gOtVoltage
12-01-2007, 11:58 PM
The IHS is soldered, you are not going to be removing it. And there is no reason to, soldered it gets flawless heat transfer to the IHS.
Ok i reached into my chip collection and heres a little Mod for Soldered I H S's ,This is For Current AMD so you can protect that core while ALMOST being Naked ,,,The chip being naked that is! , One of my X2-6000+'s in all its naked beauty :cool:
Note: This was a dirty and fast test i did on Air before i Sold the Thermalright 120....The MOBO is ASUS M2N32 Deluxe WiFi.... The Chips i modded 1x 6000+WindsorF3,,1x 5600+WindsorF3 and 1x3200+Orleans F2. This mod is very easy and you will need a micrometer or some type of measuring device :D so you dont over sand!
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0303.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0296.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg
I have tried numerouse ways to cool Soldered IHS's and alway wound up removing them untill now! I sacrificed a 5600+ by accident which led me to Mod the IHS vs removing it.
As you can see I have delidded the 6000+,, Ok it was my GunniPig to go along with several other Cpu's ive delidded down the OverClock Road for Air cooling....I only did this to test a theory I had on Sanding/shaving/lapping Soldered AMD CPU's....
I learned the hard way . I am also writing this to save some one the dreaded Core Crunch and release ,that sometime happens to the best of us... Shatterd 5600+ was too graffic to show:rofl:
I came to conclude that if you SAND and LAP the AMD soldered IHS down to 2/64th of an Inch thick,TOTAL I H S Hight,,It will net a mere 1c-3c higher temp than if the CPU was bare ...On a 125watt TDP CPU thats really nice :yepp:
This is priceless for not unlidding the 6000+ ,The Heat differance was only due to the thickness of the solder not releasing the heat as fast as a bare core!...This temp will vary depending on how much SOLDER was used and they USE LOT OF SOLDER!
The trick here is to go slow! I carefully measured the IHS that i ripped off my 5600+"It was not intentional" . I also took of a crap load of Solder off so I could mic the center wall thickness too. once i had my starting points meashured i slowly sanded with 200grit untill i reached a hair over 2/64ths Thick overall hight! I then proceeded to lapp with 400,,600,,1000,,1250 and then 2000grit wetdry...Untill it was only 2/64ths in total thickness. For my final finish i always polish out the micropores ,this creates a smoother surface for the thermal paste to fill...I used a micrometer and noted the overal thickness of the sides and the inside lip along with the top deck thickness...
Overall from top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center. Now the inside lip/rim/wall will be 1/64th high on the inside!...I did the exact same steps on all three IHS's. I made shure that all three had the same thick ness on the ouside wall hight. This in turn means that the center should also be the same! The IHS's are Stampped from a sheet of copper @AMD or where ever and will be of the same thickness on the sides and the ceiling of IHS.. Its very safe to say that you can sand and lap them to 2/64ths with out a hassel. This means , even @ 2/64ths you wont sand through to the solder! After sanding all three with the same end result,I will no longer delid them !
Its amazing , i nailed two birds with one stone. Doing it this way results in never crushing a core and extremly low temps ! I know i tried Extremely hard with screw breaking force mounting under a old solid copper water block . I did not test this in the Mobo "snapping of screws are you crazy! The AMAZING thin top of the IHS still protected the Cores under the most extreme conditions while cooling to the best it can be...The solder also aids in supporting the thin copper of the IHS..
Like i said this is a down and dirty post ...if ya gott Q's you can PM me or just post away.
First modded 6000+ !!
This is after doing a 1M Super Pi...@3.51ghz ThermalRight 120Extreme @22c ambiant room temp...
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3.51ghzair.jpg
Second My 5600+ modded IHS !!
Now here is my 5600+ and it was a real bad stepping!!!! Before i did the IHS mod it would only run up to 3.12ghz!!!!! and that was with 1.61vcore....Now that i did its IHS it hits 3.3ghz @1.48vcore ...Temps in screen are right after a superPi 1M run!
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/ASUS3.jpg
[/Third a Modded 3200+ fully Stable@2.8Ghz with 1.25vcore on AIR! Before it would barely do 2.5ghz!@1.48vcore,Also Temp 1 read incorrectly, I ts was @26c , used a thermosensor from my DVOM to verify...Also for a non solder core it performed very well...
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3200orleans2.jpg
In my Sig my current 6000+ with modded IHS ...I am only running a 100gph pump , I had sold my 655 to my Bro , I didnt need the 300gph to hit 3.5ghz anymore :ROTF: But now i want to go to 3.6ghz so i will buy another one real soon:ROTF:
:D Hope you liked this little heads up with my JunglesAdventures ,"On how to Scalp a Soldered IHS."...:yepp:
Shhhh I am now hunting Phenom, be weel Qietttt
P.S. uwackme ,you hit the nail on the head ,thanks for inspiring my IHS recklessness :D ....
Ok i reached into my chip collection and heres a little Mod for Soldered I H S's ,This is For Current AMD so you can protect that core while ALMOST being Naked ,,,The chip being naked that is! , One of my X2-6000+'s in all its naked beauty :cool:
Note: This was a dirty and fast test i did on Air before i Sold the Thermalright 120....The MOBO is ASUS M2N32 Deluxe WiFi.... The Chips i modded 1x 6000+WindsorF3,,1x 5600+WindsorF3 and 1x3200+Orleans F2. This mod is very easy and you will need a micrometer or some type of measuring device :D so you dont over sand!
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0303.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0296.jpg
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg
I have tried numerouse ways to cool Soldered IHS's and alway wound up removing them untill now! I sacrificed a 5600+ by accident which led me to Mod the IHS vs removing it.
As you can see I have delidded the 6000+,, Ok it was my GunniPig to go along with several other Cpu's ive delidded down the OverClock Road for Air cooling....I only did this to test a theory I had on Sanding/shaving/lapping Soldered AMD CPU's....
I learned the hard way . I am also writing this to save some one the dreaded Core Crunch and release ,that sometime happens to the best of us... Shatterd 5600+ was too graffic to show:rofl:
I came to conclude that if you SAND and LAP the AMD soldered IHS down to 2/64th of an Inch thick,TOTAL I H S Hight,,It will net a mere 1c-3c higher temp than if the CPU was bare ...On a 125watt TDP CPU thats really nice :yepp:
This is priceless for not unlidding the 6000+ ,The Heat differance was only due to the thickness of the solder not releasing the heat as fast as a bare core!...This temp will vary depending on how much SOLDER was used and they USE LOT OF SOLDER!
The trick here is to go slow! I carefully measured the IHS that i ripped off my 5600+"It was not intentional" . I also took of a crap load of Solder off so I could mic the center wall thickness too. once i had my starting points meashured i slowly sanded with 200grit untill i reached a hair over 2/64ths Thick overall hight! I then proceeded to lapp with 400,,600,,1000,,1250 and then 2000grit wetdry...Untill it was only 2/64ths in total thickness. For my final finish i always polish out the micropores ,this creates a smoother surface for the thermal paste to fill...I used a micrometer and noted the overal thickness of the sides and the inside lip along with the top deck thickness...
Overall from top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center. Now the inside lip/rim/wall will be 1/64th high on the inside!...I did the exact same steps on all three IHS's. I made shure that all three had the same thick ness on the ouside wall hight. This in turn means that the center should also be the same! The IHS's are Stampped from a sheet of copper @AMD or where ever and will be of the same thickness on the sides and the ceiling of IHS.. Its very safe to say that you can sand and lap them to 2/64ths with out a hassel. This means , even @ 2/64ths you wont sand through to the solder! After sanding all three with the same end result,I will no longer delid them !
Its amazing , i nailed two birds with one stone. Doing it this way results in never crushing a core and extremly low temps ! I know i tried Extremely hard with screw breaking force mounting under a old solid copper water block . I did not test this in the Mobo "snapping of screws are you crazy! The AMAZING thin top of the IHS still protected the Cores under the most extreme conditions while cooling to the best it can be...The solder also aids in supporting the thin copper of the IHS..
Like i said this is a down and dirty post ...if ya gott Q's you can PM me or just post away.
First modded 6000+ !!
This is after doing a 1M Super Pi...@3.51ghz ThermalRight 120Extreme @22c ambiant room temp...
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3.51ghzair.jpg
Second My 5600+ modded IHS !!
Now here is my 5600+ and it was a real bad stepping!!!! Before i did the IHS mod it would only run up to 3.12ghz!!!!! and that was with 1.61vcore....Now that i did its IHS it hits 3.3ghz @1.48vcore ...Temps in screen are right after a superPi 1M run!
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/ASUS3.jpg
[/Third a Modded 3200+ fully Stable@2.8Ghz with 1.25vcore on AIR! Before it would barely do 2.5ghz!@1.48vcore,Also Temp 1 read incorrectly, I ts was @26c , used a thermosensor from my DVOM to verify...Also for a non solder core it performed very well...
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3200orleans2.jpg
In my Sig my current 6000+ with modded IHS ...I am only running a 100gph pump , I had sold my 655 to my Bro , I didnt need the 300gph to hit 3.5ghz anymore :ROTF: But now i want to go to 3.6ghz so i will buy another one real soon:ROTF:
:D Hope you liked this little heads up with my JunglesAdventures ,"On how to Scalp a Soldered IHS."...:yepp:
Shhhh I am now hunting Phenom, be weel Qietttt
P.S. uwackme ,you hit the nail on the head ,thanks for inspiring my IHS recklessness :D ....