Project: RainMaker (PC-343B w/ Horizontal Mobo and Triple Loops)

[virtualrain]

Sadly, I've been working on this project for almost a year, and I've realized, it will likely never be completely finished... there's always something else to be done.

Anyway, after a sufficiently long period of procrastination, I've finally got around to annotating some of the pics I took during the build for those of you who might be interested in seeing something a bit different with a Lian-Li PC-343B Cube Case.

The key unique mod I've made here is in converting the motherboard tray to a horizontal configuration.

Although the rest has largely been done before, there are a few other unique elements such as the pump mounting and overall number of water cooled components that may be of interest.

Many ideas were borrowed from others on this forum and elsewhere, so I give due credit to all concerned and thank you sincerely for the inspiration behind many of the design considerations in this project.

My key design goals when starting this project were:


Build a chassis complete with cooling that would last several generations of electronics
Build something that would stretch my capabilities as a hobby PC modder
Build a completed system that was as good if not better than something a custom mod shop would build or a high-end system builder in terms of aesthetics, servicability, and modularity.
Build a cooling system that would pass the XtremeSystems test of no-compromise performance
Build a system that was challenging and agressive and could stand up to the scrutiny of my peers


Ultimately, your feedback will determine if I was successful in my goals.

March UPDATE: Post #3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2765938&postcount=3) now contains pics of the finished build (including SLI and PhysX with the laser cut top/rear panels).

April UPDATE: RainMaker has been featured on Million-Dollar-PC.com (http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/lian-li/rainmaker/lian-li-343b-rainmaker.htm)! :D

RAINMAKER FOR SALE! Link (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=205771)

Let's get to it...

Teaser of the Semi-Final Outcome

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Essential Tools of the Trade

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Chassis Frame

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Motherboard Tray

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Horizontal Motherboard

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Cable Management

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Powder Coating

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Nickel Plating

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Radiator Mounts

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Radiator Pump Assemblies

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[virtualrain]

More Build Pics...

SilentMaxx Watercooled PSU's

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Lower Radiator Installation

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Motherboard Cable Tray

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Monitoring and Control

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Water Cooling Prep

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[virtualrain]

More Build Pics...

Initial Build (before SLI and PhysX)

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Initial Build with Lighting

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Adding SLI & PHysX

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Laser Cut Top Panel

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Laser Cut Rear Panel and Louver

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Desktop Screen Shots

Note that these images are very large. I run a dual monitor setup with a Dell 30" 2560x1600 primary display and a Dell 2007 1600x1200 in portrait mode for a secondary display.

Data collected by Speedfan, Rivatuner, and the Aquaero's is displayed in the Samurize configs on the right hand side of the secondary display.

The Full Desktop...

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/full-thumb.jpg (http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/full.jpg)

The Secondary Display...

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/secondary-thumb.jpg (http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/secondary.jpg)

Wallpaper compliments of AHiL (http://allhopeislost.deviantart.com)

[NoobCake]

just looking at ur sig, you have a pa120.2 on the GTX's and a PA120.3, shouldn't it be the other way?

i would seriously chuck the pa120.3 on the GTX's.. and a pa120.2 should handle a q6600 quite easily

[Nicoleef]

Patriote on his XETM Project has 2 GTX's on a PA120.2 and as i saw his temps are ok with 626Mhz\2000Mhz OC.

Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160457

[shazza]

Another great 343B build! You guys are so talented. Thanks for sharing this one. It is unique.

[Talonman]

Legendary build going on here, with excellent documentation! :up:

Thanks for the post virtualrain. You rig has a very unique look to it.

Keep up the good work. :cool:

[Colossous]

Virtualrain raises the bar ! Amazing build and great project log dude ! I have a new one coming too and yours is inspiring for sure ! :up:

[Xilikon]

Very great build here... Gave me a few ideas for my own mod :)

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ;)

[disruptfam]

WOW VIRTUAL RAIN !!

i've been waiting for this for a long time :) hehehe

Looks like all your Hard work has paid off Looking forward to more updates

This going to be LEGENDARY

[Talonman]

I think he has successfully grabbed our full attention! :yepp:

[disruptfam]

Builds Like This Make My Day!

I can tell this is going to blow me away!

[Canadmos]

Holy crap.

[IanY]

You may want to order the Alphacool reservoir sponges because you may have a hell of a time bleeding those reservoirs in that configuration.

Beautiful job.

[MrToad]

After seeing the pics of your work I feel like ordering a skip and putting everything I've done so far in it, then take gardening as a hobby.

It looks amazing man. Great job.

[Waterlogged]

:shocked: DAMN VR! That's just the sweetest 343 I've ever seen. Primo A++ work there. :up:

[RockfordFosgate]

This is the most beautiful and creatiful 343b log Keep going men;)

[FallenCow]

wow... this is the best build log i've had the pleasure of reading! Keep up the stellar quality... can't wait for the next update.

[sobih25]

really unbelievable :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Fujimitsu]

Wow beautiful so far.

That case looks promising... I'm considering starting a cube case build (either this or MM) and this is greatly helpful.

Keep up the posting! :P:

[madmaxx]

WOW! just WOW!

the mod is SWEET! the log is SWEET! the pix SWEET!

everything is just wicked man :up:

thnx for posting this

:clap: :clap:

[Scubar]

This is going to be freakin awesome, i cant wait.

[trouble2000]

Excellent!

[biglipzit]

The nickel plating everywhere is amazing!

[k0nsl]

Very ambitious work. I am following this thread with immense interest.

[ShoNuff]

WOW...VR your attention to detail is incredible. Your project is well thought out and executed as well. :up:

What are you going to use to control fan speed/noise?

[JvT]

Very nice build you've got going there :up:

Could you please explain a little more about how you mount the pump to the radiator? I'm guessing that you are using some kind of "Male-male" fitting with outer thread on both ends... But as I said, I'm guessing :confused:
Please enlighten me :yepp:

I look forward to your next update!

[S1mon-]

Simply gorgeous :clap:

[Statts]

Excellent build in the making, subscribed!

[Talonman]

I hope he is comming back!! :rofl:

[virtualrain]

Hey guys, thanks for all the positive feedback! Criticism is welcome too!

To answer some questions:
-In hind sight, the PA120.3 might have been better utilized on the GPU loop rather than the CPU but with my current "luck of the draw" hardware, none of my OC's are temp limited with the way things are.
-IanY, you are correct about these tanks being a PITA to bleed, especially on the high flow loops (GPU and CPU)... but with the small screws I put in the top of the caps, it is a lot easier to purge air with an oral syringe when I slow the pump speed down a bit to trap the air in the top of the cap. After about 10 or so cycles of starting/stopping/filling it's pretty much bled. I'm using fanamps to control the pumps so I can easily throttle them down during bleeding. I'm concerned the alphacool sponges would adversely affect flow... maybe unfounded.
- I'll provide more info on the pump and fan control in a future update
- The pumps are connected to the rads using G3/8 to G1/4 M-M couplers from McMaster... I have a pic that I'll post later tonight of the fittings used including these ones.
- I hope to post the rest of the build pics over the next couple of days and then some pics of the final rig config next week. Stay tuned!

:D

[togaman5000]

i must say, this is looking like one of the best build logs/projects i've seen in a very long time!

keep up the good work!

[bball4ever39]

Just amazing..

Its one thing to have an idea like this,
but to execute it like you have so far is just awesome. :up:

[mjassbong]

Wow! Amazing! This has got to be THE ULTIMATE 343B build. I love how you put so much attention to details. Keep it up and keep 'em coming.

[InfamousChu]

Loving the build! One if not the best build ive ever seen! can't wait to see finished product!

[SiGfever]

Fantastic build, what temp probes are you using in the Alphacool? I had an issue with the Alphacool probe fitting in the front inlet.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&manufacturers_id=125&products_id=20435

[jabski]

lovely build. Looking forward to the updates :)

[Jedda]

Those alphacool res will get a lot more use if you come up with a combo that bleeds without too much crazyness.
They've major footprint advantages.
Nice VR, very nice indeed!

[voigts]

Being a custom wood case man myself, I am usually disinterested in regular builds. But I have to say that the custom mounting, redoing the interior layout, brackets, and especially the chrome work really makes this very, very nice. The attention to detail is also unusual to see. This has the making of an unusually sweet build.

What I want to know is where you folks come up with the money for this kind of stuff.

[Nate P.]

Incredible build man. Puts mine to shame.

[Pedalmonkey]

attention to detail is amazing. way to plan it all out. might have to steal the moders mesh idea for the cables in my MM.

[lowfat]

Legendary build going on here, with excellent documentation! :up:

Thanks for the post virtualrain. You rig has a very unique look to it.

Keep up the good work. :cool:

agreed. I can't imagine the time and money that went into this thing.

[IanY]

Hey Virtualrain,

When you have the time, mind showing me how you drilled a small hole in the reservoir cap? I've got two of those reservoirs sitting idle and I would like to use them since I use Alphacool tops.

Much thanks.

[Dark Prodigy]

Serious and well thought out build going on. You have my attention.

[peebee]

Very great job dude! That is amazing :D

[virtualrain]

It turns out I didn't get time to post some more pics tonight but should have time tomorrow.

Some additional comments...

In regards to attention to detail, thanks... this is my main hobby these days and so it's as much about the journey as the destination. The consequence of this is that by taking several months my electronics were nearly obsolete by the time I was finished. The good thing is that this case and the core cooling setup should last for several future PC builds.

In terms of money, it is excessive by some standards, but perhaps more practical than you might think. What annoys me the most about this hobby is that you have to buy most parts sight unseen over the internet based on a picture or two and when you are doing a seriously custom job with a lot of planning you end up making assumptions about parts size, fitment, and compatibility that simply don't pan out. I don't know how much money I wasted on brackets, fans, shrouds, modding parts, etc that I ultimately couldn't use or didn't want to use once I had the parts in hand. With shipping costs what they are, it's not always practical to return stuff you don't want/need either. Sadly, I could probably build another entire rig with spare parts I have lying around from this one. That's where most of the money is wasted in my opinion.

This case is expensive as everyone knows, and the accessories are steeply priced as well, but things like nickel plating, powder coating, sleeving for cables, and modders mesh to hide unwanted things, are really insignificant and well worth it.

One last thought on the the cost... perhaps the most expensive part of custom computer building is the investment in tools. I have a very modest tool set compared to some folks around here (i.e. I don't have a machine shop!) but the right tools can make a project like this so much simpler... but those tools can add up quicker than a pair of SLI graphics cards.

By my calculations, without the cost of tools factored in or my time... just the parts, materials, and outsourced plating/coating, I spent about $5K which is not much more than a high-end Vodoo or Alienware rig would cost and it's a lot more satisfying (albeit frustrating at times) than ordering a rig from a catalog.

Some specific questions...

IanY, I simply put the res cap upside down in the drill press vice and drilled a 7/64" hole in the center of the cap and then tapped it to #8-32 and used a #8-32 x1/4" cap screw with a rubber washer to seal the hole. Bleeding it is then a simple matter of bleeding as much out of the loop using the big main cap off and then working with just the bleed screw out and using the syringe to purge the last remaining air with more coolant. As I said, it does take about 10 rounds of this nonsense to purge all the air but once done, there's not a single bubble of air in the loop. PPC's sells spare caps for these tanks and you may want to get a spare in case you screw one up. I had one crack on me after about a month of being in service... probably the result of the drill/tap over time... the crack was so small it was hard to detect and wasn't really causing a leak but I discovered it because I was getting small amounts of air in my loop from somewhere.

SiGfever, the temp probes I'm using are from Innovatek... http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FassTemp&Category_Code=FanTempFlow

[ladderman]

This is going to a fantastic thread on how a perfectionist does his work.

I had goose bumps up the back of my neck while I was salivating over your pictures.

I thought I was obsessed with detail, but you’ve just gone to a higher level.

Do you suffer from OCD like me? LOL

[bf2142lol]

just looking at ur sig, you have a pa120.2 on the GTX's and a PA120.3, shouldn't it be the other way?

i would seriously chuck the pa120.3 on the GTX's.. and a pa120.2 should handle a q6600 quite easily

I assumed his reason for this was the extra heat load produced by the peltier?

[dualbrain]

Did I hear MDPC (http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/)? This system will not be forgotten :clap: Great one!

[Aldy402]

i commend you for the attention to detail and the amount of man hours you've put into this..

the open bench motherboard orientation is genius
keep up the great work.

[septim]

very very nice as usual VR, cant wait for this to finish, (and of course your next project too, hehehe)...

[Doubage]

Very nice indeed :up:

[virtualrain]

Updated in Post #2 with some additional build pics!

[disruptfam]

looks amazing

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:


what wattage are those psu's rated @

[JvT]

VERY nice look with your "metal enhanced" tubing. Reminds me of my new brake fluid hoses for my bike

[peebee]

Not a bad idea to paint the Thermochills. I put some isolating-tape on it to protect it from scratches during mounting. When I removed the tape, which didn´t really grip that much, the Thermochill lost its paint on most of all the places I had the tape. :( That´s a bad quality for a damn good price. :down:

[AndyM]

:shocked: Wow, that is one heck of a build...excellent work. I'm really loving the presentation as well, thanks for the effort!

[Xilikon]

I love the sleeving of tubing :) A great option for those who use barbs instead of compression fittings is to use heatshrink at both ends to stop fraying and have some room for the hose clamp.

[leo_bsb]

great job dude.
The only drawback are those PSUs. Do you really believe they will be cooled enough with those small blocks attached by thermal adhesive?

[emir]

Excellent job, very clean and smooth. Can't wait for update :)

[InfamousChu]

Fantastic write up! soo much detail! can't wait to see more pics with tubing installed!

[FallenCow]

Dare I ask how long until the next rebuild?! Can't wait til the next update!

[CodeNinja]

Holy crap, this is nuts!

This is like 100% pure awesome. :clap:

[interDOS]

Excellent detailed presentation with very clear photos.

I sympathise with your frustrations when buying parts on the net, based on inadequate web photos, which when the parts arrive, don't suit your plans.

I plan to try and avoid this by going to the manufactures web site and downloading their technical drawings, then add the dimensions to Autocad to check size and fittings with the case design.

I'm still trying to nail down which type of custom cooling system, to use in my dual horizontal mobo self designed case. I intend to start with the cooling system then design the case around it.

Looking forward to part 2 of your mod.

[Eternalightwith]

Can you fit a 120.3 rad horizontally where you installed the 120.2 in the back of the case?

[Talonman]

Every single part just reaks with quality! :shocked:

[Eddie3dfx]

I wanted to say thank you for putting the time in effort not only in this build but also in the pictures and the details that went along with it.
It was really enjoyable to look it and read.
My eyes were like this the entire time :eek:

[disruptfam]

Looking Forward To More Updates!!!

[ladderman]

It turns out I didn't get time to post some more pics tonight but should have time tomorrow.

Some additional comments...

In regards to attention to detail, thanks... this is my main hobby these days and so it's as much about the journey as the destination. The consequence of this is that by taking several months my electronics were nearly obsolete by the time I was finished. The good thing is that this case and the core cooling setup should last for several future PC builds.

In terms of money, it is excessive by some standards, but perhaps more practical than you might think. What annoys me the most about this hobby is that you have to buy most parts sight unseen over the internet based on a picture or two and when you are doing a seriously custom job with a lot of planning you end up making assumptions about parts size, fitment, and compatibility that simply don't pan out. I don't know how much money I wasted on brackets, fans, shrouds, modding parts, etc that I ultimately couldn't use or didn't want to use once I had the parts in hand. With shipping costs what they are, it's not always practical to return stuff you don't want/need either. Sadly, I could probably build another entire rig with spare parts I have lying around from this one. That's where most of the money is wasted in my opinion.

This case is expensive as everyone knows, and the accessories are steeply priced as well, but things like nickel plating, powder coating, sleeving for cables, and modders mesh to hide unwanted things, are really insignificant and well worth it.

One last thought on the the cost... perhaps the most expensive part of custom computer building is the investment in tools. I have a very modest tool set compared to some folks around here (i.e. I don't have a machine shop!) but the right tools can make a project like this so much simpler... but those tools can add up quicker than a pair of SLI graphics cards.

By my calculations, without the cost of tools factored in or my time... just the parts, materials, and outsourced plating/coating, I spent about $5K which is not much more than a high-end Vodoo or Alienware rig would cost and it's a lot more satisfying (albeit frustrating at times) than ordering a rig from a catalog.

l]
I totally agree with you in so many ways. The journey to the end result is just as important as getting there, and sometimes the cost of getting there can be an expensive one.

When you become obsessed with every detail of the build, you will go to any lengths to achieve it. I only got into liquidcooling 10 months ago and my first build totalled £3,200 = $6273. I kept every receipt for all the little things like nuts, bolts, screws, brackets, the cost for those alone came to £220 = $433.

I had lists a mile long every time I went to a DIY store, if I needed some screws or bolts I would buy a verity of different sizes just to make sure I had the right gear for the job. I would travel 25 miles just to checkout companies when I needed more specialized parts.

I was terrible for placing orders online for parts then a couple of days latter I’d remember something else needed, so I paid double postage loads of times. I had parts shipped for the USA and Europe. I’ve got boxes full of spare gear that’s left over from that build. Thank God I’ve got an understanding wife. lol

I think building liquidcooled PCs is like climbing mountains. You have to plan, plan and plan again. And once you’ve workout a route sometime you need to deviate from that route to get you to the top. But when you’ve cracked that mountain you start to look for a new challenge.

I’m already thinking about my next venture in to liquidcooling, and just like climbing mountains the next one has to be more of a challenge than the one before. I think ultimately the route I need to go down is building my own custom case, because that way you can have total control of the build instead of being constrained by the limitation of manufactured cases.

Look at the cost of a top quality case like the TJ07 or your 343B, what’s the first thing we need to do with it, strip it down and start hacking bits off that give us problems. Are we mad or what lol. If I’m honest I thinks I get more enjoyment out of building PCs than using them.

Just like to say once again that you are doing a fantastic build. You are setting new boundaries when it comes to the dedication and commitment needed to produce work like yours.

[NysoO]

Man, you're attention to detail, AWESOME. Love the tubing, can't wait to see it in action. I was wondering about the PSU's though, how good are they? I mean stability on the rails etc.


I think building liquidcooled PCs is like climbing mountains. You have to plan, plan and plan again. And once you’ve workout a route sometime you need to deviate from that route to get you to the top. But when you’ve cracked that mountain you start to look for a new challenge.

Thats exactly how I feel, and I'm starting to understand how these things work. With my last build I was thinking like "Well, after this I will be satisfied for a couple of years", but after a few weeks you're already getting hungry for something new, as it is so darn funny to build. Especially watercooling.



Look at the cost of a top quality case like the TJ07 or your 343B, what’s the first thing we need to do with it, strip it down and start hacking bits off that give us problems. Are we mad or what lol. If I’m honest I thinks I get more enjoyment out of building PCs than using them.

Couldn't agree more :D

[Tallpaul]

WOW AWESOME thats my dream pc wow nice work bud well done i am just noob at the water cooling atm but leaning well :D :D :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: keep up gd work :D any tips on my stuff will be helpfull :D

[lukashill]

WOW! That's sick man! :sick:

[PonDTranG]

Very beautiful. :shocked: :clap:

[Breezyjr]

Wow, what a great build, with attention to detail I've never seen.

I wish I had both the time, and ability to do something like this!

I'm in the middle of my new build, and after seeing your pics, and others on this site, I've made it a point to TAKE MY TIME! and make sure everything is planned out.

I hope my build comes out half as nice as yours, and I'll be a very happy 'puter builder....

Good luck, and can't wait for my pics.

Breezyjr
:up:

[NysoO]

I wish I had both the time, and ability to do something like this!


Time is important of course, but if it is your hobby, you cant blame time for not living out your hobby, at least thats my opinion :D.



I'm in the middle of my new build, and after seeing your pics, and others on this site, I've made it a point to TAKE MY TIME! and make sure everything is planned out.


Yes, if you want a good result, you really need to take your time. A tip is to always measure twice, or even three times to be 100% shure that you get things right.

[interDOS]

... I’m already thinking about my next venture in to liquidcooling, and just like climbing mountains the next one has to be more of a challenge than the one before. I think ultimately the route I need to go down is building my own custom case, because that way you can have total control of the build instead of being constrained by the limitation of manufactured cases.
I'm still buying tools for my project case build. Just received the Autocad software to design it. Have long list of suppliers of various materials, and a friend who can design electronic circuits in his sleep.


Look at the cost of a top quality case like the TJ07 or your 343B, what’s the first thing we need to do with it, strip it down and start hacking bits off that give us problems. Are we mad or what lol. If I’m honest I thinks I get more enjoyment out of building PCs than using them....
The first PC I ever owned was a self built PC with an Intel 486 4Mhz CPU and 512Kb of RAM. DOS O/S. I have custom built over 600 PC's/servers since, and for the first time am planning to custom build a very different type of an xtreme rig. I'm currently on a very steep learning curve to understand all the various cooling techniques including Thermoacoustics, Thermoelectric, Advance Heatpipes and refrigeration technology.

This forum and in particular threads like this one, has highlighted just how important it is to plan and triple checking your measurements.

[Breezyjr]

Time is important of course, but if it is your hobby, you cant blame time for not living out your hobby, at least thats my opinion :D.


But, I can blame my status as a stay at home dad to FOUR kids 6 and under!:eek:

But, i do a little at a time.....

breezyjr

[mjassbong]

I can relate with regard to buying parts sight unseeing and ending up with quite a few spare parts after all said and done. Like you, I ended up spending quite a bit on parts that didn't workout. They are now collecting dust.

Time wasn't really on my side at the time I build mine. I only had about 3 months timeframe as I had a LAN Party to attend and everyone were anticipating to see my new build. Needless to say, I managed to throw all the pieces of hardware into the 343 and it turned out nicely.

However, regardless if I had more time or not, I don't think I'd be able to do what you're doing now. I certainly don't have all the skillsets you have. So you, my friend, with your 343 build, it is and will be beyond leaps and bounds of mine or any other builds I've seen. Keep up the great work. I can hardly wait to see the final result.



It turns out I didn't get time to post some more pics tonight but should have time tomorrow.

Some additional comments...

In regards to attention to detail, thanks... this is my main hobby these days and so it's as much about the journey as the destination. The consequence of this is that by taking several months my electronics were nearly obsolete by the time I was finished. The good thing is that this case and the core cooling setup should last for several future PC builds.

In terms of money, it is excessive by some standards, but perhaps more practical than you might think. What annoys me the most about this hobby is that you have to buy most parts sight unseen over the internet based on a picture or two and when you are doing a seriously custom job with a lot of planning you end up making assumptions about parts size, fitment, and compatibility that simply don't pan out. I don't know how much money I wasted on brackets, fans, shrouds, modding parts, etc that I ultimately couldn't use or didn't want to use once I had the parts in hand. With shipping costs what they are, it's not always practical to return stuff you don't want/need either. Sadly, I could probably build another entire rig with spare parts I have lying around from this one. That's where most of the money is wasted in my opinion.

This case is expensive as everyone knows, and the accessories are steeply priced as well, but things like nickel plating, powder coating, sleeving for cables, and modders mesh to hide unwanted things, are really insignificant and well worth it.

One last thought on the the cost... perhaps the most expensive part of custom computer building is the investment in tools. I have a very modest tool set compared to some folks around here (i.e. I don't have a machine shop!) but the right tools can make a project like this so much simpler... but those tools can add up quicker than a pair of SLI graphics cards.

By my calculations, without the cost of tools factored in or my time... just the parts, materials, and outsourced plating/coating, I spent about $5K which is not much more than a high-end Vodoo or Alienware rig would cost and it's a lot more satisfying (albeit frustrating at times) than ordering a rig from a catalog.

Some specific questions...

IanY, I simply put the res cap upside down in the drill press vice and drilled a 7/64" hole in the center of the cap and then tapped it to #8-32 and used a #8-32 x1/4" cap screw with a rubber washer to seal the hole. Bleeding it is then a simple matter of bleeding as much out of the loop using the big main cap off and then working with just the bleed screw out and using the syringe to purge the last remaining air with more coolant. As I said, it does take about 10 rounds of this nonsense to purge all the air but once done, there's not a single bubble of air in the loop. PPC's sells spare caps for these tanks and you may want to get a spare in case you screw one up. I had one crack on me after about a month of being in service... probably the result of the drill/tap over time... the crack was so small it was hard to detect and wasn't really causing a leak but I discovered it because I was getting small amounts of air in my loop from somewhere.

SiGfever, the temp probes I'm using are from Innovatek... http://www.highspeedpc.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FassTemp&Category_Code=FanTempFlow

[EnJoY]

Seriously dude....this is awesome! Your attention to detail and overall stylistic taste entailed in this build is just a sight to marvel at. You certainly have my attention. :up:

[virtualrain]

Hey, thanks again for the positive comments.

I'll post some pics of the final product next week.

To answer some recent questions...

- The PSU's are rated to 500W and I'm not sure about their overall quality but I haven't had a failure and they seem to work just fine. I have thermal probes on the big heat sinks of the PSU's and they never exceed 33deg.

- Someone asked if you could mount a PA120.3 across the back where I put a PA120.2 and the answer is... absolutely. This case can obviously house three 120.3's with the configuration I have if you want to sacrifice all front drive bays.

- Someone also suggested that if you weren't using compression fittings you could use some heat shrink with the braided sleeving over the tubbing to prevent fraying and that's absolutely true... In fact, I considered that until I realized that the compression fittings did an excellent job all on their own. But if you are using standard barbs, you might find that normal worm clamps will work great too and blend into the look of the braided sleeving.

[NysoO]

But, I can blame my status as a stay at home dad to FOUR kids 6 and under!:eek:

But, i do a little at a time.....

breezyjr

Hah, man, congratulations :D
Just give them some candy and they'll leave you alone ;)

[shazza]

Such a creative and well-executed project! Modding for the horizontal motherboard mounting is a great idea, but as others have said, takes some real skill to accomplish in such a professional looking manner. I am continuously blown away by the 343B builds here.

[RADCOM]

They just get better and better here. One of the most meticulous builds I have encountered. Congratulations on your effort sir!

[LogAn'sRun]

More Build Pics...
http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker159.jpg



Could you list what part number those mcmaster reducers were? The ones that you ultimately used to fit in the PA's??

[Vice]

Threads like these make me want to spend soooo much money....

Nice job!

[Xilikon]

The McMaster reducer is 4860K657. I own a set myself and it's one of the best.

[LogAn'sRun]

The McMaster reducer is 4860K657. I own a set myself and it's one of the best.

so i don't get confused with language, the number you listed is what I would get to fit bitspower fittings (for example) to a PA120.X?? Just double checking because when I look back at the pic Silverphoenix calls one a 'reducer' and the other a 'coupling', but they both look the same to me. .

[Xilikon]

Yes, it's the one. The BitsPower fitting use G1/4" and the Thermochill radiators has a G3/8" threading so you need a reducer to get from G3/8" to G1/4".

[Mech0z]

A bit off topic, is the motherboard tray easy to remove? I am getting a pc343 soon, but I just understood that it wasn't removable?

[virtualrain]

The McMaster reducer is 4860K657. I own a set myself and it's one of the best.

This is correct. My nomenclature in the pic is a bit different from McMaster... what I called a reducer, they call a bushing. The coupler's (called nipples by Mcmaster) are part # 4860K605 if anyone's interested.

@MechOz, the stock motherboard tray is held in by several rivets... Just drill into the rivet head with a drill bit that's a bit larger than the rivet core (you should be able to gauge the size of the rivet core from the non finished side) and the rivets should just drop out and the tray should be free.

I'll try to post some more pics of the finished product later tonight.

[disruptfam]

WOOOOHOOO MORE PICS!!! can't wait

[LogAn'sRun]

This is correct. My nomenclature in the pic is a bit different from McMaster... what I called a reducer, they call a bushing. The coupler's (called nipples by Mcmaster) are part # 4860K605 if anyone's interested.


OK, Can we simplify this just a little. . .(i'm slow sometimes) I get what the reducer is for (ie. to screw into my rad giving me the option to use the thousand varieties of barbs/fittings that are out there like EK/DD/D-tek), but what do you connect with a coupler/nipple?



I'll try to post some more pics of the finished product later tonight.

WOOT!!!!!


EDIT: Thanks for the response VR, like I said, I'm a little slow and mise the fine print occasionaly. . .

[virtualrain]

OK, Can we simplify this just a little. . .(i'm slow sometimes) I get what the reducer is for (ie. to screw into my rad giving me the option to use the thousand varieties of barbs/fittings that are out there like EK/DD/D-tek), but what do you connect with a coupler/nipple?


As the comment in the picture states, the coupler/nipple was used to connect the pump directly to the rad.

[YugenM]

The attention to detail in this build is amazing.

Also, in the words of my friend who I linked this build to:
"Rich ass bastard" :D

[virtualrain]

The attention to detail in this build is amazing.

Also, in the words of my friend who I linked this build to:
"Rich ass bastard" :D

Thanks Yugen... I still think your tape and sock build is one for the ages! :D :up:

[virtualrain]

Updated!... I added some more pics in Post #3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2765938&postcount=3) of the build before I added SLI and the PhysX card.

I'll try to post some pics of the current build with these items and the panels on in the very near future.

[septim]

yes updates!!!

[Xilikon]

It looks very lovely :)

[Breezyjr]

Where did you get the braided lines? That's an awesome idea I've always wanted to try....
I'm guessing, but are you using all high pressure hydraulic lines and fittings?

Still the most amazing build I've seen so far! I hope mine can be 10% as nice!

later,
breezyjr

[SafeFire]

Woah, that's, woah, and the, holy shi, oh my god, there's a, *jawdrop*.
That's seriously Sexy, I try to confide the use of that word to women, but really, damn.

Love the case, love the colors, love the sleeving job, and the choice in components, you're my new hero mate.

And you've got a PhysX card, with a waterblock on it. I'm in dire need of a new father, feel like adopting a kid? :D

If there was a hall of fame of wicked cases, you'd be in there, and out on the other side.

[disruptfam]

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Wow Just wow!!!!

Dude amazing

[Brian MP5T]

Wow!!!

[dnb#]

I'm crying at the moment. That's how beautiful it is and I really don't want to know how many hours/days you spent on that. and I think your wallet is a little more empty than it was before.

seriously nice build. I think MDPC would be a nice garage ;)

[disruptfam]

1+ on mdpc

[Colossous]

Awe inspiring work duder ! :shocked:

[virtualrain]

Where did you get the braided lines? That's an awesome idea I've always wanted to try....
I'm guessing, but are you using all high pressure hydraulic lines and fittings?

Still the most amazing build I've seen so far! I hope mine can be 10% as nice!

later,
breezyjr

I'm not using braided lines... just sleeving over normal plastic tubes. If you look at some of the pics in Post #2 you will see what I mean.

The sleeving is Techflex MBN 1/2"... http://www.techflex.com/prod_MBN.asp

It's very expandable and looks good on thin wall 3/8" ID and 1/2" ID tubing, and I imagine would work well on 3/4" OD tubing as well.

If you google it you will find some cable organizer online retailers that carry it but I called around my local cable wholesalers and managed to get a 50' spool at wholesale prices. YMMV.

[Yeknom]

Wow, what an amazing build :worship:
Not only is your build a work of art (I love the way you stealthed things with the mesh), I have to say that your project log is as well. It makes things really easy to understand and easy for readers to follow :up:

[awhir]

best build i have ever seen !

[RAID]

a work of art, just beautiful.... wow

[virtualrain]

Please describe the accent lighting mounted along the top inside perimeter of the case.

Good question...

The lighting uses white Laser LED modules mounted to modder's mesh flanges that are rivted to the frame on the left, right and rear as shown in the pic below. The modder's mesh flanges are easy to bend and therefore allow the angle of the lights to be easily adjusted to light the interior in an optimal way.

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker388.JPG

The lighting modules used are these things from PPC's...

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/images/large/products/white_t_01_LRG.jpg

Link (http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=107&products_id=728)

The pumps are illuminated with similar laser LED modules but blue.

Both "cabin lighting" and the lights on the pumps are turned on/off via wireless remote control...

http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/large/bus-68.jpg

Link (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1011/bus-68/Logisys_12_Volt_Remote_Control_RM01.html)

[disruptfam]

i like those remotes for your lighting is there a version that can turn your pc on and off?

[InfamousChu]

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: amazing truely amazing!

[BlueAqua]

That is one amazing job. I really like how you put the metal sleeving over the tubing with the compression fittings, it looks very professional and industrial. I love everything about it. Inspirational!

[Breezyjr]

I'm not using braided lines... just sleeving over normal plastic tubes. If you look at some of the pics in Post #2 you will see what I mean.

The sleeving is Techflex MBN 1/2"... http://www.techflex.com/prod_MBN.asp

It's very expandable and looks good on thin wall 3/8" ID and 1/2" ID tubing, and I imagine would work well on 3/4" OD tubing as well.

If you google it you will find some cable organizer online retailers that carry it but I called around my local cable wholesalers and managed to get a 50' spool at wholesale prices. YMMV.

Thanks for the info. I think I'll look into it. Of course, I wouldn't do my entire setup that way.... would kinda feel like plagiarism... But, I think doing one loops would be kinda cool, since I don't have different color dye at the moment.

Still looking very very cool. And, it's inspired me. I've taken my system apart 3 or 4 times, cause I've seen something I like. :up: :clap:

Trying not to copy everyone's build, but a little here and there might prove to be interesting.

later,
breezyjr

[Anemic]

This build is just....Just amazing! Cant wait until you get your SLI and PhysX cards in there. The end result sure is going to be mindblowing! Ahh, imagen the great OC....*drooooowls*

[Matias23]

this build is AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!!! one of the best.
SLI update ?????

[virtualrain]

I'll try to get the updated pics posted this week. Thanks for the positive response!

[S1mon-]

This is the most stunning watercooled case I've ever seen :shocked:

[The[R]eaper]

Beautiful just beautiful:worship:

[Patriote]

Wow OMFG! This is so kickass! Blows my XETM build thousands miles away!

Really, Amazing job m8!

[Big_Daddy]

How would drain those loops? Turn the whole pc upside down? Drain out of the res?

I'm thinking of something very similar (love the short loops EXTREMELY clean) But I'm thinking of adding a drain plug.

[virtualrain]

Draining can be a PITA... primarily for the graphics card loop... I pull the motherboard to eliminate risk of getting it wet. The CPU and bottom loop can be easily drained... the cpu loop by simply pulling the block outside the case and the lower loop by putting a pie plate or something under one of the PSU fittings and pulling a tube.

Another option I've never exploited with the GPU loop would be to drain it by pulling my DVD drive and using the bleed screw on the bottom of the PA120.2 rad. With some forethought, you could also utilize the bleed screw on the bottom of the rad to drain even a PA120.3 by drilling a large enough hole in the bottom of the chassis in the right place to allow easy access to the screw. I may try this the next time I need to drain the GPU loop.

[LinusTech]

Looks fantastic. Until now my own build was my favorite :p

I guess I really shouldn't have cheaped out and gone with the plastic chromed sleeving. Can you see the fluid through the sleeving at all?

Also, PM me that wholesaler you got the sleeving from if you get a chance.

[Big_Daddy]

I'm designing my rig after yours, but I'd like to use the xspc res tops. (thanks to Martinm210, and his excellent work)

PIC (http://www.xspc.biz/ddcresbig.jpg)

2 things, the pump's outlet is slightly at an angle, and i doubt that it will screw in. Second, I don't know if the added water weight would cause the acrylic to bust.

Also, I'd have to put the barbs at the bottom, to allow the top inlet to be accessed. (guess holes and tubes comeing out and back in at the top of the case would work too.) :rofl:

[virtualrain]

I'm designing my rig after yours, but I'd like to use the xspc res tops. (thanks to Martinm210, and his excellent work)

PIC (http://www.xspc.biz/ddcresbig.jpg)

2 things, the pump's outlet is slightly at an angle, and i doubt that it will screw in. Second, I don't know if the added water weight would cause the acrylic to bust.

Also, I'd have to put the barbs at the bottom, to allow the top inlet to be accessed. (guess holes and tubes comeing out and back in at the top of the case would work too.) :rofl:

That res creates more mounting issues than it solves. There is no elegant way to attach a pump with that res directly to a RAD port unless you use an elbow coming in the top or tap a new G1/4 inlet in the back side. The other problem is that res is so tall, your pump output barb will be too low in the chassis causing other loop routing problems.

I'm not discouraging it, I'd like to see what you can do, but it will get ugly.

[virtualrain]

Looks fantastic. Until now my own build was my favorite :p

I guess I really shouldn't have cheaped out and gone with the plastic chromed sleeving. Can you see the fluid through the sleeving at all?

Also, PM me that wholesaler you got the sleeving from if you get a chance.

Thanks Linus... as you can see from some of the close up pics in Post #3, there is no visibility through the sleeving. It's a pretty tight weave... perfect for 1/2" to 3/4" OD tubing.

[jadeskye]

i'm awaiting my lian li 343b in the mail for my first water cooling rig.

I wish i hadn't seen your machine because now anything i do with this (which won't be anywhere near what you've done) will pale in comparison.

This machine you've constructed here is nothing short of astounding and i hope you're very proud of yourself.

Should i ever win the lottery you're the first person i'm commisioning to build me a new system XD

[virtualrain]

I added a bunch of final pics in post #3 (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2765938&postcount=3).

New pics include SLI, PhysX, and laser cut top and rear panels, as well as some screenshots of my desktop.

[disruptfam]

Wow dude this has to be the best rig i've seen!!! those panels are fantastic!

[Pedalmonkey]

Virtual, you are well, amazing. if you could send me an envelope full of some of your skill to borrow for a couple weeks, that would be AWSOME!!

[Nate P.]

That is da :banana::banana::banana::banana:!

[dualbrain]

Nothing to say about it ... just one thing: What you did is the opposite of worst ;)

[LogAn'sRun]

Just amazing. The finish couldn't have been better.

Can I ask how you feel about the Aquaero? And did you get rid of the buttons on the attatchment of it? 'Cause the ones I see for sale all have some sort of control panel with it built in. . .

[voigts]

This has got to be the most outstanding system I have ever seen, and the attention to detail is incredible, even down to sleeving the watercooling tubing. Talk about setting a new, impossible standard...

[virtualrain]

Just amazing. The finish couldn't have been better.

Can I ask how you feel about the Aquaero? And did you get rid of the buttons on the attatchment of it? 'Cause the ones I see for sale all have some sort of control panel with it built in. . .

I really like the Aquaero for controlling the system. Although I highly recommend it, the BigNG is also equally excellent I believe.

As you can see here, I removed the LCD from the Aquaero main assembly and used a ribbon cable to connect it.

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker342.jpg

The circuit boards for the two Aquaero's (with buttons still attached) were then mounted to the front of the case between the drive bays below the power/reset switch area...

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker381.jpg

Although this pic only shows one Aquaero installed, I later installed both side by side in that space with all buttons accessible from the front as shown above. Of course, the buttons are hidden and inaccessable when the front cover is on.

[911us]

unbelievable !..................

[LogAn'sRun]

Thanks for the quick answer. I've been debating between an Orbital and somthing? I like the unit size of the Aquaero and the orbital, that's what I'm looking for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the BNG require and LCD screen purchased seperately as well?
How do you like Samuarize? I just read that they've lost support for the sight and I guess there won't be any updates coming in the future (unless I misread the front page)?

last question, was teh ribbon cable hard to do, or could you buy one pre-made? Usch, maybe next time I'll just PM you with all these personal questions, don't know if anyone else is interested in these questions. . .

[Breezyjr]

What program do you have running on the desktop? It looks like a version of "Mac OS Dock" And, what about the sidebar?

Just completely awesome! Truly one of they best systems I've seen. I only hope mine looks 10% as nice as yours, and I'll be happy..... That is, if I ever get a chance to work on it again. Darn Family.. hehe Maybe today I'll strap the kids in front of the TV, and get some work done. I'm currently stuck on mounting the Reservoirs, a little tight on my "mad scientist" idea....

later,
breezyjr

[Xilikon]

Awesome built :)

About the Aquaero vs BigNg, keep in mind that if you go with the bigNg path, you are free to pick any LCD panel, even big ones while the Aquaero is struck with the small 20x2 panel. Also, Samurize is great to monitor everything you want, with the look you want too.

I'm using Samurize to monitor my 2 SF800 flowmeters and core temps (the data is fed by the SpeedFan but it can work with BigNg as well).

[Big_Daddy]

Man, kind of glad the thread went this direction. Is there ANYTHING other than the BigNG that will monitor fans (not connected to m/b headers) and the fans/temps that are on the m/b?

Gonna have a bunch of fans, wire them together and put on a fanbus, (high wattage) and pull the rpm off of one, and put it to an LCD. Finding very few lcd's out there with actual fan headers.

(Sorry for the hijack VR)

[Xilikon]

Only 2 choices : Aquaero and BigNg. There might be some cheap knockoffs for monitoring fans speed like the Scythe Kaze Master but not enough functions for watercooling and no custom display.

As for the LCD itself having fans header, I don't know a lot and with Matrix Orbital, they are being phased out in favor of new ones without headers unfortunately.

[Breezyjr]

Just a quick note regarding the Matrix Orbital. With their new series of LCDs, I believe they are going to make them "modular" letting you have individual Modules for monitoring different 'puter stuff.
But, the one's with the fan headers are still widely available....

Later,
breezyjr

[virtualrain]

What program do you have running on the desktop? It looks like a version of "Mac OS Dock" And, what about the sidebar?


I'm using ObjectDock as a taskbar replacement and Samurize for the sidebar and the calendar/clock in the lower left.

[Doc PL]

@Virtualrain - your project is amazing, great work.
I have one question to you. I plan to use T-Balancer Big NG to control 3 Laing DDC 12V 1RT pumps (10W power consupton each). Do you know if T-Balancer is able to handle three of them ? As I looked on specs there is written that T-Balancer can handle 20W analoque per channel (80W total) so I gess it should work nicely. Any experience with this ?

[Xilikon]

I think you need a FanAmp to plug the pump.

[0xdeadbeef]

Or the miniNG. I'm using one to drive my two DDCs. The 4 fan channels on the bigNG I use for my radiators.

[Big_Daddy]

@Virtualrain - your project is amazing, great work.
I have one question to you. I plan to use T-Balancer Big NG to control 3 Laing DDC 12V 1RT pumps (10W power consupton each). Do you know if T-Balancer is able to handle three of them ? As I looked on specs there is written that T-Balancer can handle 20W analoque per channel (80W total) so I gess it should work nicely. Any experience with this ?

I agree with Xilikon. Use the fanamp. It says it handles 20w PER channel, but if you look closely at the label...

Specifications:
dimensions: 88x88x16mm
weight: 150g
max. current: 7A
max. power: 80W (PWM)/20W (analogue) <----
power per channel: 40W (PWM)/20W (analogue)

[virtualrain]

How do you like Samuarize? I just read that they've lost support for the sight and I guess there won't be any updates coming in the future (unless I misread the front page)?



Samurize is excellent. It doesn't appear to be going away... It works fine on all flavors of Vista so there's really nothing further for the author to do... it's up to the community to use and extend it.

Speaking of extensions, a French fellow (Taloche) developed a nice light-weight applet that runs between the Aquaero and Samurize and actually adds a couple of nice features. It saves having to run Aquacomputer's bloat-ware application while allowing you to monitor everythign from Samurize. The cool feature he added was the ability to set fan/pump speed thresholds on ambiant temps... a major shortcomming in the Aquasuite software. If you experience swings in ambiant temps in your room this is a great feature....

http://www.samurize.com/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?cid=6&lid=2084

BTW, I also use Fan Amp's to control my pumps via the Aquaero's...

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker410.jpg

[septim]

bravo, a nice finish to your build... wire managed, and color combo are simply superb.

[[XC] NetburstXE]

As always, simply amazing. Virtualrain, you've inspired me to do my own cube build. Yours is one of the best cubes I've ever seen.

[BlueAqua]

Amazing work VirtualRain. I just had to bring up this thread again as it's a huge resource for inspiration. Cheers

[virtualrain]

Thanks... It's now being featured on Million Dollar PC as well...

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/messages/message080411.gif

Link (http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/systems-2008/lian-li/rainmaker/lian-li-343b-rainmaker.htm)

[Nate P.]

Good job!

[charles_h]

Amazing work Chris!

[skinnee]

congrats!

[Patriote]

Man, i say it again. I never seen something like that. The attention to details is just amazing as well as the cuts, plumbing and all the other work into the case. This computer is worth more than any other just by it's incredible look. I'm just stunned every time i go through these pics. Just insane, really.

Xtremely incredible work virtualrain! Congrats for the Million Dollar PC as well!

[Anemic]

Amazing!! Best build Iv seen so far!

[alejo]

Quick question Virtualrain, and sorry if I missed this somewhere in the threads, but did you have to double up on the o-rings for the compression fittings? I was planning on doing the same with a GTX and the ones I have don't seem to seat very well.

[virtualrain]

Quick question Virtualrain, and sorry if I missed this somewhere in the threads, but did you have to double up on the o-rings for the compression fittings? I was planning on doing the same with a GTX and the ones I have don't seem to seat very well.

Hmm... No... I didn't do anything special with the o-rings on my compression fittings... they seemed to do the job well. :shrug:

[MasterChiefElmo]

Dude i cant seem to stop looking at this PC. I want to do something like it without copying it. But anything that i do will fall in comparison to this magnificent build, all i have to say is it is the most beautiful comp..... that I know of. I cant wait until you build your next rig to see what it will looks like. Keep it up man your builds are GREAT!!!!!!!!!

[Eddie3dfx]

Wow thats a sick build.. simply amazing

:worship:

[N3it1]

Best build i have ever seen hands down!

[Jtrain43791]

I've been staring at this build for like a month now and finally got my jaw back to the right place after it dropped so far it fell off my face lmao. Absolutely beautiful build, did you do the Powdercoating yourself? Expect dome PMs as i am working on an 343B build. 2 Thumbs Up!

[mpower1001]

Insane!!! How do you get the acrylic on the EK blocks to glow blue...LEDS?

[Nate P.]

This build is beyond words ...
What? No LILI bashing from R3?:p:

[Mekrel]

R3 does not consider this a LiLi..... As it was clearly modded to emulate the ALMIGHTY MM UFO HORIZON ...... :up:

Not even I have the gumption to knock this Build.....:shocked:

VirtualRain is the MAN.... :up:

RainMaker......FTW

If this were my mod, I would take that as an insult.

If he wanted to emulate a MM case, he would have made a simple box out of aluminium and used thumbscrews to attach four panels to the frame.

Instead he chose a case with refined looks and real design. Precision bent aluminium panels that slot onto the case, only using two thumbscrews to secure it.

Not using some bloody cow boy method of having eye sore thumbscrews sticking out left right and center.

The only MountainMod "mods" you see around are paint changes, sleeving fans and chucking a load of hardware inside. Boring.

I would love Jeremy Clarkson to review a Mountain Mods case, he would probably describe it in the same light as he does American cars.

[FrostyPanda]

More Build Pics...

http://members.shaw.ca/rain.maker/build2007/RainMaker297.jpg

Where did you find it for $40? Cheapest I've found is $30 for 10ft and $67 for 25ft...

[FrostyPanda]

Frosty... He doesn't frequent this forum anymore.

Nice bump of (2) LiLi 343 builds, though...:rolleyes:

haha I didn't know. I was just wondering because I'm doing a 343b mod pretty similar to this, except with white paint and probably the Techflex Carbon Fiber sleeving (http://www.techflex.com/prod_CFN.asp) but I was tempted to buy this if it was so cheap; the CF sleeving is $70 for 25ft :brick:

[crazy1323]

WOW!!!! Looks great. how did you get windows to look like that with the OS X inspired dock on the bottom?

Also, how is the Dell 30" monitor. I am thinking about getting two of them.

[FrostyPanda]

WOW!!!! Looks great. how did you get windows to look like that with the OS X inspired dock on the bottom?

Also, how is the Dell 30" monitor. I am thinking about getting two of them.

in case you didn't see the post above you... he apparently doesn't check out XS very much anymore. To answer your question though, you can download a program called RK Launcher. you can download it here (http://home.cogeco.ca/~rklauncher/)

[RADCOM]

If this were my mod, I would take that as an insult.

If he wanted to emulate a MM case, he would have made a simple box out of aluminium and used thumbscrews to attach four panels to the frame.

Instead he chose a case with refined looks and real design. Precision bent aluminium panels that slot onto the case, only using two thumbscrews to secure it.

Not using some bloody cow boy method of having eye sore thumbscrews sticking out left right and center.

The only MountainMod "mods" you see around are paint changes, sleeving fans and chucking a load of hardware inside. Boring.

I would love Jeremy Clarkson to review a Mountain Mods case, he would probably describe it in the same light as he does American cars.
Don't hold back say how you feel lmao One lucky Xs member with a fat wallet can be the proud owner of this magnificent beasty. I wonder if the purchaser gets the copyright on the name too :D

[virtualrain]

Still looking for the right buyer. All reasonable offers considered.

[FrostyPanda]

Still looking for the right buyer. All reasonable offers considered.

I'll bump this because you're still a great inspiration for my build :up:.

[breathemetal]

Beautiful rig! Id buy it..if i was rich, haha. But i dont think i could ever buy a prebuilt rig...it just wouldnt feel right.

[b@llz0r]

have you tried putting it on ebay?

I could see it going for 15k+

[virtualrain]

The water cooling stuff is now being listed in the for sale forum... The case is also for sale in general hardware... It's a sad day... I really enjoyed this build! :(

[g0dM@n]

The water cooling stuff is now being listed in the for sale forum... The case is also for sale in general hardware... It's a sad day... I really enjoyed this build! :(

I saw that. I hadn't seen this thread before and man I must say it's a beauty. :)

[Mr_Mike]

wow... amazing

[janteby]

Hello,

I am a computer builder but Unfortunately am not a Modder.

I purchased a Lian Li PC-343B Modular case and want to Mod/change the internal cages that hold all the 5.25" drive bays. I thought I could just hire a metal worker & have them do what I was thinking but after 2 of them I am getting no where. It is very difficult to explain my needs here, but in summary just a easier way to add & remove the Devices, because the initial design of the cages in that case make it near impossible to get things in & out & have them aligned up in the front. I "would think" that something like this would be easy to make/do especially for the extremely talented Modders I see on this website.

Ideally what I would like is if someone who by chance who lives in or near North New Jersey to give me call & possibly come by so I can explain what I want done & I can pay them of course to do the work.

Please let me know & I hope this gets to someone that can help.

Again it is too complicated to explain here, so someone who would be willing to at least start by talking on the phone.

Thank you
Jeff

[Mekrel]

Hello,

I am a computer builder but Unfortunately am not a Modder.

I purchased a Lian Li PC-343B Modular case and want to Mod/change the internal cages that hold all the 5.25" drive bays. I thought I could just hire a metal worker & have them do what I was thinking but after 2 of them I am getting no where. It is very difficult to explain my needs here, but in summary just a easier way to add & remove the Devices, because the initial design of the cages in that case make it near impossible to get things in & out & have them aligned up in the front. I "would think" that something like this would be easy to make/do especially for the extremely talented Modders I see on this website.

Ideally what I would like is if someone who by chance who lives in or near North New Jersey to give me call & possibly come by so I can explain what I want done & I can pay them of course to do the work.

Please let me know & I hope this gets to someone that can help.

Again it is too complicated to explain here, so someone who would be willing to at least start by talking on the phone.

Thank you
Jeff

Whats wrong with the mounting method?

You just put the screws into the optical drive (I put two in each side, at the front of the drive) and slide them in from the front. Then I secure the drive using screws.

For hard disks, I use a Lian Li hard drive cage which is perfect.

[injurylaw]

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[Kozato]

Amazing build! I like how you add comments and put in details of what you did in your photos.

[RacingTurtle]

lol. Thread resurrection by spam.

[RADCOM]

This was a great thread, a pity the project was dismantled, breaks my heart..................