hmmm
uranium
08-18-2008, 11:44 AM
Here are the results with a TFC 480 cooling a Q6600@3.4GHz + 2 ATI 4870s in crossfire with EK FC blocks + NB cooler + Mosfet cooler running rthdribl and OCCT :)
Room temperature 25.1 degC
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5764/ati4870crossfirewholecamu9.th.jpg (http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ati4870crossfirewholecamu9.jpg)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/156/ati4870crossfireag2.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ati4870crossfireag2.jpg)
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1844/ati4870andcpustresstestqb9.th.jpg (http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ati4870andcpustresstestqb9.jpg)