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Kinshou Kuma
06-25-2008, 05:46 PM
Does anyone have any info on release date, msrp etc of the avenger ? I would love a BlackOps but at 350 its too much for my blood :(

HDCHOPPER
06-25-2008, 08:17 PM
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9395/quantum_force_avenger_exposed/index.html

whats that between the pcie slots ?

Omastar
06-25-2008, 08:18 PM
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9395/quantum_force_avenger_exposed/index.html

whats that between the pcie slots ?

It's a Crosslinx chip.

HDCHOPPER
06-25-2008, 08:25 PM
thanks !

LardArse
06-25-2008, 09:21 PM
Hi i have not received any dates from PM yet...

Kinshou Kuma
06-26-2008, 03:52 AM
seeing as currently not in a hurry i can wait. Besides my mars board has been chugging along with my q6600 at 3.8ghz with a 475fsb without hiccup :)

i believe the avenger will actually have full 16x on both lanes for crossfire due to that bridge chip correct ? unlike the other p45 boards.

LardArse
06-26-2008, 06:25 AM
seeing as currently not in a hurry i can wait. Besides my mars board has been chugging along with my q6600 at 3.8ghz with a 475fsb without hiccup :)

i believe the avenger will actually have full 16x on both lanes for crossfire due to that bridge chip correct ? unlike the other p45 boards.

yes x16 x16 gen 2.0

x8x8 p45 vs x16x16 p45 =>

3D 06 GT3 1920x1200 FullAA AF
58fps vs 64fps

MotF Bane
06-26-2008, 09:50 AM
The bridge chip doubles the number of available lanes from the northbridge?

LardArse
06-29-2008, 05:06 AM
The bridge chip doubles the number of available lanes from the northbridge?

takes x16 lanes gen 2.0 to output 2x x16 gen 2.0s

mrcape
06-29-2008, 10:04 PM
This board looks hot. With DDR3 / P45, if they can get the FSB going up 600+ like P45/DDR2 and tRD going down to 7 or 8, and with 16x 16x they will have a checkmate.

Harshal
06-29-2008, 11:07 PM
awaiting the release :D

jason4207
07-03-2008, 12:49 PM
This is the board I'm waiting for as well.

Is it DDR2 or DDR3?

saaya
07-03-2008, 09:29 PM
Ddr3 :)

Red Evil
07-10-2008, 08:01 AM
:up:
Any updates on launch date?

saaya
07-10-2008, 10:06 PM
no, sorry, but its close :D

Kinshou Kuma
07-12-2008, 09:10 AM
no, sorry, but its close :D

I hope soon means in a few weeks :)
I just added new sinks to my MARS board.. plan on passing it down to my lil brother when I replace it *crosses fingers n toes*

Logos
07-12-2008, 09:16 AM
It's a Crosslinx chip.

thought Crosslinx was Asus technology...only used on 16 x + 4x lanes to make it be 2 x 8 in CF (concerned P35 chipsets for instance)

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Computex_2007_Day_1_Preview_World_Exclusive_ASUS_C rosslink_MSI_Dual_Radeon_2600Pro_Card_/

may be off topic here: where is the dreadnought ?

Harshal
07-12-2008, 12:28 PM
I really hope this one has a better RAM compatibility then BlackOps.

Chris_redfield
07-14-2008, 01:56 AM
I found the G28 BIOS for the Black Ops to greatly improve memory issues.

My OCZ now runs at rated settings.

WhiteFireDragon
07-14-2008, 02:01 AM
wow the sucky part of that link is that you cant view it if you have an ad blocker :( they said you need to disable ad blockers so they can make money from those ads...

saaya
07-14-2008, 03:05 AM
thought Crosslinx was Asus technology...only used on 16 x + 4x lanes to make it be 2 x 8 in CF (concerned P35 chipsets for instance)

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Computex_2007_Day_1_Preview_World_Exclusive_ASUS_C rosslink_MSI_Dual_Radeon_2600Pro_Card_/

may be off topic here: where is the dreadnought ?crosslinx is just a marketing name, its using a bridge chip to create more pciE lanes or to split them more evenly, thats just what we are doing with avenger :D


I really hope this one has a better RAM compatibility then BlackOps.should be much better than the blackops when it launched :D

Kinshou Kuma
07-25-2008, 09:22 AM
Any updates in regards to release date ?
am dying here !! I now have two 4870s that dont play nice on my MARS board. I got my maximus se back from rma but dont want to use it... must hold out ...arrrghhh

saaya
07-25-2008, 06:44 PM
its very close now, just finishing up the bios and packaging :)
the plx chips gives a 7% boost in 3dmark vantage, and thats only at 1280x1024 :D

hiwa
07-26-2008, 12:03 PM
can't wait please update here
for europe i think need more more more days :shakes::shakes:

jason4207
07-27-2008, 08:34 AM
Anybody know what the street price will be in the US?

philbrown23
07-27-2008, 10:23 AM
OMFG I am buying this motherboard! it'll be my first foxconn but it looks so sick! I was going to get the asus p5Q3 but this looks so much better!

HDCHOPPER
07-27-2008, 01:54 PM
ahhh another convert :D

in the last 10 years building comps for customers been using foxconn mainly thier bullet proof just takes a little work to git em to do your bidding where others fall short :up:

cheap customers get ecs :rofl:

jason4207
08-06-2008, 05:28 PM
Any updates on a release date?

My E0 45nm quad is screaming for this board!

Nosfer@tu
08-07-2008, 01:09 AM
When Can I Order :d

And Where :d

Loony
08-14-2008, 04:24 PM
Any new updates on anything? I'm kinda excited about this board. :cool:

ReverendMaynard
08-14-2008, 05:58 PM
availability dates are only as good as the availability. My guess, we'll see none in Canada, just like the Ops :(

jason4207
08-23-2008, 04:39 PM
its very close now, just finishing up the bios and packaging :)
the plx chips gives a 7% boost in 3dmark vantage, and thats only at 1280x1024 :D

So, is this coming out after the gaming convention?

Very close? It's been a month. ;)

jason4207
09-05-2008, 12:37 PM
So, what's the scoop? Is this board coming out, or is it going to vapor-ware purgatory?

i7 isn't that far off...

philbrown23
09-05-2008, 01:04 PM
good question, I couldnt wait and bought the biostar, if foxconn keeps puytting it off, they wont sell many at all.

@rne
09-05-2008, 01:12 PM
same question here:confused:
waited a long time since the first pictures of tweaktown. any news?

Nosfer@tu
09-08-2008, 11:30 PM
We Want Newz :d

saaya
09-09-2008, 12:50 AM
i have a pile of samples here, going out this week :D

SF3D
09-09-2008, 01:56 AM
Can't wait :D

jason4207
09-09-2008, 04:35 AM
Send me 1!

Slovnaft
09-10-2008, 08:10 AM
I have a feeling foxconn has to win back many hearts with this board, blackops didn't seem to quite live up to its hype for most.
hopefully it won't go the way of dreadnought? It's taking long enough.

zanzabar
09-11-2008, 10:29 AM
have u guys seen this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186153

it looks like an avenger (or non ops version) to me

SF3D
09-11-2008, 10:35 AM
have u guys seen this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186153

it looks like an avenger (or non ops version) to me

That is P45 Digital Life series motherboard.

Digital Life is the mainstream motherboard, so it's not purely targeted to overclockers.

ReverendMaynard
09-11-2008, 12:21 PM
Well, they need to target someone I guess lol. I couldn't wait and got this pos P5Q-e that is probably the worst board I've ever owned. I need the Avenger asap, before I loose interest.

SNiiPE_DoGG
09-11-2008, 08:59 PM
That is P45 Digital Life series motherboard.

Digital Life is the mainstream motherboard, so it's not purely targeted to overclockers.

8-phase digital pwm, 16 x 16 crossfire


definitely NOT an overclocking board :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Harshal
09-12-2008, 12:09 AM
Where my board now??? :p:

yiancar
09-12-2008, 09:05 AM
me want one :D

hiwa
09-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Can't wait :D

:up: waiting for your review man
when it's available to buy i think we have to update our Spi 1m WR with this monster and have a nice times @ 3dmark benchmark ;)

Solarfall
09-12-2008, 01:18 PM
Can't wait :D

hhehehe maybe i can buy that board from you when your done with it like i so oftenly do :rofl:

SF3D
09-12-2008, 02:38 PM
hhehehe maybe i can buy that board from you when your done with it like i so oftenly do :rofl:

Yeah, but like you know, I can only sell you the boards which I buy with my own money ;)

Solarfall
09-13-2008, 12:48 AM
Yeah, but like you know, I can only sell you the boards which I buy with my own money ;)

yeah i know.. . :D lol im such a scavenger of your old gear

boblemagnifique
09-14-2008, 08:14 AM
Hum Hum P45 Foxconn , interessing :D

jason4207
09-24-2008, 12:19 PM
Bump for an update!

Catz
10-01-2008, 12:16 AM
may be off topic here: where is the dreadnought ?

Canceled, got to hot according to Maurice at Foxconn Netherlands.


@ Avenger: I need one, seriously! It would make an great addition to my collection of 1 mars and 2 black ops motherboards :p:

EDIT: Did anyone notice this at the quantum-force website: http://www.quantum-force.net/Products/P000000006/ ?? :D

* Based on the Intel® P45 chipset with ICH10R southbridge
* Supports latest Intel 45nm processors up to FSB1600MHz
* Supports CrossFireX™ with 2* x16 bandwidth
* Dual Channel DDR3 2000(oc)MHz
* 8 phase Digital PWM provides more robust power delivery, standing up to the demands of enthusiasts and overclockers
* 2 phase Memory Power for higher clock speeds and greater stability
* Bundled QF Panel for quick & easy overclocking from case-mounted 5 1/4" drive bay device (optional)
* Quantum BIOS for unrivalled fine-tuning and OC operation
* SONAR Audio – 7.1 channel HDA daughter card with 106db SNR
* Twin BIOS enables easy re-flashing and guards against BIOS loss
* 100% SOLID Capacitor design and Ferrite Choke power delivery ensure a stable basis for overclocking and increased reliability
* Quantum Flow and Quantum Lap unique accessories

CPU Optimized for Interl® 45nm processors,Intel®Core™2 Extreme,Core™2 Quad,Core™2 Duo
Chipset Interl® P45 & ICH10R
FSB 1600/1333/1066/800 MHZ
Memory Dual DDR3 2000(oc)/1600/1333/800MHZ,4*DIMMs,8GB Max
Storage RAID,Intel® MST,6*SATALL,2*eSATA,2*1394a,12*USB2.0,1*ATA133
Slots 2*PCle2.0x16,3*PCle2.0x1,2*PCl slots
Network Dual Gigabit LAN
Audio SONAR Audio Card(7.1 High Definition Audio)

I NEED ONE! No doubt about it! Shamino read your inbox please :D

Nosfer@tu
10-01-2008, 12:56 AM
Where Is It :d

Slovnaft
10-01-2008, 04:26 AM
It really says 2x16 crossfire?
Wouldn't that be pretty much the only P45 board with that kind of pcie bandwidth?
could be as viable a 3d benching board as RE...
if it's ever released...
personally with i7 this close it's probably gone the way of dreadnought.

Catz
10-01-2008, 05:24 AM
It really says 2x16 crossfire?
Wouldn't that be pretty much the only P45 board with that kind of pcie bandwidth?
could be as viable a 3d benching board as RE...
if it's ever released...
personally with i7 this close it's probably gone the way of dreadnought.

I'd kill them! P45 + REAL x16 x 2 ... GOLDEN!

I need one for sure!

MusicIsMyLife
10-01-2008, 06:16 AM
I need one for sure!

I have a sample. :D

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l01.jpg

It´s not a retail-board but it looks nearly finished.

2x PCIe x16 is possible due to a additional plx-chip.

I was able to pull out 570 fsb on G|C in Germany a few weeks ago without tweaking - just using my BlackOPS-settings with this particular cpu. Since the bios I used was from 08/05/08 I think there are more improvements with newer versions.

Slovnaft
10-01-2008, 06:23 AM
looks great if it ever makes it to retail.
granted, i'll probably be investing in i7 instead.
unless...you're planning on maybe parting with that there sample...

Catz
10-01-2008, 07:22 AM
I have a sample. :D

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l01.jpg

It´s not a retail-board but it looks nearly finished.

2x PCIe x16 is possible due to a additional plx-chip.

I was able to pull out 570 fsb on G|C in Germany a few weeks ago without tweaking - just using my BlackOPS-settings with this particular cpu. Since the bios I used was from 08/05/08 I think there are more improvements with newer versions.

Who did you contact for that bord? :)

MusicIsMyLife
10-01-2008, 08:24 AM
Who did you contact for that bord? :)

To be honest I didn´t contact anybody.

Saaya invited me to visit (and bench) on Foxconn booth on Games Convention in germany. I visited him and had a great time. There I had the opportunity to play with this early sample of Avenger. :yepp:

When G|C was over I had a hard fight with saaya. I won and I took the sample with me. :D

I had a bios from 08/05/08 and we got some problems with 2x 2gb of ocz-memory. This version don´t work with 4870x2 in cfx-mode, too. Today saaya send me a new bios version so we can test again (and more).

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-01-2008, 08:52 AM
Its coming! :woot:


I can't wait, I'm getting one asap when it comes out :D

hiwa
10-01-2008, 10:38 AM
just tell us if can go over 640 fsb ;););)

Catz
10-02-2008, 01:52 AM
It's P45... and quantum-force....

I'd be a little disappointed if it didn't :down:

Thanks for the email saaya :up:

MusicIsMyLife
10-02-2008, 02:15 AM
just tell us if can go over 640 fsb ;););)

With the bios I used until yesterday there was no way. But I think that was due to memory limitations (ocz 2x 2gb). Saaya told me that they reached 600 fsb in the labs long before I got this sample.

With the new bios and good memory we will re-test again in a few days. I think there is much more possible than 570. ;)

Saaya gave me the permission to share my pictures, so here we go:

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l01.jpg

This one you already know.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l02.jpg

A closer look at the upper right of Avenger.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l03.jpg

A closer look at the upper left. Northbridge, cpu and pll are placed as near as possible to each other.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l04.jpg

The additional plx-chip is located between both pcie x16-slots.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l05.jpg

On the left of the southbridge-cooler you can see both bios-chips Avenger is featured with. Speaker and debug-led is also located on the lower right.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l06.jpg

Sys-fan, firewire and additional usb-ports are located under pci-slot.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l07.jpg

Retail-boards will have power-, reset- and cmos-clear-button onboard. My early sample doesn´t have so the screwdriver is my best friend. :D



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l08.jpg

Southbridge-cooler is equipped with qf-logo. On the left side: jmb363.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l09.jpg

Fsbsel-jumper is already known from BlackOPS. Pll is ICS9LPRS919HKL. Upping fsb with setFSB is no problem.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l10.jpg

Avenger is featured with 8-phase digital pwm.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l11.jpg

Both network-devices are made by broadcom. Firewire comes with Texas Instruments TSB43AB22A.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l12.jpg

Sata and ide-ports have a 90°-angle.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l13.jpg

Northbridge-cooler isn´t the biggest one but it´s massive copper. No heat problems so far.



http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/l14.jpg

Last but not least a short look on I/O-panel.



I hope you can get some first impressions about this motherboard. :)

Catz
10-02-2008, 02:25 AM
It looks sweet :D

I do wonder why they went for a 8 phase instead of 16.... This could also be my in-experience ofcourse but it would give better stability right?

MusicIsMyLife
10-02-2008, 02:46 AM
I do wonder why they went for a 8 phase instead of 16.... This could also be my in-experience ofcourse but it would give better stability right?

Spoken generally, the higher the number of phases the better. But you can do lots of things wrong designing and building a 16 phase-pwm and on the other side you can do lots of things right designing and building a 8 phase-pwm.

So if it is designed well (and I think so) you don´t need 16 phases.

Slovnaft
10-02-2008, 04:43 AM
personally i applaude that foxconn has stuck with high quality 8 phase pwm rather than ASUS who, imo, jumped into the 16 phase game too early and used :banana::banana::banana::banana:e design like their P5Q3 which was just 2x8 analogue. imo '16 phase' is more of a buzz phrase.

Harshal
10-02-2008, 05:11 AM
MIML, thanks for sharing pics!! neat board.. looking forward to this one ;) I would want 625~640 3D benchable.. but then again higher will not hurt!! ;)

PS: Saaya my friend!!! :D

systemviper
10-02-2008, 05:24 AM
wow, that looks sweet, damn, another motherboard, but gotta try it out, hopefully soon...

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-02-2008, 08:11 AM
I was hoping for a blackops waterblock at retail but it is OK that this is not there, mips just released a Foxconn PWM wb :D.

Interesting that the ELA, the ddr2 variant of this board, features 3x PCI-e slots with the ability to do 8x8x8 CF (first of its kind) but the avenger doesn't do this?

I don't mind just using vmodded CF :yepp: but I kinda like the idea of playing with a new video setup :D

Catz
10-02-2008, 09:29 AM
Spoken generally, the higher the number of phases the better. But you can do lots of things wrong designing and building a 16 phase-pwm and on the other side you can do lots of things right designing and building a 8 phase-pwm.

So if it is designed well (and I think so) you don´t need 16 phases.

Yeah i guess you are correct about that.

talking about asus.. i don't like their entire p5q line.. they are not made for extreme overclocking.... i had problem with dice.. it looked like a coldbug but the cpu never gave any problems on other motherboards but somehow the asus board wouldn't start up under -40 :down:

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-02-2008, 09:38 AM
you guys are all forgetting that this is 8-phase digital compared to 16-phase analog. digital have square waveforms and analog have sinusoidal, digital is more accurate and more stable. Digital can handle more current, better for those b3 quads on LN2 :ROTF: but seriously though it is still nice to have. Lastly digital refreshes more frequently to keep a steadier voltage.

Catz
10-02-2008, 10:03 AM
you guys are all forgetting that this is 8-phase digital compared to 16-phase analog. digital have square waveforms and analog have sinusoidal, digital is more accurate and more stable. Digital can handle more current, better for those b3 quads on LN2 :ROTF: but seriously though it is still nice to have. Lastly digital refreshes more frequently to keep a steadier voltage.

I rather have 8phase digital then.

There is something about those squares that floats my boat :shocked:

Kinshou Kuma
10-02-2008, 05:25 PM
It really exists !!! My mars board has been holding up well though so i cant complain. ran a Maximus flashed with a Rampage bios but it didn't OC as well. Go figure.. MARS went back in lol when is this board being released or who can i bribe to get one :p

LardArse
10-02-2008, 05:43 PM
I rather have 8phase digital then.

There is something about those squares that floats my boat :shocked:

Volterra's solution is amazing for it's package size, mm for mm it gives the highest tolerance around. Take a look at the VT1195 Slave MOSFETs...

http://b.imagehost.org/0517/voltea.jpg

Peak of 47amps per mosfet, 40 amps continous easy :D

You have 320amps there, inductor does about 35amps each, so worse case scenario you have 280 amps...
Even if you run 1.9v you could have 532watts of power delivery if your cpu is still running :D

if it's just not so expensive...

saaya
10-02-2008, 07:05 PM
Interesting that the ELA, the ddr2 variant of this board, features 3x PCI-e slots with the ability to do 8x8x8 CF (first of its kind) but the avenger doesn't do this?its a different way of splitting the lanes :)

ELA can do:
16
8/8
8/8/8

Avenger can do:
16
16/16

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-02-2008, 07:08 PM
its a different way of splitting the lanes :)

ELA can do:
16
8/8
8/8/8

Avenger can do:
16
16/16
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_ELA.htm

on the ELA webpage it states it is capable of 16x16 crossfire, you should probably fix that

this link, in the large window: scroll to the heading "CrossFireX™ support with PCIe2.0"

it shows dual 16x bandwith with 2 cards

zanzabar
10-02-2008, 07:14 PM
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_ELA.htm

on the ELA webpage it states it is capable of 16x16 crossfire, you should probably fix that

this link, in the large window: scroll to the heading "CrossFireX™ support with PCIe2.0"

it shows dual 16x bandwith with 2 cards

+1 i was telling people it did 16x16 so it was the best p45 since that + digital pwms

jason4207
10-02-2008, 07:37 PM
+1 i was telling people it did 16x16 so it was the best p45 since that + digital pwms

The Avenger has true dual x16. The ELA (a different board) goes into x8 mode when more than 1 card is inserted, but it can hold 3 cards at x8.

I got the impression from your post you were mixing up the Avenger and the ELA. If I'm mistaken then I apologize.

;)








http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Produc.../index_ELA.htm

on the ELA webpage it states it is capable of 16x16 crossfire, you should probably fix that

this link, in the large window: scroll to the heading "CrossFireX™ support with PCIe2.0"

it shows dual 16x bandwith with 2 cards



They either just fixed it or you read it wrong:



3 * PCIe 2.0 x16 with integrated IDT PCIe switch
provides ATI CrossFireX™ support with 3 slots x8
bandwidth.

Edit: Nevermind...I see what your talking about now.

saaya
10-02-2008, 07:48 PM
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_ELA.htm

on the ELA webpage it states it is capable of 16x16 crossfire, you should probably fix that

this link, in the large window: scroll to the heading "CrossFireX™ support with PCIe2.0"

it shows dual 16x bandwith with 2 cards
where does it say that? :confused:

you mean this?


3 * PCIe 2.0 x16 with integrated IDT PCIe switch
provides ATI CrossFireX™ support with 3 slots x8
bandwidth.
they mean 3* pciE 16x slots, the gen 2.0 in there is confusing...
but it clearly says 3 card support with 8x8x8x

ill check if they can make it more clear :)

jason4207
10-02-2008, 07:52 PM
where does it say that? :confused:

you mean this?

they mean 3* pciE 16x slots, the gen 2.0 in there makes it easy to misunderstand i guess... ill ask them to fix it :)

Here's what he's talking about:

saaya
10-02-2008, 08:21 PM
wow... thats definately wrong... i checked with the engineer of this board and it def cant do 16/16 ...

zanzabar
10-02-2008, 08:30 PM
that pic is what i was recommending it on, if it cant do it then its defiantly not on the general user list at its price of $240


i would have figured that u saw that we were saying that on the forum/this thread sooner i hope no1 bought that for the 16x16 xfire

the amd one has a similar image can it do that it says 16x16 or 8x8x8x8
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/index_A79A-S.htm
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/Product/Motherboard/Digitallife08/images/ATIGaming.gif

saaya
10-02-2008, 08:36 PM
well the amd one CAN do 16/16 or 8/8/8/8 :D

i dont know why they made this presentation... i guess the same person made the one for the amd board and then mixed things up...
I already fired off and email and it should get fixed asap. sorry if this caused any trouble :S

the ELA is def a nice board for tripple xfire, be aware that its not a board meant for overclockers though! :D

zanzabar
10-02-2008, 08:38 PM
how high of a fsb dose it do, it has to preform with the digital pwms better than the normal p45 boards and should love the quads

MusicIsMyLife
10-03-2008, 03:26 AM
MIML, thanks for sharing pics!!

Not at all. :)

Some quick tests with new bios. Cpu watercooled, nb stock cooled. Voltages are on an evereyday-level. Click for larger versions.

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/am3_600fsb_s.jpg (http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/am3_600fsb_l.jpg)

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/prime_595fsb_s.jpg (http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/prime_595fsb_l.jpg)

New bios 832f1p03 brought major improvements. My teammate Hoschi (he currently has this board in his hands for testing, I´m busy with other things) told me, that he could do ~540 fsb with 2x 2gb with old bios. Now he can do up to ~570 with 4x 2gb!!

When I tested BlackOPS, I gained 30 mhz fsb and one performance level when changing cpu-cooling from air to cascade with exact same bios-settings. On Games Convention Avenger acted exactly the same when changing from boxed air to ln2 (-120 degrees). I hope that this board will act the same with new bios so ~625 to 630 fsb should be easy possible for 3d. If so, we can expect ~625 to 630 fsb with pl9.

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-03-2008, 07:42 AM
:woot: this is great news!

I know that when I get my avenger I will be pushing it up to 550-560 fsb on water (these q9650's have been doing 5ghz on air in case you missed the memo ;)) and then I will be headed into LN2 when my pot gets off the Lathe

saaya
10-06-2008, 03:28 AM
Not at all. :)

Some quick tests with new bios. Cpu watercooled, nb stock cooled. Voltages are on an evereyday-level. Click for larger versions.

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/am3_600fsb_s.jpg (http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/am3_600fsb_l.jpg)

http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/prime_595fsb_s.jpg (http://www.benchbrothers.de/bilder/artikel/foxconn_avenger/prime_595fsb_l.jpg)

New bios 832f1p03 brought major improvements. My teammate Hoschi (he currently has this board in his hands for testing, I´m busy with other things) told me, that he could do ~540 fsb with 2x 2gb with old bios. Now he can do up to ~570 with 4x 2gb!!

When I tested BlackOPS, I gained 30 mhz fsb and one performance level when changing cpu-cooling from air to cascade with exact same bios-settings. On Games Convention Avenger acted exactly the same when changing from boxed air to ln2 (-120 degrees). I hope that this board will act the same with new bios so ~625 to 630 fsb should be easy possible for 3d. If so, we can expect ~625 to 630 fsb with pl9.
mmhhh! very nice!!! :toast:
ill ask them to tweak for lower PL tho, pl9 is too high for my taste :P :D
what was the max fsb for pl8? did you check?
what chipset volts did you try?
did the chipset get hot?

:woot: this is great news!

I know that when I get my avenger I will be pushing it up to 550-560 fsb on water (these q9650's have been doing 5ghz on air in case you missed the memo ;)) and then I will be headed into LN2 when my pot gets off the Lathesounds good, whats the ETA? :D

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-06-2008, 04:44 AM
saaya your killin me here! lol I even have my ddr3 kit picked out and everything. Tomorrow is my birthday, so maybe my birthday present is the avenger release ???? :D

Catz
10-06-2008, 06:07 AM
saaya your killin me here! lol I even have my ddr3 kit picked out and everything. Tomorrow is my birthday, so maybe my birthday present is the avenger release ???? :D

If that's the way to go, i'd be the first one to get a fsb record with a E8600 if i had an avenger :D

MusicIsMyLife
10-06-2008, 08:23 AM
what was the max fsb for pl8? did you check?

Hoschi told me that he could go up to ~540 with pl8 for benching.

He also tried lower pl at 600 fsb but it wasn´t very stable.



what chipset volts did you try?

Up to 1.5 volts. Only a 120mm fan is blowing on the northbridge cooler.




did the chipset get hot?

Not really. Everything in 24/7-range.

philbrown23
10-06-2008, 09:21 AM
where can one buy this "avenger"?

zanzabar
10-06-2008, 02:13 PM
where can one buy this "avenger"?

future new egg in 2 years:D

saaya
10-07-2008, 02:44 AM
saaya your killin me here! lol I even have my ddr3 kit picked out and everything. Tomorrow is my birthday, so maybe my birthday present is the avenger release ???? :D
i doubt it... but i should finally have samples here this week according to the latest news :D


Hoschi told me that he could go up to ~540 with pl8 for benching.

He also tried lower pl at 600 fsb but it wasn´t very stable.

Up to 1.5 volts. Only a 120mm fan is blowing on the northbridge cooler.

Not really. Everything in 24/7-range.
hmmmm i think a bigger heatsink will def help though... too bad theres no waterblock on that board, im surprised the guys here decided against that (was before i joined foxconn)


future new egg in 2 years:Dmake that weeks and cross your fingers and it might actually happen :D

Catz
10-07-2008, 03:57 AM
make that weeks and cross your fingers and it might actually happen :D

Crosses fingers :hrhr:

I think i'll pick up some nice A-Data DDR3 next week :up:

Gendo
10-26-2008, 06:26 PM
It's about time this board came out. I want a new toy!:p: Any word on when it'll come out? Saaya help us needy people!:rofl:

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-26-2008, 06:33 PM
It's about time this board came out. I want a new toy!:p: Any word on when it'll come out? Saaya help us needy people!:rofl:

I just spent 350 bucks on ram for this board.... it better be released!!!! ;)

hiwa
10-27-2008, 12:08 PM
I just spent 350 bucks on ram for this board.... it better be released!!!! ;)

can u please try sp1m with normal setup @4ghz?

what is max benchable fsb?
thanks

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-27-2008, 12:13 PM
can u please try sp1m with normal setup @4ghz?

what is max benchable fsb?
thanks

:\ I dont have the board yet, I am just waiting on it so I can use this ballin ram

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-28-2008, 10:51 PM
saaya, pleas update us, is the avenger actually coming out???? I am about to start production on the FC waterblock and I do not want to was money and time making something for a board that wont ever be released :( :( :(

jason4207
10-29-2008, 09:02 AM
Bump for an update!

Slovnaft
10-29-2008, 09:30 AM
Not gonna happen. Gone the way of Dreadnought =(

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-29-2008, 12:39 PM
Not gonna happen. Gone the way of Dreadnought =(

I dont think you know this for sure, hopefully saaya can update us soon :wth:

Catz
10-30-2008, 04:46 AM
He'd better...... :(

If they canceled i think they made a big mistake. This board could become what the E8600 was for the 755 socket processors. The last product but also the best.

It has so much potential and i doubt more then 20% is gonna go Nehalem within the next 1/2 year. The other 80% wants to get the most out of their current hardware (like me) and this board would be perfect for it!

Saaya please tell us it's still coming out?

Slovnaft
10-30-2008, 04:52 AM
I dont think you know this for sure, hopefully saaya can update us soon :wth:

OH i definitely don't know this for sure.
I'm just saying. It's shaping up to be the same scenario.

And even if it was released, I'm really not sure how much it could compete with current P45 offerings. I mean, Gigabyte's kindof brought down the sky with UD3P. Thenagain, maybe the 16x16 xfire would make it competitive. Who knows. But it would need to work some fsb magic to compete.

Catz
10-30-2008, 06:28 AM
OH i definitely don't know this for sure.
I'm just saying. It's shaping up to be the same scenario.

And even if it was released, I'm really not sure how much it could compete with current P45 offerings. I mean, Gigabyte's kindof brought down the sky with UD3P. Thenagain, maybe the 16x16 xfire would make it competitive. Who knows. But it would need to work some fsb magic to compete.

In theory it would be a fsb killer. If that becomes reality + 16 x 16 there is no other board i'd like to own.

naokaji
10-30-2008, 06:43 AM
OH i definitely don't know this for sure.
I'm just saying. It's shaping up to be the same scenario.

And even if it was released, I'm really not sure how much it could compete with current P45 offerings. I mean, Gigabyte's kindof brought down the sky with UD3P. Thenagain, maybe the 16x16 xfire would make it competitive. Who knows. But it would need to work some fsb magic to compete.

I do hope the Avenger will eventually get released, s775 is far from dead yet, it still got atlest another year to live, but yes, the competition is brutal. As for 2x 16 pci-e, dont forget that x38 / x48 boards are constantly dropping in price.

SNiiPE_DoGG
10-30-2008, 06:45 AM
I do hope the Avenger will eventually get released, s775 is far from dead yet, it still got atlest another year to live, but yes, the competition is brutal. As for 2x 16 pci-e, dont forget that x38 / x48 boards are constantly dropping in price.

and dont forget that x38/x48 cant clock quads worth a :banana::banana::banana::banana:...:shakes:

jason4207
10-30-2008, 09:39 AM
Where are you, Avenger!!!!!

hiwa
10-31-2008, 08:41 AM
Where are you, Avenger!!!!!

no way to have it soon :( i think we have to go and look other mobo's:shrug:

Gendo
10-31-2008, 10:50 AM
I agree with Hiwa. Because the Avenger still hasn't been released and my blackops died I've ordered a REX, which probably is better than the Avenger anyhow:p: I'm quite disappointed though:(

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-02-2008, 06:49 PM
here is a block I designed for the avenger, hope you like. If enough you want one I can comission someone for a production run

here is the ss, obviously it has no top yet, but that is easy. you can see the circles where the inlet/outlet will be.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7756/fcwb2gw6.jpg

top view...
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2667/wbfc1nv6.jpg

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-03-2008, 01:40 PM
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=6357&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP%20UT&SITE=US

If the avenger doesnt come out soon I'm gonna have to buy this DFI board. dont make me do it! :p:

Catz
11-04-2008, 10:38 AM
Where's SAAYA? :(

yiancar
11-04-2008, 06:38 PM
last time i sent him a pm he told me that he dosnt have time to sit on the pc :D

Slovnaft
11-04-2008, 07:55 PM
http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=6357&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP%20UT&SITE=US

If the avenger doesnt come out soon I'm gonna have to buy this DFI board. dont make me do it! :p:

idk, given dfi's performance with jr, that may well be a great board.
hopefully it'll get some attention from underneath the core i7 tsunami.

MusicIsMyLife
11-04-2008, 11:28 PM
A few days ago 2nd AOCM (official review, german (http://www.awardfabrik.de/sonstiges/2.-aocm-bilder-daten-fakten.html)) took place. Our benchmarking-team was there to compete in the contest "fastest Aquamark3-run extremecooled".

A few hours before the contest started we played again with Foxconn Avenger, this time under ln2. We were able to benchmark up to 620x10 with pl9 without much effort. Unfortunately we couldn´t reach higher clocks but it looks like it was the cpu (it was never tested before under cold).

Avenger worked very well and was very stable. VDroop-control worked great. But there is one major issue with this board: Memory clock. Like with BlackOPS different memory dividers only work up to a certain fsb. We had to downclock memory every time when we reached ~850 mhz (ddr3-1700). There was no way for us to run higher speeds.

I already talked to saaya about this.

Here (http://www.benchbrothers.de/forum/thread.php?threadid=78&sid=) you can read a short story about 2nd AOCM (in german).

Utnorris
11-09-2008, 07:28 PM
Here is a preview on the board.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/11/08/preview-foxconn-avenger-not-another-p45-board.html

Slovnaft
11-12-2008, 05:48 AM
hm, guess i might end up eating my words on this.
wouldn't be the first time =]

Gendo
11-12-2008, 07:36 AM
Even if it does come out...they still took way too long imo.

Maybe a lesson for next time: don't announce a board if you can't launch it within 3 months:p:

Besides, they better focus their attention on x58. There's so many p45 boards out there and everybody who wanted one already has one so this wont sell much anyway.

Jor3lBR
11-13-2008, 11:15 AM
SniiPe_Dog put me in here nice board but the fact that it's DDR3 only is not gonna work for me :down:

I wonder whats the real loss from CFx8x8 vs CFx16x16?

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-13-2008, 11:28 AM
SniiPe_Dog put me in here nice board but the fact that it's DDR3 only is not gonna work for me :down:

I wonder whats the real loss from CFx8x8 vs CFx16x16?

with 3870's its minimal, but with newer cards and high res it gets more and more noticeable.

Good ddr3 can be had for cheap, we are overclockers you know ;)

Micron D9GTS crucial can surely get 1600 cas 7 with 1.7-1.8v :yepp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148150

$100 for 2x2gb :up:

Jor3lBR
11-13-2008, 02:45 PM
with 3870's its minimal, but with newer cards and high res it gets more and more noticeable.

Good ddr3 can be had for cheap, we are overclockers you know ;)

Micron D9GTS crucial can surely get 1600 cas 7 with 1.7-1.8v :yepp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148150

$100 for 2x2gb :up:

I hear ya Sniipe, wonder what to do with my $$$ G.Skills 9600Pi do.

I'll keep an eye on this board and see what should I do :shrug:


How about this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136060

Thinks it's 2 x16 too.

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-13-2008, 02:51 PM
I hear ya Sniipe, wonder what to do with my $$$ G.Skills 9600Pi do.

I'll keep an eye on this board and see what should I do :shrug:

waiting is always ok, just dont go running off and getting an EP45 UD3P yet :p:

Jor3lBR
11-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Why on the reviews it mentions the board as DDR2?

"Foxconn plans to release a motherboard based on the mainstream Intel P45 chipset - Foxconn Avenger. The board has an LGA775 socket turned 90 degree making room for the northbridge that is placed between the socker and DDR2 memory slot."

"It supports DDR2. Some info on how it manages dual x16:

The PLX chip is the same one AMD uses on the HD 4870 X2, where it does dual-GPU + GPU peer-to-peer switching:"

"Foxconn claims to have made several changes to the basic design of a motherboard, by pushing the northbridge closer to the DDR2 memory slots (reportedly to cut latencies), and the inclusion of a supplementary PCI-Express switch, to provide dual PCI-Express x16 connections for ATI Crossfire: something not possible with P45 motherboards. The switch chip is made by PLX, and is similar to the one used by AMD on its flagship Radeon HD 4870 X2 graphics card."

Jor3lBR
11-13-2008, 07:05 PM
Lol you can buy it already:

http://www.ozdirect.com/product_info.php?source=myshopping&osadcampaign=myshopping&products_id=69162

jason4207
11-14-2008, 06:12 AM
How about this one: DFI BI P45-T2RS (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136060)

Thinks it's 2 x16 too.

Nope. Its x16 or x8/x8 like the rest of P45.



The Avenger is the ONLY P45 w/ dual x16 lanes.

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-14-2008, 08:01 AM
Why on the reviews it mentions the board as DDR2?

"Foxconn plans to release a motherboard based on the mainstream Intel P45 chipset - Foxconn Avenger. The board has an LGA775 socket turned 90 degree making room for the northbridge that is placed between the socker and DDR2 memory slot."

"It supports DDR2. Some info on how it manages dual x16:

The PLX chip is the same one AMD uses on the HD 4870 X2, where it does dual-GPU + GPU peer-to-peer switching:"

"Foxconn claims to have made several changes to the basic design of a motherboard, by pushing the northbridge closer to the DDR2 memory slots (reportedly to cut latencies), and the inclusion of a supplementary PCI-Express switch, to provide dual PCI-Express x16 connections for ATI Crossfire: something not possible with P45 motherboards. The switch chip is made by PLX, and is similar to the one used by AMD on its flagship Radeon HD 4870 X2 graphics card."

because EXPreview is retarded and confused themselves with the pics foxconn gave them :ROTF: :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Gendo
11-14-2008, 03:14 PM
Edit: I misread something:p:

Don't talk about other boards in the Avenger thread, it confuses people that just worked for 12 hours without any breaks:p:

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-14-2008, 03:15 PM
Have you been living under a rock?:p: The avenger will have 2x16, that's what's so special about it. Just look it up with google

he was talking about the board he quoted from the other guy, which does not have 16x16

I scour the internet every day looking for this board, I cant WAIT!

Jor3lBR
11-14-2008, 03:38 PM
he was talking about the board he quoted from the other guy, which does not have 16x16

I scour the internet every day looking for this board, I cant WAIT!

I posted the link here already, it's on sale ;)

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-14-2008, 03:40 PM
I posted the link here already, it's on sale ;)

that site doesn't work for me.....


EDIT: yes it works, what I am more excited about is the release date!

November 20, 2008 !!!!!!!!!!!! :woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

Jor3lBR
11-14-2008, 03:42 PM
that site doesn't work for me.....

What you mean, link is broken or it's because it's in another side of the world?

US$300 Buy Avenger (http://www.ozdirect.com/product_info.php?source=myshopping&osadcampaign=myshopping&products_id=69162)

NEW! Foxconn AVENGER LGA775 ATX MB Intel P45+ICH
Recommended Retail Price $570.00AUD Ozdirect
Discount
Ozdirect.com™ Price $468.00AUD
inc GST 17%

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-14-2008, 03:43 PM
What you mean, link is broken or it's because it's in another side of the world?

Buy Avenger (http://www.ozdirect.com/product_info.php?source=myshopping&osadcampaign=myshopping&products_id=69162)

NEW! Foxconn AVENGER LGA775 ATX MB Intel P45+ICH
Recommended Retail Price $570.00AUD Ozdirect
Discount
Ozdirect.com™ Price $468.00AUD
inc GST 17%

earlier it gave me a "server overloaded message"

also 468 AUD = 302.717 USD and considering things in aus are overpriced by exchange, I think <280 is a real possibility for this board :up:

Jor3lBR
11-14-2008, 04:04 PM
earlier it gave me a "server overloaded message"

also 468 AUD = 302.717 USD and considering things in aus are overpriced by exchange, I think <280 is a real possibility for this board :up:

Yeap, looking at the market all time low right now with holidays around the corner and retail sales dropping more then 2.8% a month I wouldn't be surprised if this comes out for less then US$230 :up:

zsamz_
11-14-2008, 05:03 PM
i too am waitin on the avenger but 1$ over the dfi ut p45 will change my mind

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-14-2008, 05:05 PM
i too am waitin on the avenger but 1$ over the dfi ut p45 will change my mind

ddr3 p45 DFi or DDR2?

Jor3lBR
11-14-2008, 05:08 PM
i too am waitin on the avenger but 1$ over the dfi ut p45 will change my mind

sam P45 suffering with Quads will turn ppl down to this one.

Nugzo had his Quad running 9x515 fsb on UD3 he has a DFI P45 now and his playing with it these days, if it fails I'll give up on DFI's have been a customer since Intel 440LX chipset but I can't take more loses trusting they will get it right next time.

zsamz_
11-14-2008, 08:33 PM
sam P45 suffering with Quads will turn ppl down to this one.

Nugzo had his Quad running 9x515 fsb on UD3 he has a DFI P45 now and his playing with it these days, if it fails I'll give up on DFI's have been a customer since Intel 440LX chipset but I can't take more loses trusting they will get it right next time.

its all gotta do with the bios
asus in on the ball with quads
dfi got the memory bandwidth
asus doin nice with quads but bandwidth suks
well gigabut is crap to me even if they cover their boards with gold i hope 50% of their boards get rmaed:ROTF:
i dont use no quad
so far the ut p45 as good as the ut p35
i'm just waitin to see if the avenger any good
dfi dropped the ball bigtime on the x38 no good after 500fsb with e8600
lets see what foxconn can do

jason4207
11-15-2008, 07:11 AM
Edit: I misread something:p:

Don't talk about other boards in the Avenger thread, it confuses people that just worked for 12 hours without any breaks:p:

I edited it to make it easier for the drunk & weary to understand.

:toast:

raptor1
11-17-2008, 05:27 AM
here is some testing of the avenger

http://www.benchtec.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2766

Best Regards
Raptor1

blindfitter
11-17-2008, 09:04 AM
here is some testing of the avenger

http://www.benchtec.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2766

Best Regards
Raptor1

Hi Raptor,

you got here before me

raptor1
11-17-2008, 09:13 AM
Hi Raptor,

you got here before me

yeah i was looking at it at lunchtime

what happened to post #5 and post #6

looks like you are geting good results with it - keep pushing

Raptor1

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-17-2008, 09:13 AM
damn, 2v VTT this thing is going to clock quads like a monster if release bios goes that high !!!! :D :D :D

Gendo
11-17-2008, 09:21 AM
with 2v it's also going to kill/degrade quads like a monster:D

blindfitter
11-17-2008, 09:36 AM
yeah i was looking at it at lunchtime

what happened to post #5 and post #6

looks like you are geting good results with it - keep pushing

Raptor1

They will be filled with benches, as and when we get off water and on to SS or cooler.

Just putting in a pair of 3870's to try the CF chip

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-17-2008, 10:09 AM
with 2v it's also going to kill/degrade quads like a monster:D

degradation of 45nm cpus is a myth and they don't call it suicide bench runs for nothing! :devil:

Jor3lBR
11-17-2008, 12:59 PM
damn, 2v VTT this thing is going to clock quads like a monster if release bios goes that high !!!! :D :D :D

+1 Q9650's love VTT's much more then Q6600's don't they? :yepp:

massman
11-22-2008, 06:40 AM
So, where is it?

Logos
11-22-2008, 06:45 AM
So, where is it?

lol, I saw it listed on a German site a week ago or so, and removed a couple of hours later :D

Jor3lBR
11-22-2008, 06:54 AM
Canceled?

Logos
11-22-2008, 07:01 AM
Canceled?

no, but extremely difficult to get hold of, foxconn boards :D
(look at this article date: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9395/quantum_force_avenger_exposed/index.html )

BulldogPO
11-22-2008, 08:51 AM
I´ll get my board on monday, there is going to be review of it on http://mato78.com but on finnish language.

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-22-2008, 08:52 AM
I´ll get my board on monday, there is going to be review of it on http://mato78.com but on finnish language.

great news :)

Jor3lBR
11-22-2008, 02:59 PM
great news :)

Indeed a review would be great!

I'll keep an eye to see witch of these will clock the 45nm Quad better UD3P or Avenger.

philbrown23
11-22-2008, 04:10 PM
they look like ok clockers, but I'm hesitant on foxconn boards I've heard of lots o probs with black opps,

Gendo
11-22-2008, 04:14 PM
Still no official announcement of when it will be 'released'? Saaya help calm our nerves!:p:

VOID WARRANTY
11-22-2008, 05:37 PM
well im looking at the avenger also...seeing my ud3r will bench over above a 500 bus but will only stay stable at 495 and im not the only one with this problem with the ud3r...the ud3p on the other hand will get 515 stable for most people...my e8400 runs 4.45ghz rock stable with 1.3700 v-core and a 495 bus...my chip ran 4.7ghz with around 1.4100 the board just wont stay stable with a higher bus..so i need to upgrade the ud3r is holding me back..and you know the thing is crap and droop town unless you enable the load line calibration which only makes up for the boards short comings....i dont care either il run my chip with 1.4300 vcore all day long i just need 525 stable on descent volts...so if any one thinks they know a p45 that will do that leave me a message...cuz who knows when the avenger will come out

Jor3lBR
11-22-2008, 06:36 PM
I decided to google around and apparently it should hit the stores on Dec 10th. :up:

Logos
11-22-2008, 10:57 PM
I decided to google around and apparently it should hit the stores on Dec 10th. :up:

link ?

WhiteFireDragon
11-22-2008, 11:09 PM
dec. 10th? wow this thing is so late. p45 coming out after x58 launched already.

Logos
11-22-2008, 11:18 PM
dec. 10th? wow this thing is so late. p45 coming out after x58 launched already.

the funny thing about this board is they just made it as good as an X48 (with 32 lanes CF)...just as good as a blackops...so what's the point :confused: besides, like I mentioned in a post above, I saw the board listed just a few hours on a site a week ago (not in stock right), and it was priced at 300 euros...

VOID WARRANTY
11-22-2008, 11:44 PM
il tell you what they been working on this avenger for ever it better not be flop

Jor3lBR
11-23-2008, 07:28 AM
link ?


Google.com.au - these companies are announcing the Avenger:
http://www.shopbot.com.au/pp-foxconn-avenger-price-142582-3005094.html

All of the above eshops are showing a 10-12-08 or 12-10-08 (however you guys use dates) as an ETA.



il tell you what they been working on this avenger for ever it better not be flop

I will only buy this mobo if it shows consistency of beating the Giga UD3P with 45nm Quads and Mem OC, if not I will prefer to step down the double X16 CF and go with a single x2 and the UD3P...

VOID WARRANTY
11-23-2008, 09:17 AM
Google.com.au - these companies are announcing the Avenger:
http://www.shopbot.com.au/pp-foxconn-avenger-price-142582-3005094.html

All of the above eshops are showing a 10-12-08 or 12-10-08 (however you guys use dates) as an ETA.




I will only buy this mobo if it shows consistency of beating the Giga UD3P with 45nm Quads and Mem OC, if not I will prefer to step down the double X16 CF and go with a single x2 and the UD3P...

all there prices are showing this board being over $400 they can keep it id rather have the new DFI,s with same 8 phase digital for $200

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-23-2008, 09:41 AM
all there prices are showing this board being over $400 they can keep it id rather have the new DFI,s with same 8 phase digital for $200

~$430 aus is only $300 USD which means it will be less than $300 at release in the US

Utnorris
11-23-2008, 10:47 AM
Wow, $300. I mean I am sure it is worth it, but with the X58 being available, I am not sure it would be worth going to it. Both use DDR3 and the boards cost around the same, the only difference is you could use your current chip. I will wait to see the reviews to see how good it is before making a final decision on it.

VOID WARRANTY
11-23-2008, 11:31 AM
Wow, $300. I mean I am sure it is worth it, but with the X58 being available, I am not sure it would be worth going to it. Both use DDR3 and the boards cost around the same, the only difference is you could use your current chip. I will wait to see the reviews to see how good it is before making a final decision on it.
Yea and they also have a ddr3 version of the lanparty UT why buy the avenger at almost a $100 more

Utnorris
11-23-2008, 12:50 PM
Yea and they also have a ddr3 version of the lanparty UT why buy the avenger at almost a $100 more

Well, I actually get the purpose of this board, it's just if you were going to buy a new board and ram, why not jump into a x58 board. I just think it is a little late to the party and if it had made it to the market 2-3 months ago it would have been a hit. This reminds me of the Asus Blitz, a P35 that gave you 2x8 PCIe slots for CF along with some great overclocking features. The problem was that it was release a month before the x38/x48 chipsets, which offered 16x16 PCIe slots for CF and it was at the same price as the x38/x48 boards. If the Avenger was a DDR2 board and/or under $200, then I could see people getting this board instead of moving to the x58 boards.

Anyway, it is still a moot point until it actually hits the market, we know the price and it has been reviewed.

Jor3lBR
11-23-2008, 03:09 PM
Well, I actually get the purpose of this board, it's just if you were going to buy a new board and ram, why not jump into a x58 board. I just think it is a little late to the party and if it had made it to the market 2-3 months ago it would have been a hit. This reminds me of the Asus Blitz, a P35 that gave you 2x8 PCIe slots for CF along with some great overclocking features. The problem was that it was release a month before the x38/x48 chipsets, which offered 16x16 PCIe slots for CF and it was at the same price as the x38/x48 boards. If the Avenger was a DDR2 board and/or under $200, then I could see people getting this board instead of moving to the x58 boards.

Anyway, it is still a moot point until it actually hits the market, we know the price and it has been reviewed.

Yes and don't forget that Giga UD3P costs around $110, with the extra $250 you can put towards a X2 and not need the double x16 lines.

Frankly I'm very skeptical as adding that CF chip can really decrease the OC potential, this is just a feeling I have, the simple the better but I can be wrong.

Have to wait for reviews especially with the Q9650 chip that is pretty comfortable around 4500Mhz on the UD3P.

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-24-2008, 01:05 AM
Yes and don't forget that Giga UD3P costs around $110, with the extra $250 you can put towards a X2 and not need the double x16 lines.

Frankly I'm very skeptical as adding that CF chip can really decrease the OC potential, this is just a feeling I have, the simple the better but I can be wrong.

Have to wait for reviews especially with the Q9650 chip that is pretty comfortable around 4500Mhz on the UD3P.

well you have to consider that the reason the X48 chip has so much trouble is that the PCI-E controller is beefier and interferes with the MCH. Once you remove the PCI-E controller onto a seperate chip all of that goes away. this is the way all "x series" chipsets should have been done from the get go but intel didn't want to do it that way... :shrug:

massman
11-24-2008, 07:29 AM
I just hope the board is totally worth the wait and money ...

blindfitter
11-24-2008, 01:24 PM
a taste of what to expect 610 x 9, board will go at 625 x 8.5
pi1m no tweaks:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/blindfitter/pi1m8438a.jpg

Jor3lBR
11-24-2008, 01:28 PM
a taste of what to expect 610 x 9, board will go at 625 x 8.5
pi1m no tweaks:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/blindfitter/pi1m8438a.jpg

Tons of boards do that with Duo's, how about Quad Love?

Crazystang01
11-24-2008, 01:51 PM
blindfitter, Can you do any tests with 2x2G sticks. I would like to know if the dividers are working on this board with my black ops I cant get 500 to work on the 1:3 or 1:3.2. I do like the layout more with the Avenger then my Black ops. Also just wondering about the PLX chip say if some one was going a 4870x2+ a 4870 would it still work? I think so but dont know since the use of 2 PLX chips. I am also on a E8600 but with 2x2G memory. So I been reading everything you been testing.

BulldogPO
11-24-2008, 11:31 PM
I received my Avenger yesterday. And it does not OC over 420-430MHz FSB with Q9300, no matter what I do.
Needs better bios.

Whokidmo
11-25-2008, 12:10 AM
I received my Avenger yesterday. And it does not OC over 420-430MHz FSB with Q9300, no matter what I do.
Needs better bios.

thats a cool story... now do it with a real quad core, you know, E0 stepping, maybe the qx9770... measuring a boards overclocking abilities with a q9300 isn't really measuring much since that chip can barely OC already... do it with a q9650 and then i might take what you said seriously...

Oliver
11-25-2008, 12:16 AM
I just hope the board is totally worth the wait and money ...
ya going to be good to see if its kicking or what

BulldogPO
11-25-2008, 03:54 AM
thats a cool story... now do it with a real quad core, you know, E0 stepping, maybe the qx9770... measuring a boards overclocking abilities with a q9300 isn't really measuring much since that chip can barely OC already... do it with a q9650 and then i might take what you said seriously...

Barely???
I have tested this chip stable at 7x500MHz FSB...

Whokidmo
11-25-2008, 04:57 AM
Barely???
I have tested this chip stable at 7x500MHz FSB...

your one of the first i've heard of, i looked at your sig and it shows u got 430x7 on a g33-ds2... i wasn't trying to put down your expertise i just never saw anyone dismiss a motherboard based on q9300... ur your es qx9770 or as i said a new e0 quad, then it'll be a true judge or if anything use a e8600... btw stable to me means nothing with specifics, IE prime95, OCCT, etc. stable means different things to different people... but i do appreciate your input and thank you for sharing your results and opinion, although i disagree to an extent i still respect it, thanks.

massman
11-25-2008, 06:05 AM
your one of the first i've heard of, i looked at your sig and it shows u got 430x7 on a g33-ds2... i wasn't trying to put down your expertise i just never saw anyone dismiss a motherboard based on q9300... ur your es qx9770 or as i said a new e0 quad, then it'll be a true judge or if anything use a e8600... btw stable to me means nothing with specifics, IE prime95, OCCT, etc. stable means different things to different people... but i do appreciate your input and thank you for sharing your results and opinion, although i disagree to an extent i still respect it, thanks.

That's rubbish!

You don't need a high-end cpu to judge whether a motherboard is good or not, you need a cpu of which you know it's limits. The cpu clearly can do 500FSB, so being limited to 420-430 on the P45 is related to the motherboard, either the design, bios or user settings

Slovnaft
11-25-2008, 06:16 AM
imo low end fsb hungry quads are the best tests of a motherboard's true capabilities; 600fsb has been pushed on so many boards, but how many boards have achieved 540+mhz quad fsb? only one i know of... XD

I'd say the two standards of a good P45 would be 640+ dual fsb and 500+ quad fsb. then it can rest amongst the other p45 kings.

BulldogPO
11-25-2008, 09:14 AM
Any newer bioses available for Avenger yet?
7 x 480MHz is now stable with 1.325V Vcore.

blindfitter
11-25-2008, 10:47 AM
2,65 is the highest mem divder thats works with my crucal, sorry cant advise on 2gig sticks only have 1gig sticks at present. the plx chip works well, the following pics are best so far and are just short of what I can score on black Opps.

Will now put a Qx9650 to see how that fairs:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/blindfitter/3dmark03avenger81272.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/blindfitter/3dmark05avenger35146.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg71/blindfitter/aquaAvenger312620.jpg

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-25-2008, 11:25 AM
geeze guys, rag the new mobo when it hasn't even had a single BIOS update.

It's lookin good from over here, I think once people get to know this board better (seen 480 Quad FSB already) we will see the 500+ FSB range on the quads. give it time.

Nosfer@tu
11-26-2008, 05:50 AM
Now where did you get the board then ?

screwtech02
11-27-2008, 05:35 PM
Anybody got a place in the states to get this board???

SNiiPE_DoGG
11-27-2008, 05:39 PM
Anybody got a place in the states to get this board???

Its not out until december 10th

screwtech02
11-27-2008, 07:01 PM
Ahhhh, just in time for that Newegg Holiday "anal-fleecing".......:rolleyes:

VOID WARRANTY
12-05-2008, 07:20 PM
Its not out until december 10th

im siked its almost dec 10th..:rofl:....it will probably be motherboard pro or newegg to have it first

SNiiPE_DoGG
12-06-2008, 10:05 AM
oh dear, :(



This product will be in stock on Saturday 10 January, 2009

ANOTHER MONTH!!!!!!, WTF FOXCONN????? :mad::mad::mad:

VOID WARRANTY
12-06-2008, 10:08 AM
oh dear, :(



ANOTHER MONTH!!!!!!, WTF FOXCONN????? :mad::mad::mad:

if thats true then forget it..

massman
12-10-2008, 04:33 AM
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3385650&postcount=51

Those 'rumours' are true :).

Foxconn keeps postponing the release, but eventually, they'll just cancel the boards, just like they did with the Dreadnought (790i).

screwtech02
12-13-2008, 07:36 PM
Seems that some people have gotten em in Australia, but nowhere else??? WTF is that all about???:shakes:

Its a cryin shame that Foxconn wont step up and say "yes", or "no" about the release/avail/ect.....

SNiiPE_DoGG
12-13-2008, 07:47 PM
well after being a diehard wavenger fan for a while they finally lost me...... took way too longs for this board, I went for a DFI UT P45 T3RS instead :up:

Crazystang01
12-13-2008, 10:31 PM
Sniipe DoGG hows the Dfi UT P45 T3RS going for you. I was also waiting for the avenger but not anymore just took to long. I also been looking at the DFI LP DK P45-T3RSB plus. But would like to know how its going with your DFI UT P45-T3RS.

SNiiPE_DoGG
12-13-2008, 10:49 PM
Sniipe DoGG hows the Dfi UT P45 T3RS going for you. I was also waiting for the avenger but not anymore just took to long. I also been looking at the DFI LP DK P45-T3RSB plus. But would like to know how its going with your DFI UT P45-T3RS.

doing a bench setup tomorrow, watch for a post in the DFI p45 board thread or maybe a seperate thread all together by monday