Phenom 9700 +790 review

[railmeat]

pretty solid review,


"With the new 7-series chipset family, consisting of the 790FX, 790X and 770, AMD is simultaneously unveiling the Spider platform. Up to four graphics cards can be set up as a Crossfire X configuration using the new 790FX chipset.All of the current and the new motherboards and processors are fully compatible with one another

AMD plans to price the Phenom models markedly lower than Intel's quad-core models.

The gaming market has always been a driving force in PC sales. With the 790FX chipset, AMD now offers buyers the possibility of creating a system using up to four graphics cards in a crossfire configuration. The appropriate driver is expected for release in January 2008.

Since we already covered the HD3800 series of graphics cards in a separate launch article, we will concentrate exclusively on the Phenom quad-core processor and the new 790FX chipset in this article.

In a personal interview with Dave Everitt we found out that AMD is also planning a faster FX version of the Phenom CPU. Furthermore, he revealed that there will also be a quad-core CPU for the 4x4/Quad-FX platform, resulting in a dual-processor eight-core system."

crossfire-x
4 cards running on the 790FX mobo
"AMD promises that the four-card configuration will offer three times the performance of a single card."
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/page17.html

killer looking with mobo running 4 cards,but look!no room for a single pci slot now,lol good thinking?ppl do have sound cards u know amd?lol

Reaching 3.00 GHZ With AMD's OverDrive Utility
"For the first time ever, AMD is offering its own overclocking utility for overclocking the Phenom CPU"
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/page19.html



42 pages of good amd reading,every 1 of my questions answered.

toms hw-

full review
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/11/19/the_spider_weaves_its_web/

[ZL1Killa]

yeh, well i want to see these boards tested with settings and such... overclocking settings and the works

yes, in there they said MSI boards was the top but top with what?

[Lightman]

yeh, well i want to see these boards tested with settings and such... overclocking settings and the works

yes, in there they said MSI boards was the top but top with what?

MSI is fully supporting AMD Overdrive utility, Gigabyte is not, at least for now...

[ZL1Killa]

what about the ASUS board that hasn't been released on newegg yet?
its the http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=149&l3=591&l4=0&model=1930&modelmenu=1
M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP

[xVeinx]

I believe it was Tom's that said that they had the best luck with overclocking on the MSI variant...

[kiikkuja]

Doesn't Tom's Hardware Guide belong to Intel camp...i've been hearing that kind of talk around quite a lot in here and diy-street. People say that Tom's Hardware Guide sucks Intel c*ck and isn't really trustworthy source at all.


Asus sucks ass...DFI FTW!!!

[Psycho_eddie]

Still even so see some good points for sure here!

Amd 3Ghz Phenom on stock volts is pretty nice... good Engenering sample i bet might not be so achiveable with retailed ones mind...

But still performence is good, brings new performence levels for Amd for sure! Will boost my 3dmark06 score for Amd quite alot

Currently get 12615 3Dmark06 with Amd 6400BE + 8800GTX

[railmeat]

Still even so see some good points for sure here!

Amd 3Ghz Phenom on stock volts is pretty nice... good Engenering sample i bet might not be so achiveable with retailed ones mind...

But still performence is good, brings new performence levels for Amd for sure! Will boost my 3dmark06 score for Amd quite alot

Currently get 12615 3Dmark06 with Amd 6400BE + 8800GTX


6400BE what speed oc?

8800GTX overclocked im sure..?

i get 11,700 3dmark06(in sig) with e6600 at 3.6 8800gtx bone stock

[asp6000]

Quote: AMD plans to price the Phenom models markedly lower than Intel's quad-core models.

That's false. Price per performance Intel wins big time using AMD's list prices. I've heard that Intel's Q6600 price is artifically lowered to squeez AMD even more. OEM Q6600 can be had at the Egg for $265, retail 280.

Also, I hope they can get a good X-fire driver for 3 or more GPU's in Jan. but I'll believe it when I see games actually benefit.

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=10452

[misteroadster]

French review 9700+790, they tested 3Ghz 3DM2006, but they were not authorized to install cpu-z or another software.

http://www.presence-pc.com/tests/AMD-Phenom-22734/10/

[PhilDoc]

I went through a little of it, but as far as I got it looked like they just copied what THG had in their review.

[Psycho_eddie]

i get 11,700 3dmark06(in sig) with e6600 at 3.6 8800gtx bone stock[/QUOTE]

6400BE @ 3.5Ghz

Evga ACS3 KO pre OC

[kiikkuja]

I hope Anandtech makes a proper review of the phenom+790fx combination.

Every review states clearly that phenom is slower and more expensive than intel but i still want to upgrade my comp using some future rev phenom or maybe barcelona.

I really hope that AMD get's their act together and we'll see some procs wich will clock atleast to 3G.

[Gambit_2K]

I hope Anandtech makes a proper review of the phenom+790fx combination.

Every review states clearly that phenom is slower and more expensive than intel but i still want to upgrade my comp using some future rev phenom or maybe barcelona.

I really hope that AMD get's their act together and we'll see some procs wich will clock atleast to 3G.

Hmm havenät Anandtech already done that?

[Equil|briuM]

THE most biggest waste of webspace.

Testing Unreal Tournament 2004, Serious Sam 2?

Old games which do not support the architecture.

Take a look at Supreme, using raw processor power Phenom fairs better.

The best review is the Hexus one.

Amand tech, Toms hardware are Intel buy off's.

[kiikkuja]

Gambit_2K

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiikkuja View Post
I hope Anandtech makes a proper review of the phenom+790fx combination.

Every review states clearly that phenom is slower and more expensive than intel but i still want to upgrade my comp using some future rev phenom or maybe barcelona.

I really hope that AMD get's their act together and we'll see some procs wich will clock atleast to 3G.
Hmm havenät Anandtech already done that?

Yes i did see the Anandtech review and i actually read the whole review. I actually meant some overclocking test with overdrive and DFI 790FX board...and maybe some other boards too.

I'm sorry that i didn't state what i really wanted more clearly. :)

[accord99]

The best review is the Hexus one.

Amand tech, Toms hardware are Intel buy off's.
The Hexus review has the Q6600 winning every performance benchmark.

[Jamesrt2004]

The Hexus review has the Q6600 winning every performance benchmark.

Who said phenom had to win them for it to be good?

It's just they had the most thorough and Fair review atm


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[accord99]

Who said phenom had to win them for it to be good?

It's just they had the most thorough and Fair review atm
I just found it funny that Equil|briuM called Anandtech and THG Intell sell-outs even though Hexus had probably the review where Phenom did the worst in.

[Equil|briuM]

You must find alot of things funny then accord99.

As Jamesrt2004 has said, it was the most detailed and accurate too date.

Im not bothered about give or take a few FPS, im looking forward to my Phenom.

[AliG]

ugh, toms has gotten terrible about review length, we don't need to see 20 pages of ads and what not for only a few pages of worthwhile stuff

overall the review does seem fairly solid, though they really need to get their page count lower, they seriously can't expect people to go through 42 pages

[tux08902]

Who said phenom had to win them for it to be good?

It's just they had the most thorough and Fair review atm


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It doesn't have to win. The technology needs to mature, AMD needs to iron production issues, and they also need to reduce prices on Phenom. Phenom CPUs should be priced at least fifty dollars lower to compete well. The highest clocked 9700 is still about ten percent slower than the Q6600, which is a bit cheaper than it too. Most people don't care about long-term plans because they'll always be waiting. However, I most likely won't go with an Intel CPU if, early next year, I start seeing better numbers from Phenom and AMD because my board will run any AM2+ processor. I like that about AMD, but if I still see low performance that's not proportional with the price in comparison to Intel's offerings, then forget it.

[railmeat]

after reading this 9650qx 45nm review amd would have to hit 3.3 on stock voltage i think to switch me back over to amd right now.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=166370

im going with the penryn version of the q6600 model price range($320) and man those things fly. 8multy or not i dont care my 680i goes to 450x8 without even breathing hard.i can see 4 ghz 24\7 game stable at 1.4250 volts on a penryn no problem at all.as a gamer 4ghz is amazing to be running 24\7 pushing on a gtx(fps city!).tho i must admit it probaly feels alot more "solid" playing on a phenom cause of the 4 seperate real cores controlled by the l3 cache,thats flat out amazing.i mean imagine playing on a 3.5ghz phenom running a dual core game and the 2 cores are fully independent with there own functions to control,that spells stabilty to me.the phenoms seems overall rock solid from the "early" reviews and with a little time i bet they start cranking some really hi ghz for mainstream clockers(air,water).time will tell...decesions,decesions cause i want a quad core so0n!

[asp6000]

All the reviews basically burned AMD, and the whole fly all the reviewers out to Tahoe for a SUPERVISED review was a joke. However, I thought Tom's had some positive at the end regarding motherboard / CPU compatability with both the old and future products. I for one would like to see some overclocking with yet to be released 9600 black edition and a DFI 790FX!

[railmeat]

All the reviews basically burned AMD, and the whole fly all the reviewers out to Tahoe for a SUPERVISED review was a joke. However, I thought Tom's had some positive at the end regarding motherboard / CPU compatability with both the old and future products. I for one would like to see some overclocking with yet to be released 9600 black edition and a DFI 790FX!

I for one would like to see some overclocking with yet to be released 9600 black edition and a DFI 790FX!

any solid clocks would be good at this point on ANY phenom,ppl have money and wanna upgrade now!

[kazgirl]

6400BE what speed oc?

8800GTX overclocked im sure..?

i get 11,700 3dmark06(in sig) with e6600 at 3.6 8800gtx bone stock

Hi I also had the 6400+BE before I installed my Phenom, and scored 12806, 6400+ @ 3520MHz , 2 x 8800GTS 320MB, BIOS Flash OC'd @ 612/900.

So thats 2 AMD's outperforming a faster clocked Intel CPU, though to be fair, I did have SLI..... though they were the far lesser 320MB GTS versions....

[mstp2009]

Hi I also had the 6400+BE before I installed my Phenom, and scored 12806, 6400+ @ 3520MHz , 2 x 8800GTS 320MB, BIOS Flash OC'd @ 612/900.

So thats 2 AMD's outperforming a faster clocked Intel CPU, though to be fair, I did have SLI..... though they were the far lesser 320MB GTS versions....

Considering 3DMark is basically a GRAPHICS benchmark, your comparison is completely invalid unless you use the same graphics and OS setups for the comparisons. If we were talking Intel CPUs winning here in an unequal setup people in this forum would be SCREAMING.

Keep things on the up and up or please don't post the scores as a comparison (just stand-alone).

[railmeat]

Hi I also had the 6400+BE before I installed my Phenom, and scored 12806, 6400+ @ 3520MHz , 2 x 8800GTS 320MB, BIOS Flash OC'd @ 612/900.

So thats 2 AMD's outperforming a faster clocked Intel CPU, though to be fair, I did have SLI..... though they were the far lesser 320MB GTS versions....

dude i have a 6600 at 3.6 24\7 and a BONE STOCK gtx.your have 2 gts,s overclocked and HIGHLY DOUBT its 24\7 game stable .im a realist and wont overclock my cpu parts if there not 24\7 stable for gaming.but like most ppl i see they overclock there stuff for a quickie 2min run of 06 and claim thats the holy grail vs 24\7 playable setup.

i see so many ppl with 6600,s in there sigs at 3.96ghz+ for like 30 seconds of benching and then u ask that same person were is it at 24\7 game stable and its a whole different story then,back to reality.:shrug: i could care less how far my gtx overclocks for a 3dmark06 run to impress others:shakes: i like to see ppl show me what they can run daily,not in a few minutes of a 24hr day.whats the point in that?my 6600 can wack 3.96 also but 3.6 is totally stable so its in my sig.i would never put 3.96ghz in my sig if its not running that speed daily.

back on topic and reality.i really would love to see someone be realistic and post some 24\7 clocks on ANY phenom.dice and ln2 need not apply being you cant play crysis for hours on that crap.good air\phase\water are realistic.i dont wanna impress anyone here,i just wanna find a new quadcore cpu that can yield 24\7 clocks very well and nothing more for these newer games that are out now.

[Nazu]

I agree with railmeat. No point using using the high clocks if they're just for show. My former E6600 ran 3.7GHz 24/7 and that was tested 14h Orthos stable, played hours of KotOR2 with those clocks and all daily stuff was ok on those clocks. Now it's this Q6600 and 3.6GHz and same thing. I won't allow the oc if it's not stable to work with. With all cpu's I aim for the maximum 24/7 stable overclock and not killer clocks for showing off :)

[railmeat]

I agree with railmeat. No point using using the high clocks if they're just for show. My former E6600 ran 3.7GHz 24/7 and that was tested 14h Orthos stable, played hours of KotOR2 with those clocks and all daily stuff was ok on those clocks. Now it's this Q6600 and 3.6GHz and same thing. I won't allow the oc if it's not stable to work with. With all cpu's I aim for the maximum 24/7 stable overclock and not killer clocks for showing off :)

ya weird me,i actually use my computer to play games on,not watch pi runs or loop 3dmarks 24\7,thats depressing.without stabilty pcs are useless:shrug: how can i enjoy my games on newer chips if there ready to explode in my pc at any given time?

[v0dka]

So they clocked it to 3Ghz on stock volts, at least stable enough for a 3d06 run? That's not bad at all. Not as far as Core, but very good for these early CPU's. :)

[nemrod]

I went through a little of it, but as far as I got it looked like they just copied what THG had in their review.

Thg was sold few years ago to bestofmicro... Presence PC belong to bestofmicro... And if you've just opened your eyes... You have a big header:
http://img.presence-pc.com/v3/header.jpg

:shrug:

[railmeat]

I agree with railmeat. No point using using the high clocks if they're just for show. My former E6600 ran 3.7GHz 24/7 and that was tested 14h Orthos stable, played hours of KotOR2 with those clocks and all daily stuff was ok on those clocks. Now it's this Q6600 and 3.6GHz and same thing. I won't allow the oc if it's not stable to work with. With all cpu's I aim for the maximum 24/7 stable overclock and not killer clocks for showing off :)


the numbers dont lie, %87 of ppl HERE agreed in this forum that stabilty is needed for ppl who use there pcs 24\7 with hi overclocks for gaming etc.this equated to 93ppl for stabilty vs 23 ppl vs quickie numbers that are not even close to stable to use for anything.somebody please post some nice killer rock solid phenom clocks for the masses.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160979