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07-21-2002, 07:02 PM
Well the flash coolers regassed & plumbed in, after a quick garage test it made ice real quick so 1st of all i ran the two exchangers in series expecting some good results but only a couple of degrees down on normal ??? but it still made ice (even at 50/50 water/glycol) ?? Now thinking the heat exchangers where fubar i decided to rip one out (kind of Jess'es idea though) & stick a submersible straight in. Within 5ish minutes i was down to 9C water temps at full load (Seti) and still falling but i was getting condensation all over the Z4, stuck some neoprene in quickly just below the Z4 and only dared run another 5 mins (hit water temp of 6C) and the condensation was too much. I think this has the potential to take water temps well below zero as atm the deep rad is still plumbed (covered in condensation too) so the rad is trying its hardest to raise the water temp back up to ambient and the cpu is pumping a good 100W into the water also. Once i've greased up and applied neoprene everywhere i'll try in anger again (atm i run for 10mins, off for an hour, run for 10mins etc :D) & see what she'll do, its pretty quiet now so once i've gained confidence in it i'll remove the rad and run the flash cooler inline to the Z4. The present setup uses a maxi jet pump in the flash cooler to the block > rad > back to pump / cooler and is 1/2" dropped down to 3/8" so i can measure water temps. The final setup will be all 1/2", no rad & an eheim 1250, & maybe a pelt so sub zero zif temps np :D will post some pics soon :) :bannana:
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some quick pics as it is now (thown together) will post more once complete & tidied up :
the now redundant pump /res combo, the deeps still inline atm though
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller1.jpg
The top of the chiller with lid removed, the 2 black round things at bottom left are 2 agitator pumps, no need for them with a submersible in there so they'll come out and thats where the eheim 1250 will go. The big black thing in the middle is the remaining heat exchanger, the gap below is where the other one was & now where the maxijet pump is, the return line is at the right of the pic and was the old overflow. Originally the two exchangers where used in series but results where poor. There are 3 temp controls one input to each exchanger, they now dangle in air so the cooler will work hard, the other measures bath temp.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller2.jpg
A shadowed front shot of the chiller with one of the exchangers removed, bottom right is the overflow which is now the return from the rad & also the inline temp probe (bottom right)
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller_front.jpg
A picture of the Z4 and condensation after about 10mins running, the zif temp goes below ambient in about 4minutes, ambient presently 28C, water temp 8.1C (after 10min) and the water temp started at 39as the system had been running for a couple of hours at full load with the chiller inline but no fans on the rad. The black below the Z4 and coming outwards is a wedge of neoprene as a quick fix until its greased and neoprenes on properly.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/condensation.jpg
& the water temp after 10min from 39C originally :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/water_temp_10min.jpg
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Plumbed it in with the eheim & left the rad in series to begin with but the condensation on the rad was incredible & dripping quick! so had to remove it. Its now straight from the submersed eheim to the block & then back to the chiller. At full load it gives the following water temps :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/water_temp_1hr.jpg
I've put neoprene & dialectric grease behind the mobo, under the zif, on the zif, on the pins, on the mobo etc but havent done the outside neoprene yet. Creating a fair bit of condensate! :D The Z4 inline :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/direct_to_Z4.jpg
The flash cooler with the other heat exchanger ripped out, the agitator pumps & a couple of panels ripped out. The eheim's submersed on the left, the return from the block goes under the cooler matrix right to the back (on the right hand side).
The overflow pipes an overflow pipe again the other connection pipes have gone. Its all 1/2" now, the 3/8" inline temp probe (T-piece) dangles in the water next to the eheims suction, so its effectively the water temperature going to the block. Will box it all in soon.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller_eheim.jpg
The taskbar showing full load (seti running), the ambient temperature (in black) of 28C (ambient measured by a probe from mobo RT2 a distance out the back of the case) & the Zif temp in red 15C, so 13C below ambient :)
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/toolbar.jpg
Another job to do is lag the pipes on the outside as they are dripping with condensation like mad, this next picture doesnt do it justice. Cant run it with the chiller on & unsupervised until thats done.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/condensation_pipes.jpg
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some quick pics as it is now (thown together) will post more once complete & tidied up :
the now redundant pump /res combo, the deeps still inline atm though
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller1.jpg
The top of the chiller with lid removed, the 2 black round things at bottom left are 2 agitator pumps, no need for them with a submersible in there so they'll come out and thats where the eheim 1250 will go. The big black thing in the middle is the remaining heat exchanger, the gap below is where the other one was & now where the maxijet pump is, the return line is at the right of the pic and was the old overflow. Originally the two exchangers where used in series but results where poor. There are 3 temp controls one input to each exchanger, they now dangle in air so the cooler will work hard, the other measures bath temp.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller2.jpg
A shadowed front shot of the chiller with one of the exchangers removed, bottom right is the overflow which is now the return from the rad & also the inline temp probe (bottom right)
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller_front.jpg
A picture of the Z4 and condensation after about 10mins running, the zif temp goes below ambient in about 4minutes, ambient presently 28C, water temp 8.1C (after 10min) and the water temp started at 39as the system had been running for a couple of hours at full load with the chiller inline but no fans on the rad. The black below the Z4 and coming outwards is a wedge of neoprene as a quick fix until its greased and neoprenes on properly.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/condensation.jpg
& the water temp after 10min from 39C originally :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/water_temp_10min.jpg
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Plumbed it in with the eheim & left the rad in series to begin with but the condensation on the rad was incredible & dripping quick! so had to remove it. Its now straight from the submersed eheim to the block & then back to the chiller. At full load it gives the following water temps :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/water_temp_1hr.jpg
I've put neoprene & dialectric grease behind the mobo, under the zif, on the zif, on the pins, on the mobo etc but havent done the outside neoprene yet. Creating a fair bit of condensate! :D The Z4 inline :
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/direct_to_Z4.jpg
The flash cooler with the other heat exchanger ripped out, the agitator pumps & a couple of panels ripped out. The eheim's submersed on the left, the return from the block goes under the cooler matrix right to the back (on the right hand side).
The overflow pipes an overflow pipe again the other connection pipes have gone. Its all 1/2" now, the 3/8" inline temp probe (T-piece) dangles in the water next to the eheims suction, so its effectively the water temperature going to the block. Will box it all in soon.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/chiller_eheim.jpg
The taskbar showing full load (seti running), the ambient temperature (in black) of 28C (ambient measured by a probe from mobo RT2 a distance out the back of the case) & the Zif temp in red 15C, so 13C below ambient :)
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/toolbar.jpg
Another job to do is lag the pipes on the outside as they are dripping with condensation like mad, this next picture doesnt do it justice. Cant run it with the chiller on & unsupervised until thats done.
http://www.pclincs.co.uk/Images/Misc/condensation_pipes.jpg