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Bravo
07-09-2002, 05:59 PM
Hi guys.
I have been recently bragging about how easily it would be to score over 12k with my system (below), but im having alot of problems.
- KX7-333R, Vturbo PCB (Mem/Vcore 7+10 pin attachments)
- Samsung PC-2700 256mb Single Sided (week 4 CB3)
- Abit Ti4200 64mb Siluro, DVI/TV/CRT Output (im not sure if this is standard, but i will mention it :D)
- XP1700 AGOIA '9' week 16 @ 1920 - 2050 (problem number 1)
- Windows XP (services disabled, no Via 4 in 1's installed, 29.42 Dets).
Questions:
1. My system is a bit picky. When i first recieved this mainboard, i was able to push my system over 2000mhz with XP and Windows 98. For some reason, i am unable to do so now, even with a cooler ambient temperature, and a chilled coolant supply. The Vcore is set between 2.00v and 2.15v, i have found it makes zero difference to how far i can now push my processor. I am taken back and its ability to no longer perform at speeds i had it at with this card (and there in lays the problem). My samsung is good for 205mhz FSB, and using a 9.5x multiplier, i am able to bench between 1900 - 1950 using a 9.5x multiplier, 1.98 Vcore, and a FSB of 200 - 205. I've cooled my mosfets, and nothing seems to be overheating (windows will lock up when it decides it wants to boot, or it simply wont boot at all after the BIOS screen).
Any ideas? Anybody else had problems like these?
2. My graphics card. Just fishing for suggestions here, the most i've been able to push this card with stock cooling (block on the way, but im an impatient bastard :() is 310/635. using the 29.42 dets, Windows XP services disabled, and a freshly formatted HDD yields anywhere from 11,500 to 12,100. Wanted to know if there is any software updates or patches i could install to increase my score, or increase stability at a higher FSB or CPU speed.
3. Finally, i am interested to hear of other Siluro owners, what score they are getting (AMD system preferred), and what clock speeds they can push their cards to.
Thanks :(
OPPAINTER
07-09-2002, 06:03 PM
You should use W2k to increase your score.
OPP
Bravo
07-09-2002, 06:04 PM
As has been suggest to me a great many, many times, with services disabled on XP, the difference is well within a margin of error.
The only reason i'd consider going to windows 2k is for the stability, but im not having any stability problems.
What GFX card did you upgrade from? I remember when I was running 1.85GHz and a G2 it only took 1.9v to stabilize.....now w/ the G4 it takes 1.95 to do 1.85GHz stable.....these G4's must be power hungry.
Bravo
07-09-2002, 06:14 PM
I've got an Antec 550watt PSU. Could power be the problem?
Btw, i upgraded from a GF2 MX/Ultra.
I've got an Antec 400W w/ the rails tweaked and it still takes .05 to .1v more to stabilize the same CPU frequencies than it did w/ my G2. Mind you, I don't have a ton of components either....this 400w is plenty of power.
I sort off had the same problem with a 1GHz AVIA Y I had.
When I first had it, I could clock it to about 1530 without a prob, but like a week or so later, it became all unstable and I had to throttle down, to eventually settle on 1360. And even frying it with 2.2V didn't help, everything beyond 1360 was a no go from then on.
I know it's not an answer or not even an explanation or so, but just to say that it happens to more people :)
I really hate this crappy duron with that TNT2 btw, I want my machine back :(
Bravo
07-09-2002, 06:42 PM
Well, my system is picky. Leaving the system off overnight, and cold booting to 10x200, will boot into XP, and stall in lobby. If i dont benchmark in 3DMark, i get about 15 minutes before a hardlock.
Svenn
07-09-2002, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by Majestik
As has been suggest to me a great many, many times, with services disabled on XP, the difference is well within a margin of error.
The only reason i'd consider going to windows 2k is for the stability, but im not having any stability problems.
What services and how do I disable them? I haven't messed with XP much since I've had it, too busy with other stuff.
Bravo
07-10-2002, 12:37 AM
Msconfig -> Services -> Disable all
Then, Reclick DHCP, DNS, TCP/IP Helper, Net Logon.
Malecky
07-10-2002, 12:59 AM
Just restore the non optimized defs in bios and set what you have to set again. this always worked on my KR7.
Svenn
07-10-2002, 08:32 AM
I had no performance increase with services disabled...
MrIcee
07-10-2002, 10:26 AM
Majestik:)
OPP is 100% correct about 2000. I'm a testament to the fact..as OPP converted me. I benched XP and 98 previously. 98 was always faster than XP with an AMD system...even with services disabled. Switching to Windows 2000, DX8.1, 4.37 4 in 1's(2000 is fastest with the 4.05c AGP driver in 4.37), and the 29.40's..I went from 14,600ish to 15,001 with NO other changes. Currently the 29.60 drivers are supposed to be the fastest..but I haven't had a system with KX7 installed to try them yet.
You didn't mention your memory voltage...my stick of PC2700 Samsung thrives on 3.22v
Ok..and now for Icee's fix of the day for random lockups in 3Dmark,
insert this into WPCrset : B0=07
It has alleviated for me hard locks I was experiencing in the Dragon and Nature games. Give it a try and see if it helps.
As far as tweaking your card....give Rivatuner a try..you can get it at www,guru3d.com.:)
This performance degradation problem is something I'm experiencing too with the KX7. My second one was great at first...then the amount I was able to overclock kept dropping. I don't have an answer...it could be a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty CPU as OPP suggested to me....but usually they overclock better with age instead of worse.
Randi:D
Malecky
07-10-2002, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by MrIcee
Majestik:)
OPP is 100% correct about 2000. I'm a testament to the fact..as OPP converted me. I benched XP and 98 previously. 98 was always faster than XP with an AMD system...even with services disabled. Switching to Windows 2000, DX8.1, 4.37 4 in 1's(2000 is fastest with the 4.05c AGP driver in 4.37), and the 29.40's..I went from 14,600ish to 15,001 with NO other changes. Currently the 29.60 drivers are supposed to be the fastest..but I haven't had a system with KX7 installed to try them yet.
You didn't mention your memory voltage...my stick of PC2700 Samsung thrives on 3.22v
Ok..and now for Icee's fix of the day for random lockups in 3Dmark,
insert this into WPCrset : B0=07
It has alleviated for me hard locks I was experiencing in the Dragon and Nature games. Give it a try and see if it helps.
As far as tweaking your card....give Rivatuner a try..you can get it at www,guru3d.com.:)
This performance degradation problem is something I'm experiencing too with the KX7. My second one was great at first...then the amount I was able to overclock kept dropping. I don't have an answer...it could be a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty CPU as OPP suggested to me....but usually they overclock better with age instead of worse.
Randi:D
Hey randi please do what I said sooner that the restore defoults realy helps... I dont know why but the Softmenu goes kuku from time to time. I have lost 200mhz on that issue after loading of settings it was all back to normal, and do not mistake me its not in some other setiing that I have.... how can I say missused.
It worked for me.... the same issue apeird while FSB seeking.
Bravo
07-10-2002, 04:30 PM
Will pull the system apart now (outside of the case for better temps), and install 2k.
I guess that settles it. I'll reflash the BIOS, install at default, and install 2k.
Install order?
1. Win2k
2. 4.37s
3. directx 8
4. 29.42s
5. rivatuner
suggest anything else?
Bravo
07-10-2002, 04:32 PM
oh btw, Memory voltage is 2.89v @ 2.75v. I can adjust it to 3.3v, but im not comfortable doing so (and notice a decrease when overclocking via the FSB when using above 2.89v).
Bravo
07-10-2002, 04:37 PM
Would lapping the GPU die help with the stock cooler? Its all i have atm.
Bravo
07-10-2002, 07:41 PM
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3910713
.....610/635 @ 10x200 :(
pooor bravo:(
:D :D :smileysex
Bravo
07-10-2002, 08:16 PM
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3910876
need to change to 2k damn it.
What's wrong with that score? You are coming along nicely! Tweak tweak tweak! ;)
Bravo
07-11-2002, 08:01 AM
Siluro is scrambled. AS3 got under the ram legs, and its shorting the memory. I can only hope i havent damaged it permanently.
Ahhh....yes, def. use AA and not AS3 on memory chips!
Bravo
07-11-2002, 08:33 AM
is there a possibility i've fried the memory? I wouldnt think so (going on shorting my MX and GTS previously).
have to give it a good rub down.
Bravo
07-11-2002, 10:26 AM
thats not comforting :/
Bravo
07-12-2002, 04:57 AM
Bump.
Anybody know how to clean AS off the PCB?
it looks like i got all of it, but the card doesnt work :(
Man.....that sux. I've always used Isopropyl Alcohol to clean off AS3. I hope ya didn't short out one of these beauty Abits :)
O well, could be worse.....could be a 4600.
Malecky
07-12-2002, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Majestik
Bump.
Anybody know how to clean AS off the PCB?
it looks like i got all of it, but the card doesnt work :(
I used alkohol for AS2 but AS3 does not conduct elektric -city;)
Still doesnt work huh....
Malecky
07-12-2002, 05:17 AM
Cmon boyz AS3 does not conduct electricity!!!
Only in special conditions....high presure and :banana::banana::banana::banana: like that...
Bravo
07-12-2002, 05:32 AM
...tell that to my Siluro. I've cleaned off every track, and its still shorting somewhere :(
Originally posted by Malecky
Cmon boyz AS3 does not conduct electricity!!!
It doesn't? Where can I find more info on this? I was told to use AA on ram chips cuz AS3 was conductive. :)
I tested AS3 on the Multimeter... still conducts... Artic Alumina doesn't.
AA is the only thing I put near my cards now... Temps are within 2-3c anyway...
Malecky
07-12-2002, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by [N8]
It doesn't? Where can I find more info on this? I was told to use AA on ram chips cuz AS3 was conductive. :)
Hey...put some on the table and use a multimeter...youlll see.
Still sorry for your Ti4200 but it cant be the AS3
Malecky
07-12-2002, 05:48 AM
Originally posted by KAIN
I tested AS3 on the Multimeter... still conducts... Artic Alumina doesn't.
AA is the only thing I put near my cards now... Temps are within 2-3c anyway...
What??
Dunno what do you guys have?????
w8 a sek and I will post the data!
Malecky
07-12-2002, 05:53 AM
Negligible electrical conductivity.
Arctic Silver 3 was formulated to conduct heat, not electricity. It is only electrically conductive in a thin layer under extreme compression.
(While much safer than electrically conductive silver and copper greases, Arctic Silver 3 should be kept away from electrical traces, pins, and leads. The compound is slightly capacitive and could potentially cause problems if it bridged two close-proximity electrical paths.)
http://www.arcticsilver.com/as3.htm
Mine does not conduct.... I bet my GFX card on it...
Hehe.....that is saying that it shouldn't conduct....but its not saying it won't.
What ever they say... it is certainly conductive enough it connect wire a 2 ends of a patch and flow current through...
They say keep it away from pins... I know from testing it is conductive... it wasn't a perfect connection but it still flowed.
Malecky
07-12-2002, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by KAIN
What ever they say... it is certainly conductive enough it connect wire a 2 ends of a patch and flow current through...
They say keep it away from pins... I know from testing it is conductive... it wasn't a perfect connection but it still flowed.
Hm... believe me or dont but I think they changed that statement a tad bit from the first time I've read it...
Well...dunno....
I believe you... But I have tested 4 maybe 5 tubes of AS3 of the past few months and all tested about the same within 0.5%. All conducted, all would damage cards.
Bravo
07-12-2002, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by KAIN
I believe you... But I have tested 4 maybe 5 tubes of AS3 of the past few months and all tested about the same within 0.5%. All conducted, all would damage cards.
The AS i have here isnt conductive, yet it still managed to destroy my card.
You've tested it? is it Artic Silver or is it Artic Alumina?
Bravo
07-12-2002, 11:21 AM
its AS. It reads open circuit. that said, i smeared a small amount on my GTS and it did nothing to the ram legs? :confused:
Icee has suggested i take a toothbrush to it with some warm water. I believe i will.