Black Ops BIOS of the Day: G28

[LardArse]

G28 bios
improved Memory compatibility (http://resources.vr-zone.com/Shamino/7A3F1G28.rar)

Also solved solved Patriot DDR3 1866MHz hang-up on memory sizing issue.

[ric9887]

G28 still wont boot my Corsair TW3X4G1800C8DF. G26 at least boots em.

[saaya]

huh?
How about G27?
So you cant even get the board to boot with G28? very weird... all that was changed was to ignore XMP afaik... so how could that make things worse? :confused:

[clone38]

Will give it a try when my QX9650 arrives :)
Thanks.

[Pegazus]

Big thank to you Peter:up:
G27 make my cellshock 1800 can't boot more than 800 Mhz with 54 code :(
This G28 make it run 880 Mhz CL6 rock stable. :D
You did the great job man.:clap: But I will wait for >1000 Mhz Bios next time.:p:

Thank you very much again.:up:

[Harshal]

Will post my findings with OCZ 2moro after trying :)

[saaya]

thanks guys! :toast:

could you try again ric?
maybe it was a bad flash?
did you load optimized defaults after flashing the BIOS and then configured it all again?

[ric9887]

I cant boot G27 or G28. Just error 54 and continual beeping. There is no option to enter the BIOS to load defaults.

G26 is ok though

[saaya]

what happens if you clear cmos?
Can you try this?
shut down the board, turn off the psu, remove both BIOS chips (actually the left is enough, thats the one you usually boot from), wait for a few minutes and then put it back in, turn on the psu, turn on the board and boot up.

why does G26 work and G27 and G27 dont?
that doesnt make any sense... hmmmmm

[ric9887]

Clearing the CMOS doesnt have any effect.

Removing the reinserting the BIOS chip in the left socket doesnt have any effect. It still boots with error 54 and continual beeping.

I believe the modules do have an XMP profile on them.

When it successfully boots with G26, the memory settings which are chosen are 8-8-8-24 @1.801V

[hipro5]

Have you tried to put your rams into the WHITE DDR slots?...... :)

[ric9887]

Have you tried to put your rams into the WHITE DDR slots?...... :)

I tried the white slots with G28, but still the same Error 54 and continual beeping

[saaya]

can you try to flash the BIOS again?
maybe it was a bad flash? did you flash at unstable speeds maybe?

good to see you around george! :toast:

[FuriousSalesman]

I am having a really nice time with G28. I am positively loving the new options in it. It definitely made my CPU 4.25ghz Mem 2000mhz overclock Superpi 32M stable.

Thanks!

Edit: Somehow now I am unstable.

[saaya]

good to hear! what mem are you using again?

[ric9887]

can you try to flash the BIOS again?
maybe it was a bad flash? did you flash at unstable speeds maybe?

I tried reflashing and still no go. It boots fine on G28 with some Cellshocks 1866's I got yesterday so I am not sure what to do.

[tiborrr]

From what i've experienced it's always better to use the slots father from the socket.

@Furious: Which mem? Can you please share your settings?

[saaya]

hmmmmm rich, could you do me a favour and post a memory SPD dump here?
just download spdtool from www.techpowerup.com/spdtool and then read the spd and safe it, create a zip with it and post it here.
You could flash the CellShock SPD to your Corsair sticks... or you could use Typhoon SPD burner to edit the Corsair SPD and remove the XMP profile, which i suspect is causing the problem.

still, its very weird that the memory works with G26 and does NOT work with G27 and G28... maybe there was something else changed that affects this that im not aware of hmmmm

Oh and could you post a detailled list of your system config?
thanks!

[sashin]

Saaya, i ahve been trying to use this G28 BIOS wih my Cellshock....but not evenstable at 400 FSB which i was able to do with G27...Any advice..have tried to leave settings on AUTO and playing with control, clock and command skew as it is called in this BIOS as oppesed to dll in the G27 bios..
Any help or advice?? Getting rather tired of this whole mobo memory problems. It runs fine for a few minuted them BOOM....................i get BSOD forno apparent, I know it is to do with memory. I keep hearing how these new Cellshock modules should go up to 450 fsb on dualcore procs BUT i can hardly get the damn thing running at 400 on a quadcore...............why is this. Don't you guys test these modules on quadcore procs also....
Most people on this particular thread run dual core and get pretty high FSB...what about quad cores and cellshocks and this Blackops mobo????

[saaya]

I keep hearing how these new Cellshock modules should go up to 450 fsb on dualcore procs BUT i can hardly get the damn thing running at 400 on a quadcore...............why is this. Don't you guys test these modules on quadcore procs also....
Most people on this particular thread run dual core and get pretty high FSB...what about quad cores and cellshocks and this Blackops mobo????

the memory modules dont run with an FSB... memory speed and fsb speed are related depending on what memory divider you use, but memory doesnt run up to a certain fsb, it runs up to a certain memory speed.

to reach ddr3 1800 you need 450fsb.
to reach ddr3 2000 you need 500fsb.

dualcore cpus can reach a higher fsb than quadcores, dualcore 45nm chips can go up to 500+ while quadcores are limited to 450+

please post a list of what you set the memory and cpu to.
what cpu multiplier, fsb, memory divider, memory timings, dll adjustments, what cpu voltage, vtt voltage, gtl settings, vdimm voltage and nb voltage.

does the system run stable at stock speed with everything at auto?
just load optimized defaults and lt me know if the system is stable at that speed or not.

[sashin]

the memory modules dont run with an FSB... memory speed and fsb speed are related depending on what memory divider you use, but memory doesnt run up to a certain fsb, it runs up to a certain memory speed.

to reach ddr3 1800 you need 450fsb.
to reach ddr3 2000 you need 500fsb.

dualcore cpus can reach a higher fsb than quadcores, dualcore 45nm chips can go up to 500+ while quadcores are limited to 450+

please post a list of what you set the memory and cpu to.
what cpu multiplier, fsb, memory divider, memory timings, dll adjustments, what cpu voltage, vtt voltage, gtl settings, vdimm voltage and nb voltage.

does the system run stable at stock speed with everything at auto?
just load optimized defaults and lt me know if the system is stable at that speed or not.

At stock speed everything is ok on auto ie fsb 333 multi 9 and all memory and voltage on auto
I will take a photo and post up my settings this weekend saaya.

[jolliffee]

Just received my replacement board and flashed it to G28..

At stock settings the QX9770 is running at 2402 with the multiplier set at 6, is this right surely it should pick up the correct settings by default?

[Harshal]

Ok I got my chance finally. This BIOS improved usage of OCZ-2000 CL9 kit specially with my E8400. With QX9770 I am not sure why but is far from stable even @ just 1600 CL7, will just restart while opening few folders or loading cpuz. :rolleyes:
SETUP:
E8400 Q748
BlackOps - G28
OCZ 2GB Plat 16000 CL9
GB 9600GT TurboForce
Corsair TX750

Volts set in BIOS:
vCORE: 1.3125v
vNB: 1.5v
vDIMM: 1.8v
NOTE: I was checking how Vantage looks and then was lazy to install XP again :shrug:
Pi @ 1600 [more in MEMSET and it crashes :p:]
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/19119_y74ng/Pi32M_36_800.jpg (http://www.imgx.org/view/full/19119_y74ng)
Everest @ 1800 (Pi32M is in works as stability is an issue past 1600)
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/19120_ms1yc/cachemem-1800_98820%5BT%5D.png (http://www.imgx.org/view/full/19120_ms1yc)

[rdrash]

Just received my replacement board and flashed it to G28..

At stock settings the QX9770 is running at 2402 with the multiplier set at 6, is this right surely it should pick up the correct settings by default?

1. make sure that you select NATIVE MODE at the EIST FUNCTION under CPU Feature in QUANTUM BIOS

2. You'll need to go into the OS control panel then select the POWER OPTIONS, now select HIGH PERFORMANCE.

That should get you your correct cpu speeds without the throttling going on...:up:

[rdrash]

Ok I got my chance finally. This BIOS improved usage of OCZ-2000 CL9 kit specially with my E8400. With QX9770 I am not sure why but is far from stable even @ just 1600 CL7, will just restart while opening few folders or loading cpuz. :rolleyes:
SETUP:
E8400 Q748
BlackOps - G28
OCZ 2GB Plat 16000 CL9
GB 9600GT TurboForce
Corsair TX750

Volts set in BIOS:
vCORE: 1.3125v
vNB: 1.5v
vDIMM: 1.8v
NOTE: I was checking how Vantage looks and then was lazy to install XP again :shrug:
Pi @ 1600 [more in MEMSET and it crashes :p:]
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/19119_y74ng/Pi32M_36_800.jpg (http://www.imgx.org/view/full/19119_y74ng)
Everest @ 1800 (Pi32M is in works as stability is an issue past 1600)
http://www.imgx.org/thumbs/small/19120_ms1yc/cachemem-1800_98820%5BT%5D.png (http://www.imgx.org/view/full/19120_ms1yc)


I've noticed that my board tends to undervolt the ram a bit from what I set in the BIOS, can you try to increase the volts to your ram abit above the rated specs..it may get you the stability you're looking for on your mem

[Harshal]

^^ Thanks. For 1800, I am setting 1.878V in BIOS and still face the stability issue. But since you said it may be undervolting I think I will try 1.91V and 1.9X. If I know I can tighten the timings with a few VDIMM bumps.

[BMAF]

Saaya, i ahve been trying to use this G28 BIOS wih my Cellshock....but not evenstable at 400 FSB which i was able to do with G27...Any advice..have tried to leave settings on AUTO and playing with control, clock and command skew as it is called in this BIOS as oppesed to dll in the G27 bios..
Any help or advice?? Getting rather tired of this whole mobo memory problems. It runs fine for a few minuted them BOOM....................i get BSOD forno apparent, I know it is to do with memory. I keep hearing how these new Cellshock modules should go up to 450 fsb on dualcore procs BUT i can hardly get the damn thing running at 400 on a quadcore...............why is this. Don't you guys test these modules on quadcore procs also....
Most people on this particular thread run dual core and get pretty high FSB...what about quad cores and cellshocks and this Blackops mobo????

I had trouble with my Cellshock blue kit running at a fsb of 400 also. After a few minutes of prime 95 the computer would hard lock. Memtest would show errors on test 4. Couldn't figure out why, running the memory under its rated speed. Think I was using 7-7-7-14, 1T, performance level of 6, 1.801 volts. Tried increasing the voltage without success.

Then I read a thread where saaya said something about sometimes to much voltage can give errors also. I think it was in the extreme bandwidth forum, in the Cellshock 1866 thread.

Changed the voltage to 1.783, no errors ever, even after hours of prime 95 and memtest. You might try using a little less voltage.

[jolliffee]

1. make sure that you select NATIVE MODE at the EIST FUNCTION under CPU Feature in QUANTUM BIOS

2. You'll need to go into the OS control panel then select the POWER OPTIONS, now select HIGH PERFORMANCE.

That should get you your correct cpu speeds without the throttling going on...:up:

Thanks; I did notice the cpu clock ratio was locked at 6 so I enabled Frequency Unlimit and changed the cpu clock ratio to 9.

[saaya]

Just received my replacement board and flashed it to G28..

At stock settings the QX9770 is running at 2402 with the multiplier set at 6, is this right surely it should pick up the correct settings by default?
hmmm this doesnt sound right at all... so it ran at 6x266 instead of 8x400?
Weird... did you reset the bios and load optimized defaults after you flashed the BIOS? how did you flash the BIOS? from windows or floppy?


Ok I got my chance finally. This BIOS improved usage of OCZ-2000 CL9 kit specially with my E8400. With QX9770 I am not sure why but is far from stable even @ just 1600 CL7, will just restart while opening few folders or loading cpuz. :rolleyes:
hmmmm this only happened with the qx9770 right? hmmmm

[dMITIj]

Hmm i cant get any OC going on at all, the BIOS (27, G28) keeps setting my FSP/memory back at 1333Mhz nomather what i try, i can't even get the memory to run 1600Mhz as they are rate at only thing i can get up and running is 1333Mhz, before on my rampage i ran 3.8ghz on my Q9450 at 1.375v so on this black ops i have tride 1.400 nothing happens other than i cant boot up into the OS and it reset all my settings back to std. 333/1333, any ideas? :(

[sashin]

I had trouble with my Cellshock blue kit running at a fsb of 400 also. After a few minutes of prime 95 the computer would hard lock. Memtest would show errors on test 4. Couldn't figure out why, running the memory under its rated speed. Think I was using 7-7-7-14, 1T, performance level of 6, 1.801 volts. Tried increasing the voltage without success.

Then I read a thread where saaya said something about sometimes to much voltage can give errors also. I think it was in the extreme bandwidth forum, in the Cellshock 1866 thread.

Changed the voltage to 1.783, no errors ever, even after hours of prime 95 and memtest. You might try using a little less voltage.

You are absolutely right!!! I have been using G28 BIOS for a week now and i have been able to use 411 x 9.5 stable (CPU 1.43 volts on Agiea panel...BIOS is set at 1.45 volts) with 3dMark 06 and 3D Mark Vantage stable and all the memory settings are on auto!!!! Unbelieveable..i just use 1.783 volts for memory modules for these settings !! I have not run any other bencharming softwares yet though. I think that these Blue Cellshock need very little voltage on this mobo...
I am now trying to get 411 x 10.....stable with water cooling...Will keep you guys updated.

[saaya]

Hmm i cant get any OC going on at all, the BIOS (27, G28) keeps setting my FSP/memory back at 1333Mhz nomather what i try, i can't even get the memory to run 1600Mhz as they are rate at only thing i can get up and running is 1333Mhz, before on my rampage i ran 3.8ghz on my Q9450 at 1.375v so on this black ops i have tride 1.400 nothing happens other than i cant boot up into the OS and it reset all my settings back to std. 333/1333, any ideas? :(hmmm could you post some more details about the settings and voltages your using? have you tried low multiplier and high fsb with 1:4 333 or 1:4 400 memory divider? what timings and vdimm?


You are absolutely right!!! I have been using G28 BIOS for a week now and i have been able to use 411 x 9.5 stable (CPU 1.43 volts on Agiea panel...BIOS is set at 1.45 volts) with 3dMark 06 and 3D Mark Vantage stable and all the memory settings are on auto!!!! Unbelieveable..i just use 1.783 volts for memory modules for these settings !! I have not run any other bencharming softwares yet though. I think that these Blue Cellshock need very little voltage on this mobo...
I am now trying to get 411 x 10.....stable with water cooling...Will keep you guys updated.glad you guys like it! :D
and dont forget, whatever vtt your using is .1v more than what the board is really running, since your on a 45nm cpu :D
so if you set 1.3v its actually 1.2v :)

[dMITIj]

hmmm could you post some more details about the settings and voltages your using? have you tried low multiplier and high fsb with 1:4 333 or 1:4 400 memory divider? what timings and vdimm?

Hello saaya.

for my memory 7t, 7t, 7t, 21t and 1.8v in BIOS and i have trid allmost all of the divider just to get my memory at 1600Mhz.
and now as you can see on the pic. i have trid lower the multiplier and set my memory up as they should be:
7t, 7t, 7t, 21t and 1.8v in BIOS, FSB 1:4 400 = 1600Mhz (no problems there)

For the CPU i have trid from standart voltages to 1.412..., core speed: 3200, 3400, 3600Mhz but it cant boot, it just keeps rebooting for 4-6 times and then go's back to standart value.

i can't go any higher whit the memory then the 1600Mhz :(

BTW i got an weird problem whit the AegisPanel10232 as you can see in the pic. below

[Solarfall]

mmm this new bios seems pretty good :D thats done with a 2 stage cascade sadly the cpu has weird broblems when its under subzero temps the multuplier starts to jump between the lowest 1 and the 1 its set to :( so when i try to run a bechmark the results come really bad.
mmm i think i will try my E8500 tomorrow and test how well this new bios handles dualcore chips

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/5958mhz.jpg

[dMITIj]

#34 Solarfall, what BIOS are you talking about?

[Solarfall]

#34 Solarfall, what BIOS are you talking about?

woops !!!!!!!! forgot i swapped the newer one today to a older one LOL :D:D:D hhahaha some1 needs to get some sleep and fix his eyes

[Nosfer@tu]

You propperly Disabled EIST.
I think that is when it happens, it must be at Naitive.

:D

benching to much will shut down your brain :D

Only 12-18 hours sessions at a time :D

[saaya]

hey dMITIj,

so now you managed to get the mem stable at 1600?
k, at least so far so good... so whats the max you can reach with your cpu at the highest multi with low memory divider of 1:2? and whats the max fsb you can reach with the lowest cpu multi and low mem divider of 1:2?


mmm this new bios seems pretty good :D thats done with a 2 stage cascade sadly the cpu has weird broblems when its under subzero temps the multuplier starts to jump between the lowest 1 and the 1 its set to :( so when i try to run a bechmark the results come really bad.
mmm i think i will try my E8500 tomorrow and test how well this new bios handles dualcore chips
hey solarfall,
didnt know you were benching with a blackops too!
nice! :D
and yeah, check if EIST is set to native mode, it should work fine once thats done :) forget the 8500, try an 8600, they seem to clock really nice :D

[LardArse]

mmm this new bios seems pretty good :D thats done with a 2 stage cascade sadly the cpu has weird broblems when its under subzero temps the multuplier starts to jump between the lowest 1 and the 1 its set to :( so when i try to run a bechmark the results come really bad.
mmm i think i will try my E8500 tomorrow and test how well this new bios handles dualcore chips

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/Solarfall_photos/5958mhz.jpg

i have a few cpu do this...
i would say do this:
run superpi 32m first before cascade reach maimum temp and open cpuz
try to see the temp when the multi drops t0 6x

when that happens many times u need to bootup warmer if not its stuck to 6x

[saaya]

sounds like the thermal diodes cause thermtrip cause the temps they read are out of range, which they interpret as hot :D
so when you boot at warmer temps and go to low temps once your in windows this doesnt happen?
interesting...

[dMITIj]

woops !!!!!!!! forgot i swapped the newer one today to a older one LOL :D:D:D hhahaha some1 needs to get some sleep and fix his eyes


haha.... this time you forgot to tell what BIOS you are useing? :up:

[dMITIj]

hey dMITIj,

so now you managed to get the mem stable at 1600?
k, at least so far so good... so whats the max you can reach with your cpu at the highest multi with low memory divider of 1:2? and whats the max fsb you can reach with the lowest cpu multi and low mem divider?

ill look at it when i get home from worke :up:

[Solarfall]

@Nosfer@tu/saaya yeah the EIST was set to native mode still the multis jump back and forth... hehheh and yeah i would love to torture E8600 chips but they are kinda hard to find at these latidudes.. soo i got no choise but to wait patiently

@shamino..... how do i boot up warmer ?? you mean boot into windoews before the cascade reaches its full load ??

@dMITIj... mmm i think that bios is the newest offcial bios

[LardArse]

@Nosfer@tu/saaya yeah the EIST was set to native mode still the multis jump back and forth... hehheh and yeah i would love to torture E8600 chips but they are kinda hard to find at these latidudes.. soo i got no choise but to wait patiently

@shamino..... how do i boot up warmer ?? you mean boot into windoews before the cascade reaches its full load ??

@dMITIj... mmm i think that bios is the newest offcial bios

yes...if u use ln2, u can see the temp where it will throttle to 6x

[dMITIj]

hey dMITIj,

so now you managed to get the mem stable at 1600?
k, at least so far so good... so whats the max you can reach with your cpu at the highest multi with low memory divider of 1:2? and whats the max fsb you can reach with the lowest cpu multi and low mem divider of 1:2?

I cant get it to do anything at all with above settings, it just keeps getting erros on the display on the mobo: C1, d3, but cant find anything in my user's manual about erro code's?

only thing i can boot at besides all on standart is CPU 3200 and mem 1600mhz

[blindfitter]

I cant get it to do anything at all with above settings, it just keeps getting erros on the display on the mobo: C1, d3, but cant find anything in my user's manual about erro code's?

only thing i can boot at besides all on standart is CPU 3200 and mem 1600mhz

Take a look here diMMj

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3056571&postcount=1

[dMITIj]

Take a look here diMMj

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3056571&postcount=1

thx m8 :up:

[saaya]

dMITIj, those are memory errors, what memory divider are you using?
try a lower one or play with the memory options, vdimm, dimm clock skew, memory timings etc :)

[dMITIj]

mem divider = 1:2, timings = 7,7,7,21, v1.8 @ BIOS, do you have any suggestion for vdimm, dimm clock skew, memory timings etc :) having bin playing with that before

[saaya]

hmmm 1:2 dividers?
what fsb are you running?
weird... 1:2 should work fine...
Could you post the detailled BIOS settings using the List i posted?
thanks man! :toast:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194182

[dMITIj]

hmmm 1:2 dividers?
what fsb are you running?
weird... 1:2 should work fine...
Could you post the detailled BIOS settings using the List i posted?
thanks man! :toast:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=194182


i would look into that when i get home :up:

[saaya]

alright, thanks! :toast:

[dMITIj]

hello againe.

So now i have bouth some new memory as you can see in my SIG, but i still cant get anything stabel over 1600mhz for the mem and 3200Mhz for the CPU, i have trid all the things we wrote about earlyer, lower multiple, more fsb and so on, and i have trid to look for some other tread for Q9450 and Black Ops but cant find any, i keep getting the d3 erro, were can i finde some redings for det codes?

[blindfitter]

Here;

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=190952

[saaya]

any updates?
sounds like your fsb limited... whats the max fsb with a low multiplier and mem divider you can get stable?
what exact settings are you running for vtt vcore etc?

[jolliffee]

hmmm this doesnt sound right at all... so it ran at 6x266 instead of 8x400?
Weird... did you reset the bios and load optimized defaults after you flashed the BIOS? how did you flash the BIOS? from windows or floppy?


hmmmm this only happened with the qx9770 right? hmmmm

Hi saaya

Sorry for being slow to respond, I’ve had to work away in Switzerland for a couple of weeks with no chance of answering your Q’s till now

This is with a QX9770, I know this may seem academic but I think it would help to resolve since I use the defaults as a baseline.

I’m running XP Pro, and flash using Fox LiveUpdate but I use local since I don’t have a network to the mobo. I get the BIOS from this site.

Before I flash I power down the mobo, remove power and press the little clear CMOS button on the mobo for a few seconds. I then power up, and load the BIOS.

Without changing any setting: the CPU Clock Ratio is 6 & CPU Clock is 400. The other crazy is even when I set manual OC I can’t change the CPU Clock Ratio till I change the CPU Unlimit.

I have never loaded optimised defaults, should I, what do they do?:confused:


Well I just tried again for some strange reason, settings seemed to be correct in BIOS at deafult now BUT!


System boots up and using the AGIS PANAL shows 3403 x 8 then changes to 2403x6
Am I missing a setting in XP I wonder?

Later in the Day Update!
Spent a couple of hours on this
I downloaded all the XP(SP3), drivers and updates, in fact I updated everything I could.

OK so no change but maybe some clarity:- remember no BIOS changes have been made just a straight boot to XP from a CMOS reset.

First Boot I can see the correct 8x400 in the AGIS Panal but after a second it changes to 6x400.
No when I re-boot the value in CMOS has been changed from 8 to 6 ?

I suspected it is something to do with the CIE BIOS so I disabled this in BIOS - reboot - No Change!
So it is only when I disable Frequency unlimit (that turns off CIE) that I can get control of the BIOS and can change the clock; phew I hope this makes sense?

[Xello]

Good job with the board and bios, folks. Currently rocking a QX9650 at 4.41ghz with 400fsb and Corsair XMS3 1600 (TW3X4G1600C9DHXNV) at 1600mhz 7-7-7-21 (1.86v), 21+ hrs prime stable. I first tried to get the cpu up along with the memory using the fsb, but general stability at 4.4ghz could only be done with the 400fsb and using the multi.

With more bandwidth not being an option i was thinking of going for better timings, i first went to 7-7-6-18 with 1.95v - yet to be verified with proper prime session, but stable so far in games / other smaller tests. I then tried 6-7-6-21 with just over 2v, but it was kinda buggy and i wasn't too confident with increasing the voltage much higher. According to legit reviews this memory can go to 6-7-6-18 but they were pumping 2.2-2.3v into it, i'm really not sure i want to go that high for fear of wasting the dimms as they appear to be performing really well so far, but i'm no pro at this so i'm not sure. I'd recommend corsair for this board without hesitation though :]

[saaya]

hey jolliffee, good to have you back :D :toast:
hope you had a good time away from hardware for a while hehe :)

it sounds to me like windows poer management is reducing your cpu multiplier to save power, did you adjust the powr management options to always run the cpu at full speed and stop fiddling with the cpu multipliers?

and the other problems you had after flashing the bios happen sometimes, its always best to load optimized defaults after flashing the bios to make sure there is no glitch or some settings is set to a weird value for some reason.

thanks a lot Xello :toast:
is that samsung based memory or micron?
if its micron then it should be good for 766 or 765 or 666 or 665 or 655, i havent seen any micron clock a single mhz better by pushing trcd up by 1, ie 676 over 666 should clock the same...

In my experience the older micron chips (GTN GTR GTS) liked the following timings:
986
876
766
765
665
655
555
554

and the newer micron ones (JNL JNM) like the following timings:
888
777
776
666
555

elpida ddr3 likes the following timings: (some sticks need trp to be 1 or 2 clocks higher than others, ie 687, 686, 676 etc)
685
684
674
574
573
563

and samsung ddr3 seems to be very similar to the newer micron chips, as in liking jedec timings (888 777), but it doesnt like lower timings than cas7 very much it seems.

[Xello]

The IC's are Samsung i believe.

I took a deep breath and pumped my memory up to 2.15v and NB up to 1.5, and i started pushing the fsb up again. I'm currently at 423 x 10.5 (4.4ghz / 1692mhz from 1:4 cpu333 - i think that's 1:2?) and seeing how tight i can get the timings from here. At 7-7-7-21, i get even better latency results in sandra than 1600mhz at 6-7-6-18 (67ns vs 69), and also much higher bandwidth results, so i think this is the way to go.

You appear to be right about the cas 7 though, at this clock anyway - none of the 7-7-7's will go any lower, so i'll see if i can get the precharge delay down a bit and find my 'sweet spot' :up:

[saaya]

lower tras sometimes helps you to get lower trp, thats a trick hipro5 taught me :D
it wont be 100% stable tho, but good enough for benching :)

[jolliffee]

hey jolliffee, good to have you back :D :toast:
hope you had a good time away from hardware for a while hehe :)

it sounds to me like windows poer management is reducing your cpu multiplier to save power, did you adjust the powr management options to always run the cpu at full speed and stop fiddling with the cpu multipliers?

and the other problems you had after flashing the bios happen sometimes, its always best to load optimized defaults after flashing the bios to make sure there is no glitch or some settings is set to a weird value for some reason.


Hi saaya.
The problem is:-
The default BIOS settings, before booting to XP are wrong for the QX9770, maybe others:confused:
I'm not aware of any settings in XP that can be changed to set full power?
The optimised defaults produce worse performance for me with the QX9770

I just find it strange that it is only when I (or why do I have to) disable Frequency unlimit (that turns off C1E) that I can get control of the BIOS that allows me to OC.

I'm just reporting this is what I have on two BlackOps mobo's at default settings.

If you'd like me to check anything just let me know:)

[saaya]

control panel, power options, select a power profile to have the cpu run full speed all the time.
theres even a guide on microsofts website for this, i posted the link in the guides and tweaks subsection :)

qx9770 issues, yes, there are some problems with it since its default 400fsb, we are working on it... sorry for the onconvinience :(

dont understand what problems you have when you disable frequency limit, can you explain it again?
what settings are you running now that give you better perf at stock speed?
thanks :)

[jolliffee]

control panel, power options, select a power profile to have the cpu run full speed all the time.
theres even a guide on microsofts website for this, i posted the link in the guides and tweaks subsection :)
Umm! I don’t have any of these options on any of my 4 desktops running XP:-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/XPDeskTopPowerScheme.jpg

But all my XP laptops do:-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/jolliffee/LaptopPowerScheme.jpg

qx9770 issues, yes, there are some problems with it since its default 400fsb, we are working on it... sorry for the inconvenience :(

Good stuff looking forward to the BIOS update..


dont understand what problems you have when you disable frequency limit, can you explain it again?

I didn’t explain myself very well on this so here goes!
When I set manual OC I also have to disable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.
When I set Manual OC I expect all settings that limit OC’ing to be altered automatically. So I expect frequency limit to be disabled when I set manual OC if I have an extreme CPU like the QX9770.


what settings are you running now that give you better perf at stock speed?
thanks :)

Still working in Switzerland so I’ll post these when I get back home and back to the real world!!:rofl:

[ZoLKoRn]

i just start with mind retails i have problem like as somebody here with FSB and strap, so first i try on G28-bios i have alot of problem with mem-divided :( it don't boot on other divided only boot on 1:2 but i like it for memory freq because it easy for (480MHz FSB)DDR3-1920MHz 8-7-6 or 7-7-7.... well if i need for FSB over 500MHz it not work if change mem-divided

so i switch back to G27-bios and it well work for 5:8 divided at 500FSB (1600MHz memory 7-6-5, or 6-6-6) but after pushing more to about 520FSB i have problem with 54code and continue beep! :shrug:

CPU E8500
Ram G.SKILL 12800C7(GTR), G.SKILL 12800C7(JNL) << both problem

i'll try on mine Bluekit again tomorrow after give back from my friend :shakes:

[Trouffman]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

[Xello]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

Set EIST to "Native" and Frequency Unlimit to "Enable" and you should be ok. If you want to turn off the downclocking, choose "High Performance" under Windows power management.

[broller]

hi sorry to post lare but i was having same probs with qx9770 and what i did was flashed to 27 then 26 and then back to 28 for some reason that has fixed it for now but it was only happening in vista 82999

83000

[jolliffee]

I'm actually testing this G28 bios too !

Strange seems the QX9650 is multiplier locked... strange Or I'm stupid and it's a Q9650...

When I set manual OC I also have to enable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.:confused:
Note: this also turns off C1E Function on my board @ G28

If you have XP: Windows XP power management is a separate setting than Speedstep. Windows XP does not directly control Speedstep. The control over Speedstep and C1E is the BIOS

[SmokeyTheBandit]

The blackops ich9r bios won't support 2tb+ raid partitions.
This was no problem on the dfi x48-t3rs and there both ich9r.
Can't be anything other than bios ;)

So please update i'm getting tired of the "incompatible disk" 20 sec. boot delay :D :up:

[Slovnaft]

I just got this board in last night and could only spend about an hour fiddling before getting frustrated and going to bed.
First, I did the online BIOS update to version P05 i believe. This isn't by and chance the official release version of G28? Would I be better off with G28?
Also, I'm having serious power issues. It either has huuuge vdroop or is severely undervolting. I mean, I set cpu target voltage to 1.4 in BIOS and cpuz reads 0.880 at idle and 0.956 at load! My RAM isn't stable at stock speeds I have to underclock to at least 1200 depending on my oced cpu speed.
I'm chalking most of this up to the hope that there's something about this board that I just have to 'feel' and will eventually understand.
In the mean time, any help? It sounds like G28 might fix some of this?

[negev]

I found G28 to be slightly more stable, however I also had ram problems. Not sure whether its the sticks or the board, but I have to run my Geil memory at 8-8-8-26 2.0v to get 1600MHz stable instead of its rated 7-7-7-24 @ 1.9v.

Geil have told me that the max safe voltage is 2.2v, so I might try upping the vdimm at the weekend to see if I can get the timings tighter but I really can't be bothered at the moment, I'm just happy that everything is stable with a mild overclock of 3.2ghz. Not gonna push much harder until i get h2o.

Play with the board a bit, like everyone says it takes time to get used to it but it is really cool :)

[raptor1]

To lardarse and saaya

just to let you know that there are 2 or 3 people including myself that are having issues with P05

the problems i am having are

1. after powering up from cold after been plugged out all night i get a post code of 54

2. intermittent shutdown and restart loops - would need to clear cmos to get going again

3. post codes varying between 61 - 64

when i was on G27 i never had any of these problems

you can check here for the other users who have tried P05

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198071

i have now reflashed back to G27

i just wanted to let you know about these problems

Best Regards
flanr

[Slovnaft]

I found G28 to be slightly more stable, however I also had ram problems. Not sure whether its the sticks or the board, but I have to run my Geil memory at 8-8-8-26 2.0v to get 1600MHz stable instead of its rated 7-7-7-24 @ 1.9v.

Geil have told me that the max safe voltage is 2.2v, so I might try upping the vdimm at the weekend to see if I can get the timings tighter but I really can't be bothered at the moment, I'm just happy that everything is stable with a mild overclock of 3.2ghz. Not gonna push much harder until i get h2o.

Play with the board a bit, like everyone says it takes time to get used to it but it is really cool :)

greg over at mushkin forums told me that it's probably RAM's PL that's limiting it and fsb. He told me to set all my stock timings with PL9 and that should help get higher fsb.
http://forums.mushkin.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12173

And I hope you're right about this being a 'cool' board, but I'm having trouble finding it 'cool' when I'm running a Q9450 at 3.2ghz that was at 3.8ghz with more room to go the other day.
Sigh...just waiting for nehalem...

[jolliffee]

When I set manual OC I also have to enable frequency limit to allow me to OC the CPU.:confused:
Note: this also turns off C1E Function on my board @ G28

If you have XP: Windows XP power management is a separate setting than Speedstep. Windows XP does not directly control Speedstep. The control over Speedstep and C1E is the BIOS

Windows XP processor control policy using ACPI Policies

Right I've tracked down the situation with XP power management, in typical form it is a little confusing compared to Vista.:(

Select the Power Scheme to be used, and Windows XP matches it with a processor control policy.
Power scheme with AC power
Home/Office Desktop No Power Scheme


Minimal Power Management Adaptive Power Scheme


Always On No Power Scheme


I hope this helps.:D

[negev]

Someone mentioned to me the other day that extra vdimm voltage apparently helps the board get above 400fsb. Will experiment with this idea at the weekend and report.

[LardArse]

hi sorry to post lare but i was having same probs with qx9770 and what i did was flashed to 27 then 26 and then back to 28 for some reason that has fixed it for now but it was only happening in vista 82999

83000

Download the awesome Crystal CPUID for these scenarios
http://crystalmark.info/software/CrystalCPUID/

click Function, then Intel enhanced speedstep control, and select multiplier , like the 11.5x you've set in bios, and its done.

[LardArse]

I just got this board in last night and could only spend about an hour fiddling before getting frustrated and going to bed.
First, I did the online BIOS update to version P05 i believe. This isn't by and chance the official release version of G28? Would I be better off with G28?
Also, I'm having serious power issues. It either has huuuge vdroop or is severely undervolting. I mean, I set cpu target voltage to 1.4 in BIOS and cpuz reads 0.880 at idle and 0.956 at load! My RAM isn't stable at stock speeds I have to underclock to at least 1200 depending on my oced cpu speed.
I'm chalking most of this up to the hope that there's something about this board that I just have to 'feel' and will eventually understand.
In the mean time, any help? It sounds like G28 might fix some of this?

CPUZ reads vcore wrongly for Blackops. G28, maybe you should give it a try.

[LardArse]

To lardarse and saaya

just to let you know that there are 2 or 3 people including myself that are having issues with P05

the problems i am having are

1. after powering up from cold after been plugged out all night i get a post code of 54

2. intermittent shutdown and restart loops - would need to clear cmos to get going again

3. post codes varying between 61 - 64

when i was on G27 i never had any of these problems

you can check here for the other users who have tried P05

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=198071

i have now reflashed back to G27

i just wanted to let you know about these problems

Best Regards
flanr



Thanks hopefully there will be a new P bios out soon.

[LardArse]

I found G28 to be slightly more stable, however I also had ram problems. Not sure whether its the sticks or the board, but I have to run my Geil memory at 8-8-8-26 2.0v to get 1600MHz stable instead of its rated 7-7-7-24 @ 1.9v.

Geil have told me that the max safe voltage is 2.2v, so I might try upping the vdimm at the weekend to see if I can get the timings tighter but I really can't be bothered at the moment, I'm just happy that everything is stable with a mild overclock of 3.2ghz. Not gonna push much harder until i get h2o.

Play with the board a bit, like everyone says it takes time to get used to it but it is really cool :)

perhaps the Performance level is a little tight by default, you can try 7-7-7-24 but performance level set at 7 to 9 levels...